After searching the many posts I came out no better then when I started. So I will just ask the question. Is Logic 7 worth the $1200?

Some background. My wife has an 04' 325xi with a shitty standard stereo. I have a 06' X3 with the upgraded DSP stereo. My wifes stereo sounds horrible compared to mine.

We are buying an 08' 328xi to replace her old one. What we can't decide on is the stereo in her car.

What is the different between the stock system and the logic 7 other than the processor.

Can someone please dummy it down and explain what comes with the standard system, and then what comes with the Logic 7 system?

Personal reviews will also help. Thanks.

not much help here but the logic 7 in my 330 is hands down the best sounding car audio system I've ever heard.

It's the dog's bollocks.

YES.
That is all that needs to be said!

Best stereo i,ve ever heard that came standard or as an option on a new car.13 speakers with enough power to make them rock,(no pun intended).

the bass is somewhat lacking but overall it is top notch. i am thinking about getting a small sub put in the trunk.

10 out of 10 for me, very impressive. The sound system is something passengers comment on about the car, they even ask if I have done anything to improve it.

I have had aftermarket systems (full components, custom built in sub boxes, the whole works) in all of my cars I have ever owned(my 530i even has one) and I can honestly say I don't feel the need to put one in in my 335i with logic 7. There is plenty of bass, probably as much as you will ever want/need unless you really feel the need to rattle others' windows. If you don't think there is enough bass, you probably just need to play with the EQ settings a little bit.

I listen pretty much exclusively to Hip Hop/Rap, and it hits plenty hard, as hard as my 2 10's did in my last car. Just take some time and play with the EQ (preferably when you are not driving) and you will be pleasantly surprised.

its a 10 for any factory installed system. You'd spend 2-3 times as much to get the same sound out of a after market system when all is said and done.

I came from having a 12" infiniti Kappa in the trunk. I felt that the logic7 sounded good, but that the bass was lacking. Then I decided to crank the volume up one day to see how it faired, and it got ear piercingly, rock concert loud without distortion, bass just thumping, trebles chirping. That's when I realized that it's not that it's lacking bass, it's that it's a well-rounded system and I'm used to too much bass. Later, I played with the eq a bit, ended up turning 100hz up pretty much all the way and some of the 'bass' setting as well, and I'd say it gives me a little less than I had before with the dedicated 12", but I don't mind because it sounds so much better overall.

I didn't spring for it, and I'm sorry I didn't. The standard system isn't very good -- a big disappointment for me.

Yeah too many people think that over bassing means good sound. I like pure sound, and as long as the system can re-create the bass in most music I'm fine.

Upgrade to the 335 and get that logic 7 for free :)

It's lacking hard pumping bass but If your looking for crystal clear quality sound, get it.

It's worth it.

I'm looking forward to it (getting the car tomorrow woo hoo!).

All I heard was that the standard system sucks and having the Logic 7 is WELL WORTH IT

I'm a classically trained musician, so my car's sound system is of major importance to me. The standard system was substandard IMHO. I had the logic 7 in my Mercedes and wasn't really impressed. But, in my BMW, it's a wonderful system. I believe the ability to use the equalizer built into the Logic 7 system and the speakers are better (there are more of them incuding two subwoofers) significantly enhances the sound. I'm actullay quite pleased with the Logic 7 System and would have been quite displeased with the standard one.

If you enjoy listening to music in your car, the Logic 7 is so worth it. The standard system is comparable to the radio in a Chevy Aveo rental car--believe me, I know first-hand. I found the Bose system in my last car (Infiniti G35x) was better than the Logic 7 (louder volume and a banging bass) in the BMW, but I usually have the Logic 7 at the loudest volume and there is zero distortion. Couple that with the IPod cable and they make for a pleasurable ride in the beemer.

Thumbs up for the logic 7. Have to disagree with the Blose system in my G35. I hated it. Maybe I just hated the rattles in the car. Not that I have had experiences with a lot of sound systems but the logic 7 is the best that I have had so far. Don't really know how it compares to the standard though.

Logic 7 is the best factory sound system I have experienced.

I've been around recording studios for many years. When you listen to the "playback" of a final recording take in a recording studio, its an awesome sound....so big and full. I have a 335i sedan,with logic7 and I get that same feeling...especially when I goose up the volume....great system

RBrylawski (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=136298) wrote:
I'm a classically trained musicianNo way, I am a (classical) pianist, quite competitive / serious player back in college. What do you play?


Anyway, I have the standard stereo on the new '07 and ipod integration. It's all right. I wouldn't say the best, but it is far from bad, and definitely better than a rental car / standard car (and from what I've heard, much better than the previous generation standard system.) I also listen mostly to classical / acoustic, and to be honest I don't turn it up very loud because I like to hear the engine / outside sounds too.

I would probably get a more "full" sound from the Logic 7 system, but honestly I thought I'd get better use out of putting $1200 into my home system, which woefully needs upgrading...

If you spend a lot of time in your car, or money is truly no object, then by all means go for it. If you don't really care about nuances of the music or don't turn it up too loud, then skip it.

Weird how the options are so personal -- I was thinking the comfort access might be a waste of money, and it is hands down my favorite option in this thing. So convenient.

I'm a classically trained musician, so my car's sound system is of major importance to me. The standard system was substandard IMHO. I had the logic 7 in my Mercedes and wasn't really impressed. But, in my BMW, it's a wonderful system. I believe the ability to use the equalizer built into the Logic 7 system and the speakers are better (there are more of them incuding two subwoofers) significantly enhances the sound. I'm actullay quite pleased with the Logic 7 System and would have been quite displeased with the standard one.


Thank you for stating that!! The Logic7 in the MB is nothing compared to the system in the BMW!

Logic 7 is the best factory sound system I have experienced.

Although it is a very good system and believe me I have it; try the Mark Levinson system in Lexus. I think that is the best factory sound system.

Although it is a very good system and believe me I have it; try the Mark Levinson system in Lexus. I think that is the best factory sound system.

I tried it with the same mp3. More bass, less sound quality. There are certain sounds, background vocals that you can hear clearly with the L7 and you can not hear them with the ML. L7 will win everytime if you have it judged by experienced audiophiles.

RBrylawski (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=136298) wrote:
No way, I am a (classical) pianist, quite competitive / serious player back in college. What do you play?

I played (past tense) classical clarinet. Was very good and was even accepted to Eastman for graduate school, but put it away when it became clear playing the clarinet probably wouldn't put a BMW in my garage!!

Although it is a very good system and believe me I have it; try the Mark Levinson system in Lexus. I think that is the best factory sound system.

I think the ML is a great system, but honestly, like everything in every Lexus I've ever driven, or owned (and I had an LS400 with a ML system), it lacks personality. I truly believe the Logic 7 System is superior.

If you enjoy listening to music in your car, the Logic 7 is so worth it. The standard system is comparable to the radio in a Chevy Aveo rental car--believe me, I know first-hand. I found the Bose system in my last car (Infiniti G35x) was better than the Logic 7 (louder volume and a banging bass) in the BMW, but I usually have the Logic 7 at the loudest volume and there is zero distortion. Couple that with the IPod cable and they make for a pleasurable ride in the beemer.


Totally disagree, the std BMW stereo is fantastic, of course the Logic 7 is going to be better, after all you are spending $1,200 more. But is the perceptible audible difference worth it? to me NO. I went for the sport package instead. I am reminded daily of my correct decision of NOT spending the additional $1,200.

Totally disagree, the std BMW stereo is fantastic, of course the Logic 7 is going to be better, after all you are spending $1,200 more. But is the perceptible audible difference worth it? to me NO. I went for the sport package instead. I am reminded daily of my correct decision of NOT spending the additional $1,200.

You may need your ears checked, then. I'm with the others. The L7's several times better and well worth the money.

You may need your ears checked, then. I'm with the others. The L7's several times better and well worth the money.
Some of us can't differentiate the subtle acoustics, kinda equivalent to the color blind. In that case, I doubt I'd notice the diff myself either. I am more of a visual person TBH. So in short, it is a personal taste/preference, try em both to decide, it may be :eek: for you, or :nono.

Or just get the 335 and have multiple sensory orgasms.

I'm loving mine.

2 behind the back seat, 1 on each door, 2 tweeters on the A pillars, 1 in the center and 2 subs under the front seats. One of the reasons why I take the long way home.

And if ever you're gonna test drive a Passat, make sure it has the Dynaudio system

Yes. I spent more than what the logic 7 costs on my truck stereo and the Bimmer still sounds better.

I have to believe that a lot of people are unfamiliar with professional audio components. Anyone who thinks $1200 is a lot of money for a component or a system is obviously not an audiophile of any kind. It would not be unheard of to spend $5-10K on a set of tweeters for a real home stereo if you want something professional sounding. Hell, you can purchase cables alone for a home theatre system that can cost you in excess of $10K just for the wires.

In regards to the L7, it is a a great system imo for the money. The ML is good, but subpar imo. Sound quality is so subjective because most people have not had a chance to actually hear CDs or Mp3s the way they are supposed to be heard. They are generally created with professional equipment and if you ever have a chance to hear a real audio setup you'll understand. While I think the L7 is great, I could easliy also say its crap in comparison to lots of other playback setups I've heard.

okay, how about some advice for those of us that didnt get a car with Logic 7? I assume its a factory only option - what to do now???

okay, how about some advice for those of us that didnt get a car with Logic 7? I assume its a factory only option - what to do now???

You could ask the dealer about install, but I can't imagine that would be economical now with the sub woofers, etc. I'd forget about it or maybe consider an external amp if that's possible.

Well, I have the standard system in my '07 328xi and it is very good. Good low, mid, and high range. Now, if you are trying to sound like to high schooler in a Honda Civic who can be heard coming down the road a mile away with the bass, you won't want the base system. Combine that with Sirius satellite radio and you will be happy.

Why not talk to your dealer and borrow a car with the radio for the afternoon and just go driving? My dealer was eager to allow me to do just about anything. I was admiring a 6 series coupe and he offered to take it off the showroom floor even though I told him I admired it, but didn't want it.

Gary

Well, I have the standard system in my '07 328xi and it is very good. Good low, mid, and high range. Now, if you are trying to sound like to high schooler in a Honda Civic who can be heard coming down the road a mile away with the bass, you won't want the base system. Combine that with Sirius satellite radio and you will be happy.

Why not talk to your dealer and borrow a car with the radio for the afternoon and just go driving? My dealer was eager to allow me to do just about anything. I was admiring a 6 series coupe and he offered to take it off the showroom floor even though I told him I admired it, but didn't want it.

Gary
I've noticed from talking to several people, they are more willing or likely to let older folks test drive any car with ease. I believe they see lots of potential disposable income ;).

You may need your ears checked, then. I'm with the others. The L7's several times better and well worth the money.


Like I said, the L7 is a better system; I just had a 335i loaner for a week, and I am STILL GLAD I did not spend the extra money. Its called trade-offs and if you are an engineer, you would understand that philosophy.

The standard system in the E90 92 models, in my opinion, is better than the premium Harmon Kardon on the previous E46 3-series. The difference between the premium and standard in the E46 model was extremely perceptible. Not so in the E90’s …. And I guarantee a public poll would prove this argument against the small retentive audiophiles on this list. J

You may need your ears checked, then. I'm with the others. The L7's several times better and well worth the money.

I will argue that each of the manufacturers have upgraded stereos that most certainly sound better than the basic system. However, I suggset that, with traffic noise, road noise, the noise from our tires, and perhaps even the noise from the other seat ;), most of us would be hard pressed to say that there is a significant difference. Yes, play the upgraded stereo in the dealers showroom floor demo and it will sound great. Go drive in our everyday environment and then I argue that the difference is mostly in bragging rights. :) Plus, depending on your vocation and your age, you might not hear the difference anyhow.

So, if the difference in the stereos costs doesn't bother you, buy what you want. Me? I really like my basic system. What I REALLY love is the Sirius. I can't tell you how nice it is to not hear ads, weather updates, traffic updates, and hear nothing but the music that I chose.

Gary

I will argue that each of the manufacturers have upgraded stereos that most certainly sound better than the basic system. However, I suggset that, with traffic noise, road noise, the noise from our tires, and perhaps even the noise from the other seat ;), most of us would be hard pressed to say that there is a significant difference. Yes, play the upgraded stereo in the dealers showroom floor demo and it will sound great. Go drive in our everyday environment and then I argue that the difference is mostly in bragging rights. :) Plus, depending on your vocation and your age, you might not hear the difference anyhow.

quite true, the same as not everyone appreciates the picture quality of HD. I can see a diff but not necessarily hear it, and my ears are to blame probably which is a blessing.


So, if the difference in the stereos costs doesn't bother you, buy what you want. Me? I really like my basic system. What I REALLY love is the Sirius. I can't tell you how nice it is to not hear ads, weather updates, traffic updates, and hear nothing but the music that I chose.

Gary
An iPod would do that too and you can also skip songs ;).

An iPod would do that too and you can also skip songs ;).

I don't know how many of you are, as the one responder said "older folks", but I am and I have had an iPod since they came out. Love it for working out, airplane riding, and also inputing it into my integrated iPod connection built into the car.

Gary

Okay, I've been living with my 335i for over a week now.

The thing I noticed the most about the Logic 7 system is just how clean it sounds. No overemphasis in any frequency, no muddy/boomy bass, no overly bright highs. Just balanced, natural sound. Very nice.

I'm actually VERY happy with my standard non logic 7 system. I would've liked comfort access before Logic7.

On my first E36 M3 the standard Nokia system SUCKED and the second one had the HK (upgrade) that was decent.

The standard stereo in this car is better than that and I'm very happy with it. I'm ALWAYS listening to music too although I'm far from an audiophile.

Tell you the truth, I have both CA and of course the L7, and I'd take the L7 over the CA. Mostly because I spend much more time listening to the radio/CD/mp3 than I do getting in/out of the car.

Having said that, CA is pretty cool (replaces the slightly clunky standard fob access system--place fob in slot, push button to start car: how is this any better, or even AS good, as old-fashioned keys?).

And, I can totally see where you're coming from--if you're not really into music in a big way. Or even considering the fact that there's tons of aftermarket audio solutions that are available (or will be) if you so choose, later on.

I'm happy with the stereo, I'm not happy I didn't get CA though, it would've been cool to have and less than half the price of the L7. However my car is only a 2 year lease so I'll do it right the next time; not that it's a big deal anyway.

I got the options that REALLY mattered to me.

Logic7 is not the best OE system I have heard but it is good, I am glad I have it in my 335.

The factory Alpine unit in my X type (despite having only 6 speakers total) can go toe to toe with the L7. In fact, I think the Alpine sounds a bit crisper overall

After searching the many posts I came out no better then when I started. So I will just ask the question. Is Logic 7 worth the $1200?...

Not worth it from the perspective that it was included free last year in the premium package.

Not worth it to those whose attitude is that the sports package is the only option worth getting.

Worth it if you are an audiophile.

Worth it if you're so rich that $1200 plus tax a just a drop in the bucket.

I've not heard the standard stereo setup so no opinion to offer. I do like the sound from the L7. The sound is clean at loud volume and there does not appear to be any significant peaks /dips through the frequency range of the system (the bass doesn't boom and the trebel doesn't make my ears bleed). Primarily I listen to heavy metal (I know, I know, like giving steak to a dog) but I like it to sound good. I did finally turn off the speed sensitive volume, nice but it got annoying after a while.

In short, if you spend any amount of time in your car and if you like music then do it. Similar to buying a stereo, try before you buy. Take some CDs to the dealer and test drive the car on the highway; this will make the system sound the worst due to background noise.

My 335i has the Logic 7 standard, but when I brought my car in for something and they let me drive a loaner for a couple of days, I noticed a big difference. The loaner was a 328i with no extra options, so it had the standard stereo with "only" 10 speakers (also with the subwoofers under the front seats). I thought it would be fine, but the difference was huge, even after I adjusted all the settings to add more bass and treble. The only complaint that I've got is the FM reception is not that great. For some reason, my 2002 Ford Explorer still gets way better and clearer FM reception than this $46k car with "3 FM diversity antennas".

My 335i has the Logic 7 standard, but when I brought my car in for something and they let me drive a loaner for a couple of days, I noticed a big difference. The loaner was a 328i with no extra options, so it had the standard stereo with "only" 10 speakers (also with the subwoofers under the front seats). I thought it would be fine, but the difference was huge, even after I adjusted all the settings to add more bass and treble. The only complaint that I've got is the FM reception is not that great. For some reason, my 2002 Ford Explorer still gets way better and clearer FM reception than this $46k car with "3 FM diversity antennas".

Hello "Blue Streek":

Exactly the same as I found. When I had the 328 loaner with the standard audio, I had a hard time resisting the urge to ask the SA where the 8-track was located. It was that bad.