We need this to keep our track, racing, and rally options open to all residents of Hawaii. Dumb ass protestors...

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Sample Email:

Subject: Please support Hawaii Superferry

Dear Legislator:

I support a special session of the Hawaii State Legislature to identify a solution that would enable Hawaii Superferry to continue operation while the environmental assessment is being conducted.

The people of Hawaii want interisland transportation choices. Hawaii Superferry is a transportation alternative that is wanted and needed by residents and businesses of Hawaii and will bring many benefits to our state.

Prompt action is needed to save this transportation option and protect Hawaii’s business climate.

Mahalo,

Dumb ass protestors...



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Sent.

i came in here expecting PCP to have already chopped gary's head onto tinkerbell, capitioning it "support hawaii's superfairy"...alas, i think pat wants to live...

Sent that E mail last night...I must be on the superferry spam list.

i came in here expecting PCP to have already chopped gary's head onto tinkerbell, capitioning it "support hawaii's superfairy"...alas, i think pat wants to live...

:rofl: :rofl:

I don't think he'd want Team Small Wienie to show up at his door :lol :lol

I think we should stop all inter-island barge and cruise ship traffic until they compete an EIS. When the eco-weenies on Kauai and Maui start paying $5.00 for a roll of toilet paper then we''l have our ferry.

I think we should stop all inter-island barge and cruise ship traffic until they compete an EIS. When the eco-weenies on Kauai and Maui start paying $5.00 for a roll of toilet paper then we''l have our ferry.

Talk about dumb asses, if they stop the SuperFerry then stop all barges and cruise ships from entering into the harbor. I bet they never did any EIS on the other ships.

Now the Friggin GreenPeace save the whale people are concerned that the SuperFerry will run over whales. If it ain't one thing it is another. IDIOTS...

Jeff if you and Woody come and workout with me you both will be on TEAM SMALL WEENIE :confused :D :lol, but no matter the size it is how you use it. :eek: :)

i came in here expecting PCP to have already chopped gary's head onto tinkerbell, capitioning it "support hawaii's superfairy"...alas, i think pat wants to live...

bwahahaha!

yeah, you're right on the second part. :stickoutt

I think we should stop all inter-island barge and cruise ship traffic until they compete an EIS. When the eco-weenies on Kauai and Maui start paying $5.00 for a roll of toilet paper then we''l have our ferry.

They'll have to bring their cars to Oahu to get gas and take a dump while they're here.

oh, wait, they don't have cars and only fart tofu gasses, hence no need for toilet paper.

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+100000 :buttrock

I sent emails to the senator and representative of my district.

At this site they also have a link where you can find your specific rep and senator:
http://www.hawaiisuperferry.com/support/

if the Super Ferry goes and Hawaiian Airlines manages to get rid of go!, you can expect inter-island fares to be at least where they were a few years ago, if not higher. It will be just as cheap to go to Las Vegas as it is to go to Kahului. At least the xenophobes on the Maui and Kauai won't have any folks from the other islands bothering them. Or spending money in their hotels. Or restaurants. Or tourist attractions...

It will be just as cheap to go to Las Vegas as it is to go to Kahului.

Let's all go to Vegas! :rolleyes

:rofl: :rofl:

I don't think he'd want Team Small Wienie to show up at his door :lol :lol

:lol:lol:lol:lol

:rofl: :rofl:

I don't think he'd want Team Small Wienie to show up at his door :lol :lol


Jeff, you can always come down and workout with me and meet the members of Team Small Wienie, but then you might not have a wienie :lol:lol:lol

Very Sad Day as the SuperFerry had to release all of it's employees. So much for the environmental people on the outer islands whose actions have cost the livelyhood of about 250 people. IDIOTS.

Seems the SuperFerry is getting ready to pull out of the islands.

So much for the mental people on the outer islands...

That phrase can be applied to so much.

LA Times coverage. Makes Kauaians look real bad.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/12/br/br0653492178.html

LA Times coverage. Makes Kauaians look real bad.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/12/br/br0653492178.html


This is almost as good as the Waikele F'n haole beating...


Chock another one up for the Mokes & Lepos:buttrock

LA Times coverage. Makes Kauaians look real bad.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/12/br/br0653492178.html

Hey Brian, can you be specific? I read the piece and don't see what you're seeing.

Some of the comments in this thread make Oahuians look real bad. :nono

Hey Brian, can you be specific? I read the piece and don't see what you're seeing.

Some of the comments in this thread make Oahuians look real bad. :nono

Here you go.

The woman in the sun hat wants to crack someone in the jaw. It's been a bad day. Actually, for Kaiulani Huff, it's been a bad few decades.

......

'JUST COOL IT'

At the forefront of that protest was Huff, her face covered in war paint, like her Polynesian ancestors going into battle.

This afternoon, she drives around the island's north shore in bumper-to-bumper traffic and ends up in another confrontation. She stops her pickup at what used to be a favorite secluded spot, now part of Ha'ena Beach Park. The lot overflows with cars and the beach swarms with people she doesn't know. At one end, Huff spots an old-timer selling baskets made of coconut leaves. She pulls over to visit.

Within seconds, a couple, cameras dangling, slip into their rental car. The driver backs up, but Huff's truck is blocking the way. The driver tells Huff to move her truck.

"Just cool it, brah," Huff tells him. "This isn't New York. This is Kaua'i. We'll be leaving in a few."

The driver glares at Huff.

When Huff was younger and rowdier, she might have turned on the impatient driver. Instead she tells herself to breathe. She buys three baskets, moves her truck. The couple speeds off.

That's it? I don't see those viewpoints as being "bad".... clearly, it's a matter of perspective.

That's it? I don't see those viewpoints as being "bad".... clearly, it's a matter of perspective.If I were on the mainland reading that I'd wonder if all the people were like Huff. I mean she does seem on the erratic/violent side.

What was printed makes her sound frustrated to me.

I'm bothered more by the comments below, found in this thread than what the Kauai resident was reported as saying.

'Dumb ass protestors..'

'Talk about dumb asses'

'When the eco-weenies on Kauai and Maui start paying $5.00 for a roll of toilet paper then we''l have our ferry.'

'If it ain't one thing it is another. IDIOTS...'

I got to ask... what's the great interest in a five hour trip to Maui, Kauai since we're dumb ass eco-weenie protesters? LOL

Anyway, I do not understand the business model for the SF. 90 million dollars per boat, it's going to take decades to pay off. Figure round trip, one car and driver is $335 plus operating costs... I don't see local demand being able to support it.

Wonder how long is that government guaranteed loan is good for?

I'm not sure of their business model, either. However, I believe a big part of it was interisland transport of goods, which would take away from our interisland shippers like Young Brothers, Hawaiian Air and Aloha Air. Their model was based upon the non-competitive airline industry a few years ago. When go! entered the market, it really messed up their fee structure. As for myself, I would have loved to drive my car on another island via ferry.

As for myself, I would have loved to drive my car on another island via ferry.

road to hana...on r-comps...mmmmmmmmmmm...

I wish I had a congressman to send that email too, I am not a citizen of Hawaii, just a temporary resident. I support the super ferry, but I guess I am just the guy they hate to see over there in Kaua'i, oh well.

I wish I had a congressman to send that email too, I am not a citizen of Hawaii, just a temporary resident. I support the super ferry, but I guess I am just the guy they hate to see over there in Kaua'i, oh well.

Seems the people from Kauai hate everyone who is not from Kauai. What is funny is that most of the people who are protesting are not natives from Kauai.

We should isolate the island and see how they can survive with no economy.

When go! entered the market, it really messed up their fee structure.

This is the same sort of thing that went down when Ryan Air launched itself in Europe. They stepped into a well coordinated, and controled, market and shattered everyone elses business model. Really made the traditional players take note and have to react in a way that they did not want to, which was reducing their seriously over-inflated fares for a service they were making over 500% profit on.

As for myself, I would have loved to drive my car on another island via ferry.

And I would love to get the Ducati over to any of the other islands!

We should isolate the island and see how they can survive with no economy.

All we really need to do is get Cal to talk to his mates and start a blockade. Cal, can you get on this please?

Seems the people from Kauai hate everyone who is not from Kauai. What is funny is that most of the people who are protesting are not natives from Kauai.

We should isolate the island and see how they can survive with no economy.

Maui too

At least the xenophobes on the Maui and Kauai won't have any folks from the other islands bothering them. Or spending money in their hotels. Or restaurants. Or tourist attractions...
...or touching their drugs:
Kauai - Largest marijuana farm ever prosecuted (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/04/br/br1984650237.html)
Kauai - Meth importation ring busted (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=6291)
:rolleyes They act so concerned about drugs coming in from Honolulu. Maybe they should look in the mirror first. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I'm not sure of their business model, either. However, I believe a big part of it was interisland transport of goods, which would take away from our interisland shippers like Young Brothers, Hawaiian Air and Aloha Air.

If it's interisland freight, the fees seem unrealistic. It's not my field of expertise, but I can't see a Kula farmer paying those rates to get goods to Oahu. It's not like there is an overabundance of fresh produce on island as it is.

If the SF starts operation, I would likely check it out by taking a car. Although, for short trips without a car, a flight is faster and cheaper.

Admittedly, not as convenient, we already have the option via Young Brothers to get a car to an outer island. YB will get a 3200 lb car back and forth for ~$237.

If it's interisland freight, the fees seem unrealistic. It's not my field of expertise, but I can't see a Kula farmer paying those rates to get goods to Oahu. It's not like there is an overabundance of fresh produce on island as it is.

If the SF starts operation, I would likely check it out by taking a car. Although, for short trips without a car, a flight is faster and cheaper.

Admittedly, not as convenient, we already have the option via Young Brothers to get a car to an outer island. YB will get a 3200 lb car back and forth for ~$237.

Some of the premium vegetable guys prefer that their veges stay refrigerated during shipment. Aloha and Hawaiian do not refrigerate the veges and it could be out on the tarmac for a while. I do know Nalo Farms would like to ship their produce in their own refrigerated trucks.

CORRECT-O-MUNDO

If it's interisland freight, the fees seem unrealistic. It's not my field of expertise, but I can't see a Kula farmer paying those rates to get goods to Oahu. It's not like there is an overabundance of fresh produce on island as it is.

If the SF starts operation, I would likely check it out by taking a car. Although, for short trips without a car, a flight is faster and cheaper.

Admittedly, not as convenient, we already have the option via Young Brothers to get a car to an outer island. YB will get a 3200 lb car back and forth for ~$237.

The Superferry is not for the tourist, over-nighter or the day trip surfer, fisherman, rock picker, opihi raper @ 2 bills for a trip.

The superferry' market would only appeal to the local friends and family for extended stays, small business transporting work crews, material and tools for a week of work, and open a venue for island farmers to transport produce to wider markets.

It's sad that so many people have been spun by the biased media and big business behind this...now our douche bag politicians will spend more millions on pointing fingers, hiding behind the "law" and playing party politics to avoid making a decision.

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Admittedly, not as convenient, we already have the option via Young Brothers to get a car to an outer island. YB will get a 3200 lb car back and forth for ~$237.

YB also has a huge PITA factor, as well as time needed prior/post sailing.

In terms of air cargo; the ferry's scheduled departure times don't make much sense for some of the veggie/flower growers, who harvest/pack during the workday and deliver the cargo in the evening for transport at night, and it is in the market the next day. They'd have to add at least 18+ hours to the shipment time if they wanted to load on the ferry, or harvest at night.

Not such a big issue for those folks dealing in non-perishables such as Imu Cooking Rocks, which admittedly don't fit the air cargo model very well and are far easier to transport in the back of a pickup. :stickoutt

Interesting discussion, though, and very interesting to see what impact folks think it'll have on various industries' shipping needs.

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My idea; turn it into a floating casino that can go out 12+ miles for some gambling and stripper shows. :buttrock

Or support: http://www.hawaiisuperferryfriends.com/main/petition

(Disclaimer: No connection with them)

My idea; turn it into a floating casino that can go out 12+ miles for some gambling and stripper shows. :buttrock

Don't forget the hookers

some things I thought interesting vs. Oahu on my Maui trip:

no Japanese tourists, at least I barely saw any in the hotel, on the west side, Lahaina even. I felt like a minority LOL! But people were very nice.

Latina cleaning staff and friends/family. makes sense to me. find a niche and fill it (the "rich" and those who truly need the income will do exactly that to get the jobs done). If the trend continues en masse they will take over the market completely.

Nicer roads than we have! Smooth pavement, much more extensive slide abatement, numerous porta potties beachside. But if I lived there I'd still favor the quiet, remote craziness that is 340. On a SuperMoto :)

I sure would've loved to take my truck over on the SF with my gear and luggage and was planning on it! :( Someday maybe.

This is an article from a small, Maui, independent paper, the Haleakala Times. http://www.haleakalatimes.com

I see some excellent points made. Please read in total. -Scott

.......

Ok, we’ve heard the arguments. Either the Superferry is an example of how unfriendly Hawai‘i is towards business, or a cautionary tale for those who skirt environmental regulations, depending on your perspective. Both sides of this cultural and environmental divide are outraged. But where do we go from here? What are the lessons from this ongoing disaster?

For Government: Yes should mean yes, no should mean no.
The Superferry was told by one part of the government (the Transportation Department) that an Environmental Assessment wasn’t required, and then another part of the government (The Supreme Court) told them to do it. They’re right in saying that this situation is ridiculous and that it shows how complicated and difficult Hawaii's process is. I've heard smart legal arguments on both sides, but the way to prevent a mess like this in the future is to have the legislature clarify who has the final authority to decide issues like this.

For Developers: Do the Environmental Assessment if you have any doubt at all.
There are several reasons to just go ahead and do an Environmental Review for a major project. First, it’s the right thing to do, because it’s often the only opportunity for the public’s voice to be heard about important projects. Second, the law usually requires it. And even if you can construct a legal case that it’s not required, you are going to end up fighting in court, which will make people angry and delay the project anyway. Finally, the Environmental Review process is not an approval thing––it’s a disclosure thing––which means that when the environmental disclosure is complete, the project goes forward. That's a lot easier and more civil than fighting in court and in the harbor.

For Oahu People: Neighbor Islanders are sick of being ignored.
Many people who live on neighbor islands feel that critical choices made in Honolulu get forced on them. This project is perceived as the most recent in a long line of decisions that are made by government and business powerbrokers that might not be able to find Ulupalukua on a map. Oahu folks should remember that each island matters, and that the concerns of neighbor islanders are legitimate and different.

For Environmentalists: The Superferry is not the main point.
What the anti-Superferry folks are most angry about is that they are overwhelmed by development without infrastructure and that their rural way of life is being undermined. The Superferry has become a symbol for everything that makes them mad. To be fair, there are serious environmental concerns about this project, such as invasive species and traffic, but the biggest quality of life issues are subdivisions without infrastucture, water, or proper planning, and the lack of affordable housing. And in that context, the Superferry is not the main bad guy. My suggestion––pay very close attention to the Land Use Commission, the Water Commission, and the County Councils, because while we fight over this boat, our islands get Los Angelized.

For All of Us: Respect matters.
If everyone had followed not only the letter but the spirit of the law––if the Transportation Department had required the EA, if the Superferry hadn’t forced a confrontation with their five-dollar fares, if none of the protesters had acted disorderly (i.e. banged on people’s cars and yelled obscenities at the governor), then this wouldn’t be as ugly and divisive as it is right now. A little mutual respect could go a long way, and it's not too late.

Brian Schatz

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Good article. there's always three sides to the coin.

If the environmentalists cared about "the State, the environment and inter-island travel/commerce":

They'd make all the local airlines fly advanced turbo prop aircraft.
There's no reason to fly jets with the segment lengths like we have here in HI. Longest one is HNL-Hilo, (ok, maybe Kauai-Kona), and an advanced pressurized turbo prop does the trip virtually as fast, and with way less CO emissions.
They'd make YB use lighters (mini cargo ships with cranes) and not inefficient barges. (Any barge trip with less than 3 barges behind a tug is a complete waste of time and fuel)
They'd have the Governor ban those styro plate lunch boxes.
They'd lobby for new homes to have Solar (hotwater or PV) and water catchment to supplement garden irrigation/toilet flushing needs as a code requirement.
ban future golf course development, unless it is surrounded by a race track.That's just a short list of issues that are greater than the stinkin' ferry, but because they don't hit whales, or carry coqui frogs, aren't really on the radar.

While they're at it, they can ban bums from buses. Man are there some stinky people on the bus. Now there's a cause.

:)

They're not environmentalists. They are activists who are playing the environmental card. Activism first. The "environment" is just a convenient poster child. :shifty

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What was printed makes her sound frustrated to me.

I'm bothered more by the comments below, found in this thread than what the Kauai resident was reported as saying.

'Dumb ass protestors..'

'Talk about dumb asses'

'When the eco-weenies on Kauai and Maui start paying $5.00 for a roll of toilet paper then we''l have our ferry.'

'If it ain't one thing it is another. IDIOTS...'

I got to ask... what's the great interest in a five hour trip to Maui, Kauai since we're dumb ass eco-weenie protesters? LOL

Anyway, I do not understand the business model for the SF. 90 million dollars per boat, it's going to take decades to pay off. Figure round trip, one car and driver is $335 plus operating costs... I don't see local demand being able to support it.

Wonder how long is that government guaranteed loan is good for?
I agree that that woman, Huff, was probably pretty frustrated about the tourists telling her (as oposed to asking?) to move her truck. But if you read about how the protestors acted at a forum Gov. Lingle held on Kauai a month ago, even Lingle was shocked at how coarse the crowd was.

I don't know what the SF's bizplan/model is, but they probably didn't factor in losing $600K/wk from being idle as part of their model.

But as far as mainland/int'l perception, this really doesn't fare well for Hawaii at all. I mean, doesn't it take like 5-10 years for a case to be heard by the Hawaii Supreme Court? Then, the court just jumps in and rules in like a few hours? Just when did that court ever act that fast on anything?

I think the Chamber of Commerce (of which I'm a member) says it best when they say that this sends a chilling message to potential investors in that the rules of the game can be changed mid-way (like the courts overruling the Dept. of Trans.'s assurances, etc.).

And yeah, I don't recall any EIS being done on the Young Bros/Horizon Lines barges, or even go! Airlines' entry into the Hawaii market. Why doesn't Judge Cardoza halt all shipping/airline service to Maui until a 1-2-yr EIS can be done?

Mpunk,

Being that you quoted a message of mine, followed by a list of questions, should I assume you are posing those questions to me?

If so... I'm not the answer man. Check with the unfriendly to business state/county government we have. Mixed signals were sent to the SF people.

Still, existing law and regs should be followed.