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740ilongnstrong 08-30-2007, 06:36 PM Does anyone have an 8 with a system in it? If so can you post some pics of the set up? Also when you hook it up if you have a 850 with the dual batteries do you still use the regular sized battery to hook the power wire (+) too and not use the smaller battery?
Thanks
farhod 08-30-2007, 07:02 PM why are you here....are you selling the e38 for an 8?? haha : ) 8s are beautiful though i dont blame ya
740ilongnstrong 08-30-2007, 07:07 PM LOL a guy was wanting to trade my car for one so I was just getting the questions out since I was possibly considering.
farhod 08-30-2007, 07:51 PM do itttt....although the 8 is going to be expensive to maintain they are very nice.....i would trade my car for that white 8 on here with the lambo doors...man that thing is pure sex
e31bubba 08-30-2007, 08:00 PM do itttt....although the 8 is going to be expensive to maintain they are very nice.....i would trade my car for that white 8 on here with the lambo doors...man that thing is pure sex
Have you seen mine mine is a cosmos black with lambo door with genuine dub brand chrome 19's staggered. to the OP one weird things about 8's is you can get weird computer codes when adding addl stereo equip. I also run Optimas for my stereo system. It's had a few currently running a Fosgate t1 with a Power series BD 1000/1 a little over 1000watts rms (real watts) digital cap all fosgate wiring complete dynmat etc .
740ilongnstrong 08-30-2007, 08:18 PM Can you elaborate on the wierd computer issues?
e31bubba 08-30-2007, 08:28 PM when i first got it installed my computer would blink seat back not latched or something like that now it says trunk lid open on and off. I asked my mechanic about it. He is from dinan and worked on every twin turbo they did. so he is very knowledgable about 8's and when it first happened I told him the code. (he didn't even know I had installed a new system) and he immediately asked if I had installed any new a/v equipment he said he saw it all the time at dinan
SupremeBein 08-30-2007, 08:30 PM Here is a couple of links to someone who has a nice system.
http://www.phoenixmotorsport.co.uk/Articles/greateight.php
http://www.phoenixmotorsport.co.uk/Articles/worth.php
farhod 08-30-2007, 08:36 PM Have you seen mine mine is a cosmos black with lambo door with genuine dub brand chrome 19's staggered. to the OP one weird things about 8's is you can get weird computer codes when adding addl stereo equip. I also run Optimas for my stereo system. It's had a few currently running a Fosgate t1 with a Power series BD 1000/1 a little over 1000watts rms (real watts) digital cap all fosgate wiring complete dynmat etc .
im not sure, its a white one with a black roof lambo doors, its sweet....can you post up a pic of yours?
farhod 08-30-2007, 08:38 PM it was rane2001's car that i fell in love with
Ahmed303 08-30-2007, 09:19 PM Depends on how far you want to go with this.
Extreme setups 1 (http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e31/6542263-1.html).
Extreme setups 2 (http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e31/6721573-1.html).
And My humble setup:
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Amp01.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Sub01.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Amp_Sub01.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Headunit1.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Headunit2.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Microphone.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Phoneswitch.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/Panasonic/Remote.JPG
740ilongnstrong 08-30-2007, 09:31 PM your set up is pretty cool Ahmed! The extreme set up look great I wish I had the skills to custom fab stuff like that!
e31bubba 08-31-2007, 11:18 PM im not sure, its a white one with a black roof lambo doors, its sweet....can you post up a pic of yours?
1st pic at the dub magazine show in one of my sponsor's booth Ostrich doors.
2nd pic new rims new interior
850iguy 09-01-2007, 08:39 AM i want lambo doors how u do it?
RANE2001 09-02-2007, 11:10 PM do itttt....although the 8 is going to be expensive to maintain they are very nice.....i would trade my car for that white 8 on here with the lambo doors...man that thing is pure sex
Thanks if your talking about my car :D
farhod 09-03-2007, 04:21 AM yea its your car......damn fuckn DOPE ass car man
Koizumi 09-04-2007, 12:22 AM I have a 10" JL woofer and a JL 500w amp in my E31. I can tell you that since the trunk (and the car in general) is so well sealed that the bass is waaaay too much. In fact, I have the amp set on the lowest possible setting, along with the settings on the CD43 head unit, and it hurts. With all of the windows up, there is way too much pressure.
I will be going back to the shop and I will have a smaller amp and smaller woofer installed.
For the record, I like bass. Big bass. But the E31 is so well sealed, it is literally a subwoofer enclosure. Keep that in mind when choosing a set up.
Koizumi 09-04-2007, 12:25 AM I suggest you try out various setups when choosing a system.
e31bubba 09-04-2007, 02:51 PM I have a 10" JL woofer and a JL 500w amp in my E31. I can tell you that since the trunk (and the car in general) is so well sealed that the bass is waaaay too much. In fact, I have the amp set on the lowest possible setting, along with the settings on the CD43 head unit, and it hurts. With all of the windows up, there is way too much pressure.
I will be going back to the shop and I will have a smaller amp and smaller woofer installed.
For the record, I like bass. Big bass. But the E31 is so well sealed, it is literally a subwoofer enclosure. Keep that in mind when choosing a set up.
Really that's odd. i am running a fosgate t1 with over 1000 watts rms and the bass is not nearly enough for me. but i am also an spl complettitor and run 3 15's with over 3000 watts in my daily driver so i guess bass is all relative.
I also had 3 Jl 10's in a sealed enclosure in the e31 and it was clean but not at all boomy.
Ahmed303 09-04-2007, 03:09 PM I agree with e31bubba. Initially the bass was not very tight in mine. But after lining the trunk with Dynamat the bass got better.
Koizumi 09-04-2007, 04:07 PM My setup delivers extreme pressure. The bass is very very tight, no tboomy at all. I have the bass turned all the way down and it the sub still exhudes deep pressure that actually hurts.
I have a full farad monster cap installed along with a JL 250/1 monoblock Class D amp and a 10" JL woofer in an enclosure.
Can you guys help me out maybe?
Also, I have lots of pics, but I cannot post them here because for some reason I do not have permission.
If anybody can tell me how to be granted permission, I would like to post pics here for you guys to see.
Cheers
Koizumi 09-04-2007, 04:22 PM I am planning on going back to the audio shop and having a different setup installed.
Arrrgh, wish I could post pics for you guys to see right now.
e31bubba 09-05-2007, 11:12 AM I am planning on going back to the audio shop and having a different setup installed.
Arrrgh, wish I could post pics for you guys to see right now.
how is the box faced forward, up, towards the rear? like Ahmed my trunk if fully lined with dynamt. I am running a fosgate digital cap also
Ahmed303 09-05-2007, 11:35 AM If he is getting tight base, my guess would be they are firing down with the Ski bag opening is working as a port.
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 11:49 AM Actually, my set up has the woofer facing towards the bumper (I tried various positions for the woofer). I did remove the ski bag and plastic assembly. There is no apparent difference in sound quality with the leather med kit cover in place or not (perhaps a hint less muddy with the med kit cover slightly opened).
I am very confused as to why the sound is utterly extreme, pressure-wise.
Maybe the overall system synergy is, well, not so hot?
JL 250/1 Amp + 10" woofer = no good for E31?
Or maybe the port via the ski opening is allowing ultra pressure into the main cabin, sorta like a bandpass enclosure?
If you guys can show me how to post pics here...
Ahmed303 09-05-2007, 12:19 PM Koizumi...E-Mail me the pictures to me and I will post them for you. I think this board requires a certain number of posts before you can post pictures.
faisal_b_ahmed@junk.com (Just replace the word "junk" with "hotmail")
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 12:27 PM Email with pics sent... Cheers
Ahmed303 09-05-2007, 12:43 PM Hmm!! It seems that your Ski Bag opening may be the cause of the bass. Can you plug it temporarily with a piece of metal lined with Dynamat or a piece of wood to see if that help?
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/koizumi/photo.jpg
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/koizumi/photo1.jpg
http://members.roadfly.com/faisal_in_laurel/koizumi/photo2.jpg
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Koizumi 09-05-2007, 01:00 PM I'm going to try your suggestion out right now.
Stay tuned.
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 02:03 PM Ahhh, it did make a difference. I stuffed the med kit with an old thick curtain and also with a couple of old t-shirts. And I reinstalled the ski door. I'm going to slap on some Dynamat this evening.
I notice that some program material, especially the radio, still has too much bass. I will return to the audio shop and I will have a potentiometer installed so that I can turn down the amount of power emanating from the amp. I think that this combination might work out.
I still have some weird crossover issues though. For example, when I play some CDs that I burned (vinyl LP rips), there is sometimes an unbearable low flutter from the woofer. This seems to occur in the silent passage of a given song right before it begins. It is not turntable rumble, since I do my vinyl rips with a suspended platter/chassis AR-XA turntable. There is no rumble at all with this turntable. For the record (no pun intended), I do my vinyl rips purely analog style using analog rack units/processors to eliminate pops, clicks and hiss; then the signal is burned "live' into a professional Tascam CD recording unit.
If anybody knows what frequency range that horrid flutter comes in at, I might be able to dial out the disturbance via the crossover?
I will take more pics when I complete this project.
I sincerey appreciate all of the help thus far.
Best regards from an E31 maniac.
Ahmed303 09-05-2007, 03:37 PM FM Radio will always have some flat bass. It is the nature of translating the Modulated frequency. Also I see that you have a single channel amp to drive the Sub with no amps supporting the other Speakers. You may be using the built in Amp of the Headunit which is not upto the task of balancing the signal. I would have used another amp to drive the Standard speakers.
Sorry I don't know much about Flutter frequency or LP to MP3 conversions. One thing you can try is to lower your conversion decibles for the MP3. When I convert my CD to MP3, my ripper allows me to set a db level. Mine is set to 90 db for any input that is greater than (or lower than) 90 db. That way all my MP3s have a balanced volume regardless of of the input level or quality.
e31bubba 09-05-2007, 07:26 PM Could he still be using the factory amp located on the left side of the trunk? I had issues when I tried to run the factory amp and the fosgate. I had to have them disconnect the factory amp
Ahmed303 09-05-2007, 07:59 PM Not sure. But I think we are thinking the same thing. The Factory Amp is a line level amp with 11 watts/channel at best. That will reduce the sound quality as well.
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 08:23 PM I am using the factory amp with the CD43 head unit. The factory sound quality is quite good without the sub. The CD43 unit makes the factory speaker system sound way better than the original cassette headunit that I removed.
The sub does sound a bit better with the ski passage blocked, thanks for the advice on that.
The factory amp + CD43 sound great (I know that changing out the amp would be better). The sub still sounds too powerful for any music that is deemed as "bassy" music.
Could the answer be a step down converter to potentiometer to adjust the monoblock amp on the fly? If I swap out the factory amp with a nice JL Audio amp, wouldn't that make the system overall too powerfull? In otherwords, say I wanted to listen to the radio at low volume, would I be able to hear the music with nice bass as opposed to the way it is now (too much bass even at low volume?)
I'm utterly confused here.
e31bubba 09-05-2007, 08:29 PM I am using the factory amp with the CD43 head unit. The factory sound quality is quite good without the sub. The CD43 unit makes the factory speaker system sound way better than the original cassette headunit that I removed.
The sub does sound a bit better with the ski passage blocked, thanks for the advice on that.
The factory amp + CD43 sound great (I know that changing out the amp would be better). The sub still sounds too powerful for any music that is deemed as "bassy" music.
Could the answer be a step down converter to potentiometer to adjust the monoblock amp on the fly? If I swap out the factory amp with a nice JL Audio amp, wouldn't that make the system overall too powerfull? In otherwords, say I wanted to listen to the radio at low volume, would I be able to hear the music with nice bass as opposed to the way it is now (too much bass even at low volume?)
I'm utterly confused here.
I believe what you might need is a seperate crossover so you can adjust the HZ so they don't go as low and therefore play a different type of bass. with a higher frequency it won't "hit" as hard.
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 08:57 PM I will investigate that option.
I'm also considering starting over, returning the JL Audio 250/1 monoblock amp and purchasing the JL Audio 500/5 5-channel amp. Maybe by replacing the stock amp with the JL 500/5, I can achieve overall better system synergy. I'll keep the 10" JL Audio woofer and enclosure as well as the 1 farad cap.
e31bubba 09-05-2007, 09:06 PM I will investigate that option.
I'm also considering starting over, returning the JL Audio 250/1 monoblock amp and purchasing the JL Audio 500/5 5-channel amp. Maybe by replacing the stock amp with the JL 500/5, I can achieve overall better system synergy. I'll keep the 10" JL Audio woofer and enclosure as well as the 1 farad cap.
which jl woofer are you using what version w0, w3 etc?
Koizumi 09-05-2007, 09:53 PM Very good question. I can't recall. I can tell you that it is not their top of the line version, it is within their "upper middle" bracket.
Koizumi 09-15-2007, 10:20 PM Well, I did end up scooping up a JL Audio 300/4 to compliment the JL Audio 250/1 amp.
I also slapped Dynamat in every open trunk hole and sealed up the ski pass hole.
I installed a potentiometer on the 250/1 amp, so now the sub volume is much better synced with the stock cabin system.
I am going to install the JL Audio 300/4 with MB Quart speakers. It's time to upgrade the weak OEM drivers and puny amp.
I've been having big problems with my DICE unit (now it suddenly is kaput). I've tried every possible troubleshooting measures - to no avail. So, I am returning it for exchange (thanks Tom from EAS).
Hopefully in the next couple of weeks, the system will be done and I will share pictures here.
Cheers
8eights 10-14-2007, 01:50 PM My system is simple! Alpine Iva-D901, Alpine Era-G320 Sound processor, Alpine S634 MP3 changer, Alpine TCS-V430A TV tuner, Fosgate T162s-6 1/2 components in the kick panels, Fosgate T168s- 6x8 rear deck components, Fosgate 3.5" Mid base in the door cards, 2 12" P3 Fosgate Subs, Fosgate 8004 amp for the components and a Fosgate 1500Bd amp for the subs...
Sounds great, Will post some pics soon.
Koizumi 10-14-2007, 03:08 PM Post pics!
I've decided for sure that I'm gonna install 5-1/4 in the front and 6.25 in the rear. MB Quart or ADS. I've got a JL Audio 300/4 waiting for the speakers. My sub sounds great now that I have a potentiometer installed to control/match output.
DICE unit is up and runnin' great now.
8eights 10-14-2007, 03:37 PM Today's power components don't like enclosures, If you remove the enclosures there will be plenty of room for a larger speaker! If not I would recommend a wood cut out to keep the speaker sounding nice and tight.http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3521/fsubhd4.jpg
Koizumi 10-14-2007, 11:14 PM Yes, I will remove the stock (aperiodic???) enclosures. I'm going to have wooden frames made to fit. I figure 5.25 in front and 6.5 in the rear. It ain't easy finding A/D/S/ speakers. I would like to slap in the A/D/S 345cs + 346cs. Might have to go for MB Quart QSD Series instead since they are more common. I'm tryin' to avoid sharp/bright speakers since the #1 enemy is listening fatigue due to those metal tweeters.
Anybody know how the A/D/S stack up tweeter-wise against the MB Quart QSD metal tweeters?
Fatandre 10-20-2007, 08:49 AM Damn. Those setups are nice. I would put a original bmw radio thou. Looks much better.
8eights 10-22-2007, 01:32 PM Original radio? No MP3, No Nav plug in, Ipod plug in? There's a lot of nice audio out there to be dealing with an old Cassette player, Just my opinion!
Koizumi 10-22-2007, 09:20 PM I use the DICE iPod adapter with my CD43 unit, works great.
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