The last thread was closed due to profanity, I apoligize for that.
Well here it goes again

I was gona post this last week but my buddy had the video and finally gave it to me tonite.
Ok so We all meet up at the local meet with a bunch of friends and hangout and have a good time. I know that I have beaten a stock sti from a roll prety good before and I know that evos are faster and eaiser to get power out of, so I decide to ask this guy if he wanted to run. He has a evo9 his mods are turboback and boost controller spikin at 21.5 then drops cuz he dosent have a tune. my mods are in my sig.

So we go to a local long street, no cars in sight. I tell him drop down to 1st. He should have all the advantage in the world in 1st being awd and I have heard that there is little if any turbo lag when you do a 1st gear roll in an evo (I could be wrong). So anyway we both line up and I do the 3 honks.

I loose traction half way in 1st and spin slightly in 2nd then grip. (I have horible tires)



It seems like we both get a clean start besids my slight spinning. but I imedeatly jump out a good 1/4 car and it seems like he isnt to fast of a shifter as you can see in the video he keeps going in and out of boost durring shifts. its like hes ceaching up then loosing ground and so on.

We shut down almost at the end of 4th.
by then I was about 1/2 car ahead. I was realy surprised, even with a bad driver he should have beat me.
Im sure if it was a more experenced driver he would have spanked me.

Oh well count another one for the Mcoupe:alright

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47...0509072223.flv (http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/numero1lakerfan/?action=view&current=0509072223.flv)

P.S. my best mod to date is knowing how to drive:devillook

Cam car is my buddies 95m3 with turner chip, exhaust, intake...

nice run man!!!! Have you ever dyno'd your car with those mods?

nice run man!!!! Have you ever dyno'd your car with those mods?
thanks!

Nope no dyno yet. After I do the headers and pulleys then Im gona hit the dyno.
my goal is 240 whp on a mustang dyno.

what meet is that? Is it near northridge area???

what meet is that? Is it near northridge area???
No its near irvine area right off the 5.
if your in the northridge area then its kinda far.

great kill :D

Nice Bobby! Sorry I couldn't make it, but in a few weeks we will be out there (M5 & Supra)

Nice bobby. Whos evo was that?

P.S. my best mod to date is knowing how to drive:devillook

Cam car is my buddies 95m3 with turner chip, exhaust, intake...

Whats the best way to drive when racing, is it something that can be described or explained over the net or doe sit have to be shown. Im talking knowing exactly when to shift (redline, after redline?), and the best way to take off, any advice would be great.

Whats the best way to drive when racing, is it something that can be described or explained over the net or doe sit have to be shown. Im talking knowing exactly when to shift (redline, after redline?), and the best way to take off, any advice would be great.

Driving is 1/2 inspiration, 1/2 perspiration.

-Charles

good kill :)

best way is not to make any mistakes and youll have the advantage

different cars need to be driven different e.g. turbos need to be kept on boost and shifted before redline, awd cars should be launched hard, rwd soft until you get traction and fwd should be sold

Nice bobby. Whos evo was that?
dude you have been non existant recently! you gota come down sometime.

Nice Bobby! Sorry I couldn't make it, but in a few weeks we will be out there (M5 & Supra)
OOooOOoooo I love supras.
Cant wait.
hey leo I hears about that wholesale deal thing you got goin on. I guess ill talk to you more about that when I see ya.

Its funny the cam car didnt do to bad either.:)

Nice run, that is just how it is with these turbo's until they spool up - watch this for kickers!

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/supra/17/d810f7b3-9c90-4776-8b37-98a500fae565.htm

My favorite:)

OOooOOoooo I love supras.
Cant wait.
hey leo I hears about that wholesale deal thing you got goin on. I guess ill talk to you more about that when I see ya.

I'm working on it :)

cool vid

Hey m coup I think ive seen your car before on the 5 south.

dude you have been non existant recently! you gota come down sometime.


Hahahha I know. I just got my car back. Ill head down next week, just give me a call.

Its funny the cam car didnt do to bad either.:)


I had a 200lb passenger doing the filming on my phone. Taking out the spare tire made the difference between losing by 1/2 a car to my friend and beating him by 1/2 a car.

I had a 200lb passenger doing the filming on my phone. Taking out the spare tire made the difference between losing by 1/2 a car to my friend and beating him by 1/2 a car.

40lbs or so usually doesn't make that much of a difference.

Nice kill! I guess he didn't brake-boost before he went for it?

Reason being is from a 5mph roll, the stock Evos and STi's are DOGS. We're talking 1.5 seconds SLOWER than an AWD launch from a dig to 60mph. Now THAT'S turbo lag!

Nice kill! I guess he didn't brake-boost before he went for it?

Reason being is from a 5mph roll, the stock Evos and STi's are DOGS. We're talking 1.5 seconds SLOWER than an AWD launch from a dig to 60mph. Now THAT'S turbo lag!
it wasnt 5 mph roll. more like 15/

Hey m coup I think ive seen your car before on the 5 south.
probably was me. im always on the 5 goin back and fourth

40lbs or so usually doesn't make that much of a difference.
it does in his case, trust me, ive seen it first hand

it does in his case, trust me, ive seen it first hand

Did the launch characteristic change? Usually "Rewards weight" of 50lbs makes a difference over an entire lap or race around a road circuit.

Isn't 100lbs about a car length = 1/10th of a second? So if I went from a full tank at 19gal. to 2gals (about 100lbs) I pick up 2 CLs?

Did the launch characteristic change? Usually "Rewards weight" of 50lbs makes a difference over an entire lap or race around a road circuit.

Isn't 100lbs about a car length = 1/10th of a second? So if I went from a full tank at 19gal. to 2gals (about 100lbs) I pick up 2 CLs?
I know it dosent sound rite but its what happened.
I have heard that 100lbs equals about 9 or 10whp. so in his case thats a good 4whp.

Nice runs. I'm still scratching my head though why anybody would buy a $30k Evo, install a TBE and MBC, and NOT get a damn tune! A tuned IX on 100% stock hardware picks up 15whp-20whp. Add the TBE and an MBC and the car's close to 300whp when tuned. With those mods and without a tune the ECU just doesn't know WTF is going on. I'd be surprised if he picked up much power at all.

Nice run, that is just how it is with these turbo's until they spool up - watch this for kickers!

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/supra/17/d810f7b3-9c90-4776-8b37-98a500fae565.htm

My favorite:)

That video never gets old. I wonder if the Supra owner has ever seen it and divulged his car's numbers to the interweb. That looks like 800whp+ to me. That's one death I'd love to been a part of.

Nice runs. I'm still scratching my head though why anybody would buy a $30k Evo, install a TBE and MBC, and NOT get a damn tune! A tuned IX on 100% stock hardware picks up 15whp-20whp. Add the TBE and an MBC and the car's close to 300whp when tuned. With those mods and without a tune the ECU just doesn't know WTF is going on. I'd be surprised if he picked up much power at all.



That video never gets old. I wonder if the Supra owner has ever seen it and divulged his car's numbers to the interweb. That looks like 800whp+ to me. That's one death I'd love to been a part of.
tune or not he should have beaten me. If i was driving his car and he was driving mine I wouda beat him by atleast 3 cars.

Nice run, that is just how it is with these turbo's until they spool up - watch this for kickers!

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/supra/17/d810f7b3-9c90-4776-8b37-98a500fae565.htm

My favorite:)


WOWOWOW! neckbreakerrrrr

Nice runs. I'm still scratching my head though why anybody would buy a $30k Evo, install a TBE and MBC, and NOT get a damn tune! A tuned IX on 100% stock hardware picks up 15whp-20whp. Add the TBE and an MBC and the car's close to 300whp when tuned. With those mods and without a tune the ECU just doesn't know WTF is going on. I'd be surprised if he picked up much power at all

I agree but with a tune a IX should get about 330-350 awhp. Mine has 354 with tbe, mbc, licp, AMS fmic, intake and AMS tune on 93 oct.

What does a stock IX put down on the AMS dyno?

Awesome run man! that guy must of felt like crap..but then yet you cant mess with the Ultimate Driving Machine!right?I remember a few weeks ago I was on a red light next to an EVO and yeah as soon as it went green I took off..then his turbo kicked it and passed me..taking the fact that I have a 93 325IS..i know if I had a turbo in there I would of killed him..i just know it!

Sounds about right. Once you take out the launch it's pretty much a battle of trap speeds, and a stockish Evo isn't exactly going to set the road on fire in that respect. I owned a mildly modded one from a roll at only 12 psi once... I thought he was going to kill me but I pulled away pretty steadily.

Sounds about right. Once you take out the launch it's pretty much a battle of trap speeds, and a stockish Evo isn't exactly going to set the road on fire in that respect. I owned a mildly modded one from a roll at only 12 psi once... I thought he was going to kill me but I pulled away pretty steadily.In the USDM they trap somewhere between 103mph and 106mph depending on the year. That's not bad at all. Not sure how an 18psi GT28 does for power, but I'd be surprised if it put down any more than 265whp. In a 3,000lb S13 that's right about stock Evo power in terms of power-to-weight ratio. Maybe you raced the same guy bobby did? :alright

Every pound makes a difference in any kind of racing. Although if you're starting at 4200lbs (ie Charger SRT8) 40lbs will have less of an impact than in a 3100lb car. Just as a factor of percentage of weight removed.

In the USDM they trap somewhere between 103mph and 106mph depending on the year. That's not bad at all. Not sure how an 18psi GT28 does for power, but I'd be surprised if it put down any more than 265whp. In a 3,000lb S13 that's right about stock Evo power in terms of power-to-weight ratio. Maybe you raced the same guy bobby did? :alright

I doubt they will do 106mph stock... really doubt that.


Not sure where you're pulling those numbers out of... but my car makes 300 rwhp 290 rwtq(over 280rwhp for about 3k RPM) and weighs 2500 lbs with a full tank of gas. Even a convertible S13 weighed about 2800-2900 lbs stock. My car at 12 psi probably makes about 250-260 rwhp with a more peaky powerband.

Stock STis are faster than Evos, especially older 8's and 9's, and I pulled one pretty hard when I had a 220 lb friend in my car.

Don't get my wrong, my Nissan isn't that fast, but an anywhere near stock Evo isn't much faster than a modded S52 M Coupe from a roll, that's for sure. Was just using my car as a measuring stick.

Yeah my curb weight numbers were way off. I didn't know the 240SX was only a 2500lb car. Dayum. One of my buddy's just bought a SR20DET for his 240SX. He's extremely modest though. I had no idea of the car's potential. My bad. I knew they were extremely tossable cars but I didn't know they were featherweights.

Anyways the '03 and '04 Evo VIII was usually good for a 100mph-103mph trap.The '05 VIII is good for about 102mph-105mph traps and now the Evo IX seems to be at about 104mph-106mph, although I've seen some stock timeslips as high as 108mph but those are rare.

Stock STis are faster than Evos.
not true

What does a stock IX put down on the AMS dyno?

they have a typical dynojet IIRC, so i'd guess 250-260whp for IX's in general.

Every pound makes a difference in any kind of racing. Although if you're starting at 4200lbs (ie Charger SRT8) 40lbs will have less of an impact than in a 3100lb car. Just as a factor of percentage of weight removed.

That's true. But what you described was a CL, correct? If the variables were the same (exact shift points, same amount of gas in the tank), I'd be willing to guess you wouldn't see that much difference with 40lbs.

100lbs, yes. But we can debate all day unless either one of us comes up with more empirical data.

Stock STis are faster than Evos, especially older 8's and 9's,

No they aren't. I own both and I've seen first hand what a stock 9 will do to an STi. There is no comparison.

When my 9 was stock it was very soft over 100. Now that it has been mod'd and has a boost controller that problem is gone too.

Stock 9's will do 240-260 on the AMS dyno. According to AMS my IX was the strongest stock turbo IX they had tested/tuned.

Stock EVOs are not that fast, stock STIs even slower.
Parts without tune will hurt both cars, the ECU willl freak out and go to safe (slower) map. Also as simple as rolling start may sound, shifting points and WOT shifting can make the difference between winning and losing a race.

To the right, my IX 100% Bone Stock and full weight (3,440 w/driver).
To the left, same car with ECU flash, nothing else was touched.
7mph gain.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/18bora/bforeafter.jpg?t=1178484911

18bora...excellent info! It's absolutely true too. A few months back I was at Speed Element when a guy brought his car in for tune. He had all sorts of modifications to the exhaust, heads, boost, etc. He baselined less than the same car with a simple cat-back and a tune. Nowadays with Jester Tuning and other vendors emailing maps to people for about $100, I don't know why anybody would spend money on all that hardware and NOT immediately flash the ECU afterwards. You can take the rice away from the ricer but apparently it's a tough habit to break regardless of the vehicle.