cruising down rt7 in va, light drizzle, night time around 9pm i see a red supra roll up next to me.

o dears no.. he kepts looking over, thats what i my friend kept saying. we are sorta in the middle of a town, shopping centers, lots of cops. we line up.. we were both waiting for someone to jump just cruising.. pass a cop.. fcuk me! i almost went to jail.

well 1 mile up the road.. it clears up.. i slowly go up to 90mph.. supra follows..

its on like donkey kong.. slow down to 60mph in 3rd gear.. supra lines up on the left.. i knew i was going to get raped .. i wanted to know how bad

we both punch it.. supra in 1 sec, half a car, 70 1car, 80, 1.5cars 90 2.5cars .. 100 3cars..

lol rape! we lined up again.. at 40 this time.. rape! i went up to about 100.. i kept thinking no way hes full boost, its wet as shit outside.. i flash my highbeams with my right signal he turns into a gas station i follow.

cool asian dude, has 50,000miles on his.. red supra, trd hood, wing.. pushing low boost 350rwhp.. all bolt ons, boost controller, advan rs 18x11 wheels.. toyo t1r tires...

i enjoyed my rape .. leaving the gas station he busts a full u-turn drift, i follow, fun

I want a 2jZ so badly but I can't bring myself to give up the E36.

Supras are the shit

2jz gte FTMFW! :buttrock

i could hear his blow off valve teasing me .. that sound is tearing my mind apart

supra raped me!! I LOVE IT.




You little whore.

supra raped me!! I LOVE IT.




You little whore.
:lol
+1

sigh .. its true.. am a whore for turbos..

sigh .. its true.. am a whore for turbos..

drop 1 in your car, and the next time you see him you'll be returning the favor.:stickoutt

drop 1 in your car, and the next time you see you'll be returning the favor.:stickoutt

I second this.

cruising down rt7 in va, light drizzle, night time around 9pm i see a red supra roll up next to me.

o dears no.. he kepts looking over, thats what i my friend kept saying. we are sorta in the middle of a town, shopping centers, lots of cops. we line up.. we were both waiting for someone to jump just cruising.. pass a cop.. fcuk me! i almost went to jail.

well 1 mile up the road.. it clears up.. i slowly go up to 90mph.. supra follows..

its on like donkey kong.. slow down to 60mph in gear.. supra lines up on the left.. i knew i was going to get raped .. i wanted to know how bad

we both punch it.. supra in 1 sec, half a car, 70 1car, 80, 1.5cars 90 2.5cars .. 100 3cars..

lol rape! we lined up again.. at 40 this time.. rape! i went up to about 100.. i kept thinking no way hes full boost, its wet as shit outside.. i flash my highbeams with my right signal he turns into a gas station i follow.

cool asian dude, has 50,000miles on his.. red supra, trd hood, wing.. pushing low boost 350rwhp.. all bolt ons, boost controller, advan rs 18x11 wheels.. toyo t1r tires...

i enjoyed my rape .. leaving the gas station he busts a full u-turn drift, i follow, fun

I think I know the guy. I believed he sold his STi to get that Supra. I work at a performance where we mounted and balanced his new set of wheels/tires. Yep, from what I saw last time, the car was pretty stock.

sigh .. its true.. am a whore for turbos..

I dont blame you. Ive never owned an NA car in my life. :confused

I tore up a lightly modded supra (500hp) in the 240. but that supra is now past 900hp >.>

Don't really get the huge boner over supras. They aren't bad, but they're a hell of a lot more than I would want to pay.

And the 2JZ engine was not touched by the hand of God. There are many other engines out there that can hold some serious power on the stock bottom end.

But, nice rape. Way to take it like a man :p

i'd give my left nut for a twin turbo supra.......(which would be a single turbo shortly after......)

supras are bad ass.

Am I the only one that thinks Supras are not a manifestation of God himself? Shit, you could turbo an S52 M3 and have a much better-handling car, 600 rwhp, and everything else a Supra offers, at 1/5th of the price. :dunno

Am I the only one that thinks Supras are not a manifestation of God himself? Shit, you could turbo an S52 M3 and have a much better-handling car, 600 rwhp, and everything else a Supra offers, at 1/5th of the price. :dunno
Do you know how easy it is to get 600whp out of a supra? 1/5th the price? I suggest you go do some math.

Yes yes, haven't tore up a Supra in my M3 yet (doubt I could with the amount of mods) but I've eaten my fair share of Supra Twin Turbos.

Then again, I'm running a 400RWHP motor in my '89 240SX. There's a GT2871R sitting underneath that Helix manifold. Yes yes yes, I know I should of went top-mount LordoftheRoad.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2402/enginelu8.jpg


Hahahhaa....good times.

Do you know how easy it is to get 600whp out of a supra? 1/5th the price? I suggest you go do some math.

How about you go do some research on Autotrader to find how much the initial investment is in a well-kept, low-mileage Supra TT? :)

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189382471&dealer_id=570931&car_year=1993&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=2413

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=224136699&dealer_id=60366663&car_year=1997&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=2264

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=218733637&dealer_id=59693079&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=187 (:rofl insanity)

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217885706&dealer_id=59591629&car_year=1997&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=1622

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=212272895&dealer_id=58864903&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=1308

Even though those look like some well maintained Supra's. There is no way in hell I would spend that kind of money on one. Even though the Supra can be a monster, I would rather buy something a little more exotic for that kind of money.
The funny thing is, the grass is always greener on the other side. If you go over to some Supra forums or motor sites, a lot of guys are swapping in the 1uz engine. Just goes to show, there is no replacement for displacement and # of cylinders....

How about you go do some research on Autotrader to find how much the initial investment is in a well-kept, low-mileage Supra TT? :)

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189382471&dealer_id=570931&car_year=1993&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=2413

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=224136699&dealer_id=60366663&car_year=1997&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=2264

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=218733637&dealer_id=59693079&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=187 (:rofl insanity)

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217885706&dealer_id=59591629&car_year=1997&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=1622

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=212272895&dealer_id=58864903&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=22031&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=1308


Who says it has to be on a supra body? i have a lexus with a supra engine in my garage...........i have a friend with a 2jzgte in his e36 M3, i've also seen it on an mk2 IS........get my point? we're just talking about engines here:D

Who says it has to be on a supra body? i have a lexus with a supra engine in my garage...........i have a friend with a 2jzgte in his e36 M3, i've also seen it on an mk2 IS........get my point? we're just talking about engines here:D

Hmm, I believe the thread was about real Supras, not cars with Supra motors...

lol that would be sweet to race a supra..... BUT actually rape it.

SAY,......when's the new Supra coming out??

3 cars.. sorry but I dont think you got raped =X ask him to throw the switch on hi-boost and bend over wide and enjoy the rapage.. nice runs! =)

Hmm, I believe the thread was about real Supras, not cars with Supra motors...

hmmmmmmm trying to be a smart ass eh? people were talking about motor so i was just comparing motor for motor........

cant deny the magnificant sound of turbos and a blow off valve

What were you THINKING?

Cold day in hell when your little E36 M3 will put up a fight against GOD'S CHARIOT!

Oh noes is right. You could find a PRISTINE e36 M3 for 18K. Try and find a fair TT supra for under 40k.

Ask cameron to help you out. He went from a single turbo mk4 to his balls out M3. By no means was in a cheap job, but i guarantee it will embarass alot of BT mk4's out there, if not all of them :)

Good rape, supras are pretty cool.

What were you THINKING?

Cold day in hell when your little E36 M3 will put up a fight against GOD'S CHARIOT!

i have the little e36 m3 that could..

o yes.. forgot.. we both had 1 passenger..

i wish he would rape me in full boost when its dry out..

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3241/3880bv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oh noes is right. You could find a PRISTINE e36 M3 for 18K. Try and find a fair TT supra for under 40k.

Ask cameron to help you out. He went from a single turbo mk4 to his balls out M3. By no means was in a cheap job, but i guarantee it will embarass alot of BT mk4's out there, if not all of them :)

Good rape, supras are pretty cool.

Even better i can give you a similarly priced supra...........if you need more let me know;)


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227913411&dealer_id=60823431&car_year=1998&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1749

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226720287&dealer_id=60679325&car_year=1994&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=2392

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=228041312&dealer_id=60840551&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=91915&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=25000&cardist=2249

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227026784&dealer_id=60716331&car_year=1993&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&transmission=&model=SUPRA&distance=0&make2=&address=91915&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1871

i have the little e36 m3 that could..

o yes.. forgot.. we both had 1 passenger..

i wish he would rape me in full boost when its dry out..
You are a sick person...





God's Chariot man... un-stoppable

Even better i can give you a similarly priced supra...........if you need more let me know;)


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227913411&dealer_id=60823431&car_year=1998&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1749

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226720287&dealer_id=60679325&car_year=1994&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=2392

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=228041312&dealer_id=60840551&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=91915&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=25000&cardist=2249

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227026784&dealer_id=60716331&car_year=1993&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&transmission=&model=SUPRA&distance=0&make2=&address=91915&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1871

that is still a little too much for me, but those are lower than i thought. Lower miles would be nicer too.

25-18= 7k into an e36 m3

That could do alot, and you could have something that turns MUCH better and looks better (imo)

that is still a little too much for me, but those are lower than i thought. Lower miles would be nicer too.

25-18= 7k into an e36 m3

That could do alot, and you could have something that turns MUCH better and looks better (imo)

Really? Did the stock E36 M3 turn better than .95 G on the 300ft skidpad?

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/car&driver/3_93/6-cd3-93.jpg

Here's an even better one, at .98 G:

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/road&track/3_93/rt393_06.jpg

And another:

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/motor_trend/3_93/MotorTrend-Mar-93-4.jpg

Last I checked, the 1995 M3 turned these numbers (as tested in 1994):

Car and Driver 7/1994
0-60 mph: 5.6 sec
1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed: 137 mph
Braking 70-0 mph: 158 ft
300ft skid pad: 0.86g

that is still a little too much for me, but those are lower than i thought. Lower miles would be nicer too.

25-18= 7k into an e36 m3

That could do alot, and you could have something that turns MUCH better and looks better (imo)

you said i won't find a 40k or lower right? now that i found a few you're trying to say another thing?..........:eyecrazy

ok fine, how's this for under 20k

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=227979425&dealer_id=60834283&car_year=1994&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&transmission=&model=SUPRA&distance=0&make2=&address=91915&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=20000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=1998&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1993&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1968

i'm sure you can find more but just to prove my point........if you look hard enough you'll find one. some have high miles but as long as the interior is fine it'll be ok. it's so easy to find new engine with lower miles + a 100k is nothing on a toyota even if its been abused;) not so with bmw.

lets just say i'll feel better buying a 100k mile supra than a 100k mile M3:D

i hate it when this happens.........it's turning into a toyota vs bmw again.:shifty

i hate it when this happens.........it's turning into a toyota vs bmw again.:shifty

It's a cycle. The Nissan vs BMW "discussion" just raged, and Toyota now wants to take a swipe at it.

You can blame the mis/uninformed BMW fanboys for most of it though.

2JZ with some Nas ftw.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/FirestarterCL/2jz.jpg

BTW, here's a UK comparo between a Euro M3 Evo, and a Toyota Supra RZ (the fanboys will LOVE this one): http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/2_99csupra.html (http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/2_99csupra.html)

It's fairly recent too (1999):


BMW M3 vs. Toyota Supra Twin Turbo

Toyota's previously unloved muscle machine returns as a grey import to haunt BMW's brilliant M3 in an unlikely battle for the hearts, minds and wallets of purist drivers

Its all about how much you want to show off. The BMW M3 is subtle but deeply ingrained showing-off. Small badges, small door mirrors, surprisingly low-key alloys, this car could easily be mistaken for a 318i by those who don't spot chin spoilers. But when the penny drops, any the true identity clicks, the M3 becomes a car with 8in-thick, bullet-proof street cred.

Then there's the grey import Toyota Supra RZ. This is high-profile but more superficial showing-off. Impressed-until-you-find-out-it's-just-a-Toyota showing-off; high-gloss, spanked-up, big-winged, 'look at me showing off' showing-off. Wide-bodied, small-glass, slicked-back Gran Turismo showing-off. Wheelspin in third gear showing-off.

I think you get the picture.

But once you've chosen your mode of high-street celebrity, these cars are amazingly close under the skin. The £38,420 BMW M3 Evo has a 321bhp 3.2-litre straight-six with Vanos variable valve timing, driving the rear wheels via a six-speed gearbox.

The £36,450 Toyota Supra RZ, which fails to make official import status because Toyota can't get it through 'official' emissions tests, has a 3.0-litre turbocharged straight-six engine with VVT-i variable valve timing. Claimed power is 280bhp, but only because the Japanese tell damnable lies about horsepower (there's a gentleman's agreement that restricts output to that figure, so that's what they claim). Back in 1996, pre-VVT official Supras were 326bhp, so this car will be more than that - 340bhp maybe? The Supra also has rear-wheel drive and a six-speed gearbox.

So you see, visuals aside, Japan has little to offer that is closer to Europe's iconic BM super-coupe.

But why would anyone overlook an M3 Evo, which lines up in the showroom next to the M Coupe, M Roadster and M5, and choose the grey-import Toyota, parked up next to the Starlet and the Picnic? Why would anyone choose this chubby-faced bloater rather than a trim and perfectly proportioned greyhound of German supremacy? Drive both cars for half an hour and you'll have your answer.

Supra first. And let's look at the quality: this Toyota is exceptionally well screwed together. From the clunk of the door handle to the grippy seats to the solid dash mouldings inside, it gives little away to the BMW in the way it's built. The driving position's excellent, low and laid back, and the three-spoke steering wheel is small and palm-grippy. Ahead is a big central rev-counter and a curved dash full of knobs and buttons that all click so precisely it's absorbing just turning the heating up and down. The rear legroom would have small children screaming in pain in minutes, but nothing of any real importance is wrong with this interior.

The RZ's 2997cc engine, known in that charmingly precise Japanese way as the BEANS "J" VVT-i Twin Cam 24-valve Two Way Twin Turbo (and I have the brochure to prove it), is a big engine with a big name. It has every piece of technology conceivable (well that I can think of anyway) to provide you with the maximum swell of speed throughout the rev range. From 2000rpm, through its torque max (333lb ft) at 3600rpm, up to its power peak at 5600rpm, this car is on fire and on charge. Pulling away from a standing start, that first slug of acceleration comes on so abruptly and so seriously you'll leave everything this side of a Class One supercar behind you. Sixty miles per hour lies less than five seconds ahead.

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/other/bmw_vs_supra/supra.jpg

The steering matches the engine in all round deliciousness, being heavy yet fluid, sensitive yet trustworthy. The original official UK cars used to have a false steering feel, all weight and no real communication, but this car feels much more natural, more genuinely sporty. The handling only disappoints when it starts tramlining, which it does on crummy surfaces, or when it starts to feel floaty, which it does when it's time to slow down anyway.

Get out of the Supra and into the BMW and you're in for a shock. This is the M3 Evo? King Of The Overtaking Lane? Lord Commander of The Three Series? Surely not. After the Supra, the M3 feels tight, constrained, restricted, like it's got marmalade for oil. The M3 squirts power precisely and incrementally through a small tube where the Supra splashes it on by the bucketload. That doesn't mean it's slow, but it takes some adjusting to its non-turbo high-revving nature before you can coax the same speed out of it as you enjoyed in the Supra.

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/other/bmw_vs_supra/m3evo.jpg

The steering - Achilles heel of this M3 model since it was launched (in pre-Evo form) back in 1993 - feels slow and a bit numb compared to the Toyota. The car tracks much better than its Japanese rival, with no tramlining floating to worry you when you're in a hurry, but the act of turning into a bend and feeling the front end grip (which it does) and the back end squat under power and push you out (which it does) contains less simple satisfaction in the BMW. It feels less pointy, less involving, less direct. The seats are also wider, the steering wheel feels bigger, the pedals feel stiffer and the noise, though crackly and raspy, is subdued by comparison. It feels less exciting to drive. Which is strange, because it is, after all, an M3. Let's not forget that.

But what the M3 has that marks it out as really special is a kind of magical spontaneity in its responses. It uses a battery of six individual throttle butterflies that open together, giving it electric reactions to tiny throttle movements, the moment you ask it. that response time helps the M£ to stay with the laggy Japanese car in a straight-line fight, despite the Supra's eventual advantage (the BMW takes 5.4 seconds to 60mph). In the end, balancing power, weight and delivery, they're very very close.

But for someone who enjoys driving, great throttle response and big speeds alone just aren't enough. Yes, the Supra is probably less able than the M3, ultimately, and its engineering isn't up to the aerospace feel of the BMW (a turbo isn't as clever as a normally aspirated 100bhp per litre, is it?).

But the Supra is just more fun to drive, more exceptional. You might think the Toyota is the car with the mundane gene pool, but it's the M3 that feels like a normal car with some special bits, rather than a special car outright.

The Supra is inescapably special: special to drive, special to sit in, special to listen to even. And, of course, extraordinary to look at. But that's OK. It might look a bit outrageous for our reserved British tastes, but the Supra has the right to boast. It has the ability to match, and I'd take the spanked-up, bug-winged route every time.

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/other/bmw_vs_supra/supra_int.jpg
http://www.mkiv.com/publications/other/bmw_vs_supra/m3evo_int.jpg

BMW M3 EVO

Engine

3201cc 24V dohc
straight six

Power and torque

321bhp at 7400rpm
259lb ft at 3250rpm

Transmission

Six-speed manual,
rear wheel drive

Weight

1440kg

Max speed

155mph (limited)

0-62mph

5.4sec

________________________________________________

TOYOTA SUPRA RZ

Engine

2997cc 24V twin-turbo
straight six

Power and torque

280bhp at 5600rpm
333lb ft at 3600rpm

Transmission

Six-speed manual,
rear wheel drive

Weight

1730kg

Max speed

160+ mph

0-62mph

4.9sec

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b173/stuntman71/FastFuriousBGC.jpg

Oh noes is right. You could find a PRISTINE e36 M3 for 18K. Try and find a fair TT supra for under 40k.
Someone already posted them. Its so much cheaper to get big power out of a supra than a BMW. With a BMW you have to do internal work to make good power and thats $$$. Not the case with the supra's. And dont forget Ohnoes original comment about it being 1/5th the price :rolleyes

2JZ with some Nas ftw.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/FirestarterCL/2jz.jpg
:D

Even better i can give you a similarly priced supra...........if you need more let me know;)


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227913411&dealer_id=60823431&car_year=1998&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1749

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226720287&dealer_id=60679325&car_year=1994&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=2392

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=228041312&dealer_id=60840551&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=91915&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=25000&cardist=2249

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227026784&dealer_id=60716331&car_year=1993&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&transmission=&model=SUPRA&distance=0&make2=&address=91915&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1871

Hmm, interesting how 3 out of those 4 are automatics. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want an automatic Supra. Sure, you could do a tranny swap--that's another $5k.

I don't believe my 1/5th the price argument is too outrageous, either, for a mint Supra TT with mods to get it up to, say, 700hp. OK, maybe 1/3 or 1/4. :)

Someone already posted them. Its so much cheaper to get big power out of a supra than a BMW. With a BMW you have to do internal work to make good power and thats $$$. Not the case with the supra's. And dont forget Ohnoes original comment about it being 1/5th the price :rolleyes

Nevermind ohnoes, he's just a bmw fanboy:help he's been on this dream where bmw is the BEST and nothing even come close:help

Hmm, interesting how 3 out of those 4 are automatics. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want an automatic Supra. Sure, you could do a tranny swap--that's another $5k.

I don't believe my 1/5th the price argument is too outrageous, either, for a mint Supra TT with mods to get it up to, say, 700hp. OK, maybe 1/3 or 1/4. :)

...............you're trying for a "hail mary" and you find one in the end zone whose number is 5000 carrying a tranny.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b173/stuntman71/FastFuriousBGC.jpg

You HAVE to be a homo..

Looks like a Celica on steroids... nice power though.

That picture is so funny ^

2JZ with some Nas ftw.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/FirestarterCL/2jz.jpg

lolzors

Allow me to save everyone in this thread the trouble by stating:

If it's not a BMW...it's junk..it's slow..it's ugly..it doesn't handle well..it's expensive..it's cheap...it doesn't have potential to make power...bad resale value..dime a dozen....the owners are D-bags....loses steam above 100mph...Cheap plastic interior..unreliable...

Resistance is futile.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kiley_sean/borg_1.jpg

Allow me to save everyone in this thread the trouble by stating:

If it's not a BMW...it's junk..it's slow..it's ugly..it doesn't handle well..it's expensive..it's cheap...it doesn't have potential to make power...bad resale value..dime a dozen....the owners are D-bags....loses steam above 100mph...Cheap plastic interior..unreliable...

Resistance is futile.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kiley_sean/borg_1.jpg

:lol

Even better i can give you a similarly priced supra...........if you need more let me know;)


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227913411&dealer_id=60823431&car_year=1998&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1749

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226720287&dealer_id=60679325&car_year=1994&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&transmission=&distance=0&address=91915&make2=&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=2392

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=228041312&dealer_id=60840551&car_year=1994&model=SUPRA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=TOYOTA&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=91915&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=25000&cardist=2249

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227026784&dealer_id=60716331&car_year=1993&marketZipError=false&awsp=false&search_type=both&num_records=25&keywordsfyc=&make=TOYOTA&transmission=&model=SUPRA&distance=0&make2=&address=91915&default_sort=priceDESC&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=25000&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2008&keywordsrep=&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=1871

Maybe you don't know that much about Supras but automatics sell for a great deal less than manuals. It's very easy to find an auto TT with 100,000+ for less than $25,000. But if you're going to step up to the plate and buy a manual TT with less than 60k, then you're going to pay a steep price. I'll take the 05 M3 with 20k on it please; after all, it IS a decade newer

Maybe you don't know that much about Supras but automatics sell for a great deal less than manuals. It's very easy to find an auto TT with 100,000+ for less than $25,000. But if you're going to step up to the plate and buy a manual TT with less than 60k, then you're going to pay a steep price. I'll take the 05 M3 with 20k on it please; after all, it IS a decade newer

Exactly. Using an automatic to prove your point about Supras is pretty hilarious.

I love supra's a supra or a 3rd gen rx-7 are probablly the only two cars that i would have as much fun working on as my e31 build I am doing.

Maybe you don't know that much about Supras but automatics sell for a great deal less than manuals. It's very easy to find an auto TT with 100,000+ for less than $25,000. But if you're going to step up to the plate and buy a manual TT with less than 60k, then you're going to pay a steep price. I'll take the 05 M3 with 20k on it please; after all, it IS a decade newer

what do you want to know about supras? he wasn't talking about AUTO TT:nono he was just saying that you couldn't find A SUPRA in good condition in the 40K range.

yes autos are a bit cheaper but that's not the point. we're only talking about supras. the auto tranny came up because i found a couple of SUPRAs in good condition in the low 20s.

what do you want to know about supras? he wasn't talking about AUTO TT:nono he was just saying that you couldn't find A SUPRA in good condition in the 40K range.

yes autos are a bit cheaper but that's not the point. we're only talking about supras. the auto tranny came up because i found a couple of SUPRAs in good condition in the low 20s.

That is a pathetically humorous argument. That's like saying, "we weren't talking about finding a place on the beach in San Diego for $300k, we were talking about where to find a big house in the U.S. for $300k." There is a major difference in price between the auto and 6 spd. Supras (like there is in real estate values between San Diego and Nebraska)... and the majority of enthusiasts would want, and pay a premium for, the 6 spd.

supra > e36 m3

and auto may be better for some applications, such as a drag car.

also, you could buy a used e46 m3 for the same price as a good condition, low mileage manual TT supra, but does it have any mod potential? the e46 m3 is a great car, but the supra is just as fast if not faster in stock form, and the speed gained by spending 1k in mods on the supra is equivalent to thousands more for the N/A m3.

the supra may be older, but it has so much potential that to many enthusiasts it would be a no brainer choice over an m3.

all of you bmw fan boys need to get over yourselves and admit that the supra is a good, even legendary car. this bs about the e36 m3 handling better is laughable.

supra > e36 m3

the supra may be older, but it has so much potential that to many enthusiasts it would be a no brainer choice over an m3.

all of you bmw fan boys need to get over yourselves and admit that the supra is a good, even legendary car. this bs about the e36 m3 handling better is laughable.


Couldn't agree more. The fanboy mentality of this forum never ceases to amaze me.

and here are some cheaper manual TT's:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=193425798&recnum=32&leadExists=true

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=134728401&recnum=31&leadExists=true

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=193476302&recnum=30&leadExists=true
(single turbo upgrade)

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=237299862&recnum=29&leadExists=true



and here is a low mileage manual TT example(25k miles):

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=236221932&recnum=7&leadExists=true

this for $38k

Who says it has to be on a supra body? i have a lexus with a supra engine in my garage...........i have a friend with a 2jzgte in his e36 M3, i've also seen it on an mk2 IS........get my point? we're just talking about engines here:D
Your 2jz in your is300 is not the same as in the supra.

It's a cycle. The Nissan vs BMW "discussion" just raged, and Toyota now wants to take a swipe at it.

You can blame the mis/uninformed BMW fanboys for most of it though.

You are a bmw hater. You are a fanboy of everything non-bmw. I am convinced you come to this board because you like to argue. Do you visit other boards and dog their cars and talk about how bmw's are better??

Also, everytime someone actually proves your wrong, you don't respond. You posted that bullshit about 350z's all being 400+whp @ 8 psi. I visited my350z.com to do some research and found that 350z's seem to have alot of blown engines. ALOT. N/A's, supercharged, turbo'd, they are blowing these things up every way possible. You will have trouble finding people running over 10psi through one without throwing a rod through the block. Not to say there aren't people over there doing that, but its not like it is here, with our shitty, underdeveloped m50 based engines :rolleyes. The main supporting vendor over there, when asked about what he would do if he was going to keep his stock internals when going f/i, recommends not running a kit over330-360whp.

Basically your bullshit gets annoying. Obviously there are fuckin BMW fanboys here, its a BMW forum. Get over yourself.

If someone actually thinks the S50/52 is a better engine stock for boost than a 2jzgte, they are kidding themselves. Do you really need to waste your time proving them wrong? The 2jzgte was made for boost, obviously. No 10.5:1 compression engine with thin cylinder walls is going to compete with 8.5:1 compression and the thick walls that the 2jzgte has, when operating under boost. Its common sense.

what do you want to know about supras? he wasn't talking about AUTO TT:nono he was just saying that you couldn't find A SUPRA in good condition in the 40K range.

yes autos are a bit cheaper but that's not the point. we're only talking about supras. the auto tranny came up because i found a couple of SUPRAs in good condition in the low 20s.
Um, that is the point. See:

That is a pathetically humorous argument. That's like saying, "we weren't talking about finding a place on the beach in San Diego for $300k, we were talking about where to find a big house in the U.S. for $300k." There is a major difference in price between the auto and 6 spd. Supras (like there is in real estate values between San Diego and Nebraska)... and the majority of enthusiasts would want, and pay a premium for, the 6 spd.

BURN... IS300, I'd drop it now. I'm not wasting my time researching it, but comparing a 6spd Supra TT to a Auto Supra TT is comparing apples to oranges. Ohnoes comparison of your assessment is right on target.

That is a pathetically humorous argument. That's like saying, "we weren't talking about finding a place on the beach in San Diego for $300k, we were talking about where to find a big house in the U.S. for $300k." There is a major difference in price between the auto and 6 spd. Supras (like there is in real estate values between San Diego and Nebraska)... and the majority of enthusiasts would want, and pay a premium for, the 6 spd.

"but i found you a house in the US for less than 300k in the condition and price you were asking" we weren't talking about transmission until i showed you a couple of supras in the price range and the condition that you mentioned;). a supra is a supra:D

here are some more really cheap TT manual supras:

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=25
$19,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=33
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=12
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=4
$21,900 for an 89k manual making 401whp BPU



NOW FOR SOME CHEAP AUTOS TT SUPRAS

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=37
$17,900 for an auto tt

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcarb.php?vid=46
$16,900 for an auto tt

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=7
$15,900 for a high mileage auto tt


don't tell me you can't find a decent supra for cheap

"but i found you a house in the US for less than 300k in the condition and price you were asking" we weren't talking about transmission until i showed you a couple of supras in the price range and the condition that you mentioned;). a supra is a supra:D

You were talking about market rates. Market rate for a 6 spd supra is higher than an auto supra. Enough said. It is not a fair comparison.

here are some more really cheap TT manual supras:

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=25
$19,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=33
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=12
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=4
$21,900 for an 89k manual making 401whp BPU



NOW FOR SOME CHEAP AUTOS

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=37
$17,900 for an auto

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcarb.php?vid=46
$16,900 for an auto

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=7
$15,900 for a high mileage turbo


don't tell me you can't find a decent supra for cheap


THANK YOU!!!!!

Widebody, single turbo, 6 speed supra on HRE's for $46k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Supra_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem160128943159QQite mZ160128943159

///36M, please see above for some cheap manual TT supras, and some even cheaper auto tt supras

You were talking about market rates. Market rate for a 6 spd supra is higher than an auto supra. Enough said. It is not a fair comparison.

READ MY LAST POST.......THE LAST PART OF IT.;) TY

and here are some cheaper manual TT's:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=193425798&recnum=32&leadExists=true

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=134728401&recnum=31&leadExists=true

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=193476302&recnum=30&leadExists=true
(single turbo upgrade)

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=237299862&recnum=29&leadExists=true



and here is a low mileage manual TT example(25k miles):

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_47_%7CD-_437_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-60004&aff=national&paId=236221932&recnum=7&leadExists=true

this for $38k

Notice the mileages on those Supras.

I'm sorry, but I could not see myself paying $25,000 for a Supra TT with 120,000 miles.

Your 2jz in your is300 is not the same as in the supra.



You are a bmw hater. You are a fanboy of everything non-bmw. I am convinced you come to this board because you like to argue. Do you visit other boards and dog their cars and talk about how bmw's are better??

Also, everytime someone actually proves your wrong, you don't respond. You posted that bullshit about 350z's all being 400+whp @ 8 psi. I visited my350z.com to do some research and found that 350z's seem to have alot of blown engines. ALOT. N/A's, supercharged, turbo'd, they are blowing these things up every way possible. You will have trouble finding people running over 10psi through one without throwing a rod through the block. Not to say there aren't people over there doing that, but its not like it is here, with our shitty, underdeveloped m50 based engines :rolleyes. The main supporting vendor over there, when asked about what he would do if he was going to keep his stock internals when going f/i, recommends not running a kit over330-360whp.

Basically your bullshit gets annoying. Obviously there are fuckin BMW fanboys here, its a BMW forum. Get over yourself.

If someone actually thinks the S50/52 is a better engine stock for boost than a 2jzgte, they are kidding themselves. Do you really need to waste your time proving them wrong? The 2jzgte was made for boost, obviously. No 10.5:1 compression engine with thin cylinder walls is going to compete with 8.5:1 compression and the thick walls that the 2jzgte has, when operating under boost. Its common sense.


Um, that is the point. See:



BURN... IS300, I'd drop it now. I'm not wasting my time researching it, but comparing a 6spd Supra TT to a Auto Supra TT is comparing apples to oranges. Ohnoes comparison of your assessment is right on target.

Everything you said is so true... and thanks for the compliment.

"but i found you a house in the US for less than 300k in the condition and price you were asking" we weren't talking about transmission until i showed you a couple of supras in the price range and the condition that you mentioned;). a supra is a supra:D

Lame. A Supra is not a Supra just like a beach house isn't a beach house if it isn't on the beach (and a nice beach). :)

Notice the mileages on those Supras.

I'm sorry, but I could not see myself paying $25,000 for a Supra TT with 120,000 miles.


how about $21,900 for a manual, 401whp, 89k mi, supra?
http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=4

here are some more really cheap TT manual supras:

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=25
$19,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=33
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=12
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=4
$21,900 for an 89k manual making 401whp BPU




I wouldnt call that cheap, however thats not the point.
(Edit: I suppose those are cheap for supra's)


What would you say you could get an M3 equal to one of those supra's for? 12k, maybe less. So I think although Ohnoes statement was outrageous (his 1/5 the price bullshit), you can buy your m3 for 12k, throw 10k into it for a built engine and turbo kit, and have a M3 that will be in the league of those supras, if not faster.

flameretardent:
I AM NOT SAYInNG THAT AN M3 IS BETTER THAN A SUPRA, I AM SUPPORTING THE GENERAL STATEMENT THAT YOU CAN THROW A TURBO ON AN M3 FOR THE SAME PRICE YOU CAN BUY A USED SUPRA FOR.

Lame. A Supra is not a Supra just like a beach house isn't a beach house if it isn't on the beach (and a nice beach). :)


read what you said and comeback to me........OF COURSE A BEACH HOUSE IS NOT a beach house IF IT ISN'T ON THE BEACH. It would just be a house.:eyecrazy:lol

but a supra is a supra no matter how you look at it......you need :help

........So I think although Ohnoes statement was outrageous (his 1/5 the price bullshit), you can buy your m3 for 12k, throw 10k into it for a built engine and turbo kit, and have a M3 that will be in the league of those supras, if not faster.

try about 20+ grand for an 800 whp M3......

i have the little e36 m3 that could..

o yes.. forgot.. we both had 1 passenger..
.

It's a cycle. The Nissan vs BMW "discussion" just raged, and Toyota now wants to take a swipe at it.

You can blame the mis/uninformed BMW fanboys for most of it though.


How about the little 2 8 that could both of us pushing around 800whp here
http://www.bmwturbo328.com/Chicago/suprarace2.wmv

How about the little 2 8 that could both of us pushing around 800whp here
http://www.bmwturbo328.com/Chicago/suprarace2.wmv

impressive 2.8........how much did you spend on your ride to get to 800+?

How did this even veer into a Supra VS M3 discussion? We all know the Supra has a superior (ridiculously over engineered) engine. The 2JZGTE was built for Forced Induction. The S50/S52 wasn't. I think it's kind of ridiculous to compare NA engines to FI engines. I'm not an fan boy but I also agree that with the money you would spend to acquire a decent mileage 6spd TT Supra...you could just turbo an M3. It really only depends on your power goals and purpose. Both cars are good leave the hype out of this folks.

impressive 2.8........how much did you spend on your ride to get to 800+?

Alot less then people think Im thrifty and do alot of the work

Oh and I love a supra also I just wanted to be diffrent with this car

cruising down rt7 in va, light drizzle, night time around 9pm i see a red supra roll up next to me.

o dears no.. he kepts looking over, thats what i my friend kept saying. we are sorta in the middle of a town, shopping centers, lots of cops. we line up.. we were both waiting for someone to jump just cruising.. pass a cop.. fcuk me! i almost went to jail.

well 1 mile up the road.. it clears up.. i slowly go up to 90mph.. supra follows..

its on like donkey kong.. slow down to 60mph in 3rd gear.. supra lines up on the left.. i knew i was going to get raped .. i wanted to know how bad

we both punch it.. supra in 1 sec, half a car, 70 1car, 80, 1.5cars 90 2.5cars .. 100 3cars..

lol rape! we lined up again.. at 40 this time.. rape! i went up to about 100.. i kept thinking no way hes full boost, its wet as shit outside.. i flash my highbeams with my right signal he turns into a gas station i follow.

cool asian dude, has 50,000miles on his.. red supra, trd hood, wing.. pushing low boost 350rwhp.. all bolt ons, boost controller, advan rs 18x11 wheels.. toyo t1r tires...

i enjoyed my rape .. leaving the gas station he busts a full u-turn drift, i follow, fun

2 great classic beautiful cars!! Congrats on the runs. Thats how it should be, mutual respect between car enthusiasts.

read what you said and comeback to me........OF COURSE A BEACH HOUSE IS NOT a beach house IF IT ISN'T ON THE BEACH. It would just be a house.:eyecrazy:lol

but a supra is a supra no matter how you look at it......you need :help

You're missing the point. My wording could have been different but the point is effective just the same. My point is, you can't really call an automatic Supra a real Supra...it just takes away half the fun of a fast, legendary car. And you, of course, found the cheapest examples you could of a TT Supra, conveniently overlooking the fact that 3/4 were automatics--and hence, far less desirable... and correspondingly less expensive.

Alot less then people think Im thrifty and do alot of the work

Oh and I love a supra also I just wanted to be diffrent with this car

i'm pretty sure if you have to pay somebody to do it for you, it will cost you more than 20k;) what kind of engine management are you running? tranny?

Gotta love paying MSRP for a 10 year old car.

You're missing the point. My wording could have been different but the point is effective just the same. My point is, you can't really call an automatic Supra a real Supra...it just takes away half the fun of a fast, legendary car. And you, of course, found the cheapest examples you could of a TT Supra, conveniently overlooking the fact that 3/4 were automatics--and hence, far less desirable... and correspondingly less expensive.

so now you can't call an auto supra a REAL SUPRA:banghead::banghead:...........I give up:nuts:nuts:nuts YOU CAN STOP now coz your analogy is not working.

how 'bout this?

here are some more really cheap TT manual supras:

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=25
$19,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=33
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=12
$21,900

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=4
$21,900 for an 89k manual making 401whp BPU



NOW FOR SOME CHEAP AUTOS TT SUPRAS

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=37
$17,900 for an auto tt

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcarb.php?vid=46
$16,900 for an auto tt

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar.php?vid=7
$15,900 for a high mileage auto tt


don't tell me you can't find a decent supra for cheap

i'm pretty sure if you have to pay somebody to do it for you, it will cost you more than 20k;) what kind of engine management are you running? tranny?

Please.... please. A built m50 based engine build plus turbo kit capable of 600+whp will run you a 10-15k with tuning, depending on variables. And it can most definetly be done for alot less, if your whp goals are more in line with 400-600. Add that to the price of your reasonable condition 325, 328, or m3 and you are well within the range of a supra, if not below it.

Please.... please. A built m50 based engine build plus turbo kit capable of 600+whp will run you a 10-15k with tuning, depending on variables. And it can most definetly be done for alot less, if your whp goals are more in line with 400-600. Add that to the price of your reasonable condition 325, 328, or m3 and you are well within the range of a supra, if not below it.

READ POSTS #75 & 80:wow:handclap

And CC runs a stock tranny I believe, with 1,000hp axles and driveshaft, along with alot of subframe reinforcement. Tec-3R. Correct me if I am wrong.

READ POSTS #75 & 80

Um :help

I did. Are you infering it costs alot less to make a 800whp supra than it does M50 based engine?

Um :help

I did. Are you infering it costs alot less to make a 800whp supra than it does M50 based engine?

good coz you really need help! it will cost you more than 20k to make your m50 328 to make 800whp and since you mention it, then yes it will cost less on a supra.

good coz you really need help! it will cost you more than 20k to make your m50 328 to make 800whp and since you mention it, then yes it will cost less on a supra.

Really :D

Comparison of build sheets please!!!! :rofl:


You have no clue. Stick to assuming your IS300 has a supra engine in it. So that should cost you mere pennies to push out 800whp???

It's a car, things break. Who knows how much it will cost you. I have build sheets for my turbo kit that will be 600whp, and can support more. I have 1/2 the shit in my garage. I have an "idea" of what its costs to build a turbo M3. Its expensive, but less than you think.

Really :D

Comparison of build sheets please!!!! :rofl:


You have no clue. Stick to assuming your IS300 has a supra engine in it. So that should cost you mere pennies to push out 800whp???

i have an IS300 with a supra engine in it.........:devillook it cost us close to 20k just to make it to ~600whp. it's not just replacing an engine and calling it a day. you have a lot more to learn buddy.

Really :D

Comparison of build sheets please!!!! :rofl:


You have no clue. Stick to assuming your IS300 has a supra engine in it. So that should cost you mere pennies to push out 800whp???

It's a car, things break. Who knows how much it will cost you. I have build sheets for my turbo kit that will be 600whp, and can support more. I have 1/2 the shit in my garage. I have an "idea" of what its costs to build a turbo M3. Its expensive, but less than you think.

Where in Upstate NY are you, huh huh

1. BMW ///M Series is a pedigree car and will be for some time.

2. Supra's are not pedigree anything, they "were" one of the Japanese super cars during it's time, along with the 300ZXTT, 3000GT TT, and the RX7 TT. All these cars are in the past and all discontinued.

i have an IS300 with a supra engine in it.........:devillook it cost us close to 20k just to make it to ~600whp. it's not just replacing an engine and calling it a day. you have a lot more to learn buddy. That was my point ;)

Anyway bud, no hard feelings. Turboing bimmers gets cheaper by the day, which is good thing for everyone. I like supra's but want something different and don't want to buy spend 25k for a car I like, then put 6k into a 67mm T4 kit.

Where in Upstate NY are you, huh huh

Albany. :D

Please.... please. A built m50 based engine build plus turbo kit capable of 600+whp will run you a 10-15k with tuning, depending on variables. And it can most definetly be done for alot less, if your whp goals are more in line with 400-600. Add that to the price of your reasonable condition 325, 328, or m3 and you are well within the range of a supra, if not below it.


I made 635whp and ran a 10 on MLS gasket,ARP studs and a basic turbo kit.
Everything else all stock:buttrock
http://www.bmwturbo328.com/Chicago/suprarace2.wmv

That was my point ;)

huh? my point is you'll end up spending more than 30k to turbocharge a 328i including the car......and that my friend is in the price range of a single turbo supra. when you get to that it's just a matter of preference, a 35k single turbo supra or a 35k 328i turbo:D

overall, its not what some of you think to make an n/a car FI'd and be a lot less cheaper. some of the members at IS300 spent more than 30k just to make it a 1000k hp IS.......keep in mind that they used a lot of IS300 parts mixed in with GTEs parts. just imagine if you have to custom make it just because no one makes 'em.

i'm pretty sure you'll have your share of custom work to make an 800+rwhp 328i;)

I made 635whp and ran a 10 on MLS gasket,ARP studs and a basic turbo kit.
Everything else all stock:buttrock
http://www.bmwturbo328.com/Chicago/suprarace2.wmv

what kit are you running? i'm really interested to know more about your car. can you please post or pm me your set up. thanks! i sold my e36 M3 because i want to turbocharge it and AA stage 2 turbo kit will cost you 10k it won't even take you to 450 whp......

Cardcounters car doesnt count :stickoutt

what kit are you running? i'm really interested to know more about your car. can you please post or pm me your set up. thanks! i sold my e36 M3 because i want to turbocharge it and AA stage 2 turbo kit will cost you 10k it won't even take you to 450 whp......
The old one or the new one they are both hand made

Cardcounters car doesnt count :stickoutt:evil2

The old one or the new one they are both hand made

:evil2

i dunno......:D i thought every kit was hand made:evil2 but seriously, i think its the new one.

huh? my point is you'll end up spending more than 30k to turbocharge a 328i including the car......and that my friend is in the price range of a single turbo supra. when you get to that it's just a matter of preference, a 35k single turbo supra or a 35k 328i turbo:D

overall, its not what some of you think to make an n/a car FI'd and be a lot less cheaper. some of the members at IS300 spent more than 30k just to make it a 1000k hp IS.....

I dont know if you are refering to high high hp cars, like Cardcounters, or to "regular" 350-500whp cars. If you are refering to a reasonable hp goal, then it costs no where near 30k with the car to acheive. 1000hp is a whole 'nother ballgame. Again, I know what it costs to turbo a E36, I am in the middle of doing it.

i dunno......:D i thought every kit was hand made:evil2 but seriously, i think its the new one.

Most people DIY their kits, its costs less but is more of a headache. There are reasonable kits out there. Visit the FI forum, all the info is there.

All the documented f/i builds from bf.c, courtesy of highboostingm3:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521046

i dunno......:D i thought every kit was hand made:evil2 but seriously, i think its the new one.

Basically lot of 3 inch pipe welded to make intercooler piping
4 inc pipe for intake.tubuler exhaust mani and big turbo with a tec3 for tunning.

1. BMW ///M Series is a pedigree car and will be for some time.

2. Supra's are not pedigree anything, they "were" one of the Japanese super cars during it's time, along with the 300ZXTT, 3000GT TT, and the RX7 TT. All these cars are in the past and all discontinued.

:lol

Sorry this one was worth a laugh.

what kit are you running? i'm really interested to know more about your car. can you please post or pm me your set up. thanks! i sold my e36 M3 because i want to turbocharge it and AA stage 2 turbo kit will cost you 10k it won't even take you to 450 whp......

Your not doing enough homework. Contact Techn550 (supporting vendor) if you want to turbo BMW's. His company can put together a great kit for 1/2 the price of an AA kit and his tuning is leagues better. Look at Rj325its' stage TRM stage 1 car...I believe its in the mid 4's right now and should damn near touch 5's once its tuned out. Its a bone stock S52 turbo.

Yes yes, haven't tore up a Supra in my M3 yet (doubt I could with the amount of mods) but I've eaten my fair share of Supra Twin Turbos.

Then again, I'm running a 400RWHP motor in my '89 240SX. There's a GT2871R sitting underneath that Helix manifold. Yes yes yes, I know I should of went top-mount LordoftheRoad.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2402/enginelu8.jpg


Hahahhaa....good times.

I'm bottom mount too. gt35rs

:lol

Sorry this one was worth a laugh.

Agreed. All of these cars routinely destroy M's. I don't see many 1000+rwhp e36 m3's, but I see hundreds and hundreds of supras and skylines chucking out well over those numbers

Hmm, interesting how 3 out of those 4 are automatics. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want an automatic Supra. Sure, you could do a tranny swap--that's another $5k.

I don't believe my 1/5th the price argument is too outrageous, either, for a mint Supra TT with mods to get it up to, say, 700hp. OK, maybe 1/3 or 1/4. :)
you do know that the fast supras are the automatic ones right?

i love my supra thread. sadly the auto supras shift faster than the manuals .. pretty strong too.. good for 600rwhp.. my friend has one of the last auto royal sapphire blue supras made .. he bought it from a old lady for $16,000 .. someone offered him a 04 viper plus cash for his.. LOL

he babys it tho.. garage queen 4ever .. pretty moddified

i would buy a supra ive i had alot of money to spend and wanted a death ride.. but i enjoy my sexy ELECTRIC blu :)

I dont know if you are refering to high high hp cars, like Cardcounters, or to "regular" 350-500whp cars. If you are refering to a reasonable hp goal, then it costs no where near 30k with the car to acheive. 1000hp is a whole 'nother ballgame. Again, I know what it costs to turbo a E36, I am in the middle of doing it.]

i was comparing cost this time...........man, you gotta read on man



Most people DIY their kits, its costs less but is more of a headache. There are reasonable kits out there. Visit the FI forum, all the info is there.

All the documented f/i builds from bf.c, courtesy of highboostingm3:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521046

i'm done with DIY turbo kits..........i've done a fair share doing it on my other cars, too much research and custom fabrication. if you don't have the right tools it can be a total headache like you said.

i'm done with DIY turbo kits..........i've done a fair share doing it on my other cars, too much research and custom fabrication. if you don't have the right tools it can be a total headache like you said.


it's a lot more work than a bolt on kit, but it's also about 30% more expensive for a bolt on kit.

i'm done with DIY turbo kits..........i've done a fair share doing it on my other cars, too much research and custom fabrication. if you don't have the right tools it can be a total headache like you said.


Not that your saying they were but the TRM kits are more customize it yourself(vs. find it yourself type ) kits that you can put together how you want versus an expensive AA kit which are only done in an exclusive way for high $$$. Yeah... it involves slightly more work then ordering a 10k AA kit and having a shop putting it in but all the parts you need are on Techno550's catalog which are all easy to obtain. Not to mention its very easy to pick what you want and make big power with T.R.M help. Hah, even if you dont know what your doing Mike can hook you up with all the stuff you need to make that 400+ rwhp mark (via stage 1 kit)

Not that your saying they were but the TRM kits are more customize it yourself(vs. find it yourself type ) kits that you can put together how you want versus an expensive AA kit which are only done in an exclusive way for high $$$. Yeah... it involves slightly more work then ordering a 10k AA kit and having a shop putting it in but all the parts you need are on Techno550's catalog which are all easy to obtain. Not to mention its very easy to pick what you want and make big power with T.R.M help. Hah, even if you dont know what your doing Mike can hook you up with all the stuff you need to make that 400+ rwhp mark (via stage 1 kit)


thanks! but it's kinda late now coz i traded it in for a new M......i now have an e46 M. trust me i know all that headache, me and my bro own an IS300 turbo that just made my head spin, you would think that it would be easier since its a 2jz to begin with but it's all hard work. it was fun though but time is becoming a factor now a days.........

i just needed a faster car (should have gotten an e39 M5, but went against it coz of its weight) for my dd. e46 M3 is good enough for dd, i have my high hp if needed. plus its hard to have a non carb legal kit here in cali.

i was comparing cost this time...........man, you gotta read on man


just for the record my response was regarding cost. I asked how much hp you were trying trying to make a cost comparison of.

whats the deal with your is300 turbo?

just for the record my response was regarding cost. I asked how much hp you were trying trying to make a cost comparison of.

whats the deal with your is300 turbo?

I thought we're talking about 600+whp, no? My IS300 is in LV right now because of stupid laws here in cali......but it's a done project traps between 120-124 mph:buttrock

I thought we're talking about 600+whp, no? My IS300 is in LV right now because of stupid laws here in cali......but it's a done project traps between 120-124 mph:buttrock

:buttrock

You have a link? I'd like to see it.

:buttrock

You have a link? I'd like to see it.

we were so busy that we didn't even remember to take pics while we were working on it.....but i'm going to LV at the end of the month, i'll try to take some pics:D

How much power are you puttin down with your turbo IS? 5xxwhp?

How much power are you puttin down with your turbo IS? 5xxwhp?

highest one we've got was 585whp on 19 psi pt67 turbo.....

Love The 2jz

highest one we've got was 585whp on 19 psi pt67 turbo.....
Nice numbers. Theres quite a few is turbo's around here. Some local shop does alot of em. I forgot their name.

Nice numbers. Theres quite a few is turbo's around here. Some local shop does alot of em. I forgot their name.

i guess you're somewhere in the neighborhood of SRT huh? they do a lot of good things to 2jz's........if i'm not mistaken they were the first one to reach 1000whp on an IS3

highest one we've got was 585whp on 19 psi pt67 turbo.....

Is that on a stock head?

Is that on a stock head?

gte block and ge head..........ge head flows better than gte

gte block and ge head..........ge head flows better than gte

An S52 will make that approx power out of a PT61 at 17-18 psi (and 3" inlet) :D

lol this a dick post my bad. I just wanted to show you that there are some good things about the M series motors too. The head flows really really well. The block just cant compare :(

An S52 will make that approx power out of a PT61 at 17-18 psi (and 3" inlet) :D

lol this a dick post my bad. I just wanted to show you that there are some good things about the M series motors too. The head flows really really well. The block just cant compare :(

yeah but i could probably go close to 800 whp with this set up but i'm already having a hard time hooking up plus the turbo might not be as efficient:D

i might have to go with a pt71 in the future.........i'd like to go under 10:evil2:devillook but i'm happy with my set up just the way it is right now. it is set up for the street.......terrorizing vipers and corvettes in LV.:redspot

yeah but i could probably go close to 800 whp with this set up but i'm already having a hard time hooking up plus the turbo might not be as efficient:D

i might have to go with a pt71 in the future.........i'd like to go under 10:evil2:devillook but i'm happy with my set up just the way it is right now. it is set up for the street.......terrorizing vipers and corvettes in LV.

haha I understand. I'm not planning on running more than 14 psi until I upgrade the diff, driveshaft and axles. ~500whp should be enough :devillook Just wanted to let you know we have some things going for us. The head FLOWS!

I'm going to get the liscense plate "VETTEKLR", "DMSTCKLR" or something like that. If not vettes and vipers wont even look at me.

haha I understand. I'm not planning on running more than 14 psi until I upgrade the diff, driveshaft and axles. ~500whp should be enough :devillook Just wanted to let you know we have some things going for us. The head FLOWS!

I'm going to get the liscense plate "VETTEKLR", "DMSTCKLR" or something like that. If not vettes and vipers wont even look at me.

ha ha ha ha that's cool.....a guy i know who drives an IS with 700+whp have a plate "M3KILLER" :D hated him for that but hey.........

Anything can be modded to kill anything pretty much. His plate works until an M3 with a bigger turbo comes along.. hah

ha ha ha ha that's cool.....a guy i know who drives an IS with 700+whp have a plate "M3KILLER" :D hated him for that but hey.........

Anything can be modded to kill anything pretty much. His plate works until an M3 with a bigger turbo comes along.. hah

A. There aren't many 700+whp M3's around

B. I like that plate. I have little respect for IS300's because most owners throw a fart can on them and then lean over the steering wheel with one arm and the seat tilted back to its maximum capacity. That dude would DEFINETLY catch me sleeping :D

Anything can be modded to kill anything pretty much. His plate works until an M3 with a bigger turbo comes along.. hah

Yeah but how many 700+whp M3s are in his town? but you're right, there will always be a bigger fish out there and he knows it.;) he's actually a car enthusiast.......


http://media.racingflix.com/pictures/featured_ride/march-2003/8.jpg

A. There aren't many 700+whp M3's around

B. I like that plate. I have little respect for IS300's because most owners throw a fart can on them and then lean over the steering wheel with one arm and the seat tilted back to its maximum capacity. That dude would DEFINETLY catch me sleeping :D

i don't know about fart cans.......you can almost throw anything in there and it will sound ok. it's an I6, you can't compare it to hondas;) I6 i thought were the best sounding engines. I4s were like little kids, they sound like bees. I6 were like teens and V8s are like A MAN......my 02

i don't know about fart cans.......you can almost throw anything in there and it will sound ok. it's an I6, you can't compare it to hondas;) I6 i thought were the best sounding engines. I4s were like little kids, they sound like bees. I6 were like teens and V8s are like A MAN......my 02

You are right, poor choice of words on my part. I see a 4" exhaust tip on any n/a vehicle and I automatically think "ricer", and refer to it as a fartcan. I definetly agree it does NOT sound like a civic. But my point was that I am sure his plate works to get many many unsuspecting M3's to race him.

i guess you're somewhere in the neighborhood of SRT huh? they do a lot of good things to 2jz's........if i'm not mistaken they were the first one to reach 1000whp on an IS3
Yup, thats them SRT. I remember when I used to work at Lexus and this customer came in and said he had a twin turbo GS400. I had to see it to believe it (this was over 5 years ago)

Yup, thats them SRT. I remember when I used to work at Lexus and this customer came in and said he had a twin turbo GS400. I had to see it to believe it (this was over 5 years ago)

The owner of SRT had a supercharged GS400 when the shop first opened. They are definitely one of the innovators of F/I for Lexus cars.

i don't know about fart cans.......you can almost throw anything in there and it will sound ok. it's an I6, you can't compare it to hondas;) I6 i thought were the best sounding engines. I4s were like little kids, they sound like bees. I6 were like teens and V8s are like A MAN......my 02

Eh, my borla exhaust sounds better than most I6s I hear.

i think its really cool you were a good sport about the whole thing

Eh, my borla exhaust sounds better than most I6s I hear.

Yeah...........give me some of :weedsmili j/k you mean your eclipse? hmmmmmmm:devillook

Yeah...........give me some of :weedsmili j/k you mean your eclipse? hmmmmmmm:devillook

No, actually I need to update my profile. I only have an awd laser now in terms of dsm's. I have a magnaflow muffler on that.

My borla is on my srt-4.

No, actually I need to update my profile. I only have an awd laser now in terms of dsm's. I have a magnaflow muffler on that.

My borla is on my srt-4.

mehhhhh, i wouldn't mind if you had said wrx.........:D

the new concept supra looks like crap but the older ones are o so sexy. to bad i cant afford one. But for that $$$ i'd rather have a turbod e36 m3