I came home from the gym today and as usual jump on bimmerforums to see what's going on. Saw that the thread by mtmpow3er was locked. Well i just wanted to apologize to him and his girl for the remark i made, that was low and uncalled for. Oh yeah...and then i went out for a drive and just anihilated like 5 e36 m3's each one by about 25 car lengths ;) Hopefully this stays open long enough for mtm to see it. :redspot

Beware of the fanboi's. :D

Oh yeah...and then i went out for a drive and just anihilated like 5 e36 m3's each one by about 25 car lengths ;) Hopefully this stays open long enough for mtm to see it. :redspot
impossible!!!

no, but seriously that's pretty big of you to make this thread. :)

Hmm...I've seen (or more like 'heard of') lightly modded E36 M3s (I/C/E) running mid 13s..a bunch of them. Don't ask me to back that up, though.

350Z can only run mid to low 14's....but will *sometimes* get a high 13 in the 1/4 (probably wit teh nawz). No matter what proof your show me (time slips, vids, verified ET lists, links, etc.) ..I know what I know and I learned it all here on Bf.c

Besides...if a 350Z could beat an M3...wouldn't you think there would be a few threads about it? No one claims to have been beaten by a 350Z...far from it.

Shoot...just about everyone states "I haven't lost to a 350Z, yet ;)"

Shouldn't that tell you sumthin'.

E36 M3 > Jeebus in tuxedo T-shirt > 350Z.

BTW..if you don't have a bimmer..you should leave this forum.

I came home from the gym today and as usual jump on bimmerforums to see what's going on. Saw that the thread by mtmpow3er was locked. Well i just wanted to apologize to him and his girl for the remark i made, that was low and uncalled for. Oh yeah...and then i went out for a drive and just anihilated like 5 e36 m3's each one by about 25 car lengths ;) Hopefully this stays open long enough for mtm to see it. :redspot

:lol

Besides...if a 350Z could beat an M3...wouldn't you think there would be a few threads about it? No one claims to have been beaten by a 350Z...far from it.



I have faith that somewhere, someone with a 350 will break the laws of physics and overcome all adversity to finally do so and prove that sometimes David can beat Goliath :stickoutt

I can just hear the teenager that is taking your order at Mickey'D's...just after you've told him what you want..."Yes, sir...a BigMac with fries and a large Pepsi...umm...would you like a time-slip with that?"

THIS IS A BMW FORUM, MOST KILL STORIES ARE BY BMW'S ---- GO TO SCOOBIE, EVO AND NISSAN FORUMS ---- BMW'S ARE OWNED OVER THERE:)

THIS IS THE SIMPLE EXPLANATION...AFTER ALL, IT IS A 240HP 3000+LB CAR with a 14.6 1/4 MILE CAR:redspot

THIS IS A BMW FORUM, MOST KILL STORIES ARE BY BMW'S ---- GO TO SCOOBIE, EVO AND NISSAN FORUMS ---- BMW'S ARE OWNED OVER THERE:)

THIS IS THE SIMPLE EXPLANATION...AFTER ALL, IT IS A 240HP 3000+LB CAR with a 14.6 1/4 MILE CAR:redspot

14.6 in an auto.

Ok, 14.0-14.3

Here is also a vid at the track, stock E36M3 stick - 14.6:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyNJxFSMSU

Ok, 14.0-14.3

Here is also a vid at the track, stock E36M3 stick - 14.6:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyNJxFSMSU

Depends on the driver... :shifty

The driver looked OK in the video...but here are "stock" E36M3 numbers from R & T, Car & Driver. Motor Trend tests - drivers who test for these magazines has to be excellent ones...

1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

:alright

The driver looked OK in the video...but here are "stock" E36M3 numbers from R & T, Car & Driver. Motor Trend tests - drivers who test for these magazines has to be excellent ones...

1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

:alright

Really i have an old car and driver that shows 14.1 on a 95 m3, and 0-60 in 5.5. Btw i have seen 350z's run 15's at the track. That doesnt mean its 15 sec car.

afew links http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648257&highlight=1%2F4+mile+times

Stock m3 in the 1/4 http://videos.streetfire.net/search/bsaint/0/1c9ce4b9-7560-46f3-8ff1-52d773e73ba0.htm

Enjoy.;)

mosr 350 owners are young and wet behind the ears. Jap car companies are real good at making cars seeeeem like their sports cars..IE si/350z/ser

mosr 350 owners are young and wet behind the ears. Jap car companies are real good at making cars seeeeem like their sports cars..IE si/350z/ser

This statement confuses me, I bought my 350Z for almost 30 grand and put almost another 10 into it. I can buy a decent running M3 for under 10,000. I think you have it the other way around my friend.

mosr 350 owners are young and wet behind the ears. Jap car companies are real good at making cars seeeeem like their sports cars..IE si/350z/ser
fyi, the 350Z is technically more of a sports car than any e36.

That last statement confuses me?

Just because you payed more - it is faster?

BTW - I do find the E36 M3 crowd around here do seem to over exaggerate a bid about the cars... but not by much....

...E36 M3 > Jeebus in tuxedo T-shirt > 350Z. ...

:lol

fyi, the 350Z is technically more of a sports car than any e36.


What do you mean by this statement? I was under the impression that the 3 series BMW is considered as a sport sedan/coupe vehicle.

Below is a statement straight from "Wikipedia"

"The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car manufactured since May 1975. The E90 is the 5th generation 3 series. Available from MY2006 to present, it is offered as the sport sedan(E90), sport wagon(E91), sport coupe(E92), and sport coupe convertible(E93). The E90 series is completely re-engineered from the E46, including changes to motor choices, transmission, the passenger compartment comfort, suspension technology, as well as a host of High-Tech features and options.

The 3 series is not only one of BMW's most important models, it also accounts for a majority of worldwide sales."

So yes, 3 series are by definition a true sports car.

we see this all the time how fast 350z or g35 is but I have never lost to one ever not in the 1/4 not around a road course. My car is not f1 but not stock

What do you mean by this statement? I was under the impression that the 3 series BMW is considered as a sport sedan/coupe vehicle.

Below is a statement straight from "Wikipedia"

"The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car manufactured since May 1975. The E90 is the 5th generation 3 series. Available from MY2006 to present, it is offered as the sport sedan(E90), sport wagon(E91), sport coupe(E92), and sport coupe convertible(E93). The E90 series is completely re-engineered from the E46, including changes to motor choices, transmission, the passenger compartment comfort, suspension technology, as well as a host of High-Tech features and options.

The 3 series is not only one of BMW's most important models, it also accounts for a majority of worldwide sales."

So yes, 3 series are by definition a true sports car.

No, it's a sport sedan/coupe/wagon. And your statement from Wikipedia supports this classification.

No, it's a sport sedan/coupe/wagon. And your statement from Wikipedia supports this classification.

Ok, you lost me here. I was using this a a reference to show you that all the 3-Series models are considered as a sports/sedan/coup/wagon; IE E21, E30, E36, E46, and E90-E93.

The definition of a sports car is "An automobile designed for performance driving."

Please reference this link for the full meaning --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

What do you mean by this statement? I was under the impression that the 3 series BMW is considered as a sport sedan/coupe vehicle.

Below is a statement straight from "Wikipedia"

"The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car manufactured since May 1975. The E90 is the 5th generation 3 series. Available from MY2006 to present, it is offered as the sport sedan(E90), sport wagon(E91), sport coupe(E92), and sport coupe convertible(E93). The E90 series is completely re-engineered from the E46, including changes to motor choices, transmission, the passenger compartment comfort, suspension technology, as well as a host of High-Tech features and options.

The 3 series is not only one of BMW's most important models, it also accounts for a majority of worldwide sales."

So yes, 3 series are by definition a true sports car.
go look up "sports car" in wikipedia

No, it's a sport sedan/coupe/wagon. And your statement from Wikipedia supports this classification.
thank you :)

Ok, you lost me here. I was using this a a reference to show you that all the 3-Series models are considered as a sports/sedan/coup/wagon; IE E21, E30, E36, E46, and E90-E93.

The definition of a sports car is "An automobile designed for performance driving."

Please reference this link for the full meaning --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

I'm wincing as I quote a Wikipedia piece as a reference, but you obviously missed this part of this link:

...A car may be a sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as sport compacts, sports sedans, muscle cars, hot hatches and the like, generally are not sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars. Often, performance cars of all configurations are grouped as Sports and GT cars, or, occasionally, as performance cars.

...

Back to jworms' original point...the 350Z is more of a "sports car" than the E36. I believe everyone is aware that the E36 is a sports sedan/coupe/wagon.

Ok, you lost me here. I was using this a a reference to show you that all the 3-Series models are considered as a sports/sedan/coup/wagon; IE E21, E30, E36, E46, and E90-E93.

The definition of a sports car is "An automobile designed for performance driving."

Please reference this link for the full meaning --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

yeah and what does that second sentence say on that wiki page? which e36 has 2 seats?

Please.. Enough already.. :nono
Stop nit picking at the statements. Because you see Two Seats" make it less of a sports car? Read the entire page. That’s is why it is used as reference. The term True sports car is meaningless.

Cars could be compact to large, Two door to Four, Two seats to Four. The bottom line is the car handles, brakes, and accelerates well. So well that it is used in GT Racing suggest Sport Cars in mind.

Jesus Christ, all i wanted to do was apologize to that dude for what i said about his girl, i'm sure we can all let this thread die now and hold it until the next heated debate thread comes up in a couple of days.

Jesus Christ, all i wanted to do was apologize to that dude for what i said about his girl, i'm sure we can all let this thread die now and hold it until the next heated debate thread comes up in a couple of days.

Sorry for Hi-jacking my apologies. I had difficulties with someone's post.

Please.. Enough already.. :nono
Stop nit picking at the statements. Because you see Two Seats" make it less of a sports car? Read the entire page. That’s is why it is used as reference. The term True sports car is meaningless.

Cars could be compact to large, Two door to Four, Two seats to Four. The bottom line is the car handles, brakes, and accelerates well. So well that it is used in GT Racing suggest Sport Cars in mind.

this specific discussion wouldn't have occurred if you didn't make such false statements as you did previously in this thread. the 350Z is way more of a "true sports car" than the e36 is. if the term true sports car is meaningless then why did you choose to use it:
So yes, 3 series are by definition a true sports car.

you were wrong, plain and simple. it's ok.

Can someone just settle this crap?

Somewhere in this universe of ours, there is a stock E36 M owner, and a stock 350Z owner that either know each other, or are close to each other.

Take a vid of each driving his/her own car, then switch cars. With the vid, you'll be able to tell if the other is sandbagging while driving his/her opposite's car. Hopefully, there won't be none of that going on.

Better yet, take both to a timed track, and have a 3rd party get the best times out of the cars (is Dave [Silverstreak] available? ;)).

Can someone just settle this crap?

Somewhere in this universe of ours, there is a stock E36 M owner, and a stock 350Z owner that either know each other, or are close to each other.

Take a vid of each driving his/her own car, then switch cars. With the vid, you'll be able to tell if the other is sandbagging while driving his/her opposite's car. Hopefully, there won't be none of that going on.

Better yet, take both to a timed track, and have a 3rd party get the best times out of the cars (is Dave [Silverstreak] available? ;)).

if only it were that easy.

if only it were that easy.

Bro you consider this heavily modded?

re:
UUC EVO III SSK | M50 Intake Manifold | Conforti 3.5" CAI | AA Software | 3.5" HFM (unplugged)
Fan Delete | Strömung Exhaust | UUC Stg2 Ltw Flywheel w/ Stg1 Clutch | X-Brace | AA Track Pipe

super saloon ftw

Bro you consider this heavily modded?

re:
UUC EVO III SSK | M50 Intake Manifold | Conforti 3.5" CAI | AA Software | 3.5" HFM (unplugged)
Fan Delete | Strömung Exhaust | UUC Stg2 Ltw Flywheel w/ Stg1 Clutch | X-Brace | AA Track Pipe

I don't recall jworms ever claiming to be heavily modded. He said he is not slightly modded. There's a big difference.

This debate is ridiculous.

The word car describes sedans, coupes and roadsters.

So to say something is a "sports car" is making a more general statement than saying something is a "sports sedan." It's a bit silly to say a car can be a "sports sedan" and not a "sports car."

In terms of which one is more of a "sports car," you should put the two of them on a track and see for yourselves.

For what it's worth, on an 80-120 roll my E36 came out on top of the Z 03-05 by 1-2 car lengths.

Bro you consider this heavily modded?

re:
UUC EVO III SSK | M50 Intake Manifold | Conforti 3.5" CAI | AA Software | 3.5" HFM (unplugged)
Fan Delete | Strömung Exhaust | UUC Stg2 Ltw Flywheel w/ Stg1 Clutch | X-Brace | AA Track Pipe

huh? how did my car get involved in this? for the record i don't consider myself heavily modded, but i am definitely not near stock.

This debate is ridiculous.

The word car describes sedans, coupes and roadsters.

So to say something is a "sports car" is making a more general statement than saying something is a "sports sedan." It's a bit silly to say a car can be a "sports sedan" and not a "sports car."

In terms of which one is more of a "sports car," you should put the two of them on a track and see for yourselves.

For what it's worth, on an 80-120 roll my E36 came out on top of the Z 03-05 by 1-2 car lengths.

this has already been discussed thoroughly in the e36 M3 section of this forum: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=754758

the general consensus is that the e36 is NOT a sports car by definition. I was merely correcting Morfeus17 when he claimed it was more sports car than a 350Z.

I love this section!! On some days, it's even better than OT. :alright

criteria for sports is two doors. i HATE 350z, but, yes it is more sports car than E36 M3 or for that matter E46 M3 will ever be.

huh? how did my car get involved in this? for the record i don't consider myself heavily modded, but i am definitely not near stock.

Gotcha.

Here's what I was refering to

yeah i ran a 13.7 but i'm not slightly modded like what is being portrayed here. slightly modded to me is just intake and exhaust

I was reading that other 350z thread that was closed and didn't really undertsand what you meant. Now I know, no harm intended.

The reason I asked is because the only mod I see that differentiates you from "slightly modded" is your track pipe, imho. CAI, exhaust, 3.5" maf, chip, and m50 mani are pretty easy mods that a large number of E36's have.

Not trying to argue, the defintion of "slightly modded" is obviously in the eye of the beholder. By the sounds of it I think most of you guys disagree with me?

Gotcha.

Here's what I was refering to


I was reading that other 350z thread that was closed and didn't really undertsand what you meant. Now I know, no harm intended.

The reason I asked is because the only mod I see that differentiates you from "slightly modded" is your track pipe, imho. CAI, exhaust, 3.5" maf, chip, and m50 mani are pretty easy mods that a large number of E36's have.

Not trying to argue, the defintion of "slightly modded" is obviously in the eye of the beholder. By the sounds of it I think most of you guys disagree with me?

in my opinion the m50 manifold, amongst other things, puts you a step above slightly modded just because of the power gains and work required to install it. but yes, like you said, it's really all in the eye of the beholder. in all honesty this 'slightly modded' or 'heavily modded' crap is just bogus non-technical gibberish. that thread you pulled that quote from is comparing a very lightly modded e36 M3 (cai, 3.5" maf, and software) to a stock 350z. someone tried to compare my car to a stock 350Z but my car hardly fits the description of the e36 M3 that was raced in that thread, which is why i said what i said.

Hmm...I've seen (or more like 'heard of') lightly modded E36 M3s (I/C/E) running mid 13s..a bunch of them. Don't ask me to back that up, though.

350Z can only run mid to low 14's....but will *sometimes* get a high 13 in the 1/4 (probably wit teh nawz). No matter what proof your show me (time slips, vids, verified ET lists, links, etc.) ..I know what I know and I learned it all here on Bf.c

Besides...if a 350Z could beat an M3...wouldn't you think there would be a few threads about it? No one claims to have been beaten by a 350Z...far from it.

Shoot...just about everyone states "I haven't lost to a 350Z, yet ;)"

Shouldn't that tell you sumthin'.

E36 M3 > Jeebus in tuxedo T-shirt > 350Z.

BTW..if you don't have a bimmer..you should leave this forum.

be nice.....not everyone can have hte toys they want.....

That was actually a pretty nice post for me, Jim.

There is an STi vs Evo shootout every year to let the rivalry settle it on the drag strip/autox/track. It definitely keeps the boards somewhat clear of the Evo vs. STi threads. Maybe an E36 M3 vs 350Z shootout would be a better way of settling things instead of 3 or 4 threads a month.

Also, if I could have the toy I wanted, my driveway would host a '73 Carrera RS.

That was actually a pretty nice post for me, Jim.

There is an STi vs Evo shootout every year to let the rivalry settle it on the drag strip/autox/track. It definitely keeps the boards somewhat clear of the Evo vs. STi threads. Maybe an E36 M3 vs 350Z shootout would be a better way of settling things instead of 3 or 4 threads a month.

Also, if I could have the toy I wanted, my driveway would host a '73 Carrera RS.

4g63 ftmfw???

Pretty much. There are a few fast STys...but it's like a 1:5 ratio against the fast Evos.

E36 M3 vs. 350Z shootout..maybe a central location like Texas? I'll start organizing it right away... I'll get Konig, Jensen Audio and Bodykits.com to sponsor it.

These threads make me want to get a camcorder in my car just for the kills, and not posts any words what so ever. :eyecrazy

i kill ed a 350z 2006 tooo wooowooowooowoooo

i kill ed a 350z 2006 tooo wooowooowooowoooo
swweettt :lol

350zlow

350zlow


ya my friends e36 m3 is very zlow