Has anybody bought a performance chip from wokke on ebay? and is true that it will give 326 hp on the M60? is it worth it?

I can't confirm the HP but they are well worth the money in the low and midrange performance gains. It actually feels like it is accelerating before 30 mph:)

Mine replaced a Dinan chip 3 days after I bought my 840--Dinan chip is still in the toolbox somewhere and I have never been tempted to put it back in.

Differential change would be next mod for the street after the chip.

so is the wokke chip better than a dinan one ? and what deffrential is the best/ and where from?

Terry

do i understand that you used the one I am talking about?

I have had Wokke chips for about 5 years in both my now gone 740 and the 840.

I almost didn't buy the 840 because it wouldn't get out of its own way with the Dinan chip. The 740 I had then with the Wokke chip would blow the 840 with Dinan chip away for performance.

Three days after I bought the 8 I put a Wokke chip in it. World of difference:) Sort of like waking up Sleeping Beauty:)

I put an open 3.64 differential in mine--"cheap" and easy to find. The torque curve starts climbing hard at less than 10 mph and is improved below that so the car actually accelerates hard with only a tiny bit of lag. Definitely not the "wait till I get to 30 and then I can go" of the stock set up.

The Dinan transmission chip is worth its weight in gold even though they do charge more than that for it:eek:

The 3.91 ratio is the ultimate in the big case differential that the 8 uses but they are expensive and hard to find.

Terry,
ok what do you think about a wokke chip for the engine and a dinan one for the tranny. would the result be ok without replacing the differential?

I have a conforti chip, but the wokke is campairable and it is will worth the upgrade. And yes the conforti or wokke chip is better then the Dinan.

The Dinan trany chip is a great upgrade also.

I'll let you know about the differential once I get my '92 M5 3:91 LSD installed. but I am sure it will make the best differance of all.

I'm really interested in what you think about the 3.91 gearing. I was thinking it too tall for the M60/6spd, but those are much easier to get than the 3.45 I was going with and about the same price I'd pay for the tranny chip. Everything I've ever read rates the Wokke chip very well and is what I'll choose unless a conforti chip just drops in my lap. Maybe I can get a ride after you install it next time I'm in Indy to see firsthand.

Terry,
ok what do you think about a wokke chip for the engine and a dinan one for the tranny. would the result be ok without replacing the differential?


I ran that way for a couple of years and it worked fine for me :)

After all this reading for a long time regarding chips... I think I'm gonna have to pick a Wokke chip up.

What I could never find out though via searching on this forum and Roadfly is if the Wokke chip has any impact on MPG.

I know, I know, if you've got a heavy foot, then your MPG goes south. But in a real world application, with "normal" non-aggressive driving style, is there a noticeable drop in MPG with a Wokke chip?

I ask because:

A. I'm curious.
B. My 840Ci is my daily driver here in Los Angeles, and the traffic sucks (MPG is not so hot).

My mileage went UP by about 1 mpg on the 740. I didn't put enough miles on the 840 with the Dinan chip to compare but it was consistant with the 740.

The differential seems mpg neutral in suburban driving but I lost about 2 mpg on the highway at 75.

It seems every other E31 is installed with wokke chip, i also want one but wolf/wokke says its not for my 1995 840ci M60 UK spec? any input guys?

For 1995 840Ci there are only 2 chips available as far as I know. Those are Conforti and Dinan. We had a Dyno event in the DC Metro area and The dinan chip posted 4 more HP than the Conforti for the 840. As a matter of fact the Dinan chipped 840 had the same wheel horsepower as the Conforti chipped 850. They were both Automatics. However the 6 speed 850 had more WHP as the drivetrain loss was less.

I am not sure about their availability in the UK, but I had good result with Dinan ECU and Transmission chip combination for my old 840.

This is strange news to me. If I am understanding all of this correctly, you guys are saying that all 1995 840Ci with M60 engine cannot have a Wokke chip installed? I thought the trouble was with the 4.4L engine with OBCII not the 4L M60. I've got a lovely '95 4L M60 in the USA. Does this mean I can't use a Wokke chip?

It's just that I am not sure if Wokke "has" a chip of the M60 840. The thing about ECU is that with the OBD 1 cars you can change the chip. The OBD 2 cars have the chips soldered onto the motherboard and thus only reprogrammable via serial connection. It's like the BIOS of a computer.

Ok, my slow & inept brain is starting to get the picture.

So, like you mentioned, perhaps Wokke has not made a chip for M60 E31.

I am still under the impression that my 1995 840 is OBD 1.

wokke has the chip for the M 60 available. I've just puchased it from them yesterday. I didn't get it yet. I"ll let you know

Ok, my slow & inept brain is starting to get the picture.

So, like you mentioned, perhaps Wokke has not made a chip for M60 E31.

I am still under the impression that my 1995 840 is OBD 1.

Koizumi, all I am saying is that I do not know any 840 with Wokke chips. I know several 850s with wokke. All the 840 I know has either Dinan or Conforti. And I know over 80 8 series BMWs.

Thanks for your patience with a slow learner like me :)

Anyhow, I have emailed Wokke to find out more. If I'm outta luck, then I will go for Conforti or Dinan.

Cheers

Ahmed,
Terry has a Wokke chip on his 840 and he said that it worked for him better than the dinan one.

Was the 840 an M60 or M62?

I dont know , It is a 95 it might be M60 or 62 . but the chip i bought from wokke is for the 4.0L

@ Koizumi - untill late 1995 840 came with M60 after that M62...if i am not wrong.

@Moonslook- the chip you ordered will not work i am afraid but you will have to sell it on eBay or ask wokke not to send and refund you.

SOLUTION: (if you ONLY want wokke chip)

Wokke says either send him stock chip so he can read the data and make customized chip for M60 engine (extra $200) OR go to your local tunning garage or ECU expert who can give you *.dab file which you e-mail him.

I reckon chip reader itself wont cost more than $50 or £25.

Mujxx,
Wokke is saying that this chip is for the m60 so why wouldn't work? do you know anything about it?

Just heard back from Wokke, and he confirmed that E31 M60 from '95 to '96 will not work with his chips. Neither will all 4.4L M62 engines.

So, from my understanding, the only 840 that the Wokke chip will work in is the first year 1994 M60.

Looks like I will be looking for a Conforti or Dinan chip.

Any thoughts as to which might be better? I know, what an annoyingly subjective question, but I had to ask!

Cheers

from what I heared from other members that a conforti chip is better than a dinan one. but the best chip for the tranny is from dinan. you can get a dinan chip for the m60 for 199 from dinans website. i think it will be harder to find a conforti chip because I looked for 1 and i couldn't find any for the m 60

Isn't the Conforti chip on their website for '94 - '95 M60? If I recall, my 840 was sold to it's first owner on 3/95. This might be 'conforting' news for me.


I like what I see:

Horsepower Gain +19 @ 3000 RPM

Torque Gain +33 @ 3000 RPM

New Rev Limit 7000 RPM

The problem is that in some 1995 built 840's there is a point where an EWS2 security code was written in that requires a chip written specifically for that car.

The wokke ads tell you which ECU # you need to have. If it ends in 404 you are good to go. If it ends in 484 the chip won't work.

All of the '96 models in the US are OBD2 by Federal law and the chip can't be replaced-only Flashed.

By the same token my '95 is a 4/94 build and a lot of '95 840's are built before the change.

Despite Wokke's response telling me that his chip can't be used in my car...

I did some more research since I did not provide any ECM # or Date Of Manufacture details in my email to Señor Wokke.


A BMW VIN check states that my car was born on 10/94, and the engine is M60B40.

So far, good luck.

The next step is to look at the ECM code in the morning to see if it's 0261 200 "404"

Hopefully it's not 0261 200 "484" since "484" is not Wokke compatible (as mentioned in the above post).

Cheers gentlemen.

PS. I might be Wokke chipped after all :)

Hi all,

it seems to me like there is quite some confusion about upgrading Motronic chips in the 840. Although already explained by Terry I'd like to summarize it again:

The 840 was initially produced with a 4lV8 (M60B40) and a Motronic ending 404. These cars were produced until 1995 but I can't tell an exact production date. My chip is for the M60B40 / 404 Motronic
In 1995 BMW introduced a new Motronic (ending 484). This ECU has an integrated anti theft code (EWS 2). This is a little program on the chip communicating with other devices in the car. Anyone who can programm a performance chip can also program a chip for this ECU, but it is an individual programming due to the car specific EWS 2 code. On the 404 Motronic it is a simple plug and play job: remove the old chip and put the new one in. Unfortunately this does not work with the 484 Motronic. If I have the original program of a 484 chip I can extract the EWS 2 part and integrate it into my performance chip.
The last 840s came with the enhanced 4.4lV8 (M62B44) and again a modified Motronic.This Motronic's control chip is soldered to the PCB and can't just be pulled as on the older ECUs. On top of that it is not an EPROM but an EEPROM which can be flashed directly via the OBD II port.Cheers
Wolf

P.S. BTW, on the 850 (M70) none of the above "problems" apply

Thanks for the information.

I checked the ECU Motronic module on my car, and it ends in 404.

It just might be the case that 840 with the M60B40 engine manufactured up until the end of 12/1994 would seem to have ECU Motronic module ending in 404.

I can't wait to install the Wokke chip in my car :)

Cheers

What sort of improvements does the Dinan tranny chip provide exactly?

it raises the shift points to a higher rpm for faster acceleration in both the "Sport" and "Economy" modes, allowing you to carry more road speed in each gear.

Has anyone done 0-60 or 1/4mi time comparisons with and without the Dinan tranny chip?

I have not done any before and after timings. But comparisons between the 740 I had with the stock chip and the 840 with the Dinan chip show an improvement in the driveability feel in both S and E.

Shift points are a bit higher and IIRC the shifts feel crisper. It has been several years since I had the 740 but the cars overlapped by about year.

Thanks for the info. One more question...do the chip's effects result in lower MPG?

Thanks for the info. One more question...do the chip's effects result in lower MPG?

Only if you can't resist playtime:)

Terry,
what about a tranny chip from Wokke? would it work better than the dinan since I am installing a Wokke for the engine?

I don't think that he has a transmission chip.:(

No Wokke transmission chip. Dinan is the way to go. I think that your MPG might be lessened with the gears shifting at a higher point with a transmission chip.

I can't wait to install the Wokke that I bought. Hopefully the mailman will be swift.

Installed the Wokke chip... Wow!

The car behaves like a racehorse when I put my foot down :)

I highly recommend this upgrade. The difference over stock is like night & day.

Now the 840 takes right away, hesitation seems minimized. Torque boost is very evident, esp. at low rpm.

Very impressive.

And Wokke is a gentleman!

Installed the Wokke chip... Wow!

The car behaves like a racehorse when I put my foot down

I highly recommend this upgrade. The difference over stock is like night & day.

Now the 840 takes right away, hesitation seems minimized. Torque boost is very evident, esp. at low rpm.

Very impressive.

And Wokke is a gentleman!

Thanks David !

A question regarding the tranny chip several members are mentioning over & over again:

The tranny in my E34-540i is self adaptive as they call it over here. The shifting points are set by my way of driving. Whenever my wife drove the car for a certain time (she is more of a calm driver) shifting points are at rather low rpms. If I have driven the car again in a more "aggressive" way, the shifting points go up. That's why I don't see any point in changing a chip in my tranny's ECU. Next to that no such chips are available in the German market (at least I don't know of any) and I opened the ECU a long time ago and couldn't even find a socketed chip which could be changed without a solder iron.
Does anyone here in this forum know more about it. Do we have different gearboxes here in Germany ????

Cheers
Wolf

You have a newer transmission that adapts to driving habits and the earlier transmissions, like 91-94, used the old type that shifted at a set point all the time. The newer adapting trannys are fun/helpful to figure out who the driver before you drove. Like my buddies' dad who would redline almost every gear it seemed like.

I finally ordered a Wokke chip for my 840 based on all the positive feedback here.

Can you describe your experience installing the chip? Did you do it yourself? What was the most difficult part?

Also, do you have to disconnect the batteries? I do not have my radio code and wanted to try to avoid that hassle if at all possible.

Any insights you can offer are appreciated.

Noah

You don'tt need to disconnect the batteries. It's a very simple process, but pulling out the board itself is a little tricky. The best way to do it is to blast the connecting part with a warm hair dryer for a few seconds to soften up the center tabs. Wokke suggested this and it worked great.

Overall install time is 15 minutes.

Basic install - Remove the Motronic case top, disconnect the DME unit, remove it and open it up. Remove one inner screw, open the 2 prongs that hold the boards together. Then move both side clips and main center clip. Pull board out, open it up, remove chip, replace with Wokke chip. Reverse process. Very easy.

Here's Wokke's install page: http://www.wokke.de/Chiptuning/High%20Performance%20Chip%20Installation.htm

You have a newer transmission that adapts to driving habits and the earlier transmissions, like 91-94, used the old type that shifted at a set point all the time. The newer adapting trannys are fun/helpful to figure out who the driver before you drove. Like my buddies' dad who would redline almost every gear it seemed like.

Thanks for updating me. My car was indeed 1st registered in 03/1994.
Cheers
Wolf

Installed the Wokke chip... Wow!

The car behaves like a racehorse when I put my foot down :)

I highly recommend this upgrade. The difference over stock is like night & day.

Now the 840 takes right away, hesitation seems minimized. Torque boost is very evident, esp. at low rpm.

Very impressive.

And Wokke is a gentleman!

I Just Ordered! For my 1994 840Ci. My manufacture date: 3/1994. She ( I ) got an early Christmas!

Should Be on it way in few days!

Thanks for the Info!

840 ways to C :redspot

Installed the Wokke chip... Wow!

The car behaves like a racehorse when I put my foot down :)

I highly recommend this upgrade. The difference over stock is like night & day.

Now the 840 takes right away, hesitation seems minimized. Torque boost is very evident, esp. at low rpm.

Very impressive.

And Wokke is a gentleman!


Koizumi,

I ordered a Wokke_2000 performance Chip, also! It was shipped last Saturday 9/22. How long did it take for your Chip to arrive? I live in Dallas!

I am hoping it arrives tomorrow (Saturday) for installation!

Thanks,

840ways to C :redspot

I have ordered mine before he did and he got his 1st. it took me 11 days to get mine.

It took a few days only, IIRC it was 5 days.

First thing you should do is put it in S4 and push down on that pedal.

You will have a big grin :)

I have ordered mine before he did and he got his 1st. it took me 11 days to get mine.


Moonslook,

I might have a few more days to wait! It's cool! I can install after work, during the week, if it does not come this weekend!

840ways to C :devillook

Moonslook,

I might have a few more days to wait! It's cool! I can install after work, during the week, if it does not come this weekend!

840ways to C :devillook

Installed Wokke_2000 Performance Chip last night! Sounded Stronger, more powerful the second she HIT!

Defintely has more Power & Torque! She goes without Hesitation. A Must upgrade if you have a M60 engine!

Very easy installation, just follow the instructions!

Now, I must keep from getting a Ticket!

Wolf, most appreciated!!!!!!!!!

840ways to C :redspot

Wow I might have to pick one up. I have had difficulty finding them on ebay in the past though.

Wow I might have to pick one up. I have had difficulty finding them on ebay in the past though.

Key this in!!

"Performance chip-BMW - E31/E32/E34 - V8 - 326HP / 480Nm"

It should take you there!

Like I mentioned earlier, the Wokke chip is worth every penny.

I really like the low end torque boost. My car really flies off the line relative to how it performed when 'stock'. Incredible difference all around, too.

Cheers

Wow I might have to pick one up. I have had difficulty finding them on ebay in the past though.

They sell so well that I have problems keeping up with the re listing :)
Just kidding. My ebay alias is wokke_2000

Cheers
Wolf

Hey Wolf
Looks like you getting lots of business because of my posting( save me a percentage of the profit) ''kidding'' :eyecrazy. I got mine 2 days after I emailed you but I didnot get a chance to install it yet.
thank you

Hey Wolf
Looks like you getting lots of business because of my posting( save me a percentage of the profit) ''kidding'' :eyecrazy. I got mine 2 days after I emailed you but I didnot get a chance to install it yet.
thank you

I can't argue with you. All the positive feedback not only in this forum indeed influence the sales and it makes me happy to read, that so far every feedback I've got/read is positive.
:thanks:

You'll get a discount on your next purchase. I do have some nice rims for sale right now. :)



Cheers
Wolf

i'll check your stuff on ebay from time to another, I seen the rims you got. they look v good but I 've never been attracted to bbs's. I have fondmetals on my 8 right now,my next move will be ac schnitzer type 2 three pcs

cheers

i'll check your stuff on ebay from time to another, I seen the rims you got. they look v good but I 've never been attracted to bbs's. I have fondmetals on my 8 right now,my next move will be ac schnitzer type 2 three pcs

cheers


like these?

http://www.wokke.de/rims/stock/Schnitzer-II/03.jpg

O.o

Good lord, ^ those are pure sex!

yes. what size are they ? do you have'm?

yes. what size are they ? do you have'm?

They are 8.5/9.5x17, 3-piece, 5x120 , offset 15/22.
More pictures you find here:
http://www.wokke.de/17-Dateien/image005.jpg

This set is sold (US$1.590,-), but I have another one under refurbishment right now. Haven't decided on the color for the center yet. My favorite is BMW nogaro silver, but it's the buyer's choice.

not a bad price for 17''s . I want 18's on the front and 19's on the back.

not a bad price for 17''s . I want 18's on the front and 19's on the back.

Since this combination never came as a set it is nearly impossible to find them used. Next to that this design never came in 18" or even 19" to my knowledge. If you want this design you have to accept 17" I'm afraid.
Cheers
Wolf

Well, I've called before a wheel store in california and they got the sizes i wanted but they are very expensive.almost 1500 each. I know there is no way to get what i want used , i'll get em new one day.

Well, I've called before a wheel store in california and they got the sizes i wanted but they are very expensive.almost 1500 each. I know there is no way to get what i want used , i'll get em new one day.

AC Schnitzer is about 40 miles away from me. I can call them and check if they have available what you're after. I can let you know tomorrow if you like.
Cheers
Wolf

That will be great Wolf :cool

I really appreciate that , give them a call please and let me know.

cheers

They are sick. :mad
Front 8.5x18 is EURO 1.108,- EACH
Rear 10x19 is EURO .1346,- EACH

Both prices incl. the 19% German VAT which I can not claim back because AC Schnitzer is not supporting "grey imports" and they would have to pay the VAT back to me once I proof the export.

I have the impression my 17" set is a real bargain :stickoutt

So you're talking roughly US$5.000,- for the entire set.
BTW, AC Schnitzer STRONGLY RECOMMENDS to stay away from this combination for drivability/safety reasons.

Cheers
Wolf

Thanks Wolf,
Honestly I don't know what they think about it. I new about the prices before. The one thing is once you see these wheels on the 8, you wont like anything after that. Any ways, your 17 set is worth more than what you asking(may be in usa only) i don't know about it in germany. Back home,(lebanon) we used to take the ac schnitzers off the bmws and replace them by aftermarket crap. We didnot value it, the best set wasn't more than 500$(used) .
Thanks again for the info.
Cheers
Adel

BTW, AC Schnitzer STRONGLY RECOMMENDS to stay away from this combination for drivability/safety reasons.

Can you elaborate on this at all Wolf? I'm assuming it is because of the different rim diameters and not the widths. I was considering this setup as well.

Can you elaborate on this at all Wolf? I'm assuming it is because of the different rim diameters and not the widths. I was considering this setup as well.

I'm not an expert on this but my assumption is that this combination is not tested by AC Schnitzer nor is it legalized for Germany and therefor they recommend to stay away from it.
We in Germany do have no general speed limit but we do not have the same "freedom of choice" as you guys have when it comes to technical modifications. EVERY rim and rim combination has to have a safety approval AND it needs to be approved in combination with the used tire for the car you want to mount it to. I'm for example running a set of ALPINA 8.5x17 and 10x17 on my E34-540iA. This set was standard on the ALPINA E34 BiTurbo but as long as I haven't gotten it approved for my car my entire car is not street legal.
I'm also thinking about a AFM to MAF conversion for my E34-535i as well as my E24-635CSi and my E24-M635CSi but it would be illegal on all of them and there is more or less no chance to legalize it because it would require very expensive emission tests.
So don't be too jealous that we have no general speed limit - we have other limitations.

Cheers
Wolf

I put all 3 of your chips in one of my 850's and it took a 3 months to stop grinning, Thanks Wolf! I will be purchasing another set for my second car soon.

Hey Wokke I want a set of your chips for my 850. But I live in the Dubai, UAE. Is it possible for you to find out how much it will cost to send it here? Also if at all possible I want a fast shipping method. I can send funds many wayS. Which ever is best for you. Thanks in advance.

More business wolf!!
kidding as usual... You deserve it.
By the way , dhl the best for shipping to dubai(uae)

cheers.

yeah I actually orders some part from Germany to Dubai. it's about 5 days which is the fastest method I believe. Thanks Moonslook.

I asked you before about the head lights, you can pm me about them if u want

I put all 3 of your chips in one of my 850's and it took a 3 months to stop grinning, Thanks Wolf! I will be purchasing another set for my second car soon.

Thanks a lot. I'm really happy about all the positive feedback I'm getting from you guys.

:thanks::thanks::thanks:

Hey Wokke I want a set of your chips for my 850. But I live in the Dubai, UAE. Is it possible for you to find out how much it will cost to send it here? Also if at all possible I want a fast shipping method. I can send funds many wayS. Which ever is best for you. Thanks in advance.

Hi SE7VEN40RTY,

I normally ship them as a normal letter by airmail which costs US$10,- to any destination in this world.
The fastest shipping method is certainly via a courier service like UPS, FEDEX, DHL and similar. But the cost is outrageous if you don't have a contract with them which I don't have.
For payment I prefer moneybookers (www.moneybookers.com) because of the very fair fees. PayPal is possible too although I hate their rip off mentality and it makes the produt 6.5% more expensive. Bank transfer is possibility #3.

Cheers
Wolf

Hi SE7VEN40RTY,

I normally ship them as a normal letter by airmail which costs US$10,- to any destination in this world.
The fastest shipping method is certainly via a courier service like UPS, FEDEX, DHL and similar. But the cost is outrageous if you don't have a contract with them which I don't have.
For payment I prefer moneybookers (www.moneybookers.com) because of the very fair fees. PayPal is possible too although I hate their rip off mentality and it makes the produt 6.5% more expensive. Bank transfer is possibility #3.

Cheers
Wolf

send me the total please and your information to send it to via money bookers. maybe bank I'll see what I can do here. PM me.

mail sent.

Just heard back from Wokke, and he confirmed that E31 M60 from '95 to '96 will not work with his chips. Neither will all 4.4L M62 engines.

Man... sorry to read that. Mines an 01/95 build date... sheesh. I'm still gonna check numbers to confirm absolutely for mine.

Man... sorry to read that. Mines an 01/95 build date... sheesh. I'm still gonna check numbers to confirm absolutely for mine.

I've read somewhere that the move from 404 to 484 happened in 05/95 but I can't confirm this as I have no detailed info on it. So please check the number on the ECU in your car.
Wolf

I will for sure Wolf asap, as your hardware is my first choice hands down. Right now the car is about 6 states away from me and I miss'er. :(

I will for sure Wolf asap, as your hardware is my first choice hands down. Right now the car is about 6 states away from me and I miss'er. :(

poor boy. Life can be a bitch :bawling
One reason why I travel even large distances (if possible) with my own car. I hate to drive some boring shit rental cars.

I thought the cutoff date for 404 Motronic in E31 was Date Of Manufacture End of December 1994 (12/94). So this means that many 1995 models will have been manufactured in 1994, thus your chances of having a 404 Motronic in a '95 840 is quite high.

PS. I agree about rental cars, I hate shitty rental cars!

I hate to drive some boring shit rental cars.
I agree about rental cars, I hate shitty rental cars!

I use Hertz exclusively, they give me Shelby mustangs and Hummers. :cool

I use Hertz exclusively, they give me Shelby mustangs and Hummers. :cool

and you give them free access to your bank account in return? :lol

I use Hertz exclusively, they give me Shelby mustangs and Hummers. :cool

Those cars still fall under the shitty category. hahahaha :nono

Lol....true, (I have to answer to the expense account somewhat) but you can still put your foot in it in LA or NY traffic to blast in the HOV lanes with the Shelby, and it's nice to have some metal around you in say, Cincinnati with the Hummer :D

I've read somewhere that the move from 404 to 484 happened in 05/95 but I can't confirm this as I have no detailed info on it. So please check the number on the ECU in your car.
Wolf


Wokke, what is the main reason that you cannot release your famous aggressive ROM tune for the 96-97 cars? I understand that because those cars are OBDII the upgrade is not a simple "chip" but rather the computer has to be plugged in to a terminal and flashed? Is this something that you would consider doing if people were willing to send you their ECU? Or is it not that simple? Members speak so highly of your tuning and the gains seem considerably higher then the Dinan Chips it's a shame that something cannot be done with the OBDII cars? If it were just a matter of pulling a box out of the car and expressing it to Germany for a couple of weeks I'd seriously consider doing so to have you work your magic.

I apologize in advance if this topic has been beaten to death. (insert noob comment)

:-]

as you say it is not a simple chip exchange activity. I once got a box sent (850CSi) and the hassle was enormous:
1. I had to pay import tax PLUS 19% VAT of the value the shipper had declared.
2. I had to personally pick up the shipment from customs.
3. When done I had to fill out tons of export paper shit to claim the VAT back. Tax I didn't not get refunded.

All in all I've spent at least 6 hours if not more just for this admin shit which I never got paid for.
The same issue we have with the 484 Motronics. There are a lot of people asking me how they can send me the chip and get it upgraded (rather simple in comparison) but at the end only one customer from Taiwan actually did it. For most people their cars are their daily drivers and they can't afford to wait that long.
Because of this experience I have to admit I've never seriously considered going into this ODB II "remotely".
But if I have a little spare time I will think about some solution.

Cheers
Wolf

So correct me if I'm wrong, but beyond the terrible hassle of getting a ECU shipped to you, there is very little difference architecturally between the OBDI and OBDII units? If so, It's too bad that red-tape seems to be the only thing keeping the newer cars from experiencing your tune.

After hearing the hassle you had to go through I wouldn't want to subject you to that just to tune my box. I guess I'll be sticking with Dinan, seeing as I'm pretty much set on a 97 car.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but beyond the terrible hassle of getting a ECU shipped to you, there is very little difference architecturally between the OBDI and OBDII units? If so, It's too bad that red-tape seems to be the only thing keeping the newer cars from experiencing your tune.

After hearing the hassle you had to go through I wouldn't want to subject you to that just to tune my box. I guess I'll be sticking with Dinan, seeing as I'm pretty much set on a 97 car.

from what I can read in the different forums and threads my chip beats DINAN while it is comparable to Conforti. This means to me that Conforti beats DINAN as well and would be a better choice. Sorry I can't help but it's most likely not worth the hassle and price wise I couldn't do it for the same as my 404 chip either.

Cheers
Wolf

Wokke, I completely understand. It sounds like a big hassle to tune the OBDII cars. I would not ask you to go through the trouble. However to my knowledge Conforti is not available for OBDII either. Just Dinan. However I'm still optimistic as Ahmed made amazing gains using the Dinan chips and plasma coils on his 97 840. However, Ahmed's 840 performance has made me think that perhaps results will vary using different plasma coils? Could he have seen the same gains using the Bavarian Auto coils? Alas, that is a debate for another thread ;-]

I may be interested in getting a chip set for my (future) 850i. Will it decrease the life of the engine? Is installation reversible?

It's the Best Bang for the buck! Totally reversible.

"bang" is what I want to avoid...

I've had bad luck with chips for other auto makers--there were some benefits but they also brought annoying detriments as well.

Did you have lots of Great feedback about your detrimental chips or you took a chance? Cause Wolf's chips have lots of Plus feedback from users of different chips/"People switching over". May be there not for you but the chips are of good quality!

Wolf, your ebay auctions say they include three chips--one for each bank of the V12 and then an EML chip--is this last one good for autos only and, if so, do you sell just the two chips for a 6-speed?

Hi Lachlan,

the EML chip also works in the 6-speed, but has a small "bug". Your clutch pedal has a little switch to deactivate the cruise control in case it is engaged and you change press the clutch pedal. This signal is not recognized by my EML chip. I have quite a few customers running it in their 6-speed nevertheless. maybe even some forum members and if so I would appreciate to get their comments on this issue.

I do sell also the DME chips alone, but at the same price. The EML chip is actually a free ad on because I have it and it makes no sense to offer it as a separate item.

Wolf

Wokke... where is your ebay ad for the 850 chips? It appears you only have one listed for the V8's?

-B.

The set just sold this night but it's re listed now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320169806181

Nice! Consider this next set sold already!

-B.

thanks for your purchase. :thanks:

Will ship on Monday.
Cheers
Wolf

Wolf,

I need your chip! I just checked my '95 540im and its heartbreakingly a 484. Is there any way to make your chip work for it? i read something about you possibly making it work if i have the codes or something from the chip. how would i get that? would you make that chip special for me? If i can't get it from you, should i go dinan or conforti? my car is pure stock and i want one chip to put me over 300HP. is this possible?

Wolf,

I need your chip! I just checked my '95 540im and its heartbreakingly a 484. Is there any way to make your chip work for it? i read something about you possibly making it work if i have the codes or something from the chip. how would i get that? would you make that chip special for me? If i can't get it from you, should i go dinan or conforti? my car is pure stock and i want one chip to put me over 300HP. is this possible?

Hi fronton,

I would need the program stored in your ECU's chip. Either you find a way to read it yourself and mail me the file (easiest & quickest) or you mail me the chip which makes your car inoperable for the time the chip is in the mail. I do not fancy mailing a chip because if it gets lost you're really screwed.
The programming as such is an individual job which raises the chip price from US$169,- to US$399,-
No idea what Dinan or Conforti charge, but if you decide to go with them (they'll need your chip as well BTW) Conforti seems to be the better choice from what I've read in various threads. I myself can't judge neither of them since they do not sell in Germany.

Wolf

hello all,

as I haven't been active on this site b4 I should let you know I am an 840 owner and have one of the 'wokke' (ebay) chips fitted.

Never did bother to dyno it b4 or after but my fairly well experienced 'butt dyno" told me that nobody would be unhappy with his product so much so that
I have become the agent for Austrralia and Asia Pacific region.

The power and torgue gains are amazing as is the fuel consumption. I usually run on E10 95 Octane (10% ETHANOL) and when I really want max power I use 98. The chips bring out the best in the M60 (E31, E32, E34) and I have only ever read good reports.

I have seen many users claims better performance from this chip compared to the Dinan and several other rip off brands

cheers
Theo
Melbourne
Australia

Wolf,

Thanks for responding. Well I certainly don't want to mail the chip to Germany, but I don't know how else to read it. Do i just go to any bmw shop and ask them to read it? Is the code just numbers that i would be able to email you? Conforti will do it for $250 and Dinan a little less, but i want yours. I am willing to pay you more because i believe that you'll provide better results and realize how custom a job it is but can only afford $300 (assuming i just emailed your the code) which is nearly double as it is. Let me know what you think.

Wolf,

Thanks for responding. Well I certainly don't want to mail the chip to Germany, but I don't know how else to read it. Do i just go to any bmw shop and ask them to read it? Is the code just numbers that i would be able to email you? Conforti will do it for $250 and Dinan a little less, but i want yours. I am willing to pay you more because i believe that you'll provide better results and realize how custom a job it is but can only afford $300 (assuming i just emailed your the code) which is nearly double as it is. Let me know what you think.

It is a binary file (*.bin) stored on the EPROM. A special small device called EPROM reader (and programmer) is all you need. Hooks up to the PC and comes with software. Actually not too difficult.

It is a binary file (*.bin) stored on the EPROM. A special small device called EPROM reader (and programmer) is all you need. Hooks up to the PC and comes with software. Actually not too difficult.

Wolf,

I have a tech that I am working with to get the file off my EPROM. If i get the code, what email should i send it to, how do we arrange a price, payment, and get started? I am very much looking forward to working with you.

I've sent you a PM.

Last night I read every post in this thread and convinced myself that once I had sorted ABS ASC problems I would be ordering a wokke chip, then this morning I removed my DME and its a 484. So gutted!

It is a binary file (*.bin) stored on the EPROM. A special small device called EPROM reader (and programmer) is all you need. Hooks up to the PC and comes with software. Actually not too difficult.

Hey Wokke, can this be done with the 5.4L V12 OBD II systems? I've heard the later cars can't be easily chipped, but are there any options at all for them chip wise?

After I get back on the road, I am definately gonna get one of your chips. You cannot beat the feedback from this thread, good enough for me. I'm lucky to have an early 94 M60:redspot

Hey Wolf ,

Looks like this thread will not die.... you still getting the business and I haven't installed the chip I got from you yet ... I still have it on the shelf... hape it doesn't go bad as a fast food sandwich :lol


Cheers

.....I usually run on E10 95 Octane (10% ETHANOL) and when I really want max power I use 98. .....

Wish is was easy to get that stuff here at the local pump!

My 96 840 with the M62 engine couldn't be chipped because of the hard wiring. The option was to have the Dinan software programmed into either or both the engine and transmission. That was done and the result is the probably the same as a installing a chip. Anyone out there that can offer a performance comparison between software programming and the aftermarket chip providers??

Hey Wokke, can this be done with the 5.4L V12 OBD II systems? I've heard the later cars can't be easily chipped, but are there any options at all for them chip wise?

Unfortunately your info is correct. The chip in your DME is a SMD and not socketed as on the earlier Motronic units.
I've heard about a guy calling himself firebird who is offering some sort of chip tuning, but you're talking US$1.500 or more. Unfortunately no further info on it.

@moonslook

You must be a very busy man because it only takes about 30 minutes to do it. It won't go bad, even if you don't store it in your fridge, what you should definitely do with a sandwich :)

@whale

there is actually no difference between software programming and an aftermarket chip. In both cases the original program has been altered or as we say has been remapped.
On modern ECUs the chips holding the program are soldered and can't be easily replaced but the software can be deleted & reprogrammed via a port from outside (EEPROM). Older ECUs have this chip sitting in a socket and you can just pull it and put in a new one with the enhanced software. Those you normally can not program directly but need a special hard- and software to do it (EPROM).

Cheers
Wolf

Wolf,

I am realy always busy, but I will install it one day. I trust all what the guys have said.

cheers

Which one of your 8's gonna get the chip?

The 94 . there is no way to get it on the 97s... Dinan is next to be on the 97.

how much are these chips?

$189,- for the V8-M60
$229,- for the V12-M70 incl. EML

Shipping via standard mail is $10,-, insured incl. tracking# $20,- (flat rate world wide).

hey Wolf, since you are in germany and around lots of deals and wheels, would you search a 19'' Hamann HM5 wheel for me and I;ll pay you whatever you want for your time.

cheers

I'm actually refurbishing a set right now and the owner might be willing to sell them since he'd fancy a set of 20" ALPINA for his E38. How much are you willing to pay? They will be like new after the refurbishment:
powder coated silver
mirror polished lips
new chrome plated screws
special clear coating for the lips (more durable than standard powder clear coat).

Wolf

I'm actually refurbishing a set right now and the owner might be willing to sell them since he'd fancy a set of 20" ALPINA for his E38. How much are you willing to pay? They will be like new after the refurbishment:
powder coated silver
mirror polished lips
new chrome plated screws
special clear coating for the lips (more durable than standard powder clear coat).

Wolf

you know, the f up thing I only need one only for the rear i do beleive it is 10.5'' . and i dont think you guys will screw a set to sell one. how much is the whole set?

you know, the f up thing I only need one only for the rear i do beleive it is 10.5'' . and i dont think you guys will screw a set to sell one. how much is the whole set?

I believe = I don't know :)
Send me the exact data of the rims and if possible a picture and I see what i can do. Eventually get a new one directly from Hamann which is most likely your only choice. Those rims are rare in the first place and if availablöe normally only as a set.
Did you have one rear damaged beyond repair or why do you need just a single one?

No idea how much he might be asking. My guess is around 3k for the set after the refurbishment.

I want one only because it got damaged after an accident. i want to get it so i'd be able to sell them as a set. i dont want 19''s on the car. i will send you the info and any help would be apreciated. even if you can find me a phone number in germany for hamann , i coudn't get ahold of them in usa

cheers

Hey Wokke, I have a question for you about mixing your M70 engine chip set with the Dinan automatic transmission chip. It is will the two chips work well together? I ask because the Dinan guy said that with their chip set they didn't raise the rev limiter so the engine may rev too high for the trans when using your engine chips. Personally I just would want to go all out if I chipped my car and the fact that I would be going faster than 60mph in first gear really sounds cool to me. (Dinan guy said their cars went up to 70-80mphish in first)

Hey Wokke, I have a question for you about mixing your M70 engine chip set with the Dinan automatic transmission chip. It is will the two chips work well together? I ask because the Dinan guy said that with their chip set they didn't raise the rev limiter so the engine may rev too high for the trans when using your engine chips. Personally I just would want to go all out if I chipped my car and the fact that I would be going faster than 60mph in first gear really sounds cool to me. (Dinan guy said their cars went up to 70-80mphish in first) Hey Jimmy..I myself can't see my car shifting any higher than (maybe 50mph in 1st) She shifts out of 2nd at 83mph..Now I do have the Wokke chips but no trans chip yet..But i can't see my car doing 75 in 1st without breaking something..JMHO..But I could be wrong..

Mark, I think you have a lower/acceleration type geared final drive/differential gear set than me, like a 3.64 if memory serves correct. As mine is a higher/top speed type geared diff of 3.15 because it really goes to 60mph in first. I also have changed my trans fluid and filter recently with Mobil 1 too so that helps some also.

Hey Jimmy..I myself can't see my car shifting any higher than (maybe 50mph in 1st) She shifts out of 2nd at 83mph..Now I do have the Wokke chips but no trans chip yet..But i can't see my car doing 75 in 1st without breaking something..JMHO..But I could be wrong..The chips come in a set of three for the 850, Your missing all the pie by not installing that chip! It is the most complicated of the three to install though.

8eights, I think you are a little confused. The trans chip that I am talking about is completely different from the Wokke set. But rather a fourth chip to make the trans shift later and with more road speed.

My 840Ci ECU has 262 where the "404 or 484" should be... I am so confused the manufacture date is 05/95... sorry that I don't understand what this means....

I don't think it's necessary but will say this for Wolf-
Excellent product and a fine, honest gentleman to deal with.
I have his chips in all of my 8's.

My 840Ci ECU has 262 where the "404 or 484" should be... I am so confused the manufacture date is 05/95... sorry that I don't understand what this means....

and it says DME on it like on the below picture?
Next option is to open the box and read the number on the chip itself. This might help me to identify it.

http://www.wokke.de/Chiptuning/High%20Performance%20Chip%20Installation-Dateien/image011.jpg


@ SSC

:thanks:

hey Wokke,

thanks bro, I will be doing this as soon as I get home and send you a message!

Cheers,
Thomas

edit: I am having a really hard time getting the units out, I've looked at all the guides I can and I cannot seem to figure out how to remove the clips(brackets?) or something. I'm sorry for my inability to do something that I'm sure is much easier than I'm making it out to be.

hey Wokke,

thanks bro, I will be doing this as soon as I get home and send you a message!

Cheers,
Thomas

edit: I am having a really hard time getting the units out, I've looked at all the guides I can and I cannot seem to figure out how to remove the clips(brackets?) or something. I'm sorry for my inability to do something that I'm sure is much easier than I'm making it out to be.

needle pliers and a strong pull are the answer :)

On It! :evil2!

I guess this is when I start crying... it's 484... I was really looking forward to it too, Wokke :(! I was hoping I wouldn't have to go by way of Dinan...

I can still help but I need the original chip or the program stored on it if you find someone to read the chip and email me the program.

Turner MS has an excellent guide as seen HERE (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/pages/chip_id_v8.htm) It's interesting Wolf, about that 6spd bug in the SW... I may have to deal with that in the not-too-distant future when I run your programming.

I am definitely going to get you the .dab file, Wokke. I'm not turning back now. The pliers and pull thing was a huge help!

Cheers,
Thomas

Worth every penny. My ride is a beast with Wokke.