http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678

nice!!

3283 lb curb weight. Heavier than I had hoped. Not too surprising though.

under 3300 pounds.. not bad at all. With today's electronics and beefed up safety elements, that's not bad at all.

It looks like a cartoon car with sad headlight eyes from the front:

http://www.1addicts.com/images/7.jpg

3283 lb curb weight. Heavier than I had hoped. Not too surprising though.

Damn! I was hoping more like 3183 but I was expecting right around 3300 :(

Maybe I can get it under 3200 with no sunroof or nav. Gotta have leather and Bi-Xenons though.

3283 lb curb weight. Heavier than I had hoped. Not too surprising though.

don't they have to include full gas and 175lb driver in british curb weight though?

1560kg=3430 which includes 90% fuel and 75kg driver/luggage

So it's 3430 - 200 or so. So we're looking at 3200-3235lbs with no driver, no fuel, and no luggage. Not too bad...I just wanted it under 3300 and it looks like we'll get it. Mine will have no sunroof so it may be a tad under 3200.

I really like this interior better than the 3-series, to me it seems like it's a little driver oriented.

http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/13.jpg

don't they have to include full gas and 175lb driver in british curb weight though?

EU unladen weight is 1560 kg, which is 3439 lbs.

By definition, that's with a 68 kg driver, 7 kg of cargo, and 90% full gas tank.

I already converted that number to curb weight, 3283 lbs.

I really like this interior better than the 3-series, to me it seems like it's a little driver oriented.

http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/13.jpg

I think that's a bit of an illusion because the interior is a lil smaller, so everything is going to be a lil closer to the driver and looks a lil bigger.

I wish they'd bring the 3-door still, so i can get one used in a few years.:stickoutt

so its a lil porker but its gonna be fast...what i wanna know is if its going to have a Lsd option. If not I wonder if an e46 M3 or 330i Zhp diff will work

there will never be an LSD in this car... get it through your thick skulls!!!

there will never be an LSD in this car... get it through your thick skulls!!!

NO DAMN IT A PROPER CAR HAS A LSD AND BMWS SHOULD BE PROPER CARS.

also... they cite 40mpg on the highway for the 135i.... iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.

NO DAMN IT A PROPER CAR HAS A LSD AND BMWS SHOULD BE PROPER CARS.

you're frickin' diluted...

BMWs original press release said "no LSD" you should just accept that.

BMWs original press release said "no LSD" you should just accept that.

+1, there hasn't been a LSD option in a non-M BMW since the E36, and even then, primarily OBD-I E36-es. As much as it may suck, it is the way of things.

The interior is nice. It's modern but it's not way over the top like the 3 series and M3. The navigation units in those cars are real big and bulky and look like an ATM screen the way they add a big hump to the dash.

I wish they would angle the cockpit more towards the driver like in my car.

Will there be an M1? and when will that be out with what motor? Maybe this is answered already...but i'm lazy right now.

there hasn't been a LSD option in a non-M BMW since the E36, and even then, primarily OBD-I E36-es. As much as it may suck, it is the way of things.

this is a widely accepted and 100% false statement.

ALL Z3 3.0i cars (coupe or roady) came with an LSD, some clutch-pack type, some torsen.



however... those are the ONLY cars since about 1996 to show up with an LSD and no M badge.

Will there be an M1? and when will that be out with what motor? Maybe this is answered already...but i'm lazy right now.


zero chance in the known universe.










unless they release an uber-high-strung 4-banger for europe only.

this is a widely accepted and 100% false statement.

ALL Z3 3.0i cars (coupe or roady) came with an LSD, some clutch-pack type, some torsen.



however... those are the ONLY cars since about 1996 to show up with an LSD and no M badge.

You gotta be joshin' me...

*checks realoem*

Well, damn. I did not know that. Thank you for correcting me.

werd...

see: post count.

why don't they offer an LSD? what's the reason behind no LSD option?

why don't they offer an LSD? what's the reason behind no LSD option?

To kep the "M" badge more prestigous.

wow nice. thanks.. however, car is kinda heavy...

so is this car more for the person who just wants to "own" a BMW? i get the feeling that its not for the car enthuasist because it is so heavy. why on earth would they make a car, in that price range, and still be so heavy?

but with that said, thanks for the link...the brochure is awesome and i love the coupe! it just looks so nice. (in my dreams there will be the 135 in crimson red with alaska gray interior)

It's really not all that heavy. The weight figures are with 90% fuel, driver, and luggage. Take out the driver and luggage and it weighs about the same as an E36 with fuel. So in reality, it's actually lighter than an E46 or E39. The E82 is also going to have a full list of airbags and electronics, so really, if you think about it, it's not heavy at all. Plus 300HP/300TQ, with more EASILY and CHEAPLY available...:devillook

why don't they offer an LSD? what's the reason behind no LSD option?

good grief, how many times to we have to go over this!!!!!!

search read learn. get with the program people!!!

Indeed, the car isn't all that heavy, given all the madated and "brand required" safety equipment. Heck, all those airbags have to weigh at least 200lbs, sound deadening is another 50-100lbs, iron block, primarily steel skin, the list goes on and on. Comparing the weight to other cars in its class (R32, Evo, STi, Pontiac GTO) it is more on the low side. Heck, what did you think, the thing would weigh in like a Miata? Even those are creeping to the 2500lb mark, and those have a tiny, NA 4 banger, no roof, and very thin body panels. Not to mention it is smaller.

You would be hard pressed to find a car that weighs less than 3000lbs new today with this kind of power/weight ratio.

Indeed, the car isn't all that heavy, given all the madated and "brand required" safety equipment. Heck, all those airbags have to weigh at least 200lbs, sound deadening is another 50-100lbs, iron block, primarily steel skin, the list goes on and on. Comparing the weight to other cars in its class (R32, Evo, STi, Pontiac GTO) it is more on the low side. Heck, what did you think, the thing would weigh in like a Miata? Even those are creeping to the 2500lb mark, and those have a tiny, NA 4 banger, no roof, and very thin body panels. Not to mention it is smaller.

You would be hard pressed to find a car that weighs less than 3000lbs new today with this kind of power/weight ratio.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. About the only thing I could think of that would screw the balance is this. The old I6 was iron right? The new I6 is magnesium, and I think the turbo I6 is aluminum. So the older cars had a heavier motor, but less safety equipment. The new cars have lighter engines, but more safety equipment. I think it's great that I can buy the 135i and have it weigh the same as my 14yo M3, have more power, and far better safety and comfort features.

there will never be an LSD in this car... get it through your thick skulls!!!

The MINI didn't have one either until enough people bitched about it.

You figure as well, a lot of other cars that are competition for this car, the GTI, the Mazdaspeed 3, etc, all come with an LSD included, or at least as an option. We all know their current policy of thinking that no LSD is 'good enough' but the track tests we've seen from Top Gear and Fifth Gear vs. the GTI seem to indicate it most certainly isn't.

That is such a small intercooler.

wow. 300lbs more then my z4, which needs extra bracing because its a vert. ANd they said this is for the enthusiasts. Of course its gonna be fast as hell, but I stand by my point that for a 1-series, its too heavy. Not too heavy to be slow in a straight line, but too heavy to toss like a salad

The MINI didn't have one either until enough people bitched about it.

You figure as well, a lot of other cars that are competition for this car, the GTI, the Mazdaspeed 3, etc, all come with an LSD included, or at least as an option. We all know their current policy of thinking that no LSD is 'good enough' but the track tests we've seen from Top Gear and Fifth Gear vs. the GTI seem to indicate it most certainly isn't.

the marketing dept doesn't care.

and those cars aren't the competition BMW is aiming for... the A3 is.

and those cars aren't the competition BMW is aiming for... the A3 is.

I don't think BMW is aiming at the A3 at all or they would have brought the 5 door hatch to N America. Although it will steal some A3 sales, that flop certainly isn't the target. I think BMW has realized the need for a less expensive high performance car to satisfy enthusiasts and at the same time will capture younger buyers who will be introduced to the brand and eventually buy 3s and 5s. I actually think the highly tunable 30-35k Japanese cars (such as STi and Evo) will be most affected by the 135.

also... they cite 40mpg on the highway for the 135i.... iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.

british gallons are different from US gallons

It's really not all that heavy. The weight figures are with 90% fuel, driver, and luggage. Take out the driver and luggage and it weighs about the same as an E36 with fuel. So in reality, it's actually lighter than an E46 or E39. The E82 is also going to have a full list of airbags and electronics, so really, if you think about it, it's not heavy at all. Plus 300HP/300TQ, with more EASILY and CHEAPLY available...:devillook

I think with regards to the weight issue, it's a disappointment that it only came out to 133 lbs lighter than the noticably larger 335i.

british gallons are different from US gallons


huh?

huh?

The imperial gallon, which the UK uses is just over 1.2 US gallons.

I really like this interior better than the 3-series, to me it seems like it's a little driver oriented.

http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/13.jpg

I don't know if the interiors of he hatch and coupe are different but that is definitely a slight exaggeration of the front seat space. The rear passengers wouldn't have much leg room - anyone over 6 ft may have an issue in the back seat with the seats pushed back like that.

british gallons are different from US gallons


DOH! I knew that too...

I think with regards to the weight issue, it's a disappointment that it only came out to 133 lbs lighter than the noticably larger 335i.

I get what you're saying but remember this. If the 1 series came with aluminum fenders, hoods, truck lids, etc. it would weigh a lot less. All these things come at a premium ($$$), and BMW decided to not add these things to the 1 series. If you want those extra weight savings, you have to step up to a 3 series. Hell a 5 series is only a few pounds heavier than a 3 series.

Real life spotting
- http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741

:buttrock:buttrock Love that bootlid!

Real life spotting
- http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741

:buttrock:buttrock Love that bootlid!


Thanks for sharing. This car has grown on me a ton since my first sight already.

I'm thinking black now. What you think?

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f341/cozza75/135iBlack.jpg

ill take one in white!

s54 swap.:evil2

Quaife will have a diff for it, probably pretty fast like they did for the 335i, but it'll be 1500 $ without install

I think the Quaife's are better than a clutch type LSD anyway, but expensive, the lsd option on my mini was only 500 $

I think with regards to the weight issue, it's a disappointment that it only came out to 133 lbs lighter than the noticably larger 335i.

I am really suprised that it is so close in weight to the 335i.

I was hoping that it would be closer to or less than 3,100#'s.

ill take one in white!

s54 swap.:evil2

S54 swap?? Why would you want to do that when the twin turbo 135i engine is already getting boosted to faster speeds than the S54 m3 :confused

Loving that rear more and more

captured from http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796



http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1290&stc=1&d=1185151511

Are all those colors going to be available in the US too?

Are all those colors going to be available in the US too?

Doubt it, there's always some kind of trim and color that doesn't make it here. :mad:mad

why don't they offer an LSD? what's the reason behind no LSD option?
LSD option?
If you want some LSD, I know a guy downtown on the corner who sells it cheap.

why don't they offer an LSD? what's the reason behind no LSD option?

If the big brother 335i doesn't have it then the 135i would never have it.

so theirs not going to be a dakar yellow 135i.. this really blows

wow. 300lbs more then my z4, which needs extra bracing because its a vert. ANd they said this is for the enthusiasts. Of course its gonna be fast as hell, but I stand by my point that for a 1-series, its too heavy.

Evos and WRXs weigh about this much, maybe a bit more. As far as cars go nowadays, 3200 is pretty damn light; as light as you're going to get without it being a cheapo pos econobox suckage or something. Its probably 3200 because of stability and such...so it wont rattle and whatnot.

Also, Z4 coupes are heavier than Z4 verts. Its true. E90 is also only 20lbs heavier than the E92. Lately its all bassackwards
That is such a small intercooler.

I'm assuming its going to be the same size as the 335i intercooler, which is a pretty damn decent size for stock. IIRC its a 3"x3"x18" or so long core. The one shown in the picture is probably the same one, but thats the 4 cyl 123d anyways.
If the big brother 335i doesn't have it then the 135i would never have it.
1 series is supposed to be more enthusiast based...anyways its been mentioned that they'll use the brakes to mimick an LSD, just like all of the Mercs do now. When one wheel starts slipping, put a bit of brake on it and let the other one catch up. Kinda gay/half-assed, but its better then strictly open diff.

you're new to BMW, aren't you?

that or you're 12.

its been mentioned that they'll use the brakes to mimick an LSD, just like all of the Mercs do now.

ummmmm. stop listening to the marketing department. you will get much farther in life this way.

ummmmm. stop listening to the marketing department. you will get much farther in life this way.

is that not exactly how it's supposed to work?

I want one!

you're new to BMW, aren't you?

that or you're 12.

I've worked for Southpointe BMW for two years now..care to enlighten us on what I've said wrong?

ummmmm. stop listening to the marketing department. you will get much farther in life this way.

I didnt say it would work perfectly you dumbass, I said they're using it to mimick an LSD. Unless you know something plenty of reliable sources out there dont know, I'd suggest you should refrain from basing speculation as fact.

should these be the 3 series instead ??? Bmw's are getting fat at an alarming rate.

I've worked for Southpointe BMW for two years now..care to enlighten us on what I've said wrong?



I didnt say it would work perfectly you dumbass, I said they're using it to mimick an LSD. Unless you know something plenty of reliable sources out there dont know, I'd suggest you should refrain from basing speculation as fact.

I think DH was lamenting the BMW guys calling it "electronic LSD" since it has a distinctly different purpose than a mechanical LSD.

The "electronic LSD", like you said, is a system designed to stop wheelspin. That is the main goal. However, calling it a LSD is something of a misnomer, as a true LSD's goal isn't to stop wheelspin, but to put more power to the ground. A true LSD stops wheelspin by redistributing the power between the two wheels connected to it, whereas the "electronic LSD" simply removes the exrtra energy from the system via the brakes. The mechanical LSD is therefore faster since it doesn't simply bleed away the energy that would have gone into wheelspin.

At least, I think that is the point DH is trying to make.

I think DH was lamenting the BMW guys calling it "electronic LSD" since it has a distinctly different purpose than a mechanical LSD.

The "electronic LSD", like you said, is a system designed to stop wheelspin. That is the main goal. However, calling it a LSD is something of a misnomer, as a true LSD's goal isn't to stop wheelspin, but to put more power to the ground. A true LSD stops wheelspin by redistributing the power between the two wheels connected to it, whereas the "electronic LSD" simply removes the exrtra energy from the system via the brakes. The mechanical LSD is therefore faster since it doesn't simply bleed away the energy that would have gone into wheelspin.

At least, I think that is the point DH is trying to make.


indeed, indeed...

You would think a standard LSD would be

1 cheaper
2 simpler
2 lighter

You would think a standard LSD would be

1 cheaper
2 simpler
2 lighter

Not really, I'm afraid.

1- All the traction control hardware already has to be in the car, largely for the ABS system. The ABS wheel speed sensors detect when wheelspin occurs, and the ABS controller can then selectively brake that wheel. So all the hardware exists and is largely implemented. The entire system really is just fancy programming. (and not really all that fancy, in terms of the basic function)

2- Like in #1, it is all already there, and it all already works.

3- Mechanical stuff is heavy. Computer parts are light. Granted, the performance advantage outweighs the minimal weight gain, but given #1 and #2, BMW's choice makes sense.

So, really, it makes sense why BMW would do this standard. Why not offer it as an option, I don't know, aside from stratifying the M cars from the standard models more.

I've worked for Southpointe BMW for two years now..care to enlighten us on what I've said wrong?



I didnt say it would work perfectly you dumbass, I said they're using it to mimick an LSD. Unless you know something plenty of reliable sources out there dont know, I'd suggest you should refrain from basing speculation as fact.

MIMIC!!!

I Haff Trubble Speelign Sory

I read a short article on the newstand in Bimmer Magazine that had information from BMW Techfest 2007 that talked a little about the 1 series' new differential. The marketing material linked to in this forum talks about it being new, smooth and little. But this article described some sort of electronically activated braking system inside the differential. So it's possible that the car actually doesn't use the rear brakes to stop the inside wheel from spinning, it might be internal to the diff. Better than the all electronic system? As good as a mechanical LSD? No idea. We'll have to see once it gets into our hot little hands.

Once again, I realize the marketing material clearly says the traction control system uses the rear brakes to stop the spinning inside wheel, but the engineering information may contradict that. I'm sure engineers out there have never run afoul of a marketing person's candied description of something technical. :rolleyes:

If someone has that mag, maybe they can look it up, I didn't buy the whole thing just for one sidebar.

I dont think any production car has had anything electrical at all inside the differential housing. Its extremely loud with all sorts of vibrations in there, plus no real reason to have stuff in there.

As was mentioned before, nothing is better than a mechanical diff...I prefer Torsens as they dont wear out like clutches will

I just can't believe the thing is 3300lbs. What a pig. I was under the impression this was supposed to be BMW bringing back the lean and mean small car. What's the point if it is almost as heavy as the new 3 series? I suppose cheaper is the point. I would hope this doesn't get beyond $30k new.

I just can't believe the thing is 3300lbs. What a pig. I was under the impression this was supposed to be BMW bringing back the lean and mean small car. What's the point if it is almost as heavy as the new 3 series? I suppose cheaper is the point. I would hope this doesn't get beyond $30k new.

The 135 is supposedly going to be about 35k, with the 128 around 28k. It is supposed to go between the Mini and the 3, in terms of pricing.

Also, the weight isn't all that bad for what it is, but I am as dissapointed as you are by it.

I wouldnt buy a car that's too light.. period. Its not worth being at the mercy of nascar watching f-150 drivers who know they can slam you into the wall if you piss them off for no reason at all. This weight seems pretty good to me. This is gonna be a great car.

oh, and btw you hotrodders out there must know that some weight must be over the rear wheels in order to launch.

I wouldnt buy a car that's too light.. period. Its not worth being at the mercy of nascar watching f-150 drivers who know they can slam you into the wall if you piss them off for no reason at all. This weight seems pretty good to me. This is gonna be a great car.

oh, and btw you hotrodders out there must know that some weight must be over the rear wheels in order to launch.

I dont think weight is gonna help if I decide to plow into you with my 5600 pound F150

while I do feel a little unsafe in my 2000 pound 1974 2002, I feel safe in my mini cooper, I've seen enough crash test videos to put the weight issue at rest

inertia is a bitch, but that's why all these people want a 2000 pound car, so they can track/auto-x them, weight kills the ability to toss a car around

I dont think weight is gonna help if I decide to plow into you with my 5600 pound F150



:lol

point take then.. i guess different people tend to use their vehicles in different ways.

:rolleyes

still think this is gonna be a great car but it doesnt bother me if others disagree... less dealer demand.

one less here, I picked up this last night

I'll revisit the 1 series option in 4 years when the warentee is up on this, next time I take a picture I'll try to remember to shut the door

http://www.geekopolis.com/gallery2/main.php/d/6044-1/DSC_1367.JPG

one less here, I picked up this last night

I'll revisit the 1 series option in 4 years when the warentee is up on this, next time I take a picture I'll try to remember to shut the door

http://www.geekopolis.com/gallery2/main.php/d/6044-1/DSC_1367.JPG

Heh, you got the same exterior as the one I'm driving at the moment. Chili red, black racing striped, black roof, and aero kit. Next up are rally lights, right?

Dude this car is hot. I'm thinking of selling my car now, or trading it in for one of these! White, Red rims, Black interior, Red Trims, that is what I'm going to shoot for.

I just can't believe the thing is 3300lbs. What a pig. I was under the impression this was supposed to be BMW bringing back the lean and mean small car. What's the point if it is almost as heavy as the new 3 series? I suppose cheaper is the point. I would hope this doesn't get beyond $30k new.

If you want small and tossable wait a few years for the Z2. It's Miata sized and should come in under 2800lbs.

one less here, I picked up this last night

I'll revisit the 1 series option in 4 years when the warentee is up on this, next time I take a picture I'll try to remember to shut the door

http://www.geekopolis.com/gallery2/main.php/d/6044-1/DSC_1367.JPG

Hey looks good. Did you price out the JCW kit? I can't find any prices on miniusa.com

one less here, I picked up this last night

I'll revisit the 1 series option in 4 years when the warentee is up on this, next time I take a picture I'll try to remember to shut the door

http://www.geekopolis.com/gallery2/main.php/d/6044-1/DSC_1367.JPG

What's that blue car in your garage? That's exactly the type of shape and feeling the 1-series coupe gives me... the classic BMW styling. :buttrock

Blue car is a 1974 2002, flared, korman engine, it's a fast fun little car


My mini got tinted last week, and black rims this weekend

http://www.geekopolis.com/gallery2/main.php/d/5104-2/DSC_1257.JPG

I'm thinking black now. What you think?

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f341/cozza75/135iBlack.jpg

That is great, but those are the 335i sport 18" wheels. Thats the wheel I like. Wish it came with those!!!

I think with regards to the weight issue, it's a disappointment that it only came out to 133 lbs lighter than the noticably larger 335i.

The 135i will weigh about 3250# dry. The 335i coupe manual weighs 3571# dry, thats a 321# difference. I have the 335i catalog in front of me now.

3250# isn't that heavy nowadays in the USA. With all the air bags, safety stuff, and insulation, its not bad. Especially in a car that has 300# TQ. @ 1400 rpm's. AWESOME.

I have a new 07 Honda Civic Si sedan that weighs #2900. Its quick and has only 139# TQ. @ 6100rpm. 197HP @ 7800 rpm. Best 0-60 is 6.4 sec.

The 135i will BLOW it away. My 07 TL-S auto had 286hp @ 6200rpm and 256# TQ. @ 5000rpm it weighed 3674# and did 0-60 in 5.7 sec.

I can't imagine how fast the 135i will feel.

Remember that the 335i doesn't have an LSD and its fast as FCK.

The question is,,, will the 135i completely loaded cost under $36k ???
I hope so. If I was to get a 335i, I would get the coupe, manual, sport pkg, and leather, cost $44k and thats without many of the fancy items. I don't care about nav, bluetooth, etc, but it would be great to get it all. I just can't spend over $44k on a car. The 135i with everything for $35-36k would be awesome. WOW.

ok so i think i'm sold on a new car now lol.. i've been keeping an eye on the 1 series for quite a while and if the BF is gonna shove me into a BMW (since i can't find a half-way decent E30 anywhere in the south that isn't 15,000+) it should be this one... very nice =D

Anyone get hands on US brochure yet???