I recently took delivery of my second X5 (2007 X5 4.8i). I previously owned a 2003 X5 4.6is and loved it more than any car I've ever owned. However, I am having a few concerns with the new computer controlled Transmission. It would seem that BMW just introduced a "Drive by Wire" system in these new X5's (I am guessing that there are other 2007 BMW that have this as well). Pardon me for sounding like and old man (I'm at the ripe age of 33) but I remember when you pressed on the gas pedal, it pulled a cable which then controlled acceleration via fuel injection in a 1 to 1 ratio (or at least in a consistent ratio of Pressure to acceleration). In the new “Drive by Wire” system, acceleration is computer controlled, so when u press on the gas pedal, a computer decides how and when to accelerate. I would normally think that the computer would respond quickly and precisely but I have often noticed lag-time in response as well as different accelerations for the same pedal pressure. I’m a bit concerned BMW opted from the slower computer. I once felt confident that when entering fast flowing traffic, exiting a parking spot or driveway, or that occasional bad decision to pull out in front of on coming cars (we all make that mistake from time to time) that I could accelerate quickly enough to escape danger and merge with the flow. However, I am now uncertain of my cars response to such situation. Technically it may be only 1 or 2 second delay but it’s very noticeable and more so, inconsistent and “unreliable”. What really makes the car “unreliable” is that there have also been plenty of instances where I’ve press on the gas-pedal and the car takes off like a bat out of hell. I own a BMW... "A Driving Machine"... which now sometimes seems to responds sluggish like a Hyundai. I think this “Drive by Wire” System really needs to be updated. It seems like a real liability to have a vehicle that is not completely controlled by the actions of it’s driver. Perhaps I was lured into a false sense of security with my previous X5?
I took my car into Nick Alexander BMW and was literally told that my gripe was legit and that it’s simply a new way of driving that I would have to get use to.
I apologize for the long rant here but I’d like to know if anyone else out there feels similarly and can perhaps better describe what they’re noticing and even be a bit more specific on what’s going on.
Thanks for reading.
-ROD

Unfortunately Nick Alexander is right, the lag is common to all drive by wire systems. It's not a 1 or 2 second lag - it may be a .5 second that just feels like 2 seconds. Just long enough for your brain to start to think "What the F**K!!" but it only gets through the "What" before the vehicle actually starts to accelerate.


Try "rolling" on the throttle. Drive by wire systems respond better to a controlled quick application than to a panic stomping of the gas pedal (like when you pull out and realize the guy coming at you is going faster than you thought). You will get used to it.

bmw has been using drive by wire system since 1999, your previous engine also had a drive by wire system similar to the one on the new x5, just with a different engine management system. if you want to test drive a 2005 or 2006 x5 4.8is, the throttle is like an on off switch. this is due to the quick responce of the valvetronic motors in the engine. in the future, a software solution may be available if many customers complain about the lag in throttle response.

Dear Killcrap,

Thank you very much for your response to both of my postings. As I mentioned in the other one, I did get a software update (I think it was called something like "Program 26" but I'm fairly certain that really isn't specific enough). Is it possible for the User (vehicle owner) to find the current software version in their vehicle as well as the most recent version available?

Any additional details would be very appreciated.
• PUMA Case Numbers, Replacement Module Numbers, Software Version Numbers, any additional BMW terminology that my service advisor will understand.

IMPORTANT: I'd like to encourage everyone who is having a similar issue to post a response to this message. I'm hoping with enough support we can get BMW to prioritize and address our concerns.

Thank you!

-ROD

Believe me, they get complaints about the drive by wire every day, and have since it came out. I don't know if it is that either some people just can't get used to it or if some vehicles exhibit issues that can't be gotten rid of while others never do.

thats how my 2007 x3 3.0 si is and igot it programed its a little better u get used to it but ehh lol um but goin up a hill i feel the truck is like holding back struggling

I too think this is crap and I have been pushing my service advisor to get me the updates. There is an updated patch that will update your transmission to more current version than what coming off the factory assembly line as of recently. The only way to have it covered by warrantee is to say the buzz words that indicate you know what’s really wrong with that part of the car and then they look that up to find a patch!! So what worked for me in was constant bitching and being a dick! I needed an update to my traffic info saying “Tranfering Messages…” and with my strong words they are going to install all new programming in my car… Still won’t fix the transmission lag he thought but told me to accelerate in sport mode and drive in normal will get the cleanest ride in my 07 x5. How lame is the driving experience if you have to do this to make the drive even be safe? Shame on BMW, I’ll look at more sUv’s prior to my next purchase… Too much money spent to get such a poorly performing transmission.

There are no current bulletins pertaining to this concern. And drive by wire is anything but new technology.

motoracr22,
Perhaps it is not NEW technology and if so, this concerns me even more. Would you agree that this means BMW has taken something that worked extremely well in the past and made it less functional? (Assuming you've experienced the issue described in the above thread.)
-ROD

I too think this is crap and I have been pushing my service advisor to get me the updates. There is an updated patch that will update your transmission to more current version than what coming off the factory assembly line as of recently. The only way to have it covered by warrantee is to say the buzz words that indicate you know what’s really wrong with that part of the car and then they look that up to find a patch!! So what worked for me in was constant bitching and being a dick! I needed an update to my traffic info saying “Tranfering Messages…” and with my strong words they are going to install all new programming in my car… Still won’t fix the transmission lag he thought but told me to accelerate in sport mode and drive in normal will get the cleanest ride in my 07 x5. How lame is the driving experience if you have to do this to make the drive even be safe? Shame on BMW, I’ll look at more sUv’s prior to my next purchase… Too much money spent to get such a poorly performing transmission.
Updates won't necessarily fix anything. You can yell and scream all you want, but we can't wave our magic wand and create a software fix for your complaint.

The only advice I can give is to be patient and encourage others to speak up about it. If it's as big of a problem as everyone seems to think it is, I'm sure BMW will find a fix. They're pretty good about that.

P.S. There are 4 BMW techs replying to this thread. I think this is a record.

that lag sucks!
it's worst that what i experience in my 2 civics and i complained about it in them from day 1. never thought the bimmer would be like that or worst.
big surprise.

what's even worst is that i had to tow it in this morning after taking delivery on thursday night!!! transmission related probably.

park brake malfunction
awd + dsc malfunction
rear view camera malfunction
and some other malfunctions i can't remember
5 falfunctions in all popped up on the screen after 2 days (friday + sat.) of ownership. it won't even start!

the parking brake modules are faulty on some of the x5's, this causes the DSC lamp, Park lamp to come on. Some rear view cameras are going bad also. You must manually unlock the parking brakes to drive the vehicle.that lag sucks!
it's worst that what i experience in my 2 civics and i complained about it in them from day 1. never thought the bimmer would be like that or worst.
big surprise.

what's even worst is that i had to tow it in this morning after taking delivery on thursday night!!! transmission related probably.

park brake malfunction
awd + dsc malfunction
rear view camera malfunction
and some other malfunctions i can't remember
5 falfunctions in all popped up on the screen after 2 days (friday + sat.) of ownership. it won't even start!

Updates won't necessarily fix anything. You can yell and scream all you want, but we can't wave our magic wand and create a software fix for your complaint.

The only advice I can give is to be patient and encourage others to speak up about it. If it's as big of a problem as everyone seems to think it is, I'm sure BMW will find a fix. They're pretty good about that.

P.S. There are 4 BMW techs replying to this thread. I think this is a record.

So with some firm pressure the car was taken back by BMW for service on a few different software issues and low and behold they also uploaded the transmission software. I've run the car for 3 weeks now and will say I now love my X5... Still the 3.0 is not an M powered car and does have a standard delay in acceleration but they fixed the real issue with my car. I no longer think "am I going to get power?" Now it's driving like a BMW should drive, responsive.

Yay! I'm glad you got it resolved. :)

I have a 05 X5 4.4 and from day one it has had a serious thunk/clunk from time to time. It feels like some one has rear ended you. It's been in over 5 times for updates. Still does it. My wife doesn't like to dirve it. Give us back the throttle cable until BMW can do it right!

So with some firm pressure the car was taken back by BMW for service on a few different software issues and low and behold they also uploaded the transmission software. I've run the car for 3 weeks now and will say I now love my X5... Still the 3.0 is not an M powered car and does have a standard delay in acceleration but they fixed the real issue with my car. I no longer think "am I going to get power?" Now it's driving like a BMW should drive, responsive.


Yea, V27.2 has been out for about a month now. Quite a few updates in there. I replaced the EMF on an E70 this week that had been delivered in July and it updated damn near every module in the car.

Hi all, this is my first post on this forum, so here goes. In my E60 forum we have discussed the issue of Drive By Wire lag many times, and we have a fix. Step 1, turn the ignition key to the position JUST BEFORE starting the engine. Step 2, push the gas pedal to the floor and hold it there for 30 to 40 seconds. Some people hear a "click" at this time, some do not, this seems to have NO effect on the fix. This automatically resets the transmission to factory specs. The transmission is the "adaptive" type and it learns from how we drive and reacts appropriately (or inappropriately if you will). Now just start the car as normal and it should feel like new, with no delay in acceleration. I did this on my 2005 545i, and it worked like a charm. Let me know how it works for all of you!

Give us back the throttle cable until BMW can do it right!That would be great if your engine actually had a throttle.;)

Didi anybody here try the DBW fix I suggested? Let me know!

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I have an 07 E70 4.8 with about 10k and have been experiencing these same issues since taking delivery. Has been in at least 7 times now. I have ver 27 of the software but there has never been any mention of new "transmission software". Dealer has said that there are no fault codes. Regional intervention has helped on a few other issues but this one persists. Think there are many with this issue as I have been in several email chats with others experiencing the same issues, i.e. high revving and hunting for downshift or upshift issues. Happens frequently on hills.

Dear Flyingpuck,
I did try your "DBW Fix" and I can't tell if it worked or if I've just gotten use to the way my X5 throttles. Although still a bit sluggish at times, I feel there has been an overall improvement in responsiveness. Just to let you know I did not hear a click and there was no indication of a reset when I did what you described above. Regardless, I do think it drives better, so THANK YOU.
-ROD
PS: When I mentioned this to my service advisor he had never heard of this method to reset the Transmission. Go Figure.

If anyone else has tried this, I'd love to hear how and/or if it worked for you.

There is no such method to reset anything.

Dear Flyingpuck,
I did try your "DBW Fix" and I can't tell if it worked or if I've just gotten use to the way my X5 throttles. Although still a bit sluggish at times, I feel there has been an overall improvement in responsiveness. Just to let you know I did not hear a click and there was no indication of a reset when I did what you described above. Regardless, I do think it drives better, so THANK YOU.
-ROD
PS: When I mentioned this to my service advisor he had never heard of this method to reset the Transmission. Go Figure.

If anyone else has tried this, I'd love to hear how and/or if it worked for you.


That's because "Flyingpuck" is a psychology major and he just made up that procedure to see if it would fool you into thinking the car drove better when in reality, it never drove bad to begin with. It was part of his thesis paper or final exam or something.

Flyingpuck: I hope you got an A. Your theory seems to have been proven.

(Placebo - Table for one please....)

There is no such method to reset anything.


+1

Anybody taking bets on whether or not Ewrrod's X5 goes back to having a delay?

I've posted to many BMW related Blogs before, but I must say this is a rather suspicious and self-absorbed bunch here. I added the procedure for the DBW fix in a honest attempt to HELP OTHER PEOPLE, not to have some so-called experts poke fun at the attempt. You can say that you don't believe, or that this kind of fix does not exist, that is your privilege, but I am sincere in my suggestion that this DOES WORK. I would not waste my time or the time of others here just for fun. On the E60 blog I belong to, it is not mocked, it is actually accepted as a useful tool, unlike the "Tools" around here. I originally joined this blog to get information on the new 2008 X5 we just bought, but I can see that unless I want my information with a healthy dose of attempted bullying of new members by bloated older members, I should go elsewhere. May those of you that I refer to, drown in your ignorance. The DBW Fix Works! Those of you with open minds, enjoy the simple fix built into your wonderful cars.

I'm glad somebody here was wise enough to try this fix. On both my 2005 545i and my 2008 X5, it works quickly and efficiently, and without the need to go to the dealer and wait for their "software fix" to be tried yet again. These transmissions are adaptive, so they "learn" your driving style and react appropriately. You are to be commended, as it seems the rest of the members here are more concerned with "Knowing more" than the next guy instead of actually being a helpful BMW community. As for the BMW rep at the dealership, NOBODY at my dealership knew anything about this fix, though they all wanted to know exactly how to perform it.

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Adaptive Hydraulic Pressure Control
Pressure adaptation has been a feature of ZF automatic transmissions since the 4HP22EH.
The TCM will maximize shift quality by adapting to transmission wear over time. The TCM
will adjust transmission shift pressures to compensate for wear in the multi-plate clutches.
This is accomplished by monitoring the input and output speeds of the transmission. When
the transmission shifts, the TCM monitors the time that it takes to accomplish the shift. The
time change in gear ratio is monitored and compared to an internal time value in the TCM.
If the ratio change takes more time than the stored value, the TCM will compensate by
adjusting the transmission shift pressures via the EDS valve solenoids. The adaptation
value is stored in the TCM. This adaptation values can only be cleared by the diagnostic
tester (DIS plus or GT-1).
Note: DO NOT clear adaptation values unless directed to do so by technical assistance.
Clearing pressure adaptations should not be done to resolve a customer
complaint. The only time that you would need to do so is after a transmission or
valve body replacement or software change.
Also it is important not to confuse pressure adaptation with AGS features. AGS
features will be discussed later in this chapter. AGS features are not stored on a
long term basis and will not be cleared when the pressure adaptations are
cleared. Note: Driving style is NOT stored.


Adaptive Features (AGS)
AGS features were introduced in 1994 with the A5S560Z transmission. AGS control consists
of adaptive features that will modify transmission operation according to various factors.
AGS operation can be influenced by two major functional groups:
• Driver influenced features (influenced by throttle and kickdown input)
• Environmental influences (such as road conditions - icy, traffic etc.)
The driving program selection is not adapted on a long term basis - nor is it stored
in the control module memory when the ignition is switched off. It continually
changes as the driver of the vehicle changes driving habits.

Regardless of all the technical mumbo-jumbo, the DBW fix does work. Why does no technician at any dealership know about this? I can't explain, but I do know from my experience and the experiences of MANY others, that the fix works to reset the transmission to original specs. To claim you know it all proves that you really don't. How could ANYONE know everything about a device as complex as a car? Especially one as complex as a BMW? I'm not asking YOU to try this, you obviously don't want to believe it works, but why disillusion all the other members here when a free, easy to perform reset can alleviate their drivability issues? Let them decide for themselves, next you'll state that the world is flat!

.......I’m a bit concerned BMW opted from the slower computer. I once felt confident that when entering fast flowing traffic, exiting a parking spot or driveway, or that occasional bad decision to pull out in front of on coming cars (we all make that mistake from time to time) that I could accelerate quickly enough to escape danger and merge with the flow. ......
-ROD

Hi Rod, I just wanted to add that the standard time to react according to AASHTO, American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, is 2.5 seconds. I design roads and when determining safe sight distance for road intersections this is the number we use, along with a bunch of other variables. Basically it takes the average person 2.5 seconds to decide on an action. So in your case you need to allow the oncoming traffic 2.5 seconds to decide on applying brakes and then the appropriate braking distance as a function of the oncoming vehicle, which as you know can vary widely.

When your out there driving you need to keep in mind that the others may not have the same reaction times you have. If you can wait for that car before pulling out - do it, grandma may have just got her new cell phone, with text messaging, and her new reaction time is 6 seconds

our 04 x5 accelerated strangely when we first got it. it would jump with the slightest application of the throttle. now it is smooth and linear. I seem to think it has "learned" a driving style as well. I know that doesn't help, but maybe your x5 will "learn" your driving style as well.

or you'll get used to it.......

P.S. There are 4 BMW techs replying to this thread. I think this is a record.


Well, in that case, I guess I should chime in and make it 5. We too have had several complaints about the way the E70's drive and shift. We even had our FSE out here recently to test drive one that the customer just wouldn't give up on. As per the FSE, that is how the transmission is made, and supposed to shift, so there was nothing else we could do about it.

I seem to think it has "learned" a driving style as well. I know that doesn't help, but maybe your x5 will "learn" your driving style as well.It doesn't learn anything. It'll make short-term adaptations based on throttle application, but it doesn't store anything once the key is turned off.

our 04 x5 accelerated strangely when we first got it. it would jump with the slightest application of the throttle. now it is smooth and linear. I seem to think it has "learned" a driving style as well. I know that doesn't help, but maybe your x5 will "learn" your driving style as well.

or you'll get used to it.......

I'm thinking you adapted to it. (See also the quote below)

We had probably a dozen or so customers that just wouldn't let it go that it's just how they are and kept bringing the car back several times saying that it just wasn't right. So after a couple of times of us telling them that just how they are and them telling us it just wasn't right, we'd have them leave it overnight so our "area amnager" could come and do the "special adaptation technique" that BMW had developed (there was no such procedure). We'd just leave the car in the lot overnight and call them the next afternoon and let them know it was "fixed" (even though we had done nothing to it). Without exception, they came and got their vehicles, and the next time in, when asked, they said their vehicle now accellerated much more smoothly and thanked us for getting the "area manager" involved.

It doesn't learn anything. It'll make short-term adaptations based on throttle application, but it doesn't store anything once the key is turned off.

That's because "Flyingpuck" is a psychology major and he just made up that procedure to see if it would fool you into thinking the car drove better when in reality, it never drove bad to begin with. It was part of his thesis paper or final exam or something.

Flyingpuck: I hope you got an A. Your theory seems to have been proven.

(Placebo - Table for one please....)


I'm sticking with this theory.

How's the thesis coming? Oh, that's why you asked for input a second time after you put up the "procedure". You needed to prove your theory.....

Regardless of all the technical mumbo-jumbo, the DBW fix does work. Why does no technician at any dealership know about this? I can't explain, but I do know from my experience and the experiences of MANY others, that the fix works to reset the transmission to original specs. To claim you know it all proves that you really don't. How could ANYONE know everything about a device as complex as a car? Especially one as complex as a BMW? I'm not asking YOU to try this, you obviously don't want to believe it works, but why disillusion all the other members here when a free, easy to perform reset can alleviate their drivability issues? Let them decide for themselves, next you'll state that the world is flat!


I love how since it's called "technical mumbo-jumbo" by someone that obviously doesn't know better, that makes it bunk. Just because you say it works, doesn't mean it does (in much the same way that just because we say it doesn't work, you don't believe that it doesn't).

I love how since it's called "technical mumbo-jumbo" by someone that obviously doesn't know better, that makes it bunk. Just because you say it works, doesn't mean it does (in much the same way that just because we say it doesn't work, you don't believe that it doesn't).

Using overly technical language to try and intimidate or overwhelm others in a general language blog amounts to mumbo-jumbo. Its unneeded and simply an attempt to preclude any responses to your post so as to make it seem unimpeachable. People here are not simply lemmings following the posts of someone so closed minded, they can and will make their own decisions and many of them WILL find the DBW fix a simple remedy to a problem that most of us who own DBW cars can relate to. I'm not sure why you need to try and shoot down the proposition that the car can be fixed in this manner, I don't recall addressing the post to you specifically, and yet you still take the time to try and poke holes in the theory. If I were you, I wouldn't care about something I didn't believe in, and would let others make their decisions for themselves. Even if they tried it and it didn't work, or even if it did work, I would not be personally invested in it so why would I get involved when a solution I didn't agree with was presented? Aside from "Personal Glory", I just don't know why you must lash out, but if it makes you feel better, or more of an adult, then you just keep at it, (its no problem to me), but perhaps personal opinions about people YOU DON'T KNOW, should be kept to a minimum.

Using overly technical language to try and intimidate or overwhelm others in a general language blog amounts to mumbo-jumbo. Its unneeded and simply an attempt to preclude any responses to your post so as to make it seem unimpeachable. People here are not simply lemmings following the posts of someone so closed minded, they can and will make their own decisions and many of them WILL find the DBW fix a simple remedy to a problem that most of us who own DBW cars can relate to. I'm not sure why you need to try and shoot down the proposition that the car can be fixed in this manner, I don't recall addressing the post to you specifically, and yet you still take the time to try and poke holes in the theory. If I were you, I wouldn't care about something I didn't believe in, and would let others make their decisions for themselves. Even if they tried it and it didn't work, or even if it did work, I would not be personally invested in it so why would I get involved when a solution I didn't agree with was presented? Aside from "Personal Glory", I just don't know why you must lash out, but if it makes you feel better, or more of an adult, then you just keep at it, (its no problem to me), but perhaps personal opinions about people YOU DON'T KNOW, should be kept to a minimum.

Except that this mentality is the kind of thinking that allows politicians to decide whether or not someone can get an abortion, or smoke a cigarette in an open-air stadium. Or any one of a thousand other scenarios where those that aren't affected directly don't take a stand. Your reset procedure is simply non-existent. No, it doesn't affect me, but I'm not just going to stand around while you spead misinformation. As far as"personal glory" goes, I don't give a rat's ass if people try it - hell, I tried it myself just to see if I'd missed something! - and then find out it doesn't work.

If this is such "misinformation", why does an entire E60 forum swear by it? IT WORKS!, thats why! I've never encountered such strong opposition by someone who swears he "Does not give a rat's ass" if so, step out of the way, just because you can't seem to be able to make this work, does not mean that it does not work for others. As of right now, well over 18,000 members have read the thread and used the fix, mostly with great success. The fact that not all of them could make this work is a testament to the fact that it has to be done correctly. Now I don't claim to know everything about our BMW's, but to be so pigheaded as to insist that this is non-existent in the face of literally thousands of successful resets, just points to some ulterior motive on your part. I hope you find what it is that you are searching for to make yourself happy. As for me, I will keep plugging away telling people about a fix I myself and thousands of others have performed for free on our cars, despite the ranting of disbelievers like yourself. I also assure you that this will be the last time I spend my time addressing you directly as it is a colossal waste of my time, tolerance and the well-being of this blog.

If this is such "misinformation", why does an entire E60 forum swear by it? IT WORKS!, thats why! I've never encountered such strong opposition by someone who swears he "Does not give a rat's ass" if so, step out of the way, just because you can't seem to be able to make this work, does not mean that it does not work for others. As of right now, well over 18,000 members have read the thread and used the fix, mostly with great success. The fact that not all of them could make this work is a testament to the fact that it has to be done correctly. Now I don't claim to know everything about our BMW's, but to be so pigheaded as to insist that this is non-existent in the face of literally thousands of successful resets, just points to some ulterior motive on your part. I hope you find what it is that you are searching for to make yourself happy. As for me, I will keep plugging away telling people about a fix I myself and thousands of others have performed for free on our cars, despite the ranting of disbelievers like yourself. I also assure you that this will be the last time I spend my time addressing you directly as it is a colossal waste of my time, tolerance and the well-being of this blog.


That last part is too bad, because I was just looking for a good argument and you have been a worthy adversary... OB Wan. :(

If this is such "misinformation", why does an entire E60 forum swear by it? IT WORKS!, thats why! I've never encountered such strong opposition by someone who swears he "Does not give a rat's ass" if so, step out of the way, just because you can't seem to be able to make this work, does not mean that it does not work for others. As of right now, well over 18,000 members have read the thread and used the fix, mostly with great success. The fact that not all of them could make this work is a testament to the fact that it has to be done correctly. Now I don't claim to know everything about our BMW's, but to be so pigheaded as to insist that this is non-existent in the face of literally thousands of successful resets, just points to some ulterior motive on your part. I hope you find what it is that you are searching for to make yourself happy. As for me, I will keep plugging away telling people about a fix I myself and thousands of others have performed for free on our cars, despite the ranting of disbelievers like yourself. I also assure you that this will be the last time I spend my time addressing you directly as it is a colossal waste of my time, tolerance and the well-being of this blog.
I don't know who you are or what makes you think you're such an expert, but like Critter7r, I am also skeptical. You can continue to be defensive and argue and preach about your amazing reset, but until I see written documentation from BMW stating that your "reset" is, indeed, legitimate, I will stand by Critter7r and say that I don't believe you. You seem so convinced that I actually asked my local BMW technical rep. about it, and he had no idea what I was talking about. The placebo effect really is quite amazing.

Kellie, I never claimed to be an expert, but I do know what I know. I have no vested interest in whether people here believe this fix "exists" or not. My only beef here is the "regulars" on this blog who want to squash an idea without actually reaping the benefit. I know that when I took ownership of my CPO 545i, it did not smoothly accelerate from a stop. I read about this DBW fix on another blog and tried it, and the result was immediate and made the car the total joy it is to drive today. Once again, I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN EXPERT, there are enough who claim this here already. All I did claim is that for those having the same problem, try this free fix and reap the benefits. I know from experience that the dealer does not always know everything there is to know about these cars, as they are SO complex. How many of us have had to wait for yet another "software fix" for our cars that didn't work? The SA's at my dealership were quite interested in this as they had never heard about it before. They were excited to try it too I might add. I also want to add, none of you "experts" here have ever successfully explained why I would want to "Fleece the flock". What could I possibly have to gain from it? I have NO personal agenda here, I'm a BMW fan like the rest of you, I just wanted to be helpful and useful too. So align yourself with those you are comfortable with, I don't expect any of the "Old Guard" here to be swayed, and honestly I don't care if you are or not. All I want is to inform open minded individuals here to a simple, free and effective fix for their DBW vehicles. As for the "placebo" effect, rhetoric like that is the bastion of those who have NO intent of making the blog a better place for anyone but THEMSELF. Again I have no idea why people here are so against change and improvement except the personal notion must be that they are perfection incarnate. Albert Einstein said it best "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds." That is also true for ideas outside the comfort-level of the few.

I wish this thread had a reset button...

As for the "placebo" effect, rhetoric like that is the bastion of those who have NO intent of making the blog a better place for anyone but THEMSELF.

:rolleyes Right-o. Well, mister long-paragraphs, I know you were on your way out and I'd hate to keep you. Ta-ta.