just raced one couldn't pull away from him, but he couldn't pull away from me either.
first run, 3rd gear at 4k rpm at about 60mph, I take the lead by two car lenght then his turbo spool up and catches up, shifted in forth and still cannot not pass me, but we had to shut down because of traffic. shut down speeds around 100mph.
second run, open road (no traffic). rolling start in 2nd gear, I take the lead by one car lenght, his turbo spools up and he passes me by one lenght, I shift into 3rd, I'm right at his rear bumper and he cannot shake me, but I'm slowly catching. he shuts down, stops and gave me the thumbs up.
I believe that both cars are very compatible accelration wise, I could possibly get him up top, but were talking over 120mph and up.
The fact that it takes him time to spool up gives me an advantage, but I believe that because his turbos are a little small he may be losing top end, witch my car has plenty up top.
None the less it was a good run for an NA vs Boosted.
Comments?

mods?

z31 or z32?
300 hp 280 lbs vs 240 hp/225 lbs??
300zx tt would walk u hard

I don't know the difference between z31 and z32, but I know it was the twin turbo. I'm sure he was stock.

me, on the other hand am not:
eurosport cai
3.5 hfm
24 lbs
turner chip
AA trackpipe
lightweight fly

Nice, I always wanted to run one of these...

gotta remember that the zx is pretty fat and IIRC, the engine bay is a crow's nest, so it is likely he was stock (at least turbo-wise)...good race though...I love those cars

gotta remember that the zx is pretty fat and IIRC, the engine bay is a crow's nest, so it is likely he was stock (at least turbo-wise)...good race though...I love those cars




At least turbo wise? My buddy puts down 370whp 415trq on stock turbos...

My only comment about the race is that stock vs stock 300zx will rape

my comment wasn't that the stock turbos are worthless, but that the engine bay is such a crow's nest that it didn't/doesn't have much of an aftermarket for turbo upgrades, as I recall

feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...this is stuff I remember from 4+ years ago when I owned my 93 MR2 Turbo

i used to own a z32 TT. That thing would walk my M3s anyday. only poblem was any engine work u needed was expensive cuz the engine bay is soo tight. of course, it was a stillen stage 3 with race pipes

The race sounds about right to me. You've got a ~500 lb lighter M3 making about 40-50ish rwhp less than the Z32 assuming it's stock. Plus, those cars are susceptible to boost leaks with all stock components(plastic IC pipes in some places), so it very well could be a little off on HP, but from the results it seems like he was stock.

gotta remember that the zx is pretty fat and IIRC, the engine bay is a crow's nest, so it is likely he was stock (at least turbo-wise)...good race though...I love those cars


Also, if the guy were actually trying, he'd have stomped you. I've walked several M3's in my friend's stock z32TT.

Good race, I'll believe you won, if the guy wasn't running right, was leaking boost, or wasn't actually running (not likely)

my comment wasn't that the stock turbos are worthless, but that the engine bay is such a crow's nest that it didn't/doesn't have much of an aftermarket for turbo upgrades, as I recall

feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...this is stuff I remember from 4+ years ago when I owned my 93 MR2 Turbo

Yes the engine is shitty to work on and Ive pulled that motor about 3 times and have got to know it better then my damn M3, but with that said there are many many aftermarket turbos setups for a z32 and can push 600whp with stock internals

The engine is Easy to work on. half of the crap on it is pointless. It's like a rotary, where you can take out 3/4 of the vacuum lines. You can simplify that engine into a very very nice package, and it's damn easy to wring 7-800hp from them.

+1 with stock turbos 5 years ago I run 12.5@112
I use to walk my brothers e36 m3 at any gear, at any speed with ease!

we use to roll ons from 65-75mph him in 3rd me in 4th and after 100mph I use to flew by him like he was stopped
4th gear in the twin turbo is brutal it goes from 100 to 145mph @7500rpm like it is on steroids, even with the stock turbos

by the way my brothers m3 had a B&B exhaust, ITG intake, UR pullies,AA chip, his best time 13.7@103 in E-town raceway park

But not every Z32 is modded, and a stock one isn't all that fast with how much weight it's got to pull around.

even stock they pull pretty hard in 3rd and 4th gears, as far as weight it weighted at 3,400lbs vs the 3,200lbs on the m3, thats a lot of heft for the size of the car but also if you take a look at the chassis, subframe, suspension etc...you will know why, the z32 is built like a tank

also the japanese used to underate the hp & torque numbers in the '90s,

According to some specs, Z32 TT is about 3475 lbs, and an E36 M3 is 3175, so 300 lbs difference.

I don't think they really underrated the HP/TQ numbers of the Z32. They put out about what you'd expect(~255-265rwhp stock - 300bhp).

Riding in a Z32 gives about what you'd expect as far as speed goes - a hair faster than a stock E36 M3. Add a few mods to the M3, and I can see them being right there.

ok, dont kill me for +/- 50lbs, I own the 300zx for 14 years so that how much it weighted then
also you say a few mods to the m3 it should be right there, a few mods on the Z and you are in a different league...

I see in your sig about your 240sx ..nice, I have a r200 diff and calipers of a 300zx if you are interested

i had a 1990 300zx TT, they are quite under rated...keep that in mind...

ok, dont kill me for +/- 50lbs, I own the 300zx for 14 years so that how much it weighted then
also you say a few mods to the m3 it should be right there, a few mods on the Z and you are in a different league...

I see in your sig about your 240sx ..nice, I have a r200 diff and calipers of a 300zx if you are interested

And if you put some mods on a Yugo it'll beat an F-22... Easy game to play.

The point is, it's perfectly possible for this race to have taken place like it did.

I have as much 300ZX stuff on my car as I want right now, thanks.

Yes the engine is shitty to work on and Ive pulled that motor about 3 times and have got to know it better then my damn M3, but with that said there are many many aftermarket turbos setups for a z32 and can push 600whp with stock internals

The engine is Easy to work on. half of the crap on it is pointless. It's like a rotary, where you can take out 3/4 of the vacuum lines. You can simplify that engine into a very very nice package, and it's damn easy to wring 7-800hp from them.

+1 with stock turbos 5 years ago I run 12.5@112
I use to walk my brothers e36 m3 at any gear, at any speed with ease!

we use to roll ons from 65-75mph him in 3rd me in 4th and after 100mph I use to flew by him like he was stopped
4th gear in the twin turbo is brutal it goes from 100 to 145mph @7500rpm like it is on steroids, even with the stock turbos

by the way my brothers m3 had a B&B exhaust, ITG intake, UR pullies,AA chip, his best time 13.7@103 in E-town raceway park
well hell, thanks for correcting me...now I really do wish I had gotten a z32 back in the day

:runs to autotrader/cars.com to see what a good z32 goes for nowadays:

And if you put some mods on a Yugo it'll beat an F-22... Easy game to play.

The point is, it's perfectly possible for this race to have taken place like it did.

I have as much 300ZX stuff on my car as I want right now, thanks.
any pictures of your 240sx?

well hell, thanks for correcting me...now I really do wish I had gotten a z32 back in the day

:runs to autotrader/cars.com to see what a good z32 goes for nowadays:

No kidding, that's one car I always wish I had the opportunity to own. From time to time I debate buying one. Maybe in a few years I'll be in a position to buy a 4th car. Being responsible sucks.

one of my favorite cars....... was planing to buy one but found out that the 2+2 didn't come turbo,,,,,,well thats what i heard, i'm not sure.
but the two seater looks alot nicer cause duh it's shorter. yeah couldn't do two seater yet maybe that'll be my next car.

I don\'t know the difference between z31 and z32, but I know it was the twin turbo. I\'m sure he was stock.

me, on the other hand am not:
eurosport cai
3.5 hfm
24 lbs
turner chip
AA trackpipe
lightweight fly

don\'t be so sure... the Z32\'s can look completely stock and have over 500 HP to them.

A z32 300zx TT is a beast for sure. a Simple stage 3 kit nets 396 Crank HP. They easily boost to 500HP after that with just bigger 550cc injectors. They're held back by their 370cc injectors. I loved mine when i had it. They can put out 700HP on stock engine internals. Stock cranks have been up to the 1000 HP range. They're really very respectable cars.

Most vacuum lines on the car are pointless and the engine is a bear to work on, especially compared to the BMW's clean lines under the hood. Whoever called it a crow's nest is more right then they know. :)