View Full Version : My DIY 3.5" Intake (E36 M3)


CRYPTiC
06-08-2007, 03:59 AM
Spurred on by recent DIY threads and the lure of increased performance for my OBDI M3, I decided to put together my own 3.5" intake. Just wanted to let you guys see the results so far by making a vanity post. ;)

I'm not going to make a DIY out of this, but I'll list the parts and tools I used in case anyone is curious.

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9392/img6842resizeuz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Parts


3.5" 540i HFM (same as Euro) - $140 from the forums
Turner Motorsport 413+HFM chip - $100 from the forums
9" long S&B filter with inverted code and 3.5" neck - $35 from eBay
3.5" aluminum tube with 45* mandrel bend - $20 from eBay/forums
3.5"-to-3" silicone reducer with 90* bend - $20 from siliconeintakes.com
3.5" silicone coupler - $7 from atpturbo.com
3/4" heater hose - $3 from AutoZone
hose clamps - $5 from various
adhesive/sealant/glue - $5 from AutoZone

So that's about $335 and some of your time. Compare that with $880 from ECIS or $1000 from TMS/JC; neither include a smooth transition elbow, but they do come with a heat shields. I don't have a heat shield yet.

Tools


X-acto or hobby knife for best results
hack saw or circular saw
sand paper or Dremel for smoothing/deburring
latex or nitrile gloves

Smooth Intake Elbow

The elbow is a 3-layer 3.5"-to-3" silicone transition, with the 3" side trimmed a bit for clearance against the strut tower on the 3.5" side. The ports for the vacuum lines are 3/4" rubber heater hose, cut just long enough so that neither port has anything sticking into the cavity of elbow when the vacuum lines are attached. The silver markings on the hose were from a silver Sharpie marker I when cutting the elbow.

I used a layer of two-part epoxy between the elbow and the hoses, followed up with an outer skin of oil- and fuel-resistant sealant over the epoxy. After I put everything together, I realized that the epoxy I used is for a different kind of material; even after 24 hours of curing, it felt a smidge soft (but maybe I just didn't use the right mix of adhesive and hardener). The sealant dries rock hard, so, hopefully, it helps makes up for the epoxy choice. It's lasted more than a week so far!

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/722/img6819resizerw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4112/img6820resizegw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7619/img6821resizedk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9356/img6832resizeqy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1386/img6822resizear7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4642/img6824resizexm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4951/img6825resizeqd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9813/img6826resizeop1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3746/img6823resizevg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7431/img6827resizewk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1525/img6831resizerg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Air Filter

I choose the biggest filter I could find. Why? Because I can! The price difference between this and a normal sized filter wasn't that big, so jumped in head first. :eyecrazy

In all seriousness, it's likely a lot more filter than I'll ever need. It's 9" long with an inverted cone at the top. Once installed, there's a little bit of clearance around it, but not much. I don't personally know how big ZKW headlights are, but I'm guessing they won't play nice with this filter.

As far as I can tell, ECIS sells S&B filter cleaners, so I figured S&B filters should be decent. I plan to supplement the filter with a water repellent sock in the future for extra protection against all the dust, pollen, construction debris, and sudden heavy down-pours here in TX.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/8750/img6839resizetv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Plumbing

The elbow is mated to 3.5" aluminum plumbing. The tubing was mandrel bent, so there are no wrinkles/etc at all along the length of the tube. Between the final geometry of the elbow and the space requirements of the air filter, there's a length of straight tubing that may help with air metering. :dunno

The filter was put onto the tubing and everything mocked up and marked up before cutting with a hack saw. I would have used a circular saw to get a perfectly straight cut, but all I had at the time were hand tools; this isn't a big deal since it'll be covered anyway. All cuts were deburred with the Dremel first and finished with sandpaper. Watch out for the metal filings when you cut!

Here's the gist of the before and after. Somewhere between 2" and 4" had to be cut from either end.

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3729/c53b1bpz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/3258/img6840resizelp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Final Assembly

Fortunately, everything fit together without too much fuss. The only messy thing you'll need to do is zip tie the intake air thermostat since there's no longer anything for it to connect to; OBDII cars do not have to worry about this (I think).

For the clamps, be aware that the HFM housing is slightly larger than 3.5". A T-bolt clamp meant for 3.5" tubing plus silicone may or may not fit. My clamps didn't, so I had to use regular hose clamps. :(

Some people are concerned about the "ghettoness" of a DIY elbow, but I assure that you can't see any of the construction unless you specifically look for it.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1096/img6863resizevk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3789/img6848resizeon6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6697/img6849resizejy7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Performance

Sorry, I've got no dyno charts to post, so anything I say is only an opinion. The car seems to be smoother, more responsive, and stronger with everything installed, but it's hard to tell how much each piece helped. All I know is that I pay for premium gasoline, so I might as well get the chip (and associated gadgetry) that will make use of it. :stickoutt

Future Plans


The thing I don't like this set-up is that the filter is basically suspended by the HFM, which is in turn held in place by the intake elbow aft of it and the charcoal canister below it. I want to rig something up so that some of the movement of the filter when the car is in motion will be braced by the cruise control mounts.
A sock/prefilter/precharger/etc would help keep larger debris out of the filter pleats.
Of course, I need a heat shield. I've got some alumalite (two thin sheets of aluminum sandwiching a layer of corrugated polyethylene) that I may use if I'm feeling ambitious. Otherwise I'll just grab something aftermarket.

Reference Links


http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=708734 ("Mpact-like" silicone boot for $20)
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=694819 (My Next Set of Mods...)
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410836 (Air induction systems primer)

(Continues here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10002802&postcount=38))

CRYPTiC
06-08-2007, 04:04 AM
And this is how my intake looked while I was waiting for the 3.5" straight coupler. :shifty

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2403/img6838resizefk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

m3beemer16
06-08-2007, 04:38 AM
nice work! subscribed for Silicone Tube DIY reference ;)

sirius600
06-08-2007, 05:23 AM
Dude, very nice write-up. I've been thinking about doing this for some time now, and your setup matches exactly what i had in mind. Cheers. :D



Future Plans
The thing I don't like this set-up is that the filter is basically suspended by the HFM, which is in turn held in place by the intake elbow aft of it and the charcoal canister below it. I want to rig something up so that some of the movement of the filter when the car is in motion will be braced by the cruise control mounts.
A sock/prefilter/precharger/etc would help keep larger debris out of the filter pleats.
Of course, I need a heat shield. I've got some alumalite (two thin sheets of aluminum sandwiching a layer of corrugated polyethylene) that I may use if I'm feeling ambitious. Otherwise I'll just grab something aftermarket.

I think i know what your talking about. What you could try is fabricating a thin strip of metal that hooks around the hose clamp then to that (cruise control?) module as some pre-fabed intakes do. Such as this one from Cosmo Racing:
http://www.cosmoracing.com/sale/gallery/bmw36189295.jpg

You could then use a hump coupler in place of the hose between the aluminum tube and HFM. This will provide the flex your looking for.

http://www.turbohoses.com/Hump.htm

CRYPTiC
06-08-2007, 11:12 AM
Thanks for the compliments, guys. :D

The nice thing about the T-bolt clamp is that it exposes some threads when it's clamped down. I'm going to see if I can get some kind of threaded hollow shaft to run the length between the plumbing and the cruise control bracket. That should take care of horizontal movement. Considering the distance and the lever arms involved, I'm not sure anything involving the CC bracket would do anything to help with vertical movement. :shifty

m3chaser
06-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Very nicely done! Why not just go deep down in the bumper like the cosmos intake? I personally like the sound of the cosmos better then a short ram intake with a heat shield like most companies put out.

CRYPTiC
06-08-2007, 01:00 PM
Thanks. :)

Two words regarding the bumper: filter cleaning. When I had a filter down there, it got dirty very quickly because I was missing an underpanel. Between taking apart my bumper, removing my wheels and fender liner, and/or fighting with the small opening leading to the bumper, I eventually threw in the towel.

The other reasons I don't like the bumper area is that the bract duct, fog lights, and shape of the wheel well necessitated a really small filter. Since I was going for a 3.5" intake, I didn't think that made much sense .

But I agree: logically it's a better location since it's mostly isolated from the engine compartment. This is especially true if you have the block-off plate I've seen on some brands of intakes.

Mad Dog 20/20
06-08-2007, 02:38 PM
By far one of the most sano-looking DIY intakes I've ever seen. Nice job.

That cheap boot is actually a better radius than the samco boot I paid 5 times as much for.

The only area I'd change would be the 45 degree tube connected to the filter - its got a really small radius. I'd have gone w/ a 30 degree bend or a longer radius 45, but thats minor.

Good work.

Don Nguyen
06-08-2007, 03:22 PM
That was a very nice write up, good job.

CRYPTiC
06-08-2007, 04:08 PM
Now that you mentioned it, I have to agree on the plumbing bend radius. It can be better. :(

Surprisingly, the cheapie Cosmo Racing (not Cosmos Racing) 3" intake that came with the car had a very large radius bend on it. Not bad for something that you find on eBay...

JETninja
06-09-2007, 02:41 AM
Very Nice, but like you said, you need a box. My AA works so well at keeping out the heat, on frosty mornings otw to work (35M) when I park and the entire car frosts up except the hot hood....I get a 12" square of frost on the hood directly above the Box. :D

Balthazarr
06-09-2007, 03:10 AM
Great work there, Crypt.
I, like you, picked up a large inverted cone filter that won't fit in the bumper.
Been debating whether to cut down my cosmos a few inches or use a short coupling to HFM.
My K&N filter was torn at the metal pleats from being in proximity to the area where the horns are.
The nose was essentially jammed down in that hole.
Filter was filthy too despite not being inside the bumper cover.

badluckM3
06-09-2007, 06:56 AM
I made my TB boot last week the same way as cryptic. Much easier to use 3/4" heater hose instead of cutting the nipples off your stock boot. Anywho, I already had a Cosmos V2, and just installed 3.5 HFM, 24# Injectors, Chip, and this boot. Great upgrade. Here's a couple pics with the Cosmos:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/benbimmer/Driver.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/benbimmer/PassSide.jpg

lseguy
06-09-2007, 07:34 AM
looks great.

The "better feel and more power" you are experiencing is most likely the added sound messing with your senses. Chances are you have possibly lost a few HP.

But again..looks good.

badluckM3
06-09-2007, 07:57 AM
looks great.

The "better feel and more power" you are experiencing is most likely the added sound messing with your senses. Chances are you have possibly lost a few HP.

But again..looks good.

Not a chance in hell I lost HP. It's definitely not about looks, else I'd have the cleanest engine bay around. This is one of the best upgrades for an OBD1 M3. Proven results time after time by nearly every person who's done it. How's it I could've possibly lost HP?

And just did headers, new mid-pipe with x-pipe and resonators only, bolted with my TSE I already had. There's no way you can say a loss in HP will result with this mod, even without the exhaust work. The car pulls harder and smoother all the way though now.

Very interesting thought though, I'd like to know your reasoning.

Balthazarr
06-09-2007, 01:10 PM
Does the V2 come in different colors?
First time I've seen one.

lseguy
06-09-2007, 01:20 PM
Not a chance in hell I lost HP. It's definitely not about looks, else I'd have the cleanest engine bay around. This is one of the best upgrades for an OBD1 M3. Proven results time after time by nearly every person who's done it. How's it I could've possibly lost HP?

And just did headers, new mid-pipe with x-pipe and resonators only, bolted with my TSE I already had. There's no way you can say a loss in HP will result with this mod, even without the exhaust work. The car pulls harder and smoother all the way though now.

Very interesting thought though, I'd like to know your reasoning.

Reasoning? I've personally seen two E36 M3's dynoed with JUST a cone air intake. (Notice I refuse to succumb to the marketing hype and call it "Cold Air" intake. That's a joke). On BOTH, they actually lost a bit of torque and HP. This was after the owners had SWORN they had better "throttle response and much more power". Both M3's, however, picked up something like a solid 3hp each after a piece of cardboard was placed between the cone and the engines fan. The fan wash was disrupting airflow and causing underhood turbulence which killed a bit of power. Not much mind you. The cardboard was temporary, and I seem to recall both owners getting some form of protective box for the cone to rest in. The warmer underhood temps werent as big of an impact as the fan wash.

Another friend didnt notice any real gains until he got an aftermarket chip/flash to bring in a bit more fuel to go along with the added air.

But again..the only real way is to dyno a before/after measurement. But the added intake noise will sure make you feel like you have more power, even if in fact you have dropped a few HP/Torque...

badluckM3
06-09-2007, 01:28 PM
Does the V2 come in different colors?
First time I've seen one.

Yes, V2 comes in Black, Blue and Red

CMG
06-09-2007, 01:31 PM
So are you saying basically that it's a matter of needing to use a heatshield to isolate the airflow?

Mad Dog 20/20
06-09-2007, 01:33 PM
A shield is a must. No doubt. Sucking underhood air is a no-no.

However, shielded intakes (which are true CAI) have consistently shown dyno gains of 8-12 whp. This is very very old news.

Mad Dog 20/20
06-09-2007, 01:41 PM
I refuse to succumb to the marketing hype and call it "Cold Air" intake. That's a joke.

Does anybody even sell cone intakes without a shield or isolating the filter behind the bumper cover. They all isolate the filter from the engine bay. Its been this way for many years.
ECIS, Conforti, AA, Dinan, the Dinan replica's, etc. are all COLD AIR INTAKES as they receive air exclusively from outside of the engine bay.

What are you talking about?

Who sells an e36 intake consisting of JUST a cone and calls it a CAI?

badluckM3
06-09-2007, 01:43 PM
I agree with Mad Dog for intakes that sit up high in the engine bay as cryptic's. But I relocated the horn and Cosmos is nested behind the bumper. I do plan on however modifying the brake duct inlet to allow more flow straight to the intake too.

Balthazarr
06-09-2007, 01:44 PM
I guess I need a shield then.
My filter sits high enough to be touching the hood insulation.
Was in dire need of a new filter, so I just settled for what I could find at the time.

lseguy
06-09-2007, 01:45 PM
So are you saying basically that it's a matter of needing to use a heatshield to isolate the airflow?

That's a must. And also be aware that the lower the cone is/hosing to the cone is, the more prone you are to a hydrolock situation in a deep puddle/flood. Obviously none of us would ever intentionally drive through deep water situation..but accidents do occur. And in that situation, you'd be more likely to hydrolock with a low, exposed cone than you would with the stock airbox

lseguy
06-09-2007, 01:46 PM
Does anybody even sell cone intakes without a shield or isolating the filter behind the bumper cover. They all isolate the filter from the engine bay. Its been this way for many years.
ECIS, Conforti, AA, Dinan, the Dinan replica's, etc. are all COLD AIR INTAKES as they receive air exclusively from outside of the engine bay.

What are you talking about?

Who sells an e36 intake consisting of JUST a cone and calls it a CAI?

#1. Im assuming we simply disagree on our basic definition of "cold".
#2. Look around this board..if not this thread. Plenty of folks have exposed cones with no shield/no box. Just trying to let them know that if they are going to run a cone..which is fine if thats their choice..then if they arent at least shielding it, they are probably losing HP

lseguy
06-09-2007, 01:47 PM
I guess I need a shield then.
My filter sits high enough to be touching the hood insulation.
Was in dire need of a new filter, so I just settled for what I could find at the time.

One option for you...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LARGE-AIR-FILTER-HEAT-SHIELD-KIT-4-COLD-AIR-INTAKE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33659QQihZ016QQi temZ260126670671QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

badluckM3
06-09-2007, 01:49 PM
#1. Im assuming we simply disagree on our basic definition of "cold".
#2. Look around this board..if not this thread. Plenty of folks have exposed cones with no shield/no box. Just trying to let them know that if they are going to run a cone..which is fine if thats their choice..then if they arent at least shielding it, they are probably losing HP

What's on your car?

lseguy
06-09-2007, 02:08 PM
What's on your car?

Just picked up the M3 in January, and for now, its stock mechanical-wise. At 80k, it did need suspension attention. Im old enough to recall how the E36 M3 rode and handled fresh out of the showroom. And that handling/ride was/is my target with this one. No more, no less. So when I noticed the tie rod ball joints and control arm bushings needed immediate replacement, it made labor sense to replace the struts/shocks/control arms/rear shock mounts all at the same time. And I went with OEM. Again, wanting the stock ride/handling, which is more than enough for me. in addition, with a Vert, you have a less stiff chassis anyways, and the last thing I need is a harsher ride to accentuate the already present cowl shake over rough roads. I'll inspect the RTAB's and rear ball joints in the next few weeks as well. But if they are fine, I'm not replacing them sinmply because it's the latest BFC trend. Car rides and handles well, the 4 wheel alignment went without a hitch, and the tread wear is even and satisfactory.

So..my first goal is to get it back to stock E36 M3 level. After that? Possibly a quality supercharger install. If Im going to do it, it's going to be done right. Period. But also keep in mind this isnt a daily driver, and will never see the track. It only comes out on weekends, and in dry weather. So my needs are far different from someone who has a dedicated, or even part time..track car.

Balthazarr
06-09-2007, 02:11 PM
That's a must. And also be aware that the lower the cone is/hosing to the cone is, the more prone you are to a hydrolock situation in a deep puddle/flood. Obviously none of us would ever intentionally drive through deep water situation..but accidents do occur. And in that situation, you'd be more likely to hydrolock with a low, exposed cone than you would with the stock airbox

True, but a bypass will, hopefully, prevent hydrolock.

lseguy
06-09-2007, 02:12 PM
True, but a bypass will, hopefully, prevent hydrolock.

You are correct.

Balthazarr
06-09-2007, 02:18 PM
What do people here think of the Spectre AF's?

///w3fl3x
06-09-2007, 02:22 PM
This is how my intake is mounted for the time being until i get around to going to 3.5" also. :)

Very easy to do via home depot and cheap also. :D

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/w3fl3x/6-09-07001.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/w3fl3x/6-09-07002.jpg

Oh don't mind the bug on my filter or the dirty engine bay. It's from my trip down to santa barbara from seattle last month for bfest. :D Just done with finals so an engine bay cleaning is in order next week of weather cooperates.

CRYPTiC
06-09-2007, 03:42 PM
This is how my intake is mounted for the time being until i get around to going to 3.5" also. :)

Very easy to do via home depot and cheap also. :D


Good idea. Do you have a picture of how the bottom of that bracket is bolted? I might do the same.

Mad Dog 20/20
06-09-2007, 06:12 PM
#1. Im assuming we simply disagree on our basic definition of "cold".
#2. Look around this board..if not this thread. Plenty of folks have exposed cones with no shield/no box. Just trying to let them know that if they are going to run a cone..which is fine if thats their choice..then if they arent at least shielding it, they are probably losing HP


In the context of an intake. "cold" is a relative term that means air of a temperature significantly cooler than the engine bay air and close to ambient.

Just about any shielded/isolated intake will achieve this goal. Of course, the OE intake does this as well.
Is anyone marketing an intake that does not?

///w3fl3x
06-10-2007, 11:19 PM
Good idea. Do you have a picture of how the bottom of that bracket is bolted? I might do the same.

Here you go. :)

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/w3fl3x/6-10-07.jpg

CRYPTiC
06-10-2007, 11:45 PM
Look good.

I can't remember off the top of my head what's down there. Are you using the hole for the nutsert for the fender liner, or the rubber stopper for the air box?

GMM
06-10-2007, 11:51 PM
nice

CRYPTiC
07-10-2007, 04:16 AM
(Continued from here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9760197&postcount=1))

Follow-up

It is done!

First here are pictures of the air filter. It's one big mofo and supports more flow than I'll likely need (more on that later). The top has an inverted cone for added intake surface area. On the inside of the filter is a plastic cone that I'm guessing is designed to help direct the air; it's hard to see in daylight, let alone photograph, but you can definitely feel it if you put your hand into the filter. I can't comment on the effectiveness of the filter media, but the overall quality of the filter is nice.

(FWIW, the coolant was bought for an emergency. The engine currently has Watter Wetter in addition to 50/50 water and BMW coolant.)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/363/img7188resizekg7.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2202/img7192resizenm6.jpg http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9307/img7196resizekx7.jpg

Filter Wrap

I decided to add a pre-filter because the last short intake I had wound up getting coated with fine dust and whatever debris that made it through the grills and around the headlights. Yes, I know that's what filters are made to do, but the occasional and heavy down-pour here in Texas means that whatever dust is trapped by the filter gets cemented into the media. Pre-filters incur a hit to intake flow, so I used a large filter size to help offset that.

The particular pre-filter/wrap I used is made by Outerwears to fit the dimensions of my filter to within ~1/4". I lucked out and ended up having a filter for which they produce a stock wrap; otherwise, there would have been a $10 fee for a custom pattern. They offer wraps in either standard or water-repellent materials. I opted for the latter and got a filter sock made from what I can only describe as a thick and sheer form of the textile used for umbrellas.

You can tell by blowing on the wrap that it's going to lower the peak flow of the filter. However, as long as the engine's not hitting flow limit, I think this is a moot issue.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/493/img7190resizeew0.jpg http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/596/img7199resizevw2.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6081/img7201resizelp1.jpg http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5771/img7203resizeyd4.jpg

Heat Shield and Finishing Touches

Finally, I installed an ECIS intake made for a 3.5"/Euro HFM. I have to say that I'm disappointed in the amount of bending required to make it fit the engine bay. Also, there a lot of "sharp" edges that I had to cover with door edge trimming to prevent damage to the car's sheet metal in the long term. The biggest annoyance, however, is that the charcoal canister (not applicable for OBDII) had to be lowered in order to align the intake plumbing with the opening on the heat shield.

In another preventive measure, I used some weather stripping from an old wheel well liner to keep the air filter from rubbing against the opening that leads to the bumper area.

The heat shield seems to do a fine job of holding the filter in place, so I'm not longer worried about bracing it.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4921/img7189resizenu1.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3047/img7206resizeay3.jpg http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4356/img7213resizelh1.jpg

Performance

It took some time for the wrap to be shipped out and delivered, so I got a chance to drive around with only the intake and heat shield for a week or two. My conclusion: if you don't have a heat shield, get one! My butt dyno measured a marked improvement in performance after driving around for a while compared to my previous set-up.

As long as you don't let the car stand still for too long, you'll find that the engine will get hot while the intake area will still be cool to the touch. If you open the hood after parking the car for about 30 minutes, you can feel heat conduction making it way into the intake area, so I image that the same could happen in stop/go traffic.

I've only just received and installed the wrap tonight, so I can't comment on its impact. I'm not expecting there to be much of a difference.

(Continues here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10276503&postcount=41))

nothingshocking
07-10-2007, 09:15 AM
Quality job! About to tackle something similar myself. Wish me luck!

CRYPTiC
07-21-2007, 04:10 AM
Quality job! About to tackle something similar myself. Wish me luck!

Post pics when you're done. :)

CRYPTiC
08-07-2007, 05:17 AM
(Continued from here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10002802&postcount=38))

Longevity Update

Just a quick follow-up after a month of use: Everything's held up fine except the exterior adhesive on the boot. Since the Seal All dries very stiff and didn't penetrate through the silicone elbow, it delaminated over time. I took the elbow off, chipped/cut off what I could and covered everything with black silicone adhesive sealant. (Another thread suggested DAP, but the only brand I could find locally was Permatex.) If I were doing this again, I would have just used it from the start because sticks to the elbow very well and looks like it's flexible enough to absorb engine vibrations.

sirius600
08-07-2007, 05:26 AM
For you, charcoal canister delete FTW. Im working on a DIY.

CRYPTiC
08-07-2007, 05:32 AM
For you, charcoal canister delete FTW. Im working on a DIY.

Post the link here when you're done and I'll add it to the first post. Thanks. :)

For now, I constructed a relocation bracket out of flat aluminum bar. It keeps the canister where I had it before (on the bottom hole) but offsets the canister a bit from the bracket and gives the canister another hole to attach to (to prevent twisting). If the power steering reservoir weren't in the way, I'd have made it fancier. :shifty

sirius600
08-07-2007, 05:50 AM
Post the link here when you're done and I'll add it to the first post. Thanks. :)

For now, I constructed a relocation bracket out of flat aluminum bar. It keeps the canister where I had it before (on the bottom hole) but offsets the canister a bit from the bracket and gives the canister another hole to attach to (to prevent twisting). If the power steering reservoir weren't in the way, I'd have made it fancier. :shifty

Interesting. Im keeping the original check valve that vents to the TB. Since the mount for this is molded to the canister, ive been thinking of using a few zip-ties though the two canister mounting holes to hold the check valve in place. Id like a cleaner solution, all i could think of would be a flat bracket with a flat hook coming out for the rubber valve surround to slide onto.

M3Alpine99
08-07-2007, 06:27 PM
I have a question.

On the 95 m3 the intake air temp sensor is INSIDE the intake track correct?

So then why does everyone zip tie it inside the engine bay? Wouldn't you want to REINSTALL it back where it was?

M3Alpine99
08-07-2007, 06:29 PM
In the context of an intake. "cold" is a relative term that means air of a temperature significantly cooler than the engine bay air and close to ambient.

Just about any shielded/isolated intake will achieve this goal. Of course, the OE intake does this as well.
Is anyone marketing an intake that does not?

I disagree. Conforti and ECIS BOTH heat soaked during HPDEs with my car.


Dinan Intake does not.

Spec3VR6
08-07-2007, 06:51 PM
I have a question.

On the 95 m3 the intake air temp sensor is INSIDE the intake track correct?

So then why does everyone zip tie it inside the engine bay? Wouldn't you want to REINSTALL it back where it was?


Intake looks great BTW

If the shield doesnt have a hole already pre drilled ( some of them do) then just break out a 1 inch drill bit and quick put a hole in the shield for the temp sensor. Maybe get some clear silicon sealant to hold it in place a little tighter. Ive done this to my conforti intake heat shield and it looks a lot better than zip tying it to the intake tube. Works well for me

L3000C
08-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Shield!!*$^&!@*$(&!@