RVAE34
10-09-2007, 08:13 PM
The toe on my car is way too negative. What is the best solution? I talked to Bavauto and they said there kit would work, but it is super expensive for the bushings alone, much less the time and labor for install.
Any other possibilities???
Jcbe34
10-09-2007, 08:14 PM
You mean camber? Kmac makes a kit, I have it but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. My camber is retarded in the rear and my car isn't even as low as yours
RVAE34
10-09-2007, 08:29 PM
You would think so, but....... No. I mean toe. Camber is perfect. They basically said that both rear tires were aiming into the car front to back not top to bottom
Bavauto said there kit adjust toe as well.
atl530i
10-09-2007, 09:21 PM
Got any close ups of the wheels from the side? I'm curious to how bad it is.
Grim Reaper
10-09-2007, 11:55 PM
If you are still planning on doing the major power upgrade.... just bite the bullet and install the rear subframe from an M5 which has adjustable toe. :thumbup:
attack eagle
10-10-2007, 12:40 AM
yeah, major power = m5 subframe or dinan subframe.
Strange that you have a problem with excessive negative camber.
As the suspension compresses or is lowered the toe goes POSITIVE, not more negative. Could is be residual damage from the crash that was not addressed? what exactly ARE the numbers???
Lower the car more :)
RVAE34
10-10-2007, 12:09 PM
My indy has never heard about toe adjustment in M5 sub-bushings.
He said toe is out and needs to be put back in.
Needs + 9/32" on left and needs +3/8" toe on the right
fkong777
10-10-2007, 01:00 PM
I think Camber and Toe goes hand in hand in suspension geometry.
The only part I see in the rear suspension that is somewhat adjustable is
Part # 33 32 9 058 824 eccentric Trailing arm bushings with offset center hole allow for up to 1/2 degree rear camber adjustment. 4 required per car.
I thought there was different Pitman arm (dogbones) that correct toe issues but I cannot find them in realoem.com
lowell
10-10-2007, 01:05 PM
I'd say that one of two things are happening: 1) a trailing arm is bent (happens more often than you'd think), or 2) the stock bushings are bad (and replacing the originals with the regular parts may fix the problem). One thing to remember about the eccentrics (which are essentially what BavAuto and Ireland sell as adjustable -- DIFFERENT from the kmac kit) is that they have to be pressed in to be set...meaning that if it isn't pressed in for the correct adjustment the first time around, it has to come out and be reinstalled. Lots of work.
AndrewH
10-10-2007, 03:23 PM
I'd say that one of two things are happening: 1) a trailing arm is bent (happens more often than you'd think), or 2) the stock bushings are bad (and replacing the originals with the regular parts may fix the problem). One thing to remember about the eccentrics (which are essentially what BavAuto and Ireland sell as adjustable -- DIFFERENT from the kmac kit) is that they have to be pressed in to be set...meaning that if it isn't pressed in for the correct adjustment the first time around, it has to come out and be reinstalled. Lots of work.
Well there you go, maybe your trailing arm is bent from your accident.
attack eagle
10-10-2007, 03:26 PM
My indy has never heard about toe adjustment in M5 sub-bushings.
He said toe is out and needs to be put back in.
Needs + 9/32" on left and needs +3/8" toe on the right
those "measurements' are useless. BMW specs are in degrees
"needs x" doesn't say what it is at now, do you have the actual measurements in degrees?.
the adjustment would result from replacing (w/m5) or modifying (via dinan) the subframe. I couldn't find anyone with the balls to work on mine locally.
I think it is crash damage
RVAE34
10-10-2007, 07:11 PM
Great comments fellas!!! I am taking my car to the frame shop to get them to look at all the components. This forum is great!
I am sure it can be fixed. The car drives perfect. Like new. Can't wait to see what it's like when the toe is correct. Especially with new bushings. I will have to wait a month or so before it's in the budget