My cars been in the shop for 3 weeks for the HPFP issue. Took Budman1 8 weeks to get his, several other posters here have been waiting over a month etc...

Here's my thoughts:

I could initiate lemon proceedings and use that as an anvil with BMW to negotiate a new lease on a new 335i (One that has Oil cooler and re-designed HPFP).

It's not so much that I'd like to walk away from the car or brand, kinda the contrary. But maybe even an M3 or 535i???

Hmm the possibility is intriguing.

What do you guys think? Is that crazy? I'm already stuck waiting ffor a FP for most likely another 5 weeks. I know that getting a new 335 will take 12-14 weeks, but I have another vehicle so I could get by....

I could get nav maybe..he he

Let me know our thoughts. Incluiding you Beer Goggles. I know I got chippy with ya, but I'd like to hear your take. :)

-Todd A.

Lemon Laws are not as easy as they seem, but if your car is till in the shop, I'd start to let BMW know that's where you leaning. I don't know what it is for Lemon in CA, but I want to say it's 30 days in the shop.

But I'd start to let the dealer know that's what you're going to do if something doesn't happen.

I don't want you to think that I think you should accept that your car is in the shop that long, but if they are taking care of you and driving a similar car it's not as big of a deal.

Odds are because I seem to not care that my car will be with yours, lol. But call BMW everyday and let them know that you're not happy, I think you can even consult a lemon law lawyer to see what you're options are, but realize that even in a LL case, you don't walk away with not paying anything...but who knows BMW may do something else.

you won't end up getting anything extra out of the deal if you go that route... in fact if you start blabbing about lemon law right away you'll just get referred to the legal department and believe me it will take a lot of time and money and probably not even get anywhere you can't get just by complaining. Is the dealer or BMW putting you up in a loaner car? that would be my first request... after that you can start pushing BMWNA a little harder, but I'm pretty sure none of it will get you a part quicker. If they have the car a whole month I'd push them to pay your payment... but even that will be quite a fight. just keep in mind that it isn't your dealer's fault that the part isn't available. as long as they're doing everything they can, be sure to give all 5's on the survey but make sure you complain about the delay and have them note it on the survey.

it usually takes 3 days to recieve the pump at our dealer. wonder whats up with parts at other dealers.

it usually takes 3 days to recieve the pump at our dealer. wonder whats up with parts at other dealers.


If you're serious, I'm going to pick up my car tomorrow and drive it over....

Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing...THe High pressure Fuel Pump on the 335i, right? not the standard pump in the tank.

-Todd A.

you won't end up getting anything extra out of the deal if you go that route... in fact if you start blabbing about lemon law right away you'll just get referred to the legal department and believe me it will take a lot of time and money and probably not even get anywhere you can't get just by complaining. Is the dealer or BMW putting you up in a loaner car? that would be my first request... after that you can start pushing BMWNA a little harder, but I'm pretty sure none of it will get you a part quicker. If they have the car a whole month I'd push them to pay your payment... but even that will be quite a fight. just keep in mind that it isn't your dealer's fault that the part isn't available. as long as they're doing everything they can, be sure to give all 5's on the survey but make sure you complain about the delay and have them note it on the survey.


We3ll, I've got a 328 loaner. I don't really have any gripes towrd the dealer. I was told to negotiaste with BMW after I get my car back. That, imo, seems to be negotiation from a weak position. I would rather negotiate from a position of strength.

I have to look at how difficult this process is.

Another factor is how much I put down on the car. Most people, after 6 months would only get a couple of grand back..not worth it. But since I put 20k down, it changes the equation somewhat.

Time will tell. Not looking to get anything extra...but rather perhaps into a vehicle (08) that's not inb it's shakedown phase.

-Todd A.

Ask them to make your payments for the time your car is in the shop plus one extra month.

your car hasn't been in long enough for you to lemon law it

We3ll, I've got a 328 loaner. I don't really have any gripes towrd the dealer. I was told to negotiaste with BMW after I get my car back. That, imo, seems to be negotiation from a weak position. I would rather negotiate from a position of strength.

I have to look at how difficult this process is.

Another factor is how much I put down on the car. Most people, after 6 months would only get a couple of grand back..not worth it. But since I put 20k down, it changes the equation somewhat.

Time will tell. Not looking to get anything extra...but rather perhaps into a vehicle (08) that's not inb it's shakedown phase.

-Todd A.
you put 20k down on a lease????

your car hasn't been in long enough for you to lemon law it

True, but at the end of next week it will be... dont really want to do it, though, just thinking about my options.

-T

you put 20k down on a lease????

You jealous?

he he. Called cash flow preservation. no big.

-T

You jealous?

he he. Called cash flow preservation. no big.

-T
no im not jealous. If anything, you'd be jealous of me if you knew my monthly payment.. :D

no im not jealous. If anything, you'd be jealous of me if you knew my monthly payment.. :D
I've never quite understood why a low monthly payment is such a good thing, unless you view it as a rental cost. With a low down payment and low monthly payment you have little if any equity built up at the end of the lease period. And if you can pay full cash for a car, your payments are even lower - zero.

I've never quite understood why a low monthly payment is such a good thing, unless you view it as a rental cost. With a low down payment and low monthly payment you have little if any equity built up at the end of the lease period. And if you can pay full cash for a car, your payments are even lower - zero.

I think your right on there. At least for me that's how I see it. I have my business footing the bill for the payment. I had other options if I could claim the car for business use. However, I don't use it for business purposes enough to fall in that category. Lower payment = free 300 hp monster ride for me.

20k down on a lease is insane, unless you plan on buying it anyway. Cash flow preservation would have had that money in the bank, but anyway.

Let us know what you do. Did you call BMW and talk to them to express that option?

20k down on a lease is insane, unless you plan on buying it anyway. Cash flow preservation would have had that money in the bank, but anyway.

Let us know what you do. Did you call BMW and talk to them to express that option?

Not Yet. It's Sunday Y'know.

Why Does everyone think I am crazy..The cost of the lease is the same whether your down is $1000 or $10000...(after you negotiate your money factor). I decided I wanted a Lower payment, that's all.

But yes, I do generally buy the car after the lease is up, because I negotiate a lower buyout as well.

This is factoring in here...I am concerned that the resale value of the 335 that's had FP issues and no Oil cooler could take a hit.

Not Yet. It's Sunday Y'know.

Why Does everyone think I am crazy..The cost of the lease is the same whether your down is $1000 or $10000...(after you negotiate your money factor). I decided I wanted a Lower payment, that's all.

But yes, I do generally buy the car after the lease is up, because I negotiate a lower buyout as well.

This is factoring in here...I am concerned that the resale value of the 335 that's had FP issues and no Oil cooler could take a hit.


Yes, but that money sitting collecting interest, even if you just put it aside, is worth more than putting it into a depreciating car. But that's your choice, if you're good with it...you're good with it.

You jealous?

he he. Called cash flow preservation. no big.

-T

20K as a cap cost red. on a lease? Please lay out for me why that was a good idea! I just dont see it.

Yes, but that money sitting collecting interest, even if you just put it aside, is worth more than putting it into a depreciating car. But that's your choice, if you're good with it...you're good with it.

Yes it was a factor. Instead I upped my 401K Contribution, so It balances out somewhat, plus that gets matching funds. Addditionally a Roth IRA, which is Tax Free on the earnings, is now getting contributions as well. Could I have put the 20k into that? Sure, but then I wouldn't be able to contribute the 401K or Roth while I made my $600 car payment (or at least a lot less into them.) So, yeah I decided to have fun and try to make up the retirement saving later. I'm 35, so it's not that bad, he he. By the end of the 3 year lease I will have socked away that 20 Large and then some, plus I'll get the matching funds from the 401. Not bad, although I do recognize that I'll be missing out on compounding interest from the 20G's. The matching of the 401 covers it.

Now, can we get back on topic? :)

-Todd A.

I used to be a BBB investigator covering the auto industry, although this was '93-'96. In any event, my understanding of auto Lemon Laws, at least generally, is there has to be a pattern of dealer not fixing issue. In other words, if you take car in multiple times to no avail within a certain time-period you have a case. I could be wrong, but don't believe a delay in part arrival, provided dealer is acting in good faith, qualifies as a legitimate complaint under any state Lemon Laws. If dealer is dragging its feet, complain verbally and writing to the owner, if BMW is dragging its feet, complain as high up as possible verbally and in writing.

[quote=ToddAnisman;9580028]My cars been in the shop for 3 weeks for the HPFP issue. Took Budman1 8 weeks to get his, several other posters here have been waiting over a month etc...

Here's my thoughts:

I could initiate lemon proceedings and use that as an anvil with BMW to negotiate a new lease on a new 335i (One that has Oil cooler and re-designed HPFP).

It's not so much that I'd like to walk away from the car or brand, kinda the contrary. But maybe even an M3 or 535i???

Hmm the possibility is intriguing.

What do you guys think? Is that crazy? I'm already stuck waiting ffor a FP for most likely another 5 weeks. I know that getting a new 335 will take 12-14 weeks, but I have another vehicle so I could get by....

I could get nav maybe..he he

Let me know our thoughts. Incluiding you Beer Goggles. I know I got chippy with ya, but I'd like to hear your take. :)

-Todd A.[/quot

Your post reveals fascination with acquiring a different car rather than frustration with the one you have. The car needs to be in the shop 4 times for the same problem with total tile being 30 days or more. It must be a safety issue. Your fuel pump WILL arrive. At the most, BMW should put you into another car until yours is available.

Yes it was a factor. Instead I upped my 401K Contribution, so It balances out somewhat, plus that gets matching funds. Addditionally a Roth IRA, which is Tax Free on the earnings, is now getting contributions as well. Could I have put the 20k into that? Sure, but then I wouldn't be able to contribute the 401K or Roth while I made my $600 car payment (or at least a lot less into them.) So, yeah I decided to have fun and try to make up the retirement saving later. I'm 35, so it's not that bad, he he. By the end of the 3 year lease I will have socked away that 20 Large and then some, plus I'll get the matching funds from the 401. Not bad, although I do recognize that I'll be missing out on compounding interest from the 20G's. The matching of the 401 covers it.

Now, can we get back on topic? :)

-Todd A.

I like this topic too, but if you put half as much in the bank and used that 20K to pay the lease, it would still be collecting interest. If I had 20K to put down, I would have bought the car, since you'd never be upside down. SO I understand it made you feel like you freed up some cash, but you also put out a large sum, and instead of that 20K collecting interest, or invested, you are now trying to build that back up.

But like I said, if you have it worked out its all good. If 20K wasn't your total savings then it really doesn't matter. :alright

CA Lemon law states if your car is in for service more then 30 days it can be lemoned. You will pay between 1 and 3 thousand for an attorney plus you pay for the mileage used at a factor of 120000. If you used your car for 4000 miles, that would be 3.345%, 3.345% of 45000 is $1505. So by the end of everything you would be out between 2500 and 4500 dollars. On the other hand, you could keep driving your BMW loaner (which you could switch up for something better off the used lot if you ask nice) and have BMW pay your loan payments for the entire time your car is in the shop.

CA Lemon law states if your car is in for service more then 30 days it can be lemoned. You will pay between 1 and 3 thousand for an attorney plus you pay for the mileage used at a factor of 120000. If you used your car for 4000 miles, that would be 3.345%, 3.345% of 45000 is $1505. So by the end of everything you would be out between 2500 and 4500 dollars. On the other hand, you could keep driving your BMW loaner (which you could switch up for something better off the used lot if you ask nice) and have BMW pay your loan payments for the entire time your car is in the shop.

Yes, that's my understanding...

I think I may come at this from the angle of trying to get BMW to put the Oil Cooler in the car. I'll forgive the lease payments, only about $450 for 8 weeks.

Does anyone know if the Oil Cooler can be installed on a car without it? i.e. a 9/06 Build 335i?

That would be interesting... It would also assuage my concerns over th re-sale.

Hmmm.

-Todd A.

Yes, that's my understanding...

I think I may come at this from the angle of trying to get BMW to put the Oil Cooler in the car. I'll forgive the lease payments, only about $450 for 8 weeks.

Does anyone know if the Oil Cooler can be installed on a car without it? i.e. a 9/06 Build 335i?

That would be interesting... It would also assuage my concerns over th re-sale.

Hmmm.

-Todd A.
right now if I were you I would talk to your SA, tell him that you are irratated about the wait and you want the oil cooler installed. If he does not wish to do that remind him A lemon 335 would be worth @ 30k, as in cali it would be a salvage car. Be nice, be calm and I am sure he will take care of you. if not, take it to Valencia BMW and get Mark Santos.

I took my 525 in for service and talked to the service guy about the fp on the 335. He told me if my car was in there for more then a few days he would do anything in his power to make me happy. There will be a recall on this as SOON as BMW stocks up on fuel pumps, right now they are just doing it case by case. The problem is the company that makes them has to fill existing orders PLUS build thousands of replacement pumps.

right now if I were you I would talk to your SA, tell him that you are irratated about the wait and you want the oil cooler installed. If he does not wish to do that remind him A lemon 335 would be worth @ 30k, as in cali it would be a salvage car. Be nice, be calm and I am sure he will take care of you. if not, take it to Valencia BMW and get Mark Santos.

I took my 525 in for service and talked to the service guy about the fp on the 335. He told me if my car was in there for more then a few days he would do anything in his power to make me happy. There will be a recall on this as SOON as BMW stocks up on fuel pumps, right now they are just doing it case by case. The problem is the company that makes them has to fill existing orders PLUS build thousands of replacement pumps.

Good Advice, Thanks.

Does anyone know the dollar value of the oil Cooler?

CA lemon law is a beautiful thing. Just to give you guys an idea of how it worked for me, I had a Lexus IS250 6MT which was making a rattling noise in the tranny. They tried to fix it 3 times, even replacing the tranny once to no avail. I got tired of having my car in the shop (45+ days) so I called up HQ and told them I wanted to lemon law the car.

I didn't have to get a lawyer and they also clock your mileage on the car for when you first reported the problem. I first complained about the problem when my car had 3k miles on it. When I got my check, they included everything I paid, including TTL and interest on the car loan. The only thing I didn't get re-imbursed was for the clear bra and permaplate. So I lost about $1000 there...however, remember how they only charged me for 3k miles? By the time I turned it in, I had 25k miles on the car.

$1000 bucks to drive a Lexus and put 25k miles on it? What a steal. Worked out perfectly because they picked up the car right before I deployed to the Middle East. Now, I'm going to use that money to buy a Military priced 335i for under $40k! Life is good...

CA lemon law is a beautiful thing. Just to give you guys an idea of how it worked for me, I had a Lexus IS250 6MT which was making a rattling noise in the tranny. They tried to fix it 3 times, even replacing the tranny once to no avail. I got tired of having my car in the shop (45+ days) so I called up HQ and told them I wanted to lemon law the car.

I didn't have to get a lawyer and they also clock your mileage on the car for when you first reported the problem. I first complained about the problem when my car had 3k miles on it. When I got my check, they included everything I paid, including TTL and interest on the car loan. The only thing I didn't get re-imbursed was for the clear bra and permaplate. So I lost about $1000 there...however, remember how they only charged me for 3k miles? By the time I turned it in, I had 25k miles on the car.

$1000 bucks to drive a Lexus and put 25k miles on it? What a steal. Worked out perfectly because they picked up the car right before I deployed to the Middle East. Now, I'm going to use that money to buy a Military priced 335i for under $40k! Life is good...

Sounds like a very good deal. Come back safe :) and tell us all about the 335.