has anyone ever used Auto Cool over in Smyrna. I need to get my A/C checked and maybe recharge as its not blowing cold air anymore. Not sure how much is going to be since mine still has R12.

or anyone know/recommend other places?

We can convert it for you at Auto Europe if you would like.

whats involved with this conversion and about how much is it going to run? oh and where is Auto Europe?

Converting it would make it worse, not better. Fix it and refill with R12 FTW.

Converting it would make it worse, not better. Fix it and refill with R12 FTW.
only problem is i cant get my hands on R12 for a decent price. i called a shop just to see how much it would be just for a recharge and they said about $200+. the guy said it would be cheaper to just convert it.

We can convert it for you at Auto Europe if you would like.
can you guys do a recharge with R12?

Of course its cheaper to convert it, but your AC will not work as well.

Like Matt said, you'd be better off staying with R12 plus it's colder IMO.

Converting it would be more of a hassle as you would have to drain the compressor, make sure it's completely empty of the R12, retrofit the valve then refill it with R134.

If you think about it, it wouldn't be THAT much cheaper by converting it and wouldn't be near the hassle but there are people out there willing to do it if you really want.

Like Matt said, you'd be better off staying with R12 plus it's colder IMO.

Converting it would be more of a hassle as you would have to drain the compressor, make sure it's completely empty of the R12, retrofit the valve then refill it with R134.

If you think about it, it wouldn't be THAT much cheaper by converting it and wouldn't be near the hassle but there are people out there willing to do it if you really want.

Not opinion... it's colder.

R12 has always cooled better then R134a. Then again, R134a is not as harsh on the environment as R12 is. A lot of people that did work on cars back in the 80s and early 90s just released the R12 freon into the air instead of into an EPA approved cannister. This is why auto makers started using R134a in 93. Oh well. I'm definitely sticking with R12 in my E12 instead of converting it.

R12 has always cooled better then R134a. Then again, R134a is not as harsh on the environment as R12 is. A lot of people that did work on cars back in the 80s and early 90s just released the R12 freon into the air instead of into an EPA approved cannister. This is why auto makers started using R134a in 93. Oh well. I'm definitely sticking with R12 in my E12 instead of converting it.

automakers started using r134a because duponts patent on r12 ran out so they went whispering in politicians ears how the sky was falling but how they have a great new (patented) product that was so much better......


it goes something like this....

DuPont invents and patents Fluor carbon type refrigerant gasses. They have exceptional performance and DuPont makes a lot of money while establishing market dominance and manufacturing strength with extensive plant.

Patents expire, but previous investment in plant, manufacturing experience and market dominance still provides a good profit.

Others enter market and gradually improve and begin to undermine prices and take market share.

DuPont starts work on alternative, develops and patents some.

DuPont announces that it has discovered that Fluor carbon damages ozone layer and we will all be seriously damaged by increased exposure to UV light, but hey, just ban Fluor carbon. No worries about repercussions because we have safer alternatives (which just happen to be patented.




but thats a whole other debate....

well id prefer to stick with R12 but it seemed silly that an R12 recharge would cost more than a conversion. i figured id just get it converted and then i'd be able to recharge it myself later on for much cheaper. how much of a problem is there when converting over?

so does anyone else know of a shop that will do R12 recharge?

R134a is still a good refrigerant. No way I would spend my money to recharge with R12 these days.

well id prefer to stick with R12 but it seemed silly that an R12 recharge would cost more than a conversion. i figured id just get it converted and then i'd be able to recharge it myself later on for much cheaper. how much of a problem is there when converting over?

so does anyone else know of a shop that will do R12 recharge?

I did the 134 conversion on my 535 and have been pretty happy with it. Yes, the cooling capacity isn't a great as it used to be, but if you keep it filled it can keep up with the heat, more or less.

After having my a/c dump $160 worth of R12 in a month, I figured I could live with the a/c running at 90%.

Ever notice how the shops never give you a credit for the R12 they recover from your system?
Lets see, it will cost me $200 to fill. If mine is a little low (but not empty) and you need recover the gas so you can safely replace my hose, it's still $200 to fill? WTFBadBBQ :(

automakers started using r134a because duponts patent on r12 ran out so they went whispering in politicians ears how the sky was falling but how they have a great new (patented) product that was so much better...

DuPont starts work on alternative, develops and patents some.

DuPont announces that it has discovered that Fluor carbon damages ozone layer and we will all be seriously damaged by increased exposure to UV light, but hey, just ban Fluor carbon. No worries about repercussions because we have safer alternatives (which just happen to be patented.
Sorry, but that sounds like a typical conspiracy-theory argument. Do you have any proof that R134a is patented and produced only by DuPont and/or its licensees?

I did the 134 conversion on my 535 and have been pretty happy with it. Yes, the cooling capacity isn't a great as it used to be, but if you keep it filled it can keep up with the heat, more or less.

After having my a/c dump $160 worth of R12 in a month, I figured I could live with the a/c running at 90%.

did you do it yourself or have a shop do it?

did you do it yourself or have a shop do it?

I did it myself. I sucked out what little R12 was in there, changed the fittings, and filled with 134. The first charge got me through last summer no problems, though I had to fill up again this summer (seems I still have a slow leak somewhere).

I did it myself. I sucked out what little R12 was in there, changed the fittings, and filled with 134. The first charge got me through last summer no problems, though I had to fill up again this summer (seems I still have a slow leak somewhere).


Didn't look like it last time I saw you. :devillook

Didn't look like it last time I saw you. :devillook

:lol :lol :lol