Even if they are just practice times BMW is looking very impressive!

Hungarian GP first free practice times

1. Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber 1:22.390
2. Felipe Massa (Bra) Ferrari 1:22.519
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Ferrari 1:22.540
4. Fernando Alonso (Spa) McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.585
5. Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.654
6. Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber 1:22.891
7. Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams-Toyota 1:22.983
8. Jenson Button (GB) Honda 1:23.294
9. Rubens Barrichello (Bra) Honda 1:23.601
10. Ralf Schumacher (Ger) Toyota 1:23.802
11. Anthony Davidson (GB) Super Aguri-Honda 1:24.102
12. Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota 1:24.318
13. Alexander Wurz (Aut) Williams-Toyota 1:24.321
14. David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull-Renault 1:24.474
15. Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) Renault 1:24.733
16. Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1:24.905
17. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Renault 1:24.920
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi (Ita) Toro Rosso 1:24.976
19. Takuma Sato (Jpn) Super Aguri-Honda 1:25.307
20. Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 1:25.584
21. Adrian Sutil (Ger) Spyker-Ferrari 1:26.332
22. Sakon Yamamoto (Jpn) Spyker-Ferrari 1.28.118

I doubt McMerc or Ferrari tried all that hard in the first session. Second round of practice is looking pretty good so far.

I doubt McMerc or Ferrari tried all that hard in the first session. Second round of practice is looking pretty good so far.

doubt? 100% sure they didnt the wrote the book on sand bagging

doubt? 100% sure they didnt the wrote the book on sand bagging

They didn't air the 1st practice session on Speed, I'm just going on what the commentators are saying now.

But I agree with you. They wrote the preface and the book. :rofl

the McLarens are looking strong:D

Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1:24.905
Vitantonio Liuzzi (Ita) Toro Rosso 1:24.976

owwwww.......Vettel is soooo much faster than Liuzzi.......

can't wait to see how he does compared to scott speed....

I have a feeling the car is just a turd.....

Yeah, too bad the race is 4:30AM western time . . . yet there's a NASCAR news show followed by a speed news show (read:NASCAR recap) on at 1 and 2PM . ..

Fuck NASCAR and fuck speed for broadcasting nothing but it. It's a racing channel. They should be broadcasting RACES, not grocery store aisle drama magazines in TV form. :mad

Blame it on this guy:

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/rupert_murdoch_card.jpg

BMW is def doing better then years before.

BMW is def doing better then years before.

BMW Sauber needs to put Nick and Robert in check before this race, they nearly took each other out last race.........i understand they're racing, but use some damn common sense......they're gonna make it easy for everyone else by taking each other out......:nono

Yeah, too bad the race is 4:30AM western time . . . yet there's a NASCAR news show followed by a speed news show (read:NASCAR recap) on at 1 and 2PM . ..

Fuck NASCAR and fuck speed for broadcasting nothing but it. It's a racing channel. They should be broadcasting RACES, not grocery store aisle drama magazines in TV form. :mad

I agree this is so stupid. Speed isn't even re-airing the f1 race on sunday either get up at 7am or miss it. freakin sucks.

Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1:24.905
Vitantonio Liuzzi (Ita) Toro Rosso 1:24.976

owwwww.......Vettel is soooo much faster than Liuzzi.......

.....

Not bad for his first day in the car?

I agree this is so stupid. Speed isn't even re-airing the f1 race on sunday either get up at 7am or miss it. freakin sucks.

But they're re-airing it on Wednesday!

At 1:30PM EST :rolleyes

NASCAR coverage that isn't even race/qual/practice = blows.

I agree this is so stupid. Speed isn't even re-airing the f1 race on sunday either get up at 7am or miss it. freakin sucks.

Speeds lack of common sence to air races at normal hours is the main reason I got a DVR. Like last winter when they thought it would be cool to air the BTCC at 12am PST on Monday or Tuesday night:rolleyes

Not bad for his first day in the car?

remember how vettel did in USGP in a BMW?

let see how that performance compares with this weekend.

I agree this is so stupid. Speed isn't even re-airing the f1 race on sunday either get up at 7am or miss it. freakin sucks.


or


TIVO/DVR it and watch it when u wake up in the morning...thats what I do.

remember how vettel did in USGP in a BMW?

let see how that performance compares with this weekend.

Vettel was as good as Kubica was. He scored points in his first race. In his first time in the car he was faster than his teammate . . . He will be better than Speed.

Vettel was also in a BMW, not an STR that has been plagued with problems...

Speeds lack of common sence to air races at normal hours is the main reason I got a DVR. Like last winter when they thought it would be cool to air the BTCC at 12am PST on Monday or Tuesday night:rolleyes

They did that for a couple of months. They aired BTCC and German Touring cars at one or two am every Tuesday and Wednesday.

Vettel was also in a BMW, not an STR that has been plagued with problems...


exactly my point.............


but we shall see.....

Anyone watching qualifying? I don't think Vettel's car can turn!

Anyone watching qualifying? I don't think Vettel's car can turn!

Indeed, seems very sensitive to the wind

Indeed, seems very senstive to the wind

And Massa just got bumped in Q2? Wow...

Hamilton keeps throwing out 1.19.xxx - that's going to be tough to beat.

BMW in the three spot!

What is going on with Alonso & Hamilton??? Lewis has to be absolutely livid that he was held on pit row.

Way to go BMW !!!



yeah, wonder what is up with alonso and hamilton?????

When asked by Peter Windsor:
How much time did you miss the start of the hot lap by...
LH: as much time as I was held up...

oh my....

That was a strange incident indeed. Was it a team call, or did Alonso hold him up of his own volition?

Props to Heidfeld for an excellent qualifying effort.

He'll be in the perfect position to take the lead - after Hamilton takes Alonso out in the first turn. :D

Way to go BMW !!!



yeah, wonder what is up with alonso and hamilton?????

When asked by Peter Windsor:
How much time did you miss the start of the hot lap by...
LH: as much time as I was held up...

oh my....

I saw that too - things are about to erupt at McMerc! :bazooka:bigun2

How about when Ron Dennis approached Alonso with a very purposeful look on this face before the press conference. Alonso turned and walked away before Dennis could say anything to him.

I thought I liked Hamilton but I was so happy to see Alonso get pole after dicking with him like that.

Maybe I just wanna see some more drama.

Probably the latter. Gonna be an awesome race tomorrow.

Alonso is turning out to be the biggest a-hole in the sport. I would have applauded a punch to his face from Hamilton after that asinine performance. :shifty

Hamilton prooves once again that he is a consumate gentleman. I don't think I could have sat next to Alonso after that.

Alonso is turning out to be the biggest a-hole in the sport. I would have applauded a punch to his face from Hamilton after that asinine performance. :shifty

Hamilton prooves once again that he is a consumate gentleman. I don't think I could have sat next to Alonso after that.


So you're certain that Alonso made the call to sit in the pit lane? You're certain that the team didn't make him wait? Can Alonso sit in pit lane with his engine running and assess the amount of time he needed to eke out a hot lap while simultaneously keeping Hammy from his hot lap - without assistance from the team?


Gotta give Hamilton props either way. He was calm, cool, and collected in the press room. He's a star.

Its really amazing to see hamilton so calm in the interview room.... imagine if that was Massa... :rock:

It was either Alonso or Alonso's Engineer's call.

Go back and watch it, Ron Dennis was clearly not happy about it. The lollipop was up... who else was holding him back?

So you're certain that Alonso made the call to sit in the pit lane? You're certain that the team didn't make him wait? Can Alonso sit in pit lane with his engine running and assess the amount of time he needed to eke out a hot lap while simultaneously keeping Hammy from his hot lap - without assistance from the team?

Actually, it's possible. There's a good likelyhood he knew Hamilton was behind him. He obviously would have been kept aware of how close/far he was from the end of the session and how much he would need to push to get around on the out lap.

Count to ten and go....

No doubt the holdup was intentional. I don't think Alanso was acting alone, but he was sure the one to knowingly execute the sabotage. Notice that Alanso didn't say anything about it being an unfortunate incident and something they need to fix. He tried to brush it off as fast as possible.

All he did was prove he isn't good enough to beat Hamilton outright.

What I would like to see in this race is Massa to come find Alanso, take him out, and let Hamilton sail into the sunset for victory with BMW Sauber right behind him.

I don't think I have seen something this low in F1 in a long, long time.

We have a new villian in F1. Despite the outcome, fans will certainly judge and look down at Alonso for this. The truth was fairly obvious based on the film clips (in the pits and interviews), and body language from Alonso and Dennis. A desperate man doing desperate things to solidify his championship. Tactics he certainly learned from the great MS.

I don't think I have seen something this low in F1 in a long, long time.

It's only been a year or so.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b313/PlanetaF1com/Monaco_2006_F1_QLF_M_Schumacher.jpg

wow! that was some bullshit by alonso....... I clear that he is scared of Hamiltons threat to his championship hopes.

Cant wait to see Massa claw hiw way back to the front row......

Props to BMW!!


and vettel........well I guess now it is confirmed the car is a turd and maybe speed did have some speed in him after all.......

Dennis: Alonso not to blame for hold-up

AUTOSPORT.com By Mark Glendenning and Pablo ElizaldeSaturday, August 4th 2007, 17:27 GMT

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McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has exonerated Fernando Alonso following the incident involving the Spaniard and teammate Lewis Hamilton during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.

The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.

Alonso's incident is under investigation by the race stewards.

Although the Spaniard had been waved by his "lolly pop" mechanic to leave the pitlane, Dennis revealed Alonso's engineer had instructed him to wait.

"He was being counted down by his engineer," Dennis told reporters after qualifying. "He's under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence.

"And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."
Dennis confirmed that Hamilton had not obeyed an order from the team to let Alonso past in order to allow the Spaniard to have an extra lap.

"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.

He further explained: "We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that's going to be enacted on the circuit.

"There are some procedural issues there on qualifying. One of the things that you'll have seen several times over the course of this season is long periods of time where the car has gone down to the end of pitlane and sat for a long time.

"In this situation, we are timed to when we can dispatch the car based on when the car reaches a given temperature, and then we know how long we can hold it at the pitlane.

"The cars are dispatched as soon as possible. In this instance, Lewis's car got up to that temperature first, we went Lewis, we sent Fernando, and the fuel burn characteristics [mean that] there is a small advantage which we play from driver to driver according to the nature of the circuit.

"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.

"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pitstops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap.

"So this really started from that position, and from our drivers not swapping position to get the right fuel burn in order to arrive at the point where we cut the end result to the end.

"Now, as you have often asked the question, and let me make it a very honest answer, it is extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers. There are definite pressures within the team. We make no secret of it. They are both very competitive, and they both want to win, and we are trying our very hardest to balance those pressures.

"Today we were part of a process where it didn't work, and the end result is more pressure on the team. But what you hear is the exact truth of what happened, and we will manage it inside the team through the balance of the season.

"Obviously Lewis feels more uncomfortable with the situation than Fernando. That's life, that's the way it is, and if he feels too hot to talk about it then that's the way it is.

"But what I've done is, I have given you an exact understanding of what took place today. And it's just pressure, competitiveness, and that's the way it is. We've just got to get on and deal with it, but we're not hiding from it.

"We're sat on the front row of the most difficult Grand Prix to win as regards to overtaking, and therefore we want to get on with the race.

"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."

Dennis: Alonso not to blame for hold-up



Great minds, great timing. :) (Deserved its own thread.)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10251863#post10251863

What the hell happened to Massa?

Dennis: Alonso not to blame for hold-up

AUTOSPORT.com By Mark Glendenning and Pablo ElizaldeSaturday, August 4th 2007, 17:27 GMT

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McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has exonerated Fernando Alonso following the incident involving the Spaniard and teammate Lewis Hamilton during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.

The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.

Alonso's incident is under investigation by the race stewards.

...

While it's easy to believe all of that, I don't hold much by it. Since the action is being investigated, it's best for McLaren to publicly state that the whole thing was inadvertent. Then, privately, they handle disciplinary action.

"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."

haha, why not having both drivers and Hamilton gives a thumbs up?

The engineers aren't stupid. They adapt every race continuously to get the best straqtegy, but then intentionally hold 1 driver long enough that they can't have both drivers go for a hot lap?

:bs

They could have released Alanso a couple seconds earlier and had both of their drivers on flyers.

Ron Dennis is getting good practice at covering for other's BS in his organization.

Look at how the mechanics cheered after Alonso got pole. I can't say Alonso didn't play a part in that, but I don't think he was alone.

Massa - WTF?

Heidfeld - WOO!!

Alonso will start from 6th

Drama! McLaren's up by 20 or 30 points, so the penalty won't hurt them too badly.

Heidfeld may have a shot at this one - at least a podium.

:(

wow what a freakin debacle lol. interesting to see how this all plays out ahh how i love the drama that is f1 racing.

Alonso will start from 6th

That's so ghey - I can't believe they docked him 5 positions.

That's so ghey - I can't believe they docked him 5 positions.
Why?
They have move others from the front to the back of the grid for similar.

Because it is hard to prove that this completely the driver's fault.

Obviously, McLaren took the biggest hit this weekend.

Because it is hard to prove that this completely the driver's fault.

Obviously, McLaren took the biggest hit this weekend.
You are kidding right it was about as obvious as Schumi's BS move at Monaco.
He sat there for 10 seconds with the lollipop pulled away and if you watch the video closely of the stop about 4 seconds after the lollipop is pulled the crew member nearest Alonso is motioning for him leave and Alonso just stared at him as Hamilton sat behind.

You are kidding right it was about as obvious as Schumi's BS move at Monaco.
He sat there for 10 seconds with the lollipop pulled away and if you watch the video closely of the stop about 4 seconds after the lollipop is pulled the crew member nearest Alonso is motioning for him leave and Alonso just stared at him as Hamilton sat behind.

I think it's bullshit because it's a team issue - let the team handle it. It's not like there was a rules violation or something happened on the track. If Fernando and Lewis want to get into a pissing contest, by all means let them. It's Ron Dennis' problem to address, not the FIA.

You are kidding right it was about as obvious as Schumi's BS move at Monaco.
He sat there for 10 seconds with the lollipop pulled away and if you watch the video closely of the stop about 4 seconds after the lollipop is pulled the crew member nearest Alonso is motioning for him leave and Alonso just stared at him as Hamilton sat behind.

Alonso's race engineer was on his radio - telling Alonso to wait. You have no idea what was really going on. Neither does anyone else.

Anyway, great race by Hamilton to hold off Kimi, and a good show by Alonso to claw back to 4th. Kudos to BMW on the podium finish!

WTF was going on with Massa this weekend?

Anyway, great race by Hamilton to hold of Kimi, and a good show by Alonso to claw back to 4th. Kudos to BMW on the podium finish!

WTF was going on with Massa this weekend?


Excellent finish by Heidfeld. I've never given him much respect, but he's really come on strong this year.

Alonso looked like he might have a podium, but Heidfeld had other plans. Still, fourth is a fine finish after the beating he received at the hands of the stewards. By contrast, Massa couldn't pass Sato. It's like he lost the fire after the pit stop snafu in qualifying.

Excellent finish by Heidfeld. I've never given him much respect, but he's really come on strong this year.

Alonso looked like he might have a podium, but Heidfeld had other plans. Still, fourth is a fine finish after the beating he received at the hands of the stewards. By contrast, Massa couldn't pass Sato. It's like he lost the fire after the pit stop snafu in qualifying.

I thought the same thing - Massa just didn't seem to care after the Q2 error. Great battle by Heidfeld and Alonso late in the race - great to see BMW do well and finish 3rd.

First of all... Great job to BMW !!! Nick and Kubica both did BMW proud.... :)

and its great to see hamilton and kimi being on top.... cant wait for 3 weeks for the turkish GP... I just wish they have more races in the year.....


enjoy!

I'm wondering if there was something askew on Massa's Ferrari. He really was well off the pace.

Good race, I wanted Alonso on the podium to hear what he would say in the interview room!

I think it's bullshit because it's a team issue - let the team handle it. It's not like there was a rules violation or something happened on the track. If Fernando and Lewis want to get into a pissing contest, by all means let them. It's Ron Dennis' problem to address, not the FIA.
The FIA isnt pissed because of the delay, its pissed because McLaren tried to cover it up as a team issue, when it was a driver issue.

The FIA isnt pissed because of the delay, its pissed because McLaren tried to cover it up as a team issue, when it was a driver issue.

exactly correct.

remember in f1 team orders are not allowed, so the team holding hamilton up to help alonso is in violation of the rules anyway. but all of this notwithstanding every driver (even the ones on the same team) are racing one another so you can't hold up anyone intentionally, regardless of whether or not he's your teammate.

so McLaren doesn't get any constructor points for the race?

I wish I saw the qualifying, but the times it was on t.v. were all fucked up. :confused Still happy with the outcome for the most part. The race was good. Hamilton did well to handle the pressure from Kimi.