This is for any of you who don't really want to read through a long thread on my fantastic kill tonight.

S2000 = no torque / soulless :)

I was driving back from playing some golf tonight and this kid in an s2000 was sitting at a traffic light behind a C6 corvette. i noticed he has tein and intrax decals on his back window (he had a hardtop convert.). I had my golf clubs and door panels in the back seat.. I took 1st gear to about 4k just so he could hear the engine rev up a little. I see him take off around traffic in the bicycle lane!! to get in front of a toyota camry. We then ended up at the next red light. he revs his engine before the other light turns green both lay down about half our tire's tread onto the asphalt and redline first, second,... i had him up to 60 and his little car picked up a lot of speed then and just tailgated me to 115.. So, basically I got him off the line and he caught up. My 95 M3 is stock (paper filter airbox lol).

that's my story, sorry if it could not be more interesting. I love my M3!!:buttrock OH, and STREET RACING IS DANGEROUS Y'ALL!! peace..

The s2k is a blast to drive if you romp on the pedal long enough.

Sure it could use more power, buts its a honda, what do you expect?

Soulless? Have you driven one?

yes there SLOW until like 7k rpm + i agree there ok but when i had my z32 twin turbo they couldnt stand a chance

Soulless? Have you driven one?

seriously, they are a ton of fun... I just wish I fit in it:(

Now G35's are soulless.

s2000 has alot more "soul" then 95% of the cars out there.

in fact many people believe german cars as a whole are "soulless" compared to say italian or british cars.

Now Lexus are soulless.

fixed

yes there SLOW until like 7k rpm + i agree there ok but when i had my z32 twin turbo they couldnt stand a chance

That doesnt have anything to do with how the car drives. I would take a sk2 over a ttz32 any day of the week.

That doesnt have anything to do with how the car drives. I would take a sk2 over a ttz32 any day of the week.

You forgot to mention the fact that "7k rpm +" is wrong too.

7,000, seriously, what are you even thinking?

seriously, they are a ton of fun... I just wish I fit in it:(

Now G35's are soulless.

I'd say it's the other way around.

The honda feels like a precision tool. accurate and perfect.

I love the feel of a g more. the engine is more -there-

the suspension, brakes, steering feel, all make you think that you're part of the process of making the car go fast.

S2000 feels like you're just pushing buttons and moving the big circle and everything happens on it's own.

straight line performance has nothing to do with soul.
you're basically implying that a civic hatchback with a large turbo putting down 800 whp has soul, just because it's fast.

Front engine, RWD, 50/50, LSD, >3000lbs...com'on cut the rice some soy sauce.

Front engine, RWD, 50/50, LSD, >3000lbs...com'on cut the rice some soy sauce.

So was a 240sx.

The car dosen't have much soul.

the silvia does. hardcore. But not the 240.

but in a sense, you can give almost any car soul. Just gotta make it feel fun to drive/make you want to drive it.

a chevelle has soul just because of it's straightline speed.

I'd say it's the other way around.

The honda feels like a precision tool. accurate and perfect.

I love the feel of a g more. the engine is more -there-

the suspension, brakes, steering feel, all make you think that you're part of the process of making the car go fast.

S2000 feels like you're just pushing buttons and moving the big circle and everything happens on it's own.
tru in a way but a g35 is basically a even heavier 350z lol

really drive a s2000 and I really doubt you say it sucks. Cuts corners like a fine blade...

please....the s2k is one of the most soulful and fun cars to drive....PERIOD. the s2k is also a lot less predictable than an M....so there goes the precison perfect idea.

Drive one before judging please.

S2000s are one of the most fun cars to drive around. They have much more soul than a E36 M3, that is for sure. The chassis is designed around the Honda racing design; the thing is on rails, to say the least. I am not saying that it is faster than an E36 M, because it isn't, but it is just as good if not better in the twisties. That car has soul. But only if you have the soul to drive it to its potential.

Trust me, I know...

Driven the E36 M3, bought the S2000.

They also have one of the coolest gauge clusters evar too!!! Seriously though, I test drove one and it was up there fun wise with a modded mini cooper. Whereas I would drive my buddy's G35 and it felt like I was just driving a car. To each their own I suppose.

they are on par with coopers in terms of fun :D:D:D:D

Coming from an S2000, I can most assuredly say the OP is without a clue.

The S2000 doesn't suck. The S2000 is just as fast as a 1995 E36 M3. The S2000 has about 998407 x more soul than an E36 M3.

If you feel that you have to hate... hate on the driver for driving like a retard in a bike lane.

S2000's are a blast. I'd for sure take one over a Z3M (none S54). The 9000rpm red line on the early models is so much fun.

the S2000 is a great car and lots of fun to drive. Now I have never lost to one in a straight line, but I would be interested to take one in the twisties. My guess is that I would lose against a competent driver.

They are an outstanding car, but to say they have waaaaay more soul then an E36 M3 is stretching it I think although I can't really speak from experience with the S2000 because I have never driven one.

Either way it is a sharp car and I wouldn't mind having one as a daily driver, but I will stick with my M Coupe thank you very much.

the S2k is a blast to drive

and you're lucky that C6 did not wanna play cause he would have showed you both what tq is all about ;)

good kill i guess

s2k is a very fun car to drive...souless? people dunno wat they r talking about

s2000 has alot more "soul" then 95% of the cars out there.

in fact many people believe german cars as a whole are "soulless" compared to say italian or british cars.


+1.
I'm driving 04 SC S2000 over 3 years and It has much more soul than my 07 335 coupe.Infact,It has more soul then most BMW cars;However,STOCK S2000 is not a Drag racing car(0-60 or 1/4 miles car).Due to IT is only has 4 banngers,BUT IT'LL WILL SMOKE ALL BMW 1.9 LITER ,2.5 INLINE 6 (DAMN IT ABLE TO SMOKE BMW 6 BANGERS).
ON THE TWISTIE.S2000 WILL SMOKE MOST STOCK BMW CARS.THAT'S INCLUDE YOUR 12 YEARS OLDS E36 M3.

+1.
I'm driving 04 SC S2000 over 3 years and It has much more soul than my 07 335 coupe.Infact,It has more soul then most BMW cars;However,STOCK S2000 is not a Drag racing car(0-60 or 1/4 miles car).Due to IT is only has 4 banngers,BUT IT'LL WILL SMOKE ALL BMW 1.9 LITER ,2.5 INLINE 6 (DAMN IT ABLE TO SMOKE BMW 6 BANGERS).
ON THE TWISTIE.S2000 WILL SMOKE MOST STOCK BMW CARS.THAT'S INCLUDE YOUR 12 YEARS OLDS E36 M3.


yes they are fast in the twisties and a blast to drive

but yep seen them at the dragstrip and Stock, dam they are slow.

ok, we get your point dans2k :stickoutt

+1.
I'm driving 04 SC S2000 over 3 years and It has much more soul than my 07 335 coupe.Infact,It has more soul then most BMW cars;However,STOCK S2000 is not a Drag racing car(0-60 or 1/4 miles car).Due to IT is only has 4 banngers,BUT IT'LL WILL SMOKE ALL BMW 1.9 LITER ,2.5 INLINE 6 (DAMN IT ABLE TO SMOKE BMW 6 BANGERS).
ON THE TWISTIE.S2000 WILL SMOKE MOST STOCK BMW CARS.THAT'S INCLUDE YOUR 12 YEARS OLDS E36 M3.

Why are you yelling

Why are you yelling

prolly b/c he drives a screaming s2k that redlines at 9k ;)

people dunno wat they r talking about

That is very true. The S2000 is a wonderful car. It would be perfect with a more torquey engine, like the M Roadster.

O MAN!!!! I THINK I'm GOING DEAFFFF

anyways. seriously s2k is one of my favorite japanese car..

Why are you yelling

I'm not yelling.I'm just emphasize my point,because A cocky BMW owner driving 12 year oids M3 does not know what's he's posting.

than my 07 335 coupe..

A cocky BMW owner



hmmmm...

prolly b/c he drives a screaming s2k that redlines at 9k ;)

hahahahahah

S2000's are ok

That is very true. The S2000 is a wonderful car. It would be perfect with a more torquey engine, like the M Roadster.
You're comparing a high performance 3.2L 6 cylinders engine in the M territory with a 2.0-2.2 Honda engines. I don't get it.

What's happening to BMW helpless 1.9L,2.5L,2.8L.

It looks like a pretty even race to me.

2000 Honda S2000 5.5 14.2

2003 Honda S2000 6.3 14.9 (Manual)

2004 Honda S2000 5.8 14.2 (MT Mar '04)

2006 Honda S2000 5.5 14.0 (C&D May '06)


1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6

1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9

1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3

1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9

1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

Have a 2001 S2000 and an 06 M Coupe.

S2000, plenty of soul, that's why I've held on to it.

You're comparing a high performance 3.2L 6 cylinders engine in the M territory with a 2.0-2.2 Honda engines. I don't get it.

What's happening to BMW helpless 1.9L,2.5L,2.8L.

you mean the current crop of 3.0L 255hp, 3.2L 343hp, 5.0L 507hp, 3.0L TT 300HP???

Or the fact that honda was squeezing out 292hp out of their 3.2L v6 in the NSX (tried to find nsx-r hp figure which appear to be consistent with normal nsx's) while the s54 was making 355hp in csl trim?

dont get me wrong honda has a great lineup of small displacement engines.

But building a 240hp 2.2L with a 8.5k rpm 4 banger is not on par with the 507hp 5.0L 8.2rpm v8.

If you have not driven an S2000 then don't comment on it. If you drove an S2000 down the street and back then drive it again.

The S2000 can use a little more power. But it is plenty fast already.

I see many people commenting on "more torque". Sure right off the line, it can be a little sluggish from 1-3k rpm, but after that it has no problem picking up speed.

Just looking at the numbers, does not seem like much. But the S2000 has some pretty aggressive gearing, so that somewhat makes up for the fact the engine itself lacks some torque.

noob alert

S2K's have soul because it compromises a lot of lux features for performance. Plus the shifter on that thing is sweeet.

I never thought of the s2k as a lux car :dunno

S2000 is a blasty blast... you don't need much torque at 9,000 rpm

you mean the current crop of 3.0L 255hp, 3.2L 343hp, 5.0L 507hp, 3.0L TT 300HP???

Or the fact that honda was squeezing out 292hp out of their 3.2L v6 in the NSX (tried to find nsx-r hp figure which appear to be consistent with normal nsx's) while the s54 was making 355hp in csl trim?

dont get me wrong honda has a great lineup of small displacement engines.

But building a 240hp 2.2L with a 8.5k rpm 4 banger is not on par with the 507hp 5.0L 8.2rpm v8.

I believe that you're trying to misleading the topic.I was never mentioned any of your info.

I never thought of the s2k as a lux car :dunno
I agreed;However,It is a pure sport car and reliable.

A sport car without precision and reliable then It's means nothing.

I never thought of the s2k as a lux car :dunno

Sorry I meant lux features like a smooth ride, good sound system etc. No it's almost purely for driving curvy fast.

You forgot to mention the fact that "7k rpm +" is wrong too.

7,000, seriously, what are you even thinking?


i was meaning all the power in the car is only in 7k-9k rpm assman (not that it redlines at 7k)

That doesnt have anything to do with how the car drives. I would take a sk2 over a ttz32 any day of the week.


lol thats because u drive a crap dsm OR srt4 ? lol

idk or care but i was stating a fact not looking for your opinion

They have crap for torque 140, so they dont smoke sheet, they are very slow on the track due to the lack of torque ,elevation changes kill them, they are great in autocross, but you have to be a midget to be anything close to comfortable.The cockpit is way to tight,I drove it for about 30 mins and felt like crap afterward from being crammed in it.
I have been on track with many s2000s and from what I have seen ( over 100 track days)they are one of the slower cars on the track.I have never had one come close to pass me ,even when my e36 m3 was bone stock. Torque is what pulls you up the hills and out of the corners at high speeds they have a problem. cute little cars though.

lol thats because u drive a crap dsm OR srt4 ? lol

idk or care but i was stating a fact not looking for your opinion

What does what I drive have to do with the fact that a s2000 is an overall better car than a z32?:confused

They have crap for torque 140, so they dont smoke sheet, they are very slow on the track due to the lack of torque ,elevation changes kill them, they are great in autocross, but you have to be a midget to be anything close to comfortable.I have been on track with many s2000s and from what I have seen ( over 100 track days)thet all are one of the slower cars.I have never had one come close to pass me ,even when my e36 m3 was bone stock.


PLEASE.....PLEASE take English 101 again. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The s2k has no torque but its meant to be a high revving race car. My E46 M3 has no torque, but its high revving engine makes up for it!

just the same, you puttin down my old car so i puttin down urs,

and btw have you ever driven a z32 twin turbo? Yes its a sports car from last decade, but considering it was made 10 years before the first s2k hit production, its still a blast to drive. (and wut i was trying to state is, when flooring a s2k from a stop it feels like it has MAD lag and doesnt get going until around 7k rpm, while my Z twinturbo had almost no lag at all)

- so saying that the s2k is a overall superior car to the Z i would say is infact incorrect.


- but dont get me wrong, im sure the s2k handles better than the z

is it just me or does this whole argument sound like a couple 5 year olds??:confused

is it just me or does this whole argument sound like a couple 5 year olds??:confused

Unfortunately, that's about the average age of some of our more vocal anti-non-BMWs. :help

lol it does haha i just hate it when ppl put down a car they prolly dont know anything about

its a honda...but im pretty sure its a blast to drive.

They have crap for torque 140, so they dont smoke sheet, they are very slow on the track due to the lack of torque ,elevation changes kill them, they are great in autocross, but you have to be a midget to be anything close to comfortable.The cockpit is way to tight,I drove it for about 30 mins and felt like crap afterward from being crammed in it.
I have been on track with many s2000s and from what I have seen ( over 100 track days)they are one of the slower cars on the track.I have never had one come close to pass me ,even when my e36 m3 was bone stock. Torque is what pulls you up the hills and out of the corners at high speeds they have a problem. cute little cars though.

Torque is the only thing gets a car through a road course...? Well shit I guess Lotus is just pissin' in the wind with their Elise huh?

Facts:

1. The S2000 is lighter than your bone stock M3
2. The S2000 is more aggressively geared than your bone stock M3
3. The S2000 enters into corners faster than your bone stock M3
4. The S2000 exits corners faster than your bone stock M3
5. The S2000 handles better than your bone stock M3
6. You felt cramped in the S2000 (if you aren't lying about driving it) because you are either over 6'0" or weigh more than a rhino.

I feel sorry for you that you haven't had the chance to see what an S2000 can do on the track. It truely is amazing.

Unfortunately, that's about the average age of some of our more vocal anti-non-BMWs. :help

I agreed, most of them driving E36 M3 wich is that's all they can effort.

Anti-non-BMW is close minded and immature.
I've seen many BWM owners having 2 or 3 japanese cars for D.D and Beater.

i dont understand....if u like the s2000 so much more than your BMWs....than why didn't you save up and go get one? they look like nice cars (ive never driven in one, but since im 6'4" i guess thats a good thing), but if you dont like your BMW than sell it and get the Honda. im sure itll be alot more problem free than the bimmer ;)

lol thats because u drive a crap dsm OR srt4 ? lol

idk or care but i was stating a fact not looking for your opinion

i wouldn't put down an srt-4 those four bangers are pretty tough, and put down ALOT of torque. not to mention they could give alot of BMWs a run for thier money with only a couple mods (straight line)
cant say i like the new srt-4 tho :nono

I agreed, most of them driving E36 M3 wich is that's all they can effort.

Anti-non-BMW is close minded and immature.
I've seen many BWM owners having 2 or 3 japanese cars for D.D and Beater.

used s2ks are cheap too tho..

as im reading your story eating my breakfast....i jus bit my tongue like i've never bitten it before...i pierced it all the way through....it hurts so bad

I had a 2001 S2000 for three years, and it was purely the most fun car I've ever had. The only reason I got rid of it was it was a daily driver for me and my wife hated it, too small and too bumpy. I get a kick out of people who rag on the car but they have never driven it. I now have a 325ci convertible, and it is a great car, just not as much fun. At this point in time it is not my daily driver and I long for a two-seater roaster again.

i dont understand....if u like the s2000 so much more than your BMWs....than why didn't you save up and go get one? they look like nice cars (ive never driven in one, but since im 6'4" i guess thats a good thing), but if you dont like your BMW than sell it and get the Honda. im sure itll be alot more problem free than the bimmer ;)

I guess,you're having problem of readings,
I never said I like my 04 SC S2000 more than my 07 335 coupe.The only thing I mentioned that the Honda S2000 has more soul than my 07 335 coupe.
Each of my cars serving for a different purpose.:stickoutt

used s2ks are cheap too tho..

Either new or used S2ks they are still cheap comparing with the BMW or German made cars because S2ks are made by honda;However,It's not about the type of cars that we're driving,It's the maturity of the owners.

lol ive beet s2000's in my 325 they suck.

The chassis is designed around the Honda racing design

What "Honda racing design"? What does that even mean?

My problem with the S2000 is the same as with any high-revving car that has poor low end torque - you have the flog the sh*t out of it to get it to do anything. Who wants to do that with a daily driver? All that buzziness is annoying.

I'd take the low end torque of an E36 M3 any day for everyday use.

Just to show I'm not totally BMW-tainted - I have the same problem with the E30 M3 - which I raced for years.

lol ive beet s2000's in my 325 they suck.

I'm sure you have, I just wonder if the s2000 even knew he was racing?? :rolleyes Pull your heads out of your asses, for the price the s2k is one of the best and most fun cars to drive, they can give e36 M's a good run if properly driven; so I really don't know where some of you are getting your facts from. I guess it's just that BMW elitist bull that the rest of us are labeled with b/c of the idiots such as yourselves that can't respect other worthy cars b/c they are Japanese.

I'm sure you have, I just wonder if the s2000 even knew he was racing?? :rolleyes Pull your heads out of your asses, for the price the s2k is one of the best and most fun cars to drive, they can give e36 M's a good run if properly driven; so I really don't know where some of you are getting your facts from. I guess it's just that BMW elitist bull that the rest of us are labeled with b/c of the idiots such as yourselves that can't respect other worthy cars b/c they are Japanese.

By "properly-driven" I assume you mean rev the crap out of it. That's my only problem with the S2000.

they can give e36 M's a good run if properly driven.

If by properly driven, you mean kick the shit out of, then, yes, you are correct. Stock for stock, especially in the twisties, the S2000 is much quicker.

prolly b/c he drives a screaming s2k that redlines at 9k ;)


'04s do not redline at 9k. These use the revised F22c engine (2.2l as opposed to 2.0l ... hence "2000", as in 2000 cc)


They have more torque and redline at 8k :-)

If by properly driven, you mean kick the shit out of, then, yes, you are correct. Stock for stock, especially in the twisties, the S2000 is much quicker.

Well if your racing I would think that you would rev the crap out of any car :dunno I don't know about you but I take my M3 to redline if i'm trying to get ahead of somebody or sometimes just for sh*ts and giggles. The s2k was meant to be revved hard, I know alot of people dislike it but once you drive it long enough you tend to get used to it and realize that the car almost begs you to be thrashed around and redlined. When I had mine I don't think there was ever a day it didn't see redline :redspot

In the end it's different strokes for different folks and that's fine, but I see no reason to hate on a more then capable car just because it's not the brand you prefer.

The S2000 is a wonderful car, for what it is, but it's also torqueless. So it's a Torqueless Wonder.

Basically it's the car the Miata SHOULD have been.

It's a momentum car on the track, not something where you have to modulate the throttle necessarily to keep from losing traction. Some like that, some don't.

To call an S2000 soulless is an embarrassment to the car community. So what it's not made to be a drag race car, who cares... Buy a camaro or mustang if you want that. S2000 has vtec. :redspot

So in conclusion, S2000 = Soulless = BS.

i was meaning all the power in the car is only in 7k-9k rpm assman (not that it redlines at 7k)

I caught that, that was my point. It's got PLENTY of power from well below 5k, let alone 7k. Add a VTEC controller set to 4k or less, makes for a pretty linear power band.

They have crap for torque 140, so they dont smoke sheet, they are very slow on the track due to the lack of torque ,elevation changes kill them, they are great in autocross, but you have to be a midget to be anything close to comfortable.The cockpit is way to tight,I drove it for about 30 mins and felt like crap afterward from being crammed in it.
I have been on track with many s2000s and from what I have seen ( over 100 track days)they are one of the slower cars on the track.I have never had one come close to pass me ,even when my e36 m3 was bone stock. Torque is what pulls you up the hills and out of the corners at high speeds they have a problem. cute little cars though.

Wrong. I'm 6' 2" and owned an S for four years. Fit perfectly. The car had the best driving setup I've ever experienced. A 6' 9" friend of mine was even able to drive it - not comfortably, but he fit.
I won't comment on your other observations, but the S2000's ergonomics are fantastic. Honda engineers rank with the world's best.
Nice to see most people coming to the car's defense. It's a pure sports car and time will be kind to it. If it had a German badge it would sell for $45 K and people would worship it.

I didn't expect this many replies to my thread.. lol I guess what I should have added was that I am impressed that it was able to gain speed through high rpms.. not so much off the line (lack of balls *cough* torque). Looks like a glorified mazda miata lol

please....the s2k is one of the most soulful and fun cars to drive....PERIOD. the s2k is also a lot less predictable than an M....so there goes the precison perfect idea.

Drive one before judging please.

+1

I have alot of respect for the S2K.

+1

I have alot of respect for the S2K.


I'd still rather own an M roadster.. anyday of the week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTkZ40Ycdzw&mode=related&search=

Nuff Said. If you think that this doesn't have soul, you should go kick your own ass.

Oh and they're light as hell and the engine sits BEHIND the front axles.

So was a 240sx.

The car dosen't have much soul.

the silvia does. hardcore. But not the 240.


What are you talking about? The only difference between a 240SX and a Silvia is the bumper and headlights... :shifty

Unless you think every Silvia came with an SR20DET... I'd take a KA24DE over an SR20DE any day of the week, and most Silvias had that hunk in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTkZ40Ycdzw&mode=related&search=

Nuff Said. If you think that this doesn't have soul, you should go kick your own ass.

Oh and they're light as hell and the engine sits BEHIND the front axles.

That guy can't drive to save his life, and that thing sounds like ASS. I feel like my ear drums are going to explode listening to that 4 banger resonating crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTkZ40Ycdzw&mode=related&search=

Nuff Said. If you think that this doesn't have soul, you should go kick your own ass.

Oh and they're light as hell and the engine sits BEHIND the front axles.

That was terrible.. I can't believe I watched all of it.. I guess I'll have to "go kick my own ass":lol

Are you kidding me? That thing sounds Wicked, I would pay 100 bucks to the owner to let me take that thing through some Seattle Tunnels.

I caught that, that was my point. It's got PLENTY of power from well below 5k, let alone 7k. Add a VTEC controller set to 4k or less, makes for a pretty linear power band.

Man i can't believe this thread is still goin.

And i can't believe AzzMan said to buy a VTEC controller to lower the vtec point. :lol You rarely lower, you'll lose power that way.

yeah that exhaust is nice to hear every now and then.. but everday??
some of u guys lost ur damn minds...

Nuff Said. If you think that this doesn't have soul, you should go kick your own ass.

Oh and they're light as hell and the engine sits BEHIND the front axles.

This is actually fake. The creator posted it over on s2ki and everyone immediately called the guy out on fake sound. He admitted to creating the F1 sound in an audio program or something like that.

Regardless, it has become obvious to me and the last 4 pages of people that BMWg84 knows very little about the S2000, and even cars in general.

S2k rapes. Keep the revs up and see you later homie.

holy crap you guys can argue for a long damn time...For one i think the s2000s are awesome. They look frickin sweet and who doesnt love a high revving engine? Sure it might not have a hell of a lot of low end torque, but if your redline is 9k or even 8k on the newer ones who gives a crap, just rev the sh*t out of it..its fun. I have only driven one before and the rear end was a little squirly. Which is good and bad i guess. Fun as hell, but if you really are taking your driving seriously you better be careful. Anyone who says s2000s are not fun better have an exige S as a daily driver or something.

This is actually fake. The creator posted it over on s2ki and everyone immediately called the guy out on fake sound. He admitted to creating the F1 sound in an audio program or something like that.

Regardless, it has become obvious to me and the last 4 pages of people that BMWg84 knows very little about the S2000, and even cars in general.

0 posts, eh? you must be a s2k forum troll. go back under your bridge.

the point is, that exhaust would drive me insane real or not. the driver in the video drove that thing in a straight line ... you definitely showed me what a s2000 can do!! wowww. then, this guy attempted to do some spins and nearly went over a friggin sidewalk. haha But seriously, are there any better videos you could have posted?

Google S2000 Video, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it's a much better car than the E36. Those K engines take mods very well and can EASILY do 260-280 WHP while NA and completely reliable.

You're not a car enthusiast if you can't have respect for those numbers, given it's displacement. That S2000 was driven by a shitty driver and any competent driver would have passed you up big time judging by how fast he realed you in once driver ability was taken out of the picture (IE his shitty launch).

Google S2000 Video, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it's a much better car than the E36. Those K engines take mods very well and can EASILY do 260-280 WHP while NA and completely reliable.

You're not a car enthusiast if you can't have respect for those numbers, given it's displacement. That S2000 was driven by a shitty driver and any competent driver would have passed you up big time judging by how fast he realed you in once driver ability was taken out of the picture (IE his shitty launch).


+1

You really need to know how to drive these cars to drive them well on the track. I have a coworker with one he lets me drive his stock s2000 around. He told me just keep the revs up around 7000. up shifting requires lots of blipping to maintain a good speed. I have no idea how to take a corner fast and power out when you area already at 8000 rpm in 3rd or something. Really it takes a good intelligent driver to drive these cars well. As you can tell I sucked driving it. It was fun though.

I have driven an ridin in 2 different s2000's ,on track and street.
I very much like the looks of them.
I very much like the high reving engine .
I Very much like what a great autocross car they are,
But.......( here goes vtec lovers):rolleyes
They have very little tq which results in them being a bit slow on track...... With only 140 tq it has a hard time going through the toe of the boot or any elevation changes.They just dont have the power to keep up on a good size road course.
As far as cormfort, they are very uncomfortable( to me), when I drove it, as well as a passenger(my knees where in my chest) I am 6'1 200 lbs.
I am not trying to put the car down, It is faster than my e30 ,it is what it is and it has it's purpose,I am just stating what I have experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTkZ40Ycdzw&mode=related&search=

Nuff Said. If you think that this doesn't have soul, you should go kick your own ass.

Oh and they're light as hell and the engine sits BEHIND the front axles.

Two things:

1.) That's fake, proven and all.

2.)aznboi18 (http://www.youtube.com/user/aznboi18) (15 hours ago) marked as spam
LOL no offence but you can't drive. You overturn the corner. I don't have a license yet but I think I could do better than that and drive safe. Anyways those exhaust are annoying as some people have said. Get a deeper sound.

:rofl

Man i can't believe this thread is still goin.

And i can't believe AzzMan said to buy a VTEC controller to lower the vtec point. :lol You rarely lower, you'll lose power that way.

I'm just speaking from second hand experiance, but a ton of it. I've never owned a Honda, let alone one with VTEC, but I've had countless S2000 drivers say to get a VTEC controller because it creates more power down low. If a hundred people that own the car and drive it every day tell me that, you can expect me to believe it.

Google S2000 Video, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it's a much better car than the E36. Those K engines take mods very well and can EASILY do 260-280 WHP while NA and completely reliable.

You're not a car enthusiast if you can't have respect for those numbers, given it's displacement. That S2000 was driven by a shitty driver and any competent driver would have passed you up big time judging by how fast he realed you in once driver ability was taken out of the picture (IE his shitty launch).

hahahah if i recall right the engine in the s2000 is the F22 not a K-series and not true, my friend has a rsx type-S with 95k miles which he used to take canyon running. he added a quart of oil and checked the level before this happend, but while on the mountain his engine siezed at high rpm proving that his engine prolly had a major oil consumption problem. which I would say is sad because its a HONDA motor which everyone says is soo reliable. but all is good with his car now he now has a monster 2.2L block from a tsx w/ the RSX type S head(forgot wut this swap is called)

- all im saying is dont say your a true enthusiast at least get the engine codes right. AnD the video is fkn fake its been proved over and over again

- and as for modding a s2000, its pretty much already maxed out from the factory, you are getting minimal power from bolt ons and actaully become slower from f/i. (even more power lag)

rather have an evo.

- and as for modding a s2000, its pretty much already maxed out from the factory, you are getting minimal power from bolt ons and actaully become slower from f/i. (even more power lag)

Speaking from more second hand experience (but again, a ton of it), that's why owners supercharge them.

0 posts, eh? you must be a s2k forum troll. go back under your bridge.

You can call me what you want. But your illness has been diagnosed, and it is a severe case of stupid (in terms of auto knowledge). Fact of the matter is, like several other posters in this thread, I owned an S2000 before my BMW and can speak from first hand experience. You on the other hand just have your misguided hate.

- and as for modding a s2000, its pretty much already maxed out from the factory, you are getting minimal power from bolt ons and actaully become slower from f/i. (even more power lag)

Completely untrue. They become monsters when supercharged or turbo'd. Mine threw down a 12.8 with a stock supercharger kit. Had factory wheels and tires and spun almost all the way through 3rd.

- and as for modding a s2000, its pretty much already maxed out from the factory, you are getting minimal power from bolt ons and actaully become slower from f/i. (even more power lag)[/quote]

I dont think you know what the.... you're talking about.
My 5.5 psi stock Comptech Supercharger put down 280whp and I was able to keep up with my friend modded S54 MZ3.

lol ive beet s2000's in my 325 they suck.:withstupiAs you know, BMW 325 is a try hard car and It has micky mouse engine. How the....you're able to beat(beet) the Honda S2000.
Why dont you read the Kill Story thread and Maybe you'll able to learn something.

rather have an evo.

Evo is a modded lancer.

Anyways, I think this thread is done, in conclusion, S2000 is a killer enthusiast car, even if it's just a 4 cylinder n/a engine.

Here's the "soulless" car in Germany, of all places: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCp1jyZ1q3E&mode=related&search=

Against the Italians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihtrrcgoVj4&mode=related&search=

- and as for modding a s2000, its pretty much already maxed out from the factory, you are getting minimal power from bolt ons and actaully become slower from f/i. (even more power lag)

I dont think you know what the.... you're talking about.
My 5.5 psi stock Comptech Supercharger put down 280whp and I was able to keep up with my friend modded S54 MZ3.[/quote]


sad how you need a comptech to keep up with a M z3 (:alright) , but i admit you made a good choice with modding ur s2k

and sorry i typed the wrong thing, i meant that s2000 is slower under 5k rpm with f/i. and i would think thats running risky boosting the engine at 9k rpm

and as to the stock vs modded part, go check out some s2000 site where they've had races with stock s2000s against ones with intake, headers, and exhaust. The stock ones always beat the modded ones

-and you ask me how i know? because i was going to buy one back in 2000 as my first car until i realized its a honda......

but anyways if I had no choice and HAD to buy a honda i guess it would be a s2000

sad how you need a comptech to keep up with a M z3 (:alright) , but i admit you made a good choice with modding ur s2k

Are you saying S54 M-cars are slow? From a roll they get decimated by big V8+ cars like the M5 and E55, but God knows they're by no means SLOW. Besides, I thought E46 M3s were the holy grail in terms of EVERYTHING and anything that could keep up with an E46 M3 should be feared and revered. :rolleyes

-and you ask me how i know? because i was going to buy one back in 2000 as my first car until i realized its a honda......

but anyways if I had no choice and HAD to buy a honda i guess it would be a s2000

That's probably the most shallow thing I've heard in my life, or one of them. If I HAD to buy a Honda it'd be an NSX, which will outhandle any of your precious pig-weighted M cars any day of the week on any track or at any autocross course across any country on any continent in the entire world. Plus, I doubt it'd be as expensive to keep it in good enough condition to mop the tarmac with German blood.

Not that I dislike M cars, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to troll. Just that this guy is off his goddamn rocker.

:withstupiAs you know, BMW 325 is a try hard car and It has micky mouse engine. How the....you're able to beat(beet) the Honda S2000.
Why dont you read the Kill Story thread and Maybe you'll able to learn something.

I'm actually trading my car in for a 335....... I have a borla exhaust and by no means do I think it's fast. But it's not slow either and ive raced an s2000 twice and honestly there about as fast as my car. I would rather have a 325 anyday then a honda anyways.
:redspot Also it's be able to learn somthing, not just able. This isn't a Profanity Removed spelling contest lol.

Warning one: Do not use profanity on this forum.

Are you saying S54 M-cars are slow? From a roll they get decimated by big V8+ cars like the M5 and E55, but God knows they're by no means SLOW. Besides, I thought E46 M3s were the holy grail in terms of EVERYTHING and anything that could keep up with an E46 M3 should be feared and revered. :rolleyes



That's probably the most shallow thing I've heard in my life, or one of them. If I HAD to buy a Honda it'd be an NSX, which will outhandle any of your precious pig-weighted M cars any day of the week on any track or at any autocross course across any country on any continent in the entire world. Plus, I doubt it'd be as expensive to keep it in good enough condition to mop the tarmac with German blood.

Not that I dislike M cars, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to troll. Just that this guy is off his goddamn rocker.


i never said a s54 M is slow, i was saying that the s2k which is in the same class as the m roadster im assuming needs a comptech supercharger to keep up with one...

and as to my comment being shallow, how is it shallow? all i was saying is i would never buy a Honda and if I had to it would be the s2000. nsx is nice i'll admit but its just a poormans ferrari.

as for me being a M - car diehard not true. i would take a 911 over one.

p.s. : the 95 ltw is about the same weight as the lightest nsx (zanardi) if not lighter

The fact is we're comparing a 4 cylinder with a 6 cylinder car, with 4 cylinder giving it run for its money and probably being more reliable in the end anyways.

And I agree, NSX > S2000. I'd take NSX over any Japanese car. Can't beat a vehicle with exotic car performance, with daily driver reliability.

Not sure about the guy saying his S/C S2000 just "keeps up" with MZ3's. He either has no clue how to drive or his car is making crap numbers. His first problem was that he went with Comptech rather than Vortech.

No problem with anyone saying they wouldn't buy a Honda. To each his own. I would never buy a Kia.

And I agree, NSX > S2000. I'd take NSX over any Japanese car. Can't beat a vehicle with exotic car performance, with daily driver reliability.

Love the NSX too. But lets keep one thing straight. The NSX does not have exotic car performance.

I don't like S2000 either.

you mean the current crop of 3.0L 255hp, 3.2L 343hp, 5.0L 507hp, 3.0L TT 300HP???

Or the fact that honda was squeezing out 292hp out of their 3.2L v6 in the NSX (tried to find nsx-r hp figure which appear to be consistent with normal nsx's) while the s54 was making 355hp in csl trim?

dont get me wrong honda has a great lineup of small displacement engines.

But building a 240hp 2.2L with a 8.5k rpm 4 banger is not on par with the 507hp 5.0L 8.2rpm v8.

507hp 5.0 V8? Do you mean V10 (M5 and M6)?

But it's not slow either and ive raced an s2000 twice and honestly there about as fast as my car. I would rather have a 325 anyday then a honda anyways.
:redspot Also it's be able to learn somthing, not just able. This isn't a spelling contest lol.



Its they're, not there.

and as to my comment being shallow, how is it shallow? all i was saying is i would never buy a Honda and if I had to it would be the s2000. nsx is nice i'll admit but its just a poormans ferrari.


Are you serious? Do you really not see the shallowness in your statements? Look harder.

You can call me what you want. But your illness has been diagnosed, and it is a severe case of stupid (in terms of auto knowledge). Fact of the matter is, like several other posters in this thread, I owned an S2000 before my BMW and can speak from first hand experience. You on the other hand just have your misguided hate.

Well said. :buttrock

Love the NSX too. But lets keep one thing straight. The NSX does not have exotic car performance.

Well it had an exotic car performance for the year it came out. It just was never really updated, except minor things.

But their supposedly working on a V10 AWD NSX now, which will again be able to compete with Ferraris most likely.

Well it had an exotic car performance for the year it came out. It just was never really updated, except minor things.

But their supposedly working on a V10 AWD NSX now, which will again be able to compete with Ferraris most likely.

In 1998 when C&D did their 0-150mph test, it ran a 12.9 1/4 mile and hit 150mph before the C5 Vette. I would say that is borderline supercar for the day. Combine that with the handling, it's pretty close.

In 1998 when C&D did their 0-150mph test, it ran a 12.9 1/4 mile and hit 150mph before the C5 Vette. I would say that is borderline supercar for the day. Combine that with the handling, it's pretty close.

Not only before the Vette, but the 911, and some of the tuner cars they ran in the same test. It's 0-150 time was TWO SECONDS faster than the 'Vette's. At those speeds, that's quite a few buslengths.

Well it had an exotic car performance for the year it came out. It just was never really updated, except minor things.

But their supposedly working on a V10 AWD NSX now, which will again be able to compete with Ferraris most likely.

Ya you're right. I guess I never really realized how long ago it was actually released, before I was interested in cars at all.

I've driven a lot of cars, from the very bottom of the entire range up to near the very top.

In doing so, I came to the realization that there are a lot of ridiculous misconceptions out there which are taken to be true, even gospel (general examples: BMW can't build a reliable car; Mercedes-Benz is universally boring; Japanese cars have no soul). That's because most people develop opinions on various cars without having ever driven (let alone owned) them. They look at numbers on a page or parrot what they heard word-of-mouth, statements which are oftentimes of an apocryphal nature. Well, if you're somebody who actually loves driving (and understands driving from that perspective), you wouldn't speak one way or another about a particular car until you've actually driven it.

I've driven a lot of cars, from the very bottom of the entire range up to near the very top.

In doing so, I came to the realization that there are a lot of ridiculous misconceptions out there which are taken to be true, even gospel (general examples: BMW can't build a reliable car; Mercedes-Benz is universally boring; Japanese cars have no soul). That's because most people develop opinions on various cars without having ever driven (let alone owned) them. They look at numbers on a page or parrot what they heard word-of-mouth, statements which are oftentimes of an apocryphal nature. Well, if you're somebody who actually loves driving (and understands driving from that perspective), you wouldn't speak one way or another about a particular car until you've actually driven it.
Quote of the year. :handclap

Quote of the year. :handclap


+1

+ 2

I've driven a lot of cars, from the very bottom of the entire range up to near the very top.

In doing so, I came to the realization that there are a lot of ridiculous misconceptions out there which are taken to be true, even gospel (general examples: BMW can't build a reliable car; Mercedes-Benz is universally boring; Japanese cars have no soul). That's because most people develop opinions on various cars without having ever driven (let alone owned) them. They look at numbers on a page or parrot what they heard word-of-mouth, statements which are oftentimes of an apocryphal nature. Well, if you're somebody who actually loves driving (and understands driving from that perspective), you wouldn't speak one way or another about a particular car until you've actually driven it.

worst post ever.

Damn I wonder where people get the idea that BMW drivers are all typical shallow douche bags :rolleyes

Damn I wonder where people get the idea that BMW drivers are all typical shallow douche bags :rolleyes
:rofl:

The S2000 doesn't suck. The S2000 is just as fast as a 1995 E36 M3.
Heh, no. I've raced dozens of S2K's, stock 95 M3, all of them were clearly decisive victories (1-2 car lengths), all the time, every time.

Heh, no. I've raced dozens of S2K's, stock 95 M3, all of them were clearly decisive victories (1-2 car lengths), all the time, every time.

I had the exact opposite experience. So what does that mean?

I hope you get what I am saying. This can go on forever. The only real way to settle these issues are on a timed track, where the S2000 and E36 M3 have amazingly similar numbers. Both are capable of low 14's to high 13's. The biggest variable is the driver.

E36 M3s aren't that goddamn fast. Some of yall just need to get over it. Different strokes for different folks. I love both cars...each is special in its own little way. And the two are very evenly matched.

E36 turds aren't that goddamn fast nor special. Some of yall need to get over it.
Yeah look at my sig. My turd damn slow! Hell I don't think my turd could walk a stock Honda Civic. :stickoutt

In before the edit! :buttrock

Yeah look at my sig. My turd damn slow! Hell I don't think my turd could walk a stock Honda Civic. :stickoutt

In before the edit! :buttrock

:D LIES!!! I tried to tone down my post a bit, but you beat me to the edit button.

:D LIES!!! I tried to tone down my post a bit, but you beat me to the edit button.
Well you own a turd so nobody will take offense. :lol

Well you own a turd so nobody will take offense. :lol

Precisely. :stickoutt And I'm quite proud of my turd...it's just a slow PITA sometimes. :D

If I HAD to buy a Honda it'd be an NSX, which will outhandle any of your precious pig-weighted M cars any day of the week on any track or at any autocross course across any country on any continent in the entire world.

you should look for this article..correct me if im wrong but i believe that the "pig-weighted" M car put handled the cars here even the NSX.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/SaiKoE36/page1.gif

In 1998 when C&D did their 0-150mph test, it ran a 12.9 1/4 mile and hit 150mph before the C5 Vette. I would say that is borderline supercar for the day. Combine that with the handling, it's pretty close.

Yes, but in 1998, NSX was nearly a decade old model, without any major updates. Remember first year NSX was 1990, and it was introduced in mid/late 80s.

How does a car have "soul"?

+1.
I'm driving 04 SC S2000 over 3 years and It has much more soul than my 07 335 coupe.Infact,It has more soul then most BMW cars;However,STOCK S2000 is not a Drag racing car(0-60 or 1/4 miles car).Due to IT is only has 4 banngers,BUT IT'LL WILL SMOKE ALL BMW 1.9 LITER ,2.5 INLINE 6 (DAMN IT ABLE TO SMOKE BMW 6 BANGERS).
ON THE TWISTIE.S2000 WILL SMOKE MOST STOCK BMW CARS.THAT'S INCLUDE YOUR 12 YEARS OLDS E36 M3.

Ya thats what you think. The cheap ass honda hits 0 to 60 mph in just 5.8 seconds. So you want to compare to a E36 BMW M3? So since you stated that it can beat all inline 6 beemers, why dont we take the true (BMW) versions like the euro (not our cheap ass USA/Canadian versions)! The euro puts out: 240 kW/321 bhp 0-60 mph - 5.5 s. It will smoke the cheap ass honda into peices and spit it out. Dont say all inline 6 cause the euro version is also inline 6 with 24v and puts out more that 300hp.

And you are comparing a 2000's s2000 to an older car. If you put it towards a 2000 BMW M3 then you talking business. That does it in a wopping 4.7 seconds.

Hondas handling and bmws are not the same. My friend has a S2000 and yes I did drive it, and it feels like shit. I love my bimmer more. Japanese cars will never be as good and fun as a german engineered car.

Also just in case you didnt know the germans have the fastest cars in the world. Besides I rather buy a car that knows their engines, afterall BMWS use to make airplane engines thats more reliable then opening a hood of a honda and finding out thats the valve cover case is made of tin lol.. hahah or the electric stove top fan lol to cool the engine lol.

Profanity is the perfect excuse to close this worthless thread.

Ya thats what you think. The cheap ass honda hits 0 to 60 mph in just 5.8 seconds. So you want to compare to a E36 BMW M3? So since you stated that it can beat all inline 6 beemers, why dont we take the true (BMW) versions like the euro (not our cheap ass USA/Canadian versions)! The euro puts out: 240 kW/321 bhp 0-60 mph - 5.5 s. It will smoke the cheap ass honda into peices and spit it out. Dont say all inline 6 cause the euro version is also inline 6 with 24v and puts out more that 300hp.

And you are comparing a 2000's s2000 to an older car. If you put it towards a 2000 BMW M3 then you talking business. That does it in a wopping 4.7 seconds.

Hondas handling and bmws are not the same. My friend has a S2000 and yes I did drive it, and it feels like shit. I love my bimmer more. Japanese cars will never be as good and fun as a german engineered car.

Also just in case you didnt know the germans have the fastest cars in the world. Besides I rather buy a car that knows their engines, afterall BMWS use to make airplane engines thats more reliable then opening a hood of a honda and finding out thats the valve cover case is made of tin lol.. hahah or the electric stove top fan lol to cool the engine lol.

wow.

s2ks are alright... a suspension modded s2k and a suspension modded m3, m3 is alot more fun to drive and handle better.... but whatevers.

The "experts" have taken over.

We've officially hit the point of no return.

God help this thread.

Hopefully some of you guys know what a S54 Mz3 is..... but i dont think the responders do.

And the S2k isnt really a direct competitor of the M3 so comparing it to the E46 M3 is retarded.

Lets just end the thread here. The S2k is a great roadster, one of the best drivers car you can get for the money. Its not quick, its even torque-less - but so is my E46 M3.

The E36 M3 is an awesome car but its no race car. Both cars are great and this comparison will never end. Drive the car and drive it for more than just a few minutes before judging it. Its pointless to just look at a car, ride in a car, or even read about a car and THINK that you know the car. Its the same when Muscle car guys look at us and ask themselves, "WHY the HELL would anyone spend $60-$70k on an M3 that runs only 13 second quarter miles?" Drive the car, then youll see....biatch

Ya thats what you think. The cheap ass honda hits 0 to 60 mph in just 5.8 seconds. So you want to compare to a E36 BMW M3? So since you stated that it can beat all inline 6 beemers, why dont we take the true (BMW) versions like the euro (not our cheap ass USA/Canadian versions)! The euro puts out: 240 kW/321 bhp 0-60 mph - 5.5 s. It will smoke the cheap ass honda into peices and spit it out. Dont say all inline 6 cause the euro version is also inline 6 with 24v and puts out more that 300hp.

And you are comparing a 2000's s2000 to an older car. If you put it towards a 2000 BMW M3 then you talking business. That does it in a wopping 4.7 seconds.

Hondas handling and bmws are not the same. My friend has a S2000 and yes I did drive it, and it feels like shit. I love my bimmer more. Japanese cars will never be as good and fun as a german engineered car.

Also just in case you didnt know the germans have the fastest cars in the world. Besides I rather buy a car that knows their engines, afterall BMWS use to make airplane engines thats more reliable then opening a hood of a honda and finding out thats the valve cover case is made of tin lol.. hahah or the electric stove top fan lol to cool the engine lol.

why am i not surprised that this is coming from a 325 owner. get over your car there buddy an S2k will wipe the floor with your car. handles better then the E36M much less your car. is equal if not a tad slower in straight line to the M. your mag dont mean squat, cause if they did you can say the s2k went 13.7 in a motor trend mag a while ago, thats faster then any stock E36M i have ever seen reported in a mag. and let me just take stab in the dark at your age im guessing your in your late teens maybe early 20's am i right? for your reference before you surmise your fanboy response i do not own an s2k but have raced long enough to know the capabilities of one on the track.

Hammad

Ya thats what you think. The cheap ass honda hits 0 to 60 mph in just 5.8 seconds. So you want to compare to a E36 BMW M3? So since you stated that it can beat all inline 6 beemers, why dont we take the true (BMW) versions like the euro (not our cheap ass USA/Canadian versions)! The euro puts out: 240 kW/321 bhp 0-60 mph - 5.5 s. It will smoke the cheap ass honda into peices and spit it out. Dont say all inline 6 cause the euro version is also inline 6 with 24v and puts out more that 300hp.

And you are comparing a 2000's s2000 to an older car. If you put it towards a 2000 BMW M3 then you talking business. That does it in a wopping 4.7 seconds.

Hondas handling and bmws are not the same. My friend has a S2000 and yes I did drive it, and it feels like shit. I love my bimmer more. Japanese cars will never be as good and fun as a german engineered car.

Also just in case you didnt know the germans have the fastest cars in the world. Besides I rather buy a car that knows their engines, afterall BMWS use to make airplane engines thats more reliable then opening a hood of a honda and finding out thats the valve cover case is made of tin lol.. hahah or the electric stove top fan lol to cool the engine lol.

Lol @ Germans have fastest cars in the world.

Honda made a 4 cylinder engine put out 240 horses n/a, and you're impressed that BMW made a 6 cylinder engine n/a that makes 300 HP? Should I again mention that Honda's engine is likely more reliable too? lol

Oh and I'm not saying BMWs are crap or anything, cause they're not, I love them, but saying Honda is shit is beyond ridiculous. They have awesome engineers.