View Full Version : Best M60 engine chip ?
So I decided to purchase a chip for my 540...i hate the speed governor, and ~30hp would be nice.
What chips are you guys running? how much did you pay? is the install very complicated? Enlighten me...:)
moroza 04-29-2007, 04:23 PM You're not going to get 30hp. You'll get a very optimistic 15. Installation was easy for me, but you may have some alarm system electronics that would make it more complicated. Completely different engine, but I'm running an EAT, and am a bit happier with it than a JC, which itself was a good improvement over stock. Chips are more about feel than actual performance - gains are there, but they're subtle at best. JC's supposedly remove the speed governor, and you're in luck - the only EAT chips without a speed governor are for your car.
boone.msi 04-29-2007, 04:28 PM i believe the m60's get a steady 28hp from the likes of Dinan and EAT (the two i recomend)
what speed are you hitting? ive gone up to 137 with room to go before...
MaloventEvil 04-29-2007, 04:49 PM anyone have e34 540 / 530 dynos pre/post chip?
My car is limited @ ~215 km/h, or ~130mph. Not kool.
Will I notice a significant difference with part throttle acceleration?? that's what i'm most concerned about. I don't like having to step on it to get strong acceleration. Damn automatics...
I think I'll go with the Dinan chip...provided it isn't significantly more expensive then the $229 EAT.
boone.msi 04-29-2007, 05:11 PM that dosent make any sense... what gearing do you have?
Jcbe34 04-29-2007, 05:55 PM Im planning on getting MarkD to make me one, but contacting him has been hit or miss. From the sounds of it he is very busy
Analog 04-29-2007, 06:09 PM that dosent make any sense... what gearing do you have?
540's are limited at 128.
Traian 04-29-2007, 06:30 PM 540's are limited at 128.
True. I've never seen more than that:devillook, but if I did I would assume the speedo is just stroking my ego. :)
boone.msi 04-29-2007, 06:34 PM you guys are tempting me to do a highspeed run:devillook , maybe im chipped and didn't know it...
DrewZ 04-29-2007, 08:37 PM I'm running a MarkD chip in my M60B40 Touring. Power comes on earlier than with the stock chip, and I love the increased rev limiter. Highest speed I've seen is an indicated 140mph at Pocono.
So I decided to purchase a chip for my 540...i hate the speed governor, and ~30hp would be nice.
What chips are you guys running? how much did you pay? is the install very complicated? Enlighten me...
DrewZ 04-29-2007, 08:37 PM Forgot to mention that installation is very easy.
I'm running a MarkD chip in my M60B40 Touring. Power comes on earlier than with the stock chip, and I love the increased rev limiter. Highest speed I've seen is an indicated 140mph at Pocono.
scyrusurcys 04-29-2007, 09:15 PM you guys are tempting me to do a highspeed run:devillook , maybe im chipped and didn't know it...
I wanted to see if I was chipped too, so last night I pulled out the ECU. It took me about 2 hours to get it completely open to where I could see the chip [stock chip.. dang :(] because pulling out that top row of pins was a MAJOR PITA. Make sure you depress the top middle portion of the row of pins before trying to pull it out. It's a giant "tab" altogether.
boone.msi 04-29-2007, 10:08 PM yea, i figured it'd be a PITA to check the chip, driving 100+mph is just so much easier and fun...
Ah the drive to school via backroads and 2 lane straight aways, il check back tomorrow after class.
shurton 04-29-2007, 10:27 PM I've got an EAT chip in my 540 and I'm really happy with it. Better throttle response, better gas milage, and a bit more power.
boone.msi 04-30-2007, 11:38 PM well didn't get a chance to do a run today, serpentine belt is slipping so it'd only be stupid to drive over 100mph and have my belt snap...
boone.msi 05-07-2007, 11:25 PM well i hit 137mph with a passenger today on an open interstate straight-away with no problems at all. Would have gone farther but i was aproaching a couple cars and didnt wanna take any risk. No govern, shaking or anything with some room to go. My friend is also 6'3 280lbs, so with that i know i could easily get into the 140+ range without a passenger.
Just letting you guys know, i really think our cars are governed at 144, with the m5 being governed at 153 on a "gentlemens agreement" with mercedes benz...
oh yea, forgot to mention i was playing with a lexus is300 when i hit it up to 140, after 120 it just kind of faded into the scenery:stickoutt
TC535i 05-08-2007, 12:43 PM Anybody with a 95 540i w/EWS got a chip? I think I need to pick up an E32 740 ECU before I chip it, to get rid of the EWS stuff.
I've heard REALLY good things about the dude that sells the 4l V8 chips on ebay, he's on roadfly... all the 840/740 guys LOVE his programming. :dunno
s_ribs 05-08-2007, 02:00 PM I'll let you guys know how the Dinan chip works out. I had one on my old 535 and loved it. Just picked up the new chip yesterday and should hopefully have it in today.
DINAN FTW!!!
shelbyz4u2nv 05-08-2007, 09:23 PM I hit the 128 mph gov today racing a new VW gti 3 times in a row, him blasting past me every damn time...the speedo indicates 130 and is a major PITA when there is soooo much more room to go. If the car is US spec, it is governed, if not then you have a chip....im 100% on this
scyrusurcys 05-08-2007, 10:07 PM I've heard REALLY good things about the dude that sells the 4l V8 chips on ebay, he's on roadfly... all the 840/740 guys LOVE his programming. :dunno
If you're talking about the seller "wokke_2000", I would seriously like to know if they can stand behind their numbers 100%. They claim a boost of +50ft.lbs. of torque and +40hp from their chip on the 540i. If this is true, I'm gonna jump on one of their auctions as soon as I can dish out the cash.
That's a lot of torque gain :eyecrazy
boone.msi 05-08-2007, 10:07 PM If the car is US spec, it is governed, if not then you have a chip....im 100%
interesting, time to check the ecu...
TC535i 05-09-2007, 12:08 AM If you're talking about the seller "wokke_2000", I would seriously like to know if they can stand behind their numbers 100%. They claim a boost of +50ft.lbs. of torque and +40hp from their chip on the 540i. If this is true, I'm gonna jump on one of their auctions as soon as I can dish out the cash.
That's a lot of torque gain :eyecrazy
That's the guy. I need to buy an E32 ECU on the cheap, then I'll pick up a chip.
boone.msi 05-09-2007, 01:53 PM Stock:
m60b30
215hp / 218bhp
214ft.lbs@4500 Rpm
m60b40
282hp / 286bhp
295ft.lbs@4500 Rpm
Wokke_2000's chip:
M60B30 (3.0l-V8) to about 239HP (DIN) and 320Nm(236.16 ft-lb's torque)
M60B40 (4.0l-V8) to about 326HP (DIN) and 480Nm(354.24 ft-lb's torque)
Those are some pretty impressive numbers, im tryin to find dyno results on roadfly but their threads are disgustingly sloppy and time consuming to sort through...
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e31/search.php?st=wokke&dosearch=Search!&ps=20&m=natural&o=datedesc
if anyone wants to help look, thats the roadfly link discussing his work.
s_ribs 05-09-2007, 02:24 PM Um, wow. I am highly suspicious of those numbers. That's not out of the question for a turbo car, but NA??? Doubtful.
Goat128 05-09-2007, 02:30 PM of course it must be crank and not wheel... i dont know about the tq though.. they are strong numbers, he might be using racing gas.
s_ribs 05-09-2007, 02:31 PM All the same, those are a bit beyond optimistic numbers.
boone.msi 05-09-2007, 02:33 PM maybe, i use 93 so:dunno a good ol' dyno would help alot, if these numbers are solid theres no doubt on who i would get my chip from.
boone.msi 05-09-2007, 02:36 PM maybe upon further investigation we should prupose a group buy? Id say $150 shipped is worthy of a test on our cars...
s_ribs 05-10-2007, 01:19 AM Dinan chip is in. I'm a BIG fan!
Dinan chip is in. I'm a BIG fan!
How much did it cost ya ? The site doesn't list the price.
s_ribs 05-10-2007, 12:58 PM I don't know what it cost me yet or what it "should" cost.
Since I've driven the car a bit now I can comment more on the chip -
MUCH, much more drivable now. What impresses me the most is how much low end power the chip added. Driving at 10 mph in 2nd gear, hit the gas... feels like 1st gear now. The car has never pulled so hard from 1500 rpm's before. Top end is better, but the bottom end is most noticeable. The car just feels smoother all around.
I'd have to say that Dinan may not be terribly far off with there claims of power for exhaust and chip. Shoot, I took someone for a ride not too long ago (another 540/6 owner) and he couldn't believe how big a difference just the exhaust made. If nothing else, the power curve is certainly fatter and smoother. Most notable is the responsiveness though. Before it moved but took a second, now it's instantaneous.
Pain in the ASS dismantling the 540 ECU with it's multiple layer board though.
romscor1 05-10-2007, 01:15 PM I'm trying to get EAT chip from Mark D'Sylva'. I'm not getting any response.:dunno
s_ribs 05-10-2007, 01:31 PM Why not go the Dinan route? If memory serves me, they are only $200.
pghmailman 05-10-2007, 02:01 PM Dinan list their chip @ $199.00 . Here is a link to all their products pricing.
http://www.dinancars.com/PriceFile.asp?ID=40
Peace
MUCH, much more drivable now. What impresses me the most is how much low end power the chip added. Driving at 10 mph in 2nd gear, hit the gas... feels like 1st gear now. The car has never pulled so hard from 1500 rpm's before. Top end is better, but the bottom end is most noticeable. The car just feels smoother all around.
That's what i wanted to hear...low end powah. Gonna have to order one now :buttrock
s_ribs 05-10-2007, 07:34 PM Just FYI, you are going to need some numbers off the ECU to order it. The number on the bar code, and the 3 (7-digit) numbers on the white label, as well as the production date of your car, and I believe the VIN as well.
txp135 05-10-2007, 11:12 PM There's a group buy on EAT chip at bimmer.info. It's a sticky.
I'm trying to get EAT chip from Mark D'Sylva'. I'm not getting any response.:dunno
boone.msi 05-11-2007, 12:01 AM Why not go the Dinan route? If memory serves me, they are only $200.
Dinan is great, but its the numbers not the price that stuns me. I would rather spend the money on Wokke's chip just to see if they are actual. If all is true wokke's chip is much better than Dinans...
s_ribs 05-11-2007, 12:33 AM They won't be.
romscor1 05-11-2007, 09:11 AM There's a group buy on EAT chip at bimmer.info. It's a sticky.
Thanks, getting it there now!!
scyrusurcys 08-08-2007, 12:25 AM So did anyone find out if that eBay seller sold legit chips for 540i's?
Ordered an EAT chip this weekend. Will keep everyone posted on results once it arrives.
shu328 08-13-2007, 10:13 PM So did anyone find out if that eBay seller sold legit chips for 540i's?
bump. also wondering the same thing ... what happened guys? :help
skylinergtr 08-14-2007, 03:33 AM i have and installed a wokke_2000 chip on my 95 530i. i think the power is a lot better, it even made me tranny shift a lot smoother, and not too early. when i put it into sport mode, the car flys. i recommend it, but i still need some more boost later. exhaust and air filter?
Ordered an EAT chip this weekend. Will keep everyone posted on results once it arrives.
Got the chip installed. First impressions are good - definitely a significant low-end boost. Once I've put some miles on it I'll get into more detail.
TC535i 09-24-2007, 07:53 PM [size=7]WOKKE RIPPED ME OFF[s/ize]
I hate having to post this kinda stuff, but when I get screwed out of $$$, others need to know.
He mailed the chip inside an envelope (if you can call it that... more like a piece of paper folded over and stapled together), and there was a huge tear in it when I got it in my mailbox, and no chip. I assume one of the machines that automatically processes the mail must have gotten stuck on the size of the chip in a "flat" envelope, and tore it/fell out/whatever.
Either way, I email him and he says even tho I didn't buy insurance, if I pay him the insurance amount he'll ship me another chip. I do, and hear nothing from him.
I contacted him since and got no response. I don't mean to badmouth people on the forums, but I spent decent cash with this guy and haven't recieved a single servicible item, and my followups go unanswered. The fault as I see it was his half-assed packaging job and a lack of knowledge of postal processing procedures I guess, but in either case... buyer beware.
What a bunch of bullshit. :mad
Analog 09-24-2007, 08:03 PM Wow I hope everything works out. Hate to hear that.
TC535i 09-24-2007, 08:04 PM Wow I hope everything works out. Hate to hear that.
I dunno where else to go after having him ignore my emails after offering me a new chip. :dunno
Turns out it won't work on my EWS car anyways (he told me he'd get final info about running a non-EWS computer with his chip... so now I have a non-EWS 540i ECU that I don't need either :mad)
either way, I got screwed out of money, and the man didn't stand up to his promise. Very disappointing.
Analog 09-24-2007, 08:35 PM How much did you pay? HIs claims are steep and got my interest up, but this is a downer..
TC535i 09-24-2007, 08:43 PM How much did you pay? HIs claims are steep and got my interest up, but this is a downer..
Whatever it was on ebay... $149 or something?
boone.msi 09-25-2007, 07:24 AM TC535i this is about the Wokke chip?
Did you send all your information to him through email? ie:year model, production date, vin#?
I never got around to ordering one, too caught up financialy, but man... what a kick to the balls.
530i1995 09-25-2007, 10:02 AM Just FYI guys my dyno results will be posted end of this week or maybe as late as mon next week (pre and post tune)
So if you are wanting a chip and you live in Atlanta you might want to wait on our BBQ/dyno day at the end of october.
The shop that did mine will be there for any on the spot chip tunes that you would like to be done. And my car will be a demo for before and after results.
TC535i 09-25-2007, 10:46 AM TC535i this is about the Wokke chip?
Did you send all your information to him through email? ie:year model, production date, vin#?
I never got around to ordering one, too caught up financialy, but man... what a kick to the balls.
Yup. He doesn't have an EWS chip, but we thought a non-EWS computer could be installed in it's place. Not only did I buy a non-EWS computer that I now have no use for (tried it, doesn't run my car), I also paid him for a chip that I never recieved (I couldn't use it anyways, but at least I could have sold it...)
Not so happy about the whole situation really, but if it keeps somebody else from getting screwed, I guess it's worth posting.
boone.msi 09-25-2007, 10:53 AM wow, sorry man...
Guess i wont be going with Wokke then
TC535i 09-25-2007, 11:53 AM I know Mark just came up with some new programs, might check that out.
wokke 11-04-2007, 01:11 PM [size=7]WOKKE RIPPED ME OFF[s/ize]
I hate having to post this kinda stuff, but when I get screwed out of $$$, others need to know.
He mailed the chip inside an envelope (if you can call it that... more like a piece of paper folded over and stapled together), and there was a huge tear in it when I got it in my mailbox, and no chip. I assume one of the machines that automatically processes the mail must have gotten stuck on the size of the chip in a "flat" envelope, and tore it/fell out/whatever.
Either way, I email him and he says even tho I didn't buy insurance, if I pay him the insurance amount he'll ship me another chip. I do, and hear nothing from him.
I contacted him since and got no response. I don't mean to badmouth people on the forums, but I spent decent cash with this guy and haven't recieved a single servicible item, and my followups go unanswered. The fault as I see it was his half-assed packaging job and a lack of knowledge of postal processing procedures I guess, but in either case... buyer beware.
What a bunch of bullshit. :mad
Sorry buddy, but this post is absolutely unfair. Go to roadfly or any other of the bimmer forums and read the feedback about my service and you'll find out that your experience can't be true. You NEVER informed me that the 2nd chip I've sent out hasn't reached you. Once in a while USPS is able to loose shipments - even 4 rims in a huge box got lost recently.
We've had quite some conversation about your conversion from an EWS II Motronic back to a 404 which is a lot more time consuming than just shipping another chip. Why the f... should I all of a sudden stop the communication with you? I just checked my mails and I have found nothing about a lost or non received shipment. Please forward me this or those mails which I haven't answered and I happily send a 3rd chip. BTW, I have improved my packing, but I have sold hundreds of chips in the "envelope" packing (avoids customs trouble BTW) and never had a problem.
Wolf
wokke 11-04-2007, 01:40 PM Yup. He doesn't have an EWS chip, ...
how can you say that? You know it's not true:
quote from an email you've sent me:
Just to clarify, you'd "read" my EWS programming and burn it into the chip? Actually, what I want to do is remove it entirely. My 540i is a salvage title car, and because of such, BMW *will not* sell me another key. Unfortunately, I can't just get one cut, because of the EWS system in mine. Either I remove the EWS sensor and tape it up with a key and shove that under the dash and get a blank key cut... or I replace the ECU with a 1994 one.
but we thought a non-EWS computer could be installed in it's place. Not only did I buy a non-EWS computer that I now have no use for (tried it, doesn't run my car), I also paid him for a chip that I never recieved (I couldn't use it anyways, but at least I could have sold it...)
Not so happy about the whole situation really, but if it keeps somebody else from getting screwed, I guess it's worth posting.it was entirely YOUR idea to go back to non EWS. I wrote to you that I have never done it and recommended to check on other bimmer forums (roadfly) if anyone can give you any hints. So please don't blame me on this.
SBvr6 11-04-2007, 03:37 PM sommmmmebodys bout to go schoooled!
sommmmmebodys bout to go schoooled!
:eatpop:
wokke 11-05-2007, 05:37 AM looking forward to your response
TC535i 11-05-2007, 11:54 AM Wow... just saw this.
Everything I said is 100% true. Have you ever shipped anything to Los Angeles? A friend here indicated that flat mail (like the greeting card type envelope you sent me... I still have it, actually) is run thru a machine that squeezes it (shoots between two rollers), and if there's anything inside, it will be torn out. I don't know if this is the case, but simply putting a chip in an envelope is OBVIOUSLY not a good way to ship, and in this case, I'm apparantly the one holding the bag.
I emailed you about it, you offered the solution of me sending more money... I did, and I never recieved ANYTHING, not even a torn envelope this time. You didn't respond to my emails. I can dig it up if you want.
I'm not going to argue the rest, but that's how it stands. Do you think I'm trying to sell your chips on the side to make a couple hundred bucks? I've been on these boards for YEARS, I've met literally hundreds of people from here, and could have at least 50 vouch for me personally at any given time. I didn't post to screw you, as I indicated from the very beginning... but I got 100% jacked on a business purchase from you, and I have every right to tell that story.
And even if you didn't get the email from me... are you saying you didn't get the funds? Because I have the paypal transaction showing you recieved and accepted the funds... did you or didn't you ship another chip per your offer?
TC535i 11-05-2007, 11:57 AM -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Collins [mailto:tcollins@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:44 AM
To:
Subject: RE: Fragen zu Artikel Nr. 320082815139 - Performance chip-BMW - E31/E32/E34 - V8 - 326HP / 480Nm
Hi Wolf,
I sent the additional funds on 6/12, and hadn't seen anything yet... just wondering if you had a tracking number or anything for the package?
Thanks!
-Tim
TC535i 11-05-2007, 12:03 PM how can you say that? You know it's not true:
quote from an email you've sent me:
it was entirely YOUR idea to go back to non EWS. I wrote to you that I have never done it and recommended to check on other bimmer forums (roadfly) if anyone can give you any hints. So please don't blame me on this.
The non-EWS was a mistype, my apologies... I meant that you didn't have a blanket non-ews chip, it was based on each individual application. It was my idea to go non-EWS, but do you remember this email exchange? Seems to me that you think it works...
the taping trick might work if you want to use a mechanically identical non EWWS key, but there is also a programm in the Motronic chip which you'd remove by installing my 404 chip. The Motronic identifies the chip as beeing not the correct one and won't start. So if you want to use my standard 404 chip you need a 404 Motronic. And as you correctly say this Motronic won't look for any EWS and therefor no taping required.
How expensive is a used 404 Motronic? If you send me the VIN I can check with my local BMW dealer if he has a possibility to get an EWS key for you.
Wolf
Seems pretty clear you're convinced it'll run on a 404 Motronic... which I bought, and it didn't work. That's all I was saying.
Anyhow, I really wish this would have worked out, since I've found out some more about bypassing EWS.
I'm really not going to spend the time or energy arguing this with you (which I have neither of, I'm flying 3,000 miles in a few hours to attend my deceased grandfathers funeral). I posted here because of an unsatisfactory business transaction and followup, and told my side of the story.
id still like to know how the chip ran....
wokke 11-05-2007, 12:17 PM @ TC535i
I'm also not going to argue with you any further. The mail dated July 3rd never reached me and I would have appreciated if you would have tried to check back with me once more why I'm not responding. You certainly know that emails sometimes disappear in cyberspace for whatever reason.
But whatever, I'll send you another chip again because you paid for an insured shipment. It will go out tomorrow.
BTW, I did receive all your payments and I of course shipped the replacement chip. Just check out my ebay profile and feedbacks and ask yourself if your conclusion based on this misunderstanding fits into it.
Sorry to hear that about your grandpa BTW Tim.
Wolf
If you're talking about the seller "wokke_2000", I would seriously like to know if they can stand behind their numbers 100%. They claim a boost of +50ft.lbs. of torque and +40hp from their chip on the 540i. If this is true, I'm gonna jump on one of their auctions as soon as I can dish out the cash.
That's a lot of torque gain :eyecrazy
Hey Wokke, if youve got dyno's or other reviews that support your numbers, Im in to buy.
wokke 11-05-2007, 12:28 PM id still like to know how the chip ran....
just go to the E31 section. Plenty of those guys are running it in their 840s.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=826154&highlight=wokke+chip
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=852532&highlight=wokke+chip
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=859478&highlight=wokke+chip
wokke 11-05-2007, 12:31 PM Hey Wokke, if youve got dyno's or other reviews that support your numbers, Im in to buy.
I'm offering them on ebay (wokke_2000). The auction text has a dyno chart as well and a lot of NOT FAKED feedbacks regarding my M60 and M70 chips.
Cheers
Wolf
[quote=wokke;11118894]just go to the E31 section. Plenty of those guys are running it in their 840s.]
cool, but anything on a 540?
wokke 11-05-2007, 12:41 PM M60 is M60, regardless of the body around it. HP and torque don't depend on the body, only top speed differs.
E31 owners seem to be more into chip tuning their cars. Most of my chips go to E31 owners (M60 as well as M70). Appears to me that E34 owners are more into individualizing the optics of their babies while E32 owners like to keep everything pretty much stock but the car as such in good condition. I make the same experience BTW here in Germany.
Cheers
Wolf
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