Just saw this posted at SpeedTV.com:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/38951/

No other F1 news sites I've seen are saying anything, though. Anybody got any other news? Too bad for Scott, but I think everybody knew it was coming (if this is true).

Maybe he'll land at David Richard's new team... running customer McLarens.

im sure hes out. if u get in a shoving match w/ur boss, say some real shit to the media during a bad race weekend, and/or ur boss is heavily talking to someone who might come in to replace u, chances r u might be getting fired sooner than later. only time will tell whos at fault in this disagreement.

STR is not being run very well. They should go ahead and fold and put the money into RB and get them performing better

Hmmm... 8 DNFs in 10 races? 4 DNFs blamed on mechanicals, but who is to say they were not driver-induced? Scott Speed has had his chances time and time again. As much as I would love to see an American contend the Formula 1 World Championship, Scott Speed was not the contender I had been hoping for. I wish young Sebastian Vettel luck in his possible ride, though. Maybe we will see Scott appear in the Champ Car World Series, as there should be a seat opening-up soon...

Some say that the entire Torro Rosso team was put in place simply to uphold Red Bull's proclamation to put an American in Formula 1. The problem is that Scott's "money" was coming from Red Bull, and they seem to have fired him. Unless he has some serious sponsorship proposals in the works, we may not see him in anything next year. Lord known he doesn't have the family finances of Timo Glock or Nelson Phillipe. Whatever, Bernie killed the USGP and now the powers of Formula 1 have killed the remaining tarnish of America's influence in their precious racing series.

Christopher

Too bad. Looks like antanio is on his way out too. We'll see I guess.

I think most people saw this coming. I'm actually surprised he lasted this long.

Though its sad to see the ax chopping down the USGP and now the firing of Speed from STR, im actually excited to see what new drivers will race in Speed's/Liuzzi's seats. I am PRAYING for Bourdais, i simply love the way he performs and he well deserves a chance at F1. Vettel has always proved to be fast in testing and practices and it would nice to see what the kid can deliver in STR's mid-pack (at best) F1 car. Coulthard and Weber are somewhat confirmed in RBR BUT im just a tad bit confused. Reb Bull has said that the reason behind keeping Coulthard and Weber is to provide the team and its drivers with knowledge and precious experiences that can be helpful in the development of the team. Why not put Speed as Coulthard's wingman and Liuzzi as Weber's? It doesnt make sense to me to put 2 old drivers together...theres no passing down experience to someone whos been in the game for almost as long as you have...

Hmmm... 8 DNFs in 10 races? 4 DNFs blamed on mechanicals, but who is to say they were not driver-induced? Scott Speed has had his chances time and time again. As much as I would love to see an American contend the Formula 1 World Championship, Scott Speed was not the contender I had been hoping for. I wish young Sebastian Vettel luck in his possible ride, though. Maybe we will see Scott appear in the Champ Car World Series, as there should be a seat opening-up soon...

Some say that the entire Torro Rosso team was put in place simply to uphold Red Bull's proclamation to put an American in Formula 1. The problem is that Scott's "money" was coming from Red Bull, and they seem to have fired him. Unless he has some serious sponsorship proposals in the works, we may not see him in anything next year. Lord known he doesn't have the family finances of Timo Glock or Nelson Phillipe. Whatever, Bernie killed the USGP and now the powers of Formula 1 have killed the remaining tarnish of America's influence in their precious racing series.Christopher

Liuzzi and Speed had almost identical records. Torro Rosso just sucks, and starting the team up was a terrible idea.

Combination of a bad team and Green drivers.....

Look at 2-time world champion Emerson Fittipaldi. He decided to create his own team and car and race it. From 1976-80 He never finished better than 10 in the WDC in his new team. They DNF 7 out of 15 races their last year. It was only thru his genius as a driver and some good luck that he did manged to get a 2nd place with Fittipaldi team once.

So you see, even a 2 time world champ cannot be competitive in a poor performing team and car.

Put Hamilton or Alonso in a Toro Roso and you will only see marginally better results on occasion, maybe a podium (or close) here and there even.

There is only so much a driver can do.

Senna in his days as a Toleman driver would barely be able to get himself out of the cockpit due to the car beating him up so much and being hard to drive. His hands would be raw and bleeding. Senna because he was a god managed to finish well when the car lasted to the end. In his second and last season with Toleman out of 12 races they entered the team DNF'd 7 times! When he did finish he got an amazing 2, 7, 3, 3!! But he is senna and not a good example in this case but he finsihed 9th in the WDC that year so as far as championship goes you definatly need to first finish to be in the game.

So I think altough I am not a Scott Speed fan by any means I think his team was weak and that has stunted or impaired his growth as a driver.

I hope he lands on his feet and get another chance before going into retirement in Nascar or INDY or champ car.

But there are a large crop of drivers I want to see on the F1 grid.
Bruno Senna
Nelsinho Piquet
Luca di grassi
Alexandre negrao

well basically any brasilians!!!! :buttrock:D:buttrock

That picture in the article isnt even SS, its Tonio.

Shame if its true. Scott was in a lose-lose situation... you cant turn down a seat in F1, but running with a backmarker team will only make you look bad.

If you clowns think Bordais is gonna do any better, be prepared for similar results.

Scroll down:
http://www.dromo1.com/forum/messagedisplay.asp?id=4013

Read about the scuffle :)

Read about the scuffle :)
from what I read, it was the boss who pushed Scott.
honestly, I never really liked Scott Speed that much, but I really did like he and Tonio as drivers. They worked with what they had, which was crap, and they knew it, but they still went out and tried to get some points. Even if STR got Bourdais, they still would probably rarely get any points...they cars just suck.
Jake

If you clowns think Bordais is gonna do any better, be prepared for similar results.

Cant wait to see that smug frog fall on his keester.

Bourdais will do just fine in F1, lets all wait and see what happens before we start making any presumptions.

Im shocked at the situation in STR with Speed, that kind of thing is simply unprofessional in a sport where professional image is critical. STR has lost a ton of my respect.

I hope Speed stays in F1, he was nothing short of expectations with the team he was in. Cmon, did anyone really expect him to win with STR?

TR will be for sale soon and Todt junior is rumored to take over. He is the manager of two time champion ART team in GP2, Bourdais' manager and son of Jean todt, ferrari boss, ferarri being the motorist of TR team. Seems to me like TR could be a strong middle pack runner next year.

TR will be for sale soon and Todt junior is rumored to take over. He is the manager of two time champion ART team in GP2, Bourdais' manager and son of Jean todt, ferrari boss, ferarri being the motorist of TR team. Seems to me like TR could be a strong middle pack runner next year.

I see another potential controversy-strewn season in that case... Considering Adrian Newey being on RBR, and STR having Newey influence. No wonder RBR and STR seem to always be near each other at the starting grid... :rolleyes

Seems to me like TR could be a strong middle pack runner next year.

Because some who you think *might* be in charge has connections? What does that have to do with ENGINEERING the car? Is there something about good Aero that comes with knowing Jean Todt that I don't know about?

He should always be referred to as "The American Scott Speed", as if there is a negative connotation with being an American, which to most of the rest of the world there is.

If you're young in F1 you need to occasionally show brilliance or just outright speed to stay around, he just showed mediocrity which just doesn't cut it unless you bring sponsorship money.

Because some who you think *might* be in charge has connections? What does that have to do with ENGINEERING the car? Is there something about good Aero that comes with knowing Jean Todt that I don't know about?

having nicolas todt (the son of jean todt, the manager of felipe massa, a prooven winner in GT2) leading a team with a ferrari customer engine is bound to tighten the link somewhat between TR and Ferrari, maybe... and from next year on team can buy their chassis from somebody else ;) So they could either fully benefit from Newey's work (this car is not is, next year will be different) if they stay close from RB or from ferrari, either way it will be an improvment.

Here is the updated version that just came out..

Germany’s Sebastian Vettel showed up for the Scuderia Toro Rosso test Wednesday at Mugello, Italy but embattled American Scott Speed was still in the car.

Following a stormy weekend at the Nurburgring, where Speed and team manager Franz Tost engaged in a screaming, then shoving match, it was reported by SPEEDTV.com the only American in Formula 1 would be replaced immediately by Vettel.

But the 24-year-old Californian remained behind the wheel as the open test began and Tost told Autosport that Speed was going to be in the car for next week’s Hungarian Grand Prix.

One of seven drivers to spin in the rain last Sunday at the Nurburgring, Speed had his confrontation with Tost, which led to the rumor he was out.

“As far as I know, Scott has not been released and he’s planning to go to the test this week in Italy ,” said Mike Speed, father of the former go-kart star, from his California home on Monday night. “But, obviously, there’s been a lot of things going on.”


This came on the heels of Speed’s first public comments about his treatment the past two years.

“It’s clear that from my bosses, that me and Tonio (Liuzzi) both have very little support,” Speed told RACER magazine’s Adam Cooper last weekend. “It’s been that way for the last two years, and it’s a lot more now. At some point I said I don’t care, if I’m not in F1 next year, if I’m with a different team, it’s OK for me. It’s actually made me lot more relaxed and a lot more calm, and I think I’m producing better results now actually.

“It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that Franz and Gerhard (Berger) are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio.”

Even though Speed has out-performed his teammate this year, neither has scored a point and Scott’s best showing was ninth at the Canadian Grand Prix. The Toro Rosso team is under-funded, by F1 standards, and half ofSpeed’s eight DNFs in 2007 have been mechanical failures.

SPEEDTV.com speculated several weeks ago that three-time Champ Car king Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Senna would replace Speed and Liuzzi in 2008 but, if Vettel is released from his contract with BMW, it appears he will join Bourdais.

“Nothing is official. They (Toro Rosso) have an option on me that expires at the end of this month so if something is going to happen it will have to be soon,” said Bourdais, who tested for the third time with Toro Rosso earlier this month.

Speed came through the Red Bull development program in Europe and it’s logical he might be able to use that connection to come to Champ Car since that series needs young American drivers. Co-owners Gerald Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven currently sport Red Bull sponsorship.

”We haven’t discussed anything like that,” said Mike Speed. “Scott never wanted to do anything but F1 and I don’t think that’s changed.”

I actually think Speed has been pretty solid. If you look at his DNF's very few were induced by his mistake. Most were mechanical when they are trying new stuff on the car (I subscribe to his newsletter). The fact that he and Luizzi were always so close in laptimes and always at about the same place on the grid is evidence that the car really held them back. He has had very few brain farts like, for example, Sato (and even Montoya who was often the cause of his demise). I highly doubt that Bourdais or anyone else could put that car in the top three.

Because some who you think *might* be in charge has connections? What does that have to do with ENGINEERING the car? Is there something about good Aero that comes with knowing Jean Todt that I don't know about?

they also have one of the chasis engineers from toyota if my memory serves me correct. he is supposed to be very good and is used to working w/newey from back in the day. from what i heard he was kindof like newey right hand, newey would come up w/the idea and he would execute it. TR has potential but only time will tell.