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Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 01:58 PM
E36 DIY: Lowering joint Assembly Replacement


Ive had play in my steering every since i bought the car almost a year ago and have finally gotten around to fixing the problem. I had a rear trailing arm replaced back in October by a local Bavauto, which i don’t recommend in our area. They are very unprofessional about their work and didn’t do a good job while my car was in there...anyways, i had them do a small inspection on my car while it was in there. They diagnosed my steering play as needing a new rack and pinion which was quoted at around $900.00 installed by them. I didn’t have that kind of money and tried sourcing a new rack myself and installing it with new tie rods and such. About a month or two later my engine decided to take a crap on the way home from work which resulted in an engine swap. After taking the engine out, i decided to further inspect the rack myself seeing as how I had access to everything without the engine getting in the way.

I rolled down the window and turned the wheel back and forth to see if I could hear the “clunk” I would always get before the “play” went away and the steering would engage. While doing this, I watched the steering column and joints to see if everything was ok, but noticed that where the upper column exits the firewall and joins with the lower half of the column, the bushings inside of that joint were practically non-existent. Since the engine was out of the car, it was really easy to move the racks input shaft (Lower Joint Assembly) back and forth to make sure that that was the area where the play was coming from. I did some researching and called a few shops and the dealership to confirm that the joint was not supposed to move in such a way that it did.

Unfortunately the engine swap got pretty expensive because I had to replace the engine, starter, slave cylinder, battery, and a few other odds and ends, the problem couldn’t be dealt with at that time. Some of you know that my car was down for a good 2 months after that due to electric problems, which is now fixed.

Earlier this week I finally had some extra money to buy the part and finally rid myself of this sloppy steering. Part #32311159866 quoted at $152.89 by realoem.com, and my dealer charged $154.xx+tax.

This may look like an easy job, and it is, just a PITA. I’ve searched this forum up and down for some kind of DIY and haven’t seen one yet and if I did, it was “hey I have play in the steering, I found the problem, ill write a DIY, and the post disappears”….not very helpful. I started last night on the project and it seemed pretty straight forward. Below is a picture of the assembly which I am/have been referring to in this DIY.

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Disclaimer:
Follow my instructions at your own risk. I am not liable for any damages caused by following my instructions. Proceed at your own risk.


Tools needed:
[2] 3/8 Ratchets
[2] 13mm Sockets
[2] 15mm Sockets
[1] Breaker bar
[1] Lower joint assembly (Part #32311159866)
[1] Mallet/hammer
[1] Tube of Anti-seize
[1] Can of Wd40/PB Blaster

1. Park the car on a flat surface.

2. Loosen the front wheels with a 4-way or equivalent. Lift the front end of the car using a jack, and secure it with a jack stand. Secure the rear wheels so the car does roll backwards while attempting to repair your vehicle. (For instructions on how to properly jack and support your vehicle, visit pelicanparts.com tech info section.)

3. Disconnect the (-) Negative cable to the battery to prevent any mishaps with the airbag and other electrical components in the car. Note: If you have the stock radio installed in your vehicle, it will be reset and you WILL be required to input a user code in order for it to work again. If you do not have this code, call your nearest BMW Dealership for the code.

This job is easier done with (2) two people but can be done just as easily with one.

4. Turn the steering wheel so that the top nut/bolt in part #2 is accessible with an open-end wrench and the other side accessible with a socket. Once positioned where you need it, lock the steering wheel by removing the key from the ignition and turning the wheel to lock it.

5. Remove the nut and bolt. The size required is 13mm for both the nut and the bolt. This may take a little effort due to being exposed to the elements.


6. Now check the position of the nut/bolt that connects #1 to the upper section of the steering column.

7. Unlock the position of the steering wheel inside the car and turn the wheel to the desired position to remove the nut/bolt at the top of #1. Lock the position of the steering wheel.


8. Remove the nut and bolt. The size required is 13mm for both the nut and the bolt. This may take a little effort due to being exposed to the elements but not as much as the lower nut/bolt.

Now for the more difficult part, removing the steering rack. Make sure you have put the bolts and nuts in a safe spot so they don’t become lost.

9. Turn the steering wheel so that the wheels are straight as well as the steering wheel being as straight as possible. Lock it in this position.

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*Note: The next few steps refer to the steering rack image.*

10. Remove bolt #2 and nut #3 from the rack. To do so, you need (2) ratchets with (2) 15mm sockets. One ratchet/socket will be used to hold #3 nut in place, and the other ratchet to unscrew #2 bolt from it. *These were difficult to remove on my car, so I used a 3/8 breaker bar with a 15mm socket to remove the bolt.*

11. Once the nuts are removed, the bolts may still be stuck in there. To remove them, you’ll need to “pry” them out somehow. The method I used was using a hammer like you remove a nail from a wall, and used the sub frame as my pivot point and was able to “claw” the bolts from the rack.


12. Now that the two bolts/nuts are free, you can now remove the rack from its position.

13. When I moved the rack, the assembly came right apart and I was able to remove the Lower Joint Assembly from the rack.


14. Unfortunately for me, the upper part of the assembly was rusted to the upper column and I was unable to remove the assembly from the car. (It was about 1am and no stores were open to go buy any products to “un-rust” the assembly. I put the car back together so I can attempt to finish today)

15. Remove the assembly from the car, and install the new one in its place, in the same position. I would recommend using some kind of anti-rusting agent where the threads of the column is just in case you have problems in the future and need to remove these parts again.

Now the tricky part. I know there is some kind of way to make sure the wheels are perfectly straight so it matches up to the steering wheel, but I’m not too sure what the procedure is.

16. Line the rack up with the new assembly. Do NOT bolt the rack in place. Check to see if the steering wheel lines up with the wheels. If not, remove the rack and realign to the correct position.

17. Once aligned, the rack can now be bolted back in place. You may need a mallet/hammer to knock the bolts back in completely.


18. Next, fasten the bolts and nuts into the lower assembly joint. Make sure all bolts are tight and anything that was moved to get to parts is moved back to the proper position.

19. Bolt the wheels to the car.

20. Remove the jack stands, and lower the car to the ground.

21. Reconnect the (-) negative cable to the battery. You will now have to reprogram any settings for time, audio functions, etc.


22. Take one last check over your work, and take the car for a test drive.

Hope this helps those of you looking for a DIY or waiting for someone else to publish their DIY. Ill be posting actual pics later on tonight or tomorrow. I also have this in pdf. if you need it.

Please add any valuable info pertaining to this DIY. Be safe and have a good day!

ducky328i
04-20-2007, 02:05 PM
excellent job tony!! very informative. ill assume its the same for all e36's. coulda used some more pics, but your descriptive instructions somewhat make up for that:thumbup:

Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 02:10 PM
excellent job tony!! very informative. ill assume its the same for all e36's. coulda used some more pics, but your descriptive instructions somewhat make up for that:thumbup:
I do what i can. Ill be puttin up more pics, it was kind of dark last night doing the job and my cam was out of batteries.

325iklu
04-20-2007, 02:40 PM
:clap


:menani

Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 02:45 PM
:clap


:menani

:buttrock thanks :menani

jijacob
04-20-2007, 04:45 PM
AWESOME! Now I can finally do this. I was hoping there wouldn't be a need to drop the rack, but it all works the same. Do you have an idea of how long it took you, not including the part where you stopped in the middle?

Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Yup, took me about an hour to figure it out on my own before i got stuck, reassembly took about 20 mins tops. The rack really isnt all that bad either.

jijacob
04-20-2007, 05:30 PM
Well hot damn. After that all I need is a complete suspension refresh! :(

Calypsocoupe96
04-20-2007, 05:36 PM
EXCELLENT!!!! Thanks!:handclap

Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 05:39 PM
Well hot damn. After that all I need is a complete suspension refresh! :(

Ha, im right there with you. My next setup is going to be coilovers. Cant decide if i want the bavauto kit for $699 and get z3 rear springs, or go for the PSS kit which is 1k IIRC.

lecchilo
04-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Blue I'm going to do this in about an hour... if you can put some pics up of the bolts mentioned above and everything else it would be very helpful... just do it within an hour hahah

great DIY nonetheless

Bluebimma
04-20-2007, 05:55 PM
Im still at work so i cant get a pic from underneath the car, but the bolts needed to be removed are mentioned in the write-up corresponding to the pictures. The bolt you need to remove from #2 is right at the top of #2 where #1 goes into the next part. The other bolt is much further up the column next to the brake booster...not hard to find as it is the only other bolt on the column.

uuc328
05-02-2007, 05:34 PM
is part number 2 from your 1st pic included in the lower link assembly 32311159866?

i saw another post where someone was trying to replace it too, 32311092949 i think.

seems like it would be a good time to do both if you are already in there.

lecchilo
05-02-2007, 05:48 PM
^^ Yea I already found it but haven't had the time to do it... it is necessary to drop the rack then just pull the stuff off and put new ones on.
I'll do it within a week or so hopefully.

Bluebimma
05-02-2007, 07:27 PM
is part number 2 from your 1st pic included in the lower link assembly 32311159866?

i saw another post where someone was trying to replace it too, 32311092949 i think.

seems like it would be a good time to do both if you are already in there.

No theyre two separate parts.

I finally was able to get the assembly out using a lot of PB Blaster and letting it sit on there for a few days. Then i took the upper part of the intake apart and sprayed the rusted part with PB blaster, white lithium, and wd-40. I then used a hammer to hit the assembly towards the steering wheel which broke it loose. I then used an oversized flat head screw driver and wedged it in between the joint and hammered away from the steering wheel. After about 5 minutes of hammering and hitting my own hand, the assembly came off. I then installed the new assembly and now have tight steering again.

lecchilo
05-02-2007, 08:41 PM
No theyre two separate parts.

I finally was able to get the assembly out using a lot of PB Blaster and letting it sit on there for a few days. Then i took the upper part of the intake apart and sprayed the rusted part with PB blaster, white lithium, and wd-40. I then used a hammer to hit the assembly towards the steering wheel which broke it loose. I then used an oversized flat head screw driver and wedged it in between the joint and hammered away from the steering wheel. After about 5 minutes of hammering and hitting my own hand, the assembly came off. I then installed the new assembly and now have tight steering again.

You're talking about the Lower joint assembly (Part #32311159866) right?
Did you snap any more pics... I'm curious to see how the top part looks.. where the big piece, #1, bolts up on the other side of the guibo in the middle...

Bluebimma
05-02-2007, 09:33 PM
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I actually didnt have my camera with me at the time to snap pictures.
LOWER JOINT ASSY (32311159866) attaches to the end of STEERING SPINDLE UPPER (32311159160) which is what is attached to the steering wheel. If you notice, in the first picture, #1, has a notch in it where the Lower joint assembly is supposed to be attached. The bolt that goes through the head of the Lower Joint Assembly rests inside of this notch when bolted up. The splines and the notch was rusted to hell on my car. I was able to get more leverage out of hitting it towards the Upper spindle which is what broke it free. Once getting the assembly off, i used a wire brush to clean the rust off the spindle's spines, then sprayed some white lithium on it to prevent it from seizing up and rusting again....not that i plan to do this job again.

Here are a few pics of what my old Joint Assembly looked like.

http://usera.imagecave.com/dude050/Assembly/DSCN0639.JPG
http://usera.imagecave.com/dude050/Assembly/DSCN0640.JPG
http://usera.imagecave.com/dude050/Assembly/DSCN0641.JPG
http://usera.imagecave.com/dude050/Assembly/DSCN0642.JPG
http://usera.imagecave.com/dude050/Assembly/jui.JPG

jijacob
05-02-2007, 11:42 PM
I'll take pics tomorrow when I am doing the lower joint assembly. See if I can't email them to bluebimma and have him put it into his diy. Bluebimma, I will PM you the pictures.

Bluebimma
05-02-2007, 11:49 PM
I'll take pics tomorrow when I am doing the lower joint assembly. See if I can't email them to bluebimma and have him put it into his diy. Bluebimma, I will PM you the pictures.

Cool. I have a few pics, but the qualty is horrible due to the cheap camera. THe pics above were taken with my moms camera.

jijacob
05-02-2007, 11:59 PM
Cool. I have a few pics, but the qualty is horrible due to the cheap camera. THe pics above were taken with my moms camera.

That isn't the part I am replacing... did you replace the rubber joint? This is what I'm doing:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/jijacob/P1200021.jpg

Bluebimma
05-03-2007, 12:09 AM
Nah mine was fine, but you pretty much have to do the same steps to get to it.

lecchilo
05-03-2007, 12:31 AM
jacob that's the thing I'm replacing... let me know how it goes and take pics of everything if you do it before me

jijacob
05-03-2007, 12:33 AM
jacob that's the thing I'm replacing... let me know how it goes and take pics of everything if you do it before me

Probably do it tomorrow now that I am back home from college and have access to a lift.

jijacob
05-04-2007, 05:36 PM
OK, so I just got done, and let me tell you, it is one hell of a job. It is a tight fit getting one of the rack bolts off, and it took me about 15 minutes to figure out exactly how to do it.

As additions to the above DIY:

1) There are two rack and pinion bolts. The passenger bolt (for left-hand drive cars) is easy, the other one is difficult. Before you even try either one make sure to spray the hell out of the bolts with something to loosen them up.

2) After removing the old connector, make sure to keep everything lined up. After I got done I realized that my steering wheel was no longer even close to being straight. Since I didn't want to bother with putting the car back on the lift and taking the rack back off I just pulled my steering wheel off and lined it up that way. Either way, it would have been much easier just to pull my key out (so the steering wheel locks) and make sure not to move the tires.

Other than that, it is pretty straight forward. I forgot my camera, so had to use my phone. Either way, you can still see what I did:



1) Get a beer out of the fridge.
2) Then, lift the car, and rotate the steering wheel so you can access one of the two bolts holding the rubber piece on:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/jijacob/DIY/05-04-07_1311.jpg

3) Then rotate the steering wheel to access the other bolt. You shouldn't need to remove either of these bolts, just loosen them up.

4) Next spray the two bolts on the rack with something like PB blaster.
5) Go get another beer. Give the penetrating spray some time to start working.
6) Align the steering wheel in the straight-ahead position. The remove the key and get the wheel to lock. I did not do this and it added 30 minutes to the end because I had to remove the steering wheel afterwards.
7) Remove the two bolts. Like I said, one was much easier than the other. You will need a breaker bar.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/jijacob/DIY/05-04-07_1312.jpg
(The bolts are at the top of this picture)
8) Slide the rack towards the front of the car, and remove the old universal joint (the rubber piece).
9) Transfer the bolts to the new joint, and get them snug. That way you don't have as much wrenching to do in that tight space on your car.
10) Make sure the wheels are still straight, and put the new universal joint in. Put the rack back into place, and tighten the universal joint back in.

All done! Other pictures at http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/jijacob/DIY/ but they were on my phone so the quality is not that great.

Bluebimma
05-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Woot! So it wasnt that bad of a job to do, right? I thought dropping the rack would be the hardest part, but its quite simple except the PITA bolts. Did it fix your problem by any chance?

jijacob
05-04-2007, 05:44 PM
Yeah it fixed it. I now have the tightest steering this side of the Mississippi.

Bluebimma
05-04-2007, 05:49 PM
Yeah it fixed it. I now have the tightest steering this side of the Mississippi.

Lol, sweet. Mine was definately the porblem and i have tight steering again....now onto the x-brace, control arms, ball joints, and coil overs.:buttrock

lecchilo
05-08-2007, 12:32 AM
I just replaced the middle joint that jacob did... very very easy job for those who are looking into doing it.

It's pretty much removing 4 bolts... the only problems you can encounter are the bolts being rusted and hard to remove... I completed the whole job in less than 1.5hrs, including lifting the car for 15 mins with a cheap jack haha

I didn't however notice a big difference and while I feel it's a little tighter, idk if it's just mental.

Thanks bimma and jacob for the DIY writeups.

Bluebimma
05-08-2007, 12:59 AM
I just replaced the middle joint that jacob did... very very easy job for those who are looking into doing it.

It's pretty much removing 4 bolts... the only problems you can encounter are the bolts being rusted and hard to remove... I completed the whole job in less than 1.5hrs, including lifting the car for 15 mins with a cheap jack haha

I didn't however notice a big difference and while I feel it's a little tighter, idk if it's just mental.

Thanks bimma and jacob for the DIY writeups.

No problem. So it didnt completely fix your problem? I wonder what it would be. :dunno

lecchilo
05-08-2007, 01:47 AM
No problem. So it didnt completely fix your problem? I wonder what it would be. :dunno

I'm thinking either the upper part you replaced or shocks... no clue

zeit00
05-09-2007, 01:19 PM
I also had this same problem, mine was terrible. But, I did not want to go through the same problem again down the road.. So I came up with this:

http://www.martin-performance.com/cars/1992%20325is/Steering/4-27-07%20003.jpg

Feels great!!

Bluebimma
05-09-2007, 07:56 PM
Is that a puck, or something else?

zeit00
05-09-2007, 09:22 PM
Is that a puck, or something else?

Official puck of the NHL..

97 cents.. It does not move at all. I saw where someone used a piece of metal.. But I wanted a little compliance.

Bluebimma
05-09-2007, 09:24 PM
Nifty!

CRYPTiC
05-09-2007, 09:42 PM
Good idea with the puck, but I've read that the rubber is supposed to help collapse the steering column in the event of a collision ... :dunno

zeit00
05-09-2007, 09:50 PM
Good idea with the puck, but I've read that the rubber is supposed to help collapse the steering column in the event of a collision ... :dunno

Yea I thought about that as well. If you really look at the rubber on the piece you might get 1/4 inch compression before the metal hit each other. The collapse that I see is with ribs that are on steering column itself. You can see them on the pictures posted from Realoem.com. The other problem that I have is that my steering wheel is adjustable. Which I heard does not collapse anyway in an accident. So I don't think this would matter too much. Also I think the impact of an accident would still rip this material to pieces, but I am not sure.

Bluebimma
05-09-2007, 09:53 PM
That rubber wouldnt help too much in an accident if youre getting hit hard enough to collapse the column. The joint i replaced is hollow, which makes it a collapsable piece in the column to help prevent the streering wheel from wounding the driver.

jijacob
05-09-2007, 11:00 PM
Yeah that rubber is suppose to break in the event of a crash. So the steering column doesnt shoot into your chest.

But whatever.

joon
05-17-2007, 12:24 PM
guys.. here's a question.. i have an early '91 euro RHD E36.. and i'm getting this slop in the steering which i attribute to the lower column

[based on the real OEM diagram] the thing is, my lower column looks like #3 single piece with 8 serrations instead of #1 + #2 like you guys have.. can i substitute my #3 for the 2-piece lower column joint assembly like you guys have? are they interchangable? or am i better off just ordering the #3 (which looks 1-piece), i'm thinking that with the 2-piece lower column, i can just replace #2 instead of the whole #3 if the flex joint fails again

thanks for any help!

Bluebimma
05-17-2007, 12:31 PM
Im not too sure if they are interchangeable, thats something youd either have to try out for yourself, or check with the dealership or bmw specialist shop. If theyre the same length and have the same fittings, then i dont see how it wouldnt work. Have you priced how much it is for #3 compared to #1+#2? I think it would be easier to have one assembly instead of two seeing as how there are two parts can go bad instead of just one.

joon
05-17-2007, 12:42 PM
yeah i guess there's only one way to find out... this is a great article btw thanks to all who've contributed

in any case, if you key in my serial number 'FA01404' onto realoem.com, and look under 'steering column - lower joint assembly', you'll see that my early euro spec E36 was supposed to come with #1, which is a 1-piece lower joint assembly with no serrations at all.. it looks nothing like the USDM part which i'm seeing on my car.. so i'm pretty confused haha.. maybe the previous owner swapped it with a US-part.. wish i could post a pic but my postcount is too low.. any ideas?

i'm just concerned about interchangability, if they're interchangeable, i'll just order the cheapest combination haha

Bluebimma
05-17-2007, 01:02 PM
If i were you, i would see if theyre interchangeable first, price them out, then go from there. It seems that either assembly would work, but im not 100% sure.

joon
05-17-2007, 01:29 PM
If i were you, i would see if theyre interchangeable first, price them out, then go from there. It seems that either assembly would work, but im not 100% sure.
good idea.. i'm gona post up some pics of my findings.. hopefully i'll have permission to do that by then

cw12
06-01-2008, 09:24 AM
Yeah that rubber is suppose to break in the event of a crash. So the steering column doesnt shoot into your chest.

But whatever.

I think it's just a vibration damper. There's a telescopic centre locating rod (1/2" solid metal pin) that goes through the rubber bush from the base joint and sits inside steering column locating the two parts together so apart from a few mm compression of the rubber the two parts won't seperate or bend much. The thin/ribber hollow part of the column, along with two uni-joints are the deformable parts IMO.