Hey gang,

I know we have a few car builds on the pages of this forum, but I wanted to share one more.

Charity Motorsports Group (CMG) commissioned evosport late last year to build an e46 M3 HP car for the Lance Armstrong Foundation to run in BMW Club Racing. The goal was to raise awareness for the cause and have a great time doing it. We are very proud to be part of this project.

I wanted to share some pics of the car fresh from paint.

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7795.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7794.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7796.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7798.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7800.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23888/IMG_7807.JPG (http://www.evosport.com)

Now we have 24 hours to get it COMPLETE for its debut at Laguna! Nothing like pressure! :evil2

Thanks
brad

Very sweet....you guys are crazy busy :)


BTW - procrastinate much??? They commissioned you last year :lol

from those pics to racing in 24hrs? loco.

Very cool idea though, can't wait to see it finished.

Nice.

I assume the Rotora package will be used, what about suspension?

Wow o Wow.

This is going to he a hard core 24 hours for ya.

Brad,

Awesome project. I meet Lance in 1996 while he was at the IU. Med center here in Indianapolis. He was in the room next to my Dad who was being treated for cancer. They had the same Dr. He is Dr. Einhorn. He is one of the best in the world. I talked with Lance many times while he was being treated. A really nice guy. At the time not many people really knew who he was. Unfortunetly my Dad wasn't as fortunate as Lance and didn't beat his cancer, though he gave it a run for it's money. I have donated money to the Livestrong Foundation ever since it was started. I have worn the same bracelet since 2002. Never been off my wrist. It reminds me of Lance, but most of all my Dad. Best of luck with your project, look forward to seeing it kick some but.

Livestong, Scott B.

That yellow paint lends itself to making it a "signature" car, where everyone who donates and knows the car can sign it and show their support. Its a great way to get everyone together and be part of the car for its lifespan.

Also, I see its running toyo Ra-1's, looks like it should get some fantastic exposure!

Blurb: http://www.justracing.com/features/2007_charity_motorsports_program

"Toyo Tires Sponsors CMG Race Team to Support The Lance Armstrong Foundation

Cypress, CA – (April 2, 2007) Toyo Tire (USA) Corporation is the official tire technology partner of Charity Motorsports Group, Inc. (CMG) for the 2007 BMW Car Club of America (CCA) road racing season. As a partner, Toyo will provide their high performance Proxes RA1™ D.O.T.-legal competition tire for CMG’s e46 BMW M3 race car.

CMG is campaigning the BMW e46 M3 in BMW CCA competition for 2007. The goal of this campaign is to use motor sports as a “spring-board” to raise awareness and money for cancer research, specifically the efforts of The Lance Armstrong Foundation (The LAF). CMG is in its first year of partnership with The LAF and has a goal of raising $100,000 dollars for the foundation to assist in research and medical care for those affected by cancer.

“Throughout my racing career I have always been amazed at the amount of money that companies and fans will pour into supporting a particular driver/team/commercial product. At the same time I have always wondered why none of these entities use this same vehicle to help those in need. This is why I created CMG. Partnering with The LAF for this seemed only natural as many have been touched and inspired in Lance’s story and automatically think of him when the word cancer survivor in mentioned and we all know how successful The LAF has been in helping other cancer patients.

We are excited to have Toyo as a premier partner for 2007! Toyo is a recognized leader in tire technology and we used their RA1 on our e36 M3 last year with great success. Obviously we cannot be more pleased to have Toyo on board for 2007. Organizations like Toyo recognize what we are trying to accomplish at CMG and have stepped up to do their part. We truly appreciate their help.” – Aaron Nichols, Founder of CMG, Inc.

“We are happy to support Charity Motorsports Group and their goal of raising funds and awareness for a cause as worthy as The Lance Armstrong Foundation,” said Steve Hutchinson, senior director of sales and marketing for Toyo. “We wish Aaron Nichols much success this year in competition.”

CMG plans to mainly race in the BMW CCA’s Golden Gate Chapter events for 2007 with some possible appearances at California enduros that are yet to be determined and the 25 hours of Thunderhill. A full race schedule for CMG can be found here - http://www.charitymotorsports.org/racing.htm."

Very sweet....you guys are crazy busy :)


BTW - procrastinate much??? They commissioned you last year :lol
Yes - too busy. :( No procrastination, it took a long time for CMG to get all the legal crap out of the way (the bureaucracy is insane - one reason why i do not practice law with my JD). Once we got the GO - it was cage, paint and that process ended today! :eek:

from those pics to racing in 24hrs? loco.

Very cool idea though, can't wait to see it finished.
Yes - loco we certainly are. What can I say, my guys are amazing!

Nice.

I assume the Rotora package will be used, what about suspension?
Of course - being installed as I type!

Wow o Wow.

This is going to he a hard core 24 hours for ya.
Yep - fun though! Good team makes it rewarding!

Brad,

Awesome project. I meet Lance in 1996 while he was at the IU. Med center here in Indianapolis. He was in the room next to my Dad who was being treated for cancer. They had the same Dr. He is Dr. Einhorn. He is one of the best in the world. I talked with Lance many times while he was being treated. A really nice guy. At the time not many people really knew who he was. Unfortunetly my Dad wasn't as fortunate as Lance and didn't beat his cancer, though he gave it a run for it's money. I have donated money to the Livestrong Foundation ever since it was started. I have worn the same bracelet since 2002. Never been off my wrist. It reminds me of Lance, but most of all my Dad. Best of luck with your project, look forward to seeing it kick some but.

Livestong, Scott B.
That is a very touching story. Sorry about your dad, but thanks for sharing. I have lost 2 grandparents to cancer and have an in-law fighting now. My partners also have been impacted with direct family. We are all really touched to have been asked to be a part of this!

Thanks!
Brad

Awesome job guys!! Put my car in the trailer and be done with it!! You have CMG Car, the E90 to get finished. I know the E36 is ready, so that's mine and the E36 (2 down, 2 to go)!!!

Beautiful as always Brad. You guys have the E46 cars down to a science now don't you?

Brad,
I am touched on many levels. As an avid road cyclist / amateur racer I have followed the LA story through all of his TDF wins and beyond. My mother is currently fighting ovarian cancer so it is very dear to me especially now. When the car is completed I am willing to help out anyway that I can.

Livestrong

Hi all...this is Aaron, founder and driver for the #888 CMG/Lance Armstrong M3. I am seriously touched and choked up over the feedback and support here! Steve J's coment really encapulates part of why I created CMG. We want people at the track to think of The LAF and all the people they help, their political fight for cancer funding, and all that is LAF each and every time they see our car raced or displayed. Hopefully that will spur folks to go to our site, read about our goals, and donate to help us reach those goals and make a difference! This is close to my heart and like many have also stated here, cancer has affected me and my friends and family. It is an epidemic we simply cannot ignore.

All of our sponsors have stepped up BIG and I cannot thank them enough but most of all...Brad and the guys at Evosport!! I am amazed at the work they have done and it stirs me inside to know they are working so hard to help me realize a dream. Thanks Brad! I cannot wait to see you guys this weekend...rain :( or shine. It is going to be a great start to a super race season.

For anyone that has any suggestions or ideas on how to help spread the word of CMG or just to offer encouragement...please feel free to contact me. i'd love to hear from you.

LIVESTRONG!

Aaron Nichols
anichols@charitymotorsports.com

Our sponsors - Evosport, Rotora, Sparco, Vorsteiner, Powerchip, Toyo Tires!

PS - scottbm3, I have worn the same LIVESTRONG bracelet now for 4+ years as well. It never comes off my wrist except for when my 10 month old daughter wants to play with it :)

bump for a great cause

Awesome job guys!! Put my car in the trailer and be done with it!! You have CMG Car, the E90 to get finished. I know the E36 is ready, so that's mine and the E36 (2 down, 2 to go)!!!
LOL - 5 cars, not 4. Three new and two from last season!


Holder CM 2.1L Turbo e46 - DONE (Laguna exhaust took all damn day!)
Lagoni CM 3.2L e46 - DONE (just need to add 2 camlocks)
Sievwright/Atik CM 325 e90 - DONE
Otoupalik IP e36 M3 - DONE
Nichols HP e46 - LOTS TO DO!!!!!!!


Some vinyl to add and we are set. Yea right - wish it was that easy! Tonight will be an all-nighter!

Beautiful as always Brad. You guys have the E46 cars down to a science now don't you?
Just about. We set out to be the leader in that chassis and until the new M3 is out - we are always developing this chassis!

Brad,
I am touched on many levels. As an avid road cyclist / amateur racer I have followed the LA story through all of his TDF wins and beyond. My mother is currently fighting ovarian cancer so it is very dear to me especially now. When the car is completed I am willing to help out anyway that I can.

Livestrong
THANKS!!!!!!!

bump for a great cause
THANKS!!!!!!!

Thanks
Brad

For anyone that has any suggestions or ideas on how to help spread the word of CMG or just to offer encouragement...please feel free to contact me. i'd love to hear from you.

LIVESTRONG!

Aaron Nichols
anichols@charitymotorsports.com


Aaron,

Are either of your raffles still going on? I saw the car was listed for sale, so I guess it isn't going still. What about the brakes? That seems like a great idea to me since I'd think a lot of people would be interested in a set of brembo brakes.

Awesome cause. Best of luck with it, gents.

Aaron,

Are either of your raffles still going on? I saw the car was listed for sale, so I guess it isn't going still. What about the brakes? That seems like a great idea to me since I'd think a lot of people would be interested in a set of brembo brakes.Yes the Brembo raffle is still active. We are getting close to the required amount of entries so if you know anyone that wants in....have them go here - http://www.charitymotorsports.org/RaffleBrakes.htm.

The race car raffle did not get many entries so I just decided to put the car up for sale. If anyone is interested, a portion of this will go to LAF as well, although not as much as I had planned had we been able to raffle it :(

Cheers,
Aaron

Hell, if anybody can do it, the EvoSport guys can.

Good luck guys and see you this weekend!

Jim

Yes the Brembo raffle is still active.


Great cause, so I just donated, but shouldn't it be a set of Rotoras since they're a sponsor? :stickoutt :D Either way, keep up the efforts!

Hope to see the car out at Laguna Seca this weekend.

I don't see o'fest on your race schedule.

You should sneak that car on with the other Evosport cars.

Also donated/joined the raffle. I've got a Livestrong band that I wear in honor of a friend that survived and in memory of an aunt that didn't.

Great cause, so I just donated, but shouldn't it be a set of Rotoras since they're a sponsor? :stickoutt :D Either way, keep up the efforts!

Hope to see the car out at Laguna Seca this weekend.I do want to offer a Rotora kit but began this event w/ the Brembo before we partnered with Rotora. I think I will email all those that hav entered thus far to see if they mind me switching this to a Rotora kit.


Also donated/joined the raffle. I've got a Livestrong band that I wear in honor of a friend that survived and in memory of an aunt that didn't.Thanks for the support guys!!

I don't see o'fest on your race schedule.

You should sneak that car on with the other Evosport cars.O'fest??? Would love to go. Brad????

I think I will email all those that hav entered thus far to see if they mind me switching this to a Rotora kit.

Do it. :)

When I win, I'd rather have something a bit smaller than that giant Brembo kit.

Great Foundation.....just PP'd my 3 entries.

Great cause....just PP'd my entry.

-N

Great Foundation.....just PP'd my 3 entries.

Great cause....just PP'd my entry.

-NThanks! :buttrock

OK folks....here are some pics of the car in action today!! Car turned out amazing!! Thanks to the Evosport guys who worked their butts off to get her ready for this weekend :bow:
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Brake dust much?????
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Super sweet.. will you be racing at Thunderhill in October?

Car looked beautiful out there today! :)

Car looked beautiful out there today! :)

Great looking e46 racecar! Paint scheme is awesome!

The car looks amazing!!!!! :eek:

I am sure that Lance will be impressed when he sees it. Best of luck.

Super sweet.. will you be racing at Thunderhill in October?Yup! Here is our current schedule - http://www.charitymotorsports.org/racing.htm

Car looked beautiful out there today! :)

Great looking e46 racecar! Love that bumper/splitter/wide fender CMbination with the paint scheme!

The car looks amazing!!!!! :eek:

I am sure that Lance will be impressed when he sees it. Best of luck.Thanks all!! I am still in awe of the job Evosport did. Someone pinch me :)

Thats a good looking car. I really like the enkei wheels.

Thats a good looking car. I really like the enkei wheels.

Indeed it is a sweet looking car, really like the graphics package. But I don't see any stickers on it from the sponsors, other than Tire Rack. I know the current ones are kinda ugly are you guys making better looking versions of them to run on the car?

Carlos.

Car looked beautiful out there today! :)

Looked AND smelled great. :lol You could still smell the fresh paint!

Great looking e46 racecar! Love that bumper/splitter/wide fender CMbination with the paint scheme!

totally, nice CM car.

car looks great

Indeed it is a sweet looking car, really like the graphics package. But I don't see any stickers on it from the sponsors, other than Tire Rack. I know the current ones are kinda ugly are you guys making better looking versions of them to run on the car?

Carlos.??? Sponsor logos look pretty apparent to me on the side of the car....under the LAF logo. The only thing I want to maybe change is the Rotora one.....wish it stuck out a little better.

totally, nice CM car.Its an HP car...:)

Great looking e46 racecar! Love that bumper/splitter/wide fender CMbination with the paint scheme!
Excuse me while I speak outloud, I'm trying to figure out what exactly is not legal.

Stock rules:
"Chassis/body, with the exception of spoilers, must be the same material
as supplied by the factory."

"Aftermarket front one-piece bumper/air dam units are allowed provided
the original crash bar is maintained OR the assembly is otherwise
reinforced to equal strength as the original assembly."

"Fender and wheel openings shall remain unmodified except that rolling
under, flattening, or grinding any interior lip on a wheel opening is
allowed for tire clearance purposes. Fender flaring is prohibited."

Prepared rules:
"Splitters are free providing they do not exceed maximum body width, do
not extend rearwards past the front axle centerline, do not extend more
than 3” past the farthest part of the front spoiler or bumper, and follow
the general outline of the spoiler. Installed devices must be consistent
with the spirit of the original design of the car such as those presented
by aftermarket sources. Dive plates are allowed."

Awesome...I though Armstrong was a Subie sponsored guy

I just sent in two entries via paypal.

Chris

100% legal. Stock fenders, bumper is within specs. 100% sick looking!

I would ditch the ltw wing and put a more efficient setup on there though, that thing is a drag monster!

I just realized those are the Gunmetal/Grey Enkei's, awesome!

??? Sponsor logos look pretty apparent to me on the side of the car....under the LAF logo. The only thing I want to maybe change is the Rotora one.....wish it stuck out a little better.

What I meant was the BMW CCA club racing sponsors that are required to be displayed. You were missing all except Tire Rack and the BMW CCA CR one. If they were never mailed out to you and none were available at the event then it is understandable why you don't have hardly any on the car but I usually ding people for that at the event tech inspection. It's one of the check boxes on the form. No biggie (first event) but make sure and get them on there before next.

Carlos.

Um...I see Tirerack and clubracing stickers on the car, are you sure you looked at the above pictures?

There are a lot of other sponsors, and thus, required decals, for BMW CCA CR.

You were missing all except Tire Rack and the BMW CCA CR one.

Steve - Read it again.

You were missing all except Tire Rack and the BMW CCA CR one.
He said specifically CR and Tirerack, but I see CR and tirerack, thats what I was referring to.
But you have SEEN his post before, right? :eek: :)

Haha DOH, thats whats I get for trying to pay attention to a new Simpsons and make a post.

Sorry about that guys. I was outside with Fsae team testing all weekend, sunburn and burnt out...not thinking straight.

I believe the car was all vinyl'ed up the day of, so I'm sure for the next event it'll have all the proper decals.

I hope they leave room for people to sign, I think that'd be a great idea.

Those are some fantastic pics...

good luck with the foundation...it's a great to get some attention and spread the word.

Awesome race car! Evosport did a fabulous job and it's all for a great cause!

I don't know what that bumper is made out of but it is supposed to be the same material as the stock bumper correct?

Great looking e46 racecar! Love that bumper/splitter/wide fender CMbination with the paint scheme!
EDITED - The discussion of legality of the bumper is better addressed at this LINK (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=735653)

The car looks amazing!!!!! :eek:

I am sure that Lance will be impressed when he sees it. Best of luck.
Thanks! The car did come out even nicer then we thought it would - it is one of those projects that just "worked."

Thats a good looking car. I really like the enkei wheels.
Thanks - they are about the best wheel out there that I can find for anywhere near the price. I cannot even find anything better at twice the price. $295/per for a 18x10 20lb wheel with et25 and designed FOR racing and track abuse!

Indeed it is a sweet looking car, really like the graphics package. But I don't see any stickers on it from the sponsors, other than Tire Rack. I know the current ones are kinda ugly are you guys making better looking versions of them to run on the car?
Good catch, and let me explain. The car was finished minutes before we left for Laguna. We did not have any sponsor stickers with us. We were provided some at the track, most of which went to other cars who grabbed them from the pile first and there were not enough to go around. We did try to put 2 on, but it was very cold and wet, and they simply would not stick. We will certainly have them on for the next event (albeit I am having them all die-cut so we can make them look decent). It is a shame that the CR sponsors want our cars to look like NASCAR with big ugly boxy stickers. You would think that a sponsor would want to make racers happy, not upset and frustrate the paddock with huge stickers that look anything but nice on a car. It incentivizes us to put them on the car in places that are not really visible. I can tell you the whispers in the paddock were pretty uniform about this issue. I hope that some sponsors are listening. I know that Motorsport Coverage IS more then happy to provide the .eps file for us to make a sticker that will look good on a car other then white.

Looked AND smelled great. :lol You could still smell the fresh paint!
LOL - thanks. Good to see you. Now if you had only brought that AirMass that we needed. :evil2

Excuse me while I speak outloud, I'm trying to figure out what exactly is not legal.

Stock rules:
"Chassis/body, with the exception of spoilers, must be the same material
as supplied by the factory."

"Aftermarket front one-piece bumper/air dam units are allowed provided
the original crash bar is maintained OR the assembly is otherwise
reinforced to equal strength as the original assembly."

"Fender and wheel openings shall remain unmodified except that rolling
under, flattening, or grinding any interior lip on a wheel opening is
allowed for tire clearance purposes. Fender flaring is prohibited."

Prepared rules:
"Splitters are free providing they do not exceed maximum body width, do
not extend rearwards past the front axle centerline, do not extend more
than 3” past the farthest part of the front spoiler or bumper, and follow
the general outline of the spoiler. Installed devices must be consistent
with the spirit of the original design of the car such as those presented
by aftermarket sources. Dive plates are allowed."
exactly. People are insane, really. Some people just get on the internet and make comments without support, fact or thought really - I think that they like to hear themselves type. ;)

100% legal. Stock fenders, bumper is within specs. 100% sick looking!

I would ditch the ltw wing and put a more efficient setup on there though, that thing is a drag monster!

I just realized those are the Gunmetal/Grey Enkei's, awesome!
Correct. Stock fenders. Bumper 100% within the rules, as verified with a rules committee member prior to the race and with 2 at the race. Nothing in the rules that makes it illegal, other then Akard and Sean (who are not on the rules committee, BTW).

EDITED - Here are some questions and answers pertaining to the question of the legality of the front end:
Also not yet having seen BMW's new wider than most front bumper design, I missed that one too with my thinking that the aftermarket pieces were actually supposed to replicate the oem parts available on some model car in that series to be permitted in prepared.
The entire top of this bumper is molded from an OEM BMW M3 bumper with the modification of eliminating the fog lights and brake ducts and adding a splitter.

I'M sorry that I also seem to have missed the interpretation that so long as the splitter is not more than 3" forward of a non-stock bumper it would be ok vs the limitations based on OEM dimensions. :rolleyes
Don't need to miss it, as this is only 2.25" forward of a stock bumper. Again, nice try, but facts speak louder then internet assumption.

I don't know what that bumper is made out of but it is supposed to be the same material as the stock bumper correct?
Nope, not as per the rules. This is specifically addressed and started with the rules allowing one piece fiberglass Evo2 e30 front bumpers on JS cars. The same bumper is used on most JP cars. What is good for a JS or a JP car is certainly good for a HS or HP car, no? Is the rule for e30 M3's only? I don't believe that was the intent.

Thanks to those who are supporting a great cause and have nice things to say. To the others - this car is built for charity - to the letter of the rules. If you have problems with it - PROTEST IT. Otherwise - keep the negativity to yourself as you are only hurting a VERY GOOD AND NOBLE effort that Aaron Nichols is attempting.

Thanks
Brad

What a great car for a great cause!

Nope, not as per the rules. This is specifically addressed and started with the rules allowing one piece fiberglass Evo2 e30 front bumpers on JS cars. What is good for a JS car is certainly good for a HS or HP car, no?
Hmm, I'm trying to figure out where it states that and I can't find it. Could you please reference that? I'm not trying to call you out or anything or make you/LAF look mad, I ask because I'll be building a Prepared E46 shortly.

I just sent in two entries via paypal.

ChrisWoo!! Thanks!

100% legal. Stock fenders, bumper is within specs. 100% sick looking!

I would ditch the ltw wing and put a more efficient setup on there though, that thing is a drag monster!

I just realized those are the Gunmetal/Grey Enkei's, awesome!Agree.....my slow ass needs all the help it can get :) I am pretty sure that we will be outfitting it with a proper wing soon.

The wheels are silver, BTW....they just have tons of brake dust on them ...lol. We are actually going to powercoat them black with a yellow pin stripe :)

The wheels are silver, BTW....they just have tons of brake dust on them ...lol. We are actually going to powercoat them black with a yellow pin stripe :)

Haha, oh man, clean them shiz up! Damn, I really thought they were the gunmetal color...but the yelow stripe will be badass.

One of my pops racecars has red wheels with yellow stripe...don't ask (Mcdonald theme'd colors lol).

That's hot.

Please tell me what makes it a CM car. You have made an authoritative statement here as did Akard. I know that you have not seen the car, so seen detailed images or descriptions. So, if you want to salvage some credibility, please explain yourself. FYI - my biggest pet-peave is people who act like they know everything on a forum and have no facts or support - so PLEASE speak up, I am anxiously awaiting your reply!

FYI, 2 of the 4 members of the rules committee were at Laguna this weekend and both had NO issues with the car or bumper. So I assume that you are far more educated on the rules and this car to make the statement that you did, so again - reply away, PLEASE! :nono


I'm so sorry holy than thou mr. brad. Give me a break. I madea comment that I didn't think the bumper was prepared legal, there for it would go to CM.

Like you said the rule was to allow the e30 m3 to use the one piece bumper. I don't think its to allow a prepared car to take advantage of the ruling. Who wants to submit the clarification?

Since you so brilliantly pointed out, i'm not on the rules committee. So why are you so worried about my comments? Relax Brad....

I'm so sorry holy than thou mr. brad. Give me a break. I madea comment that I didn't think the bumper was prepared legal, there for it would go to CM.

Like you said the rule was to allow the e30 m3 to use the one piece bumper. I don't think its to allow a prepared car to take advantage of the ruling. Who wants to submit the clarification?

Since you so brilliantly pointed out, i'm not on the rules committee. So why are you so worried about my comments? Relax Brad....

So you can just blurt out random comments of no substance at your leisure with no proof? Oh wait you saw a pic on the internet. The tech stewards at the track saw the bumper in person and had no issues with it. It was also randomnly impounded with no said issues. The thread was about Aaron and what he is doing, not whether the bumper is legal. At least start another thread about it.

Dale

So you can just blurt out random comments of no substance at your leisure with no proof? Oh wait you saw a pic on the internet. The tech stewards at the track saw the bumper in person and had no issues with it. It was also randomnly impounded with no said issues. The thread was about Aaron and what he is doing, not whether the bumper is legal. At least start another thread about it.

Dale

you are right Dale, i apologize.

you are right Dale, i apologize.
No worries. I know you are a good guy. Just hits home a little more. This car means alot to us because we are actually doing something for someone else. Racing is usually about ourselves and how fast we go. We are very proud of this car. It is nice to help people on the way to also building a competitive race car

Dale

awesome. i love the bumper. It would suck to have to change it. Great looking car.

Pretty car. As pretty in person as in the photos. I saw this car on Thursday last week and laughed out loud at Brad when he told me it was going racing at Laguna. He got the last laugh.

LOL - 5 cars, not 4. Three new and two from last season!


Holder CM 2.1L Turbo e46 - DONE (Laguna exhaust took all damn day!)
Lagoni CM 3.2L e46 - DONE (just need to add 2 camlocks)
Sievwright/Atik CM 325 e90 - DONE
Otoupalik IP e36 M3 - DONE
Nichols HP e46 - LOTS TO DO!!!!!!!


Some vinyl to add and we are set. Yea right - wish it was that easy! Tonight will be an all-nighter!


Just about. We set out to be the leader in that chassis and until the new M3 is out - we are always developing this chassis!


THANKS!!!!!!!


THANKS!!!!!!!

Thanks
Brad

On top of that, they managed to get my car in and out for the race!

No worries. I know you are a good guy. Just hits home a little more. This car means alot to us because we are actually doing something for someone else. Racing is usually about ourselves and how fast we go. We are very proud of this car. It is nice to help people on the way to also building a competitive race car

Dale:embarrasm Thanks man...:)

:embarrasm Thanks man...:)
No problem, it was fun having you chase me in your old car. Thanks for letting me drive it. Nice pass in Turn 5 by the way. I will look into the strut for you.

Dale

No problem, it was fun having you chase me in your old car. Thanks for letting me drive it. Nice pass in Turn 5 by the way. I will look into the strut for you.

DaleScrew the strut....steal me a diff and decent SSK ;)

Screw the strut....steal me a diff and decent SSK ;)

I will talk to Diffs online for you def need a Autosolutions

Yellow M3 #888? Gee that's super original....

I think its ironic that a car sponcered by a guy (Lance Armstong) acussed of dooping is being accussed of cheating . Just an interesting coincidence. I am a Lance fan and would like to believe that He along with other US cyclists like Tyler Hamilton , Floyd , etc are clean riders. I am justing pionting out the irony of the lance car and "bumper gate"
PS car looks great! good luck

What a great car for a great cause!
Thanks! BTW, the MRoadster and X5 stuff I just got from you guys is GREAT!

Hmm, I'm trying to figure out where it states that and I can't find it. Could you please reference that? I'm not trying to call you out or anything or make you/LAF look mad, I ask because I'll be building a Prepared E46 shortly.
Well I think that you hit it perfect in your earlier post stating the rules:

Stock rules:
"Chassis/body, with the exception of spoilers, must be the same material
as supplied by the factory."
which is then modified by:

"Aftermarket front one-piece bumper/air dam units are allowed provided the original crash bar is maintained OR the assembly is otherwise reinforced to equal strength as the original assembly."
Which allows ALL classes (stock and above) to use a "one-piece bumper/air dam" as long as the qualification is met. This is not specific to the e30 M3 JS car even though that was the genesis.

That is then further expanded for Prep with:
Prepared rules:
"Splitters are free providing they do not exceed maximum body width, do not extend rearwards past the front axle centerline, do not extend more than 3” past the farthest part of the front spoiler or bumper, and follow the general outline of the spoiler. Installed devices must be consistent
with the spirit of the original design of the car such as those presented by aftermarket sources. Dive plates are allowed."[/QUOTE]
So lets tackle these aspects one-by-one.

1. "do not exceed maximum body width" - the e46 is 1 781 millimeter = 70.118 110 236 inch (SEE LINK (http://www.internetautoguide.com/car-specifications/09-int/2003/bmw/m3/index.html)). This bumper does not exceed that measurement, meeting this qualification.

2. "do not extend rearwards past the front axle centerline" - it ends at the steering rack, meeting this qualification.

3. "do not extend more than 3” past the farthest part of the front spoiler or bumper" - the bumper to splitter measurement is just over 2 inches, thereby meeting this qualification.

4. "Installed devices must be consistent with the spirit of the original design of the car such as those presented by aftermarket sources" - This is a BMW OE style bumper (similar to the CSL style, except both fog-light / brake ducts openings are closed, not just one side. The bottom splitter element is similar and consistent with what BMW Motorsport and Schnitzer (and others, but those are BMW direct connections) have used on the e36 and e46 cars in Europe. So take a stock style bumper and add a splitter, that is consistent with the spirit of the original design, thereby meeting this qualification.

5. "Dive plates are allowed" - we simply integrated them into the bumper, thereby meeting this qualification.

Before commissioning Vorsteiner to build this part for us to this spec, we utilized input from a member of the rules committee to guarantee compliance, and as 2 of the 4 saw it and had no issue with it at Laguna Seca, I am confident that we have achieved all the goals and made it class legal for PREP and MOD.

I'm so sorry holy than thou mr. brad. Give me a break. I madea comment that I didn't think the bumper was prepared legal, there for it would go to CM.

Like you said the rule was to allow the e30 m3 to use the one piece bumper. I don't think its to allow a prepared car to take advantage of the ruling. Who wants to submit the clarification?

Since you so brilliantly pointed out, i'm not on the rules committee. So why are you so worried about my comments? Relax Brad....
Actually what you said was it was a CM car. You did not say anything about your opinion or give any qualification. But you have already apologized, so I accept that and have no problems - thanks.

As per the rules, what is allowed in stock is allowed in prep, with even more liberal qualifications. See above.

I am not "worried" about your comments, but you need to realize that as a "authority" (being a vendor holds you to a higher level of responsibility on these forums) lurkers and newbies will see your post and then simply take that as gospel, when in fact it is just an opinion (and one that I believe has been proven to be incorrect). With these forums, we as the "industry" (that includes you) have a big responsibility to post as accurately as we can. If you have an opinion - say "In my opinion..."

Agian, I appreciate your replies to Dale, so no worries.

If you want to discuss this issue further, we should start a unique thread on that topic, and we can further the discussion. Here it is taking away from the good that Aaron, LAF and evosport are attempting to do.

awesome. i love the bumper. It would suck to have to change it. Great looking car.
Thanks!

Pretty car. As pretty in person as in the photos. I saw this car on Thursday last week and laughed out loud at Brad when he told me it was going racing at Laguna. He got the last laugh.
LOL - yea, Holder was about to bet me some major bucks, should have taken him up on it! LOL Now if I can just get my car done! :D

You looked great out there BTW - start a thread with your car, people would love it.

Thanks
Brad

Great looking car and great cause! :thumbup:

Great cause and that cars amazing.

At first, I thought the fenders had been cut to modify the wheel opening so larger wheels can turn without hitting the stock sheet metal, but I've been assured that they are 100% stock without any modification whatsoever, so I would like to publicly apologize to Brad and all the crew at Evosport for my mistaken assumption based on what I saw in the photographs of the awesome car. I've edited all of my previous comments in this thread to remove anything/everything that is less than the celebration of this awesome machine deserves. Great car! Sorry Brad. The paint scheme fooled me by looking so good. You guys are sure putting some incredible machines on the track this year. Can't wait to see them in-person if I can keep them in sight long enough! ;)

Brad and Mike -

Don't bring me into this argument as "approving" or "declaring" anything legal or illegal. I don't do that - officially or unofficially. We all class our cars according to our beliefs as to where they fall within the rules. If someone disagrees, then there is a protest process that should be followed.

Also, there is a clarification process that is well defined, and working well - let's see where that process leads us regarding changing a prepared class bumper. I have read the rule book in this regard and have an opinion, but I am but one of a 4 member committee and I have commitment to my fellow CRAC reps that they will and do have a voice in how I as the rules committee rep will ultimately vote. Mike, I hope you feel this process has worked appropriately.

Mike, please don't accuse me of cronyism again. It has a very negative connotation in my opinion and I resent it.

Aaron - beautiful car. Great weekend racing with you! I am proud of you for committing your racing to a higher cause.

Jon, you've been great to work with. Nothing but respect for how you've handled your position as CRAC's representative to the Rules Committee by including all of the members of the CRAC as we've discussed the various issues. I applaud your willingness to step-up and help BMW CCA Club Racing as your region's go-to guy. Thank you for clarifying the issue from the recent race. I appreciate the way you came forward with the explanation to clear-up any misconception of what might or might not have happened. Thank you.:):):)

Yellow M3 #888? Gee that's super original....I've never seen this car in my life......sorry I wasn't the first yellow/888 car in the world. I guess that makes my car lame :rolleyes

I think its ironic that a car sponcered by a guy (Lance Armstong) acussed of dooping is being accussed of cheating . Just an interesting coincidence. I am a Lance fan and would like to believe that He along with other US cyclists like Tyler Hamilton , Floyd , etc are clean riders. I am justing pionting out the irony of the lance car and "bumper gate"
PS car looks great! good luckFor the record, CMG is about fighting CANCER...nothing less, nothing more. The LAF is the most successful organization for educating and funding cancer reserach...hands down. We partnered with them b/c only they have the reach and resources to do what we could not possibly do on our own. Lance started this organization because he was able to beat a disease that had every medical expert of the time telling him he was a dean man. He took what he learned from this battle and reached out to help others win this same battle. He has selflessly helped tens of thousands of people have hope when others had given up on them. After that he can shoot crack directly into his brain and go out and win twelve more Tours for all I care.

Everyone who knows anything about the Tour and cylcing knows that the French hate it when someone from the US even contends in the Tour, much less win the thing and will stop at nothing to taint those successes. That is all I will say about this subject. But I do see the irony in where this thread has gone as you pointed out. I guess it is a little humerous.

Again.....we are here to help the fight against cancer, make friends, and have some fun racing.....not to legitimize Lance's Tour wins or take a side on any controversies there of.

Also, Lance and The LAF do not sponsor me in anyway. We are simply a partner who is helping spread the cause and raise moeny for their efforts :)


I also owe an apology to Aaron Nichols and CMG for making my opinion about what I still believe to be improper classification of such a beautiful and obviously well prepared racecar known on this forum in the way I did. That was my mistake and I'm sorry it happened the way it did. :)

Aaron, would you please accept my sincere apology for not making the praise public and my concerns over classification private? I certainly don't believe there was anything done to intentionally violate rules and I most assuredly did not wish to cause such an issue in the thread about your beautiful racecar. Despite Brad's personal attacks on me, I would add that I also don't think Evosport would intentionally attempt to violate the rules since they are clearly working longer hours than most, spending more time developing new products than many, and constantly pushing the bar upward in designing and building great BMW racecars. It is indeed unfortunate that the development of new parts and implementation of great ideas sometimes bends/exceeds the limits that some folks see as they interpret the sometimes ambiguous and reportedly (as posted by others in this forum) almost constantly changing BMW CCA Club Racing rules. I'm very sorry that my interpretation of the rules got in the way of the celebration of the completion of your awesome racecar! :)Apology accepted but not needed. I respect your opinion. :) Let me say for the record, I completly trust the Evosport guys to have built a car within the rules and believe they have. I also respect yours and other's right to question that build. As Jon mentioned, if anyone truly believes I am running a car under the wrong class, then I am sure there will be a proper protest filed. Not that Ralph needs any help beating up on me all season ;-) I am sure I could run with Jon'e engine and Ralph would still hand me my a**. He has many more years of driving experience than I.


Aaron - beautiful car. Great weekend racing with you! I am proud of you for committing your racing to a higher cause.Thanks! Just glad to be able to share the race track with all of you guys :)

Wow, a thread for such a NOBLE and great cause for an amazing foundation..........which then gets turned to shit over stupid bickering over rule clarifications. :rolleyes

Wow, a thread for such a NOBLE and great cause for an amazing foundation..........which then gets turned to shit over stupid bickering over rule clarifications. :rolleyesYea....

Hey! I have a brilliant idea...anyone that feels bad this thread turned to bickering-poo can make it up by Paypaling $20 to donations@charitymotorsports.com.....:D

Man, have to say that car looks AWESOME! Best looking car I have seen in a long time! If you don't mind me asking what color yellow is it?

Man, have to say that car looks AWESOME! Best looking car I have seen in a long time! If you don't mind me asking what color yellow is it?Paint shop was not able to exactly match the Lance Armstrong yellow so we used the closest thing which was "Corvette Yellow". Not sure of the exact color code.

Thanks for the props. Glad you like the car :)

Brad and Mike -

Don't bring me into this argument as "approving" or "declaring" anything legal or illegal. I don't do that - officially or unofficially. We all class our cars according to our beliefs as to where they fall within the rules. If someone disagrees, then there is a protest process that should be followed.

Also, there is a clarification process that is well defined, and working well - let's see where that process leads us regarding changing a prepared class bumper. I have read the rule book in this regard and have an opinion, but I am but one of a 4 member committee and I have commitment to my fellow CRAC reps that they will and do have a voice in how I as the rules committee rep will ultimately vote. Mike, I hope you feel this process has worked appropriately.

Mike, please don't accuse me of cronyism again. It has a very negative connotation in my opinion and I resent it.

Aaron - beautiful car. Great weekend racing with you! I am proud of you for committing your racing to a higher cause.

As the tech steward for this race, and National Tech, I can't believe I'm going to respond to such typically ridiculous internet crap but here goes......

I performed numerous annual inspections at this event, to the standard that I normally aspire to meaning that it takes a fair bit of time to be thorough. During an annual inspection I do not typically focus on rules compliance from a performance standpoint but rather from a safety standpoint. I also try to check for wear items for the same reason. Even professionally built cars sometimes have things overlooked...and I'm speaking in general from what I've seen over the last year+, not necessarily this event.

Since I do not focus on performance compliance during annual inspections, similarly to Jon, I did not declare this bumper compliant or noncompliant however I noted the quality of construction and design.

That being said as Jon pointed out, there is a process for clarifications/questions as well as protests at the event. As always, it is recommended that people follow these guidelines for official responses/results.

Further, it is inappropriate for any official to speculate on the compliance of any car in a public forum although it happens from time to time. Once again, if I had a personal interest in the car in question, in any case, I would work through the official channels to get an official answer.

Brad and Aaron, too bad what started as a great thread turned internet ugly. Very nice looking car for a great cause either way.

Jon, good to see you and work with you again, thanks for your assistance and support.

Cheers.

Wow, that car's purty!

Scott

Mike you just don't get it. If you feel you have been personally attacked then fine. Do not however lump me in to your cronie comment either. You knew about me before I even started working here and I have helped you quite a few times with your race car set up. I am my own man and say what I feel. In the end Mike you are simply wrong for two things.

1. Making assumptions based on pictures.

2. Ruining a great thread that is for a good cause.

Wake up. You can see the car for yourself when we come back east later this season.

Dale (evosport cronie according to Mike Akard)

I still believe there could be an issue with the front fenders despite .... By "100% stock" are you saying they will match a new set of fenders from the dealer in every dimension...as in NEVER MODIFIED in any way? If not, please don't call it 100% stock! If the wheel opening isn't 100% stock as you describe, I believe the fenders would put the car in CM.
Mike, I already stated that the fenders have not been flared in ANY manner. Apparently repetition is needed? The wheel opening is 100% stock. I will await your apology.

I also believe that the various photos in this thread clearly provide plenty of evidence that the splitter FAR exceeds the FORWARD limit of the rules...despite your claim that it only extends a mere two inches beyond the bumper. If it does extend more than 3" forward of the BUMPER, that would put the car in CM.
Again, you are simply wrong. No reason to even argue it - you can state things incorrectly as many times as you want, that does not make them true.

Brad and Mike -

Don't bring me into this argument as "approving" or "declaring" anything legal or illegal. I don't do that - officially or unofficially. We all class our cars according to our beliefs as to where they fall within the rules. If someone disagrees, then there is a protest process that should be followed.
I did not mention any names my friend. That was your buddy Mike! :D

Aaron - beautiful car. Great weekend racing with you! I am proud of you for committing your racing to a higher cause.
Ain't that the truth.

As the tech steward for this race, and National Tech, I can't believe I'm going to respond to such typically ridiculous internet crap but here goes......

I performed numerous annual inspections at this event, to the standard that I normally aspire to meaning that it takes a fair bit of time to be thorough. During an annual inspection I do not typically focus on rules compliance from a performance standpoint but rather from a safety standpoint. I also try to check for wear items for the same reason. Even professionally built cars sometimes have things overlooked...and I'm speaking in general from what I've seen over the last year+, not necessarily this event.

Since I do not focus on performance compliance during annual inspections, similarly to Jon, I did not declare this bumper compliant or noncompliant however I noted the quality of construction and design.

That being said as Jon pointed out, there is a process for clarifications/questions as well as protests at the event. As always, it is recommended that people follow these guidelines for official responses/results.

Further, it is inappropriate for any official to speculate on the compliance of any car in a public forum although it happens from time to time. Once again, if I had a personal interest in the car in question, in any case, I would work through the official channels to get an official answer.

Brad and Aaron, too bad what started as a great thread turned internet ugly. Very nice looking car for a great cause either way.

Jon, good to see you and work with you again, thanks for your assistance and support.

Cheers.
Thanks for all your hard work this weekend Jack - it was great to see you. Your second to last comment certainly rings true.

LOL....that's laughable. "Openly challenged"? Interesting how you've spun that when you were the one to originally question it. I know you're smart enough to be able to foresee that Brad was going to defend his work. Then you say that defense was an "open challenge".

That whole diatribe still doesn't undo the reality that your assumptions of illegality are based 100% on photos which are impossible to scale and cannot possibly provide a basis for an accurate measurement. That really is the end of that story.

Again, you knew what you were typing and you knew that someone would object.

Mike, you've apologized, sort of, but maintained the accusation for which you're apologizing! So why apologize?

This definitely was the wrong time and place to question the car, in a thread introducing the car and the program Aaron has put together.

Scott
Appreciate the words buddy - but I am done wasting time replying to such posts, I recommend you do the same. If we both want to waste some time, lets drinks some beer and tell racing stories! :D

Again - we are overjoyed and very proud to be part of this great cause! Thanks Aaron for giving us the opportunity.

Thanks
Brad

Hopefully the car will make it to the east coast at some point. :D

I work on several floors of a large hospital and after spending long periods of time on the pediatric oncology units i first hand know how awesome of a cause this is. Cancer is a horrible disease and watching kids go through so much pain just doesnt seem fair, i'd love to get lots of pictures to take in to my pt.'s, sometimes they need to know there are people out there who have gone through the same thing and are there to support them.

As the tech steward for this race, and National Tech, I can't believe I'm going to respond to such typically ridiculous internet crap but here goes......

I performed numerous annual inspections at this event, to the standard that I normally aspire to meaning that it takes a fair bit of time to be thorough. During an annual inspection I do not typically focus on rules compliance from a performance standpoint but rather from a safety standpoint. I also try to check for wear items for the same reason. Even professionally built cars sometimes have things overlooked...and I'm speaking in general from what I've seen over the last year+, not necessarily this event.

Since I do not focus on performance compliance during annual inspections, similarly to Jon, I did not declare this bumper compliant or noncompliant however I noted the quality of construction and design.

That being said as Jon pointed out, there is a process for clarifications/questions as well as protests at the event. As always, it is recommended that people follow these guidelines for official responses/results.

Further, it is inappropriate for any official to speculate on the compliance of any car in a public forum although it happens from time to time. Once again, if I had a personal interest in the car in question, in any case, I would work through the official channels to get an official answer.

Brad and Aaron, too bad what started as a great thread turned internet ugly. Very nice looking car for a great cause either way.

Jon, good to see you and work with you again, thanks for your assistance and support.

Cheers.Jack...thank you so much for all your help last weekend. You rock! Sorry you got sucked into this...

Again - we are overjoyed and very proud to be part of this great cause! Thanks Aaron for giving us the opportunity.

Thanks
BradCouldn't have done it without you.

Hopefully the car will make it to the east coast at some point. :D

I work on several floors of a large hospital and after spending long periods of time on the pediatric oncology units i first hand know how awesome of a cause this is. Cancer is a horrible disease and watching kids go through so much pain just doesnt seem fair, i'd love to get lots of pictures to take in to my pt.'s, sometimes they need to know there are people out there who have gone through the same thing and are there to support them.NOw THIS is what it is all about!! Thank you for the props and well wishes. I'd love to meet you when/if we come out east as well and even go visit those kids you are talking about.

For the rest of you can we please now end the :deadhorse:

Great cause for sure.

For those of us not yet club racing, these kinds of disputes make you wonder why people do. It appears most guys let it slide right off and have fun anyway but others love to make a big, huge deal about rules in club racing where all you can win is the right to brag and usually that is only the right to brag that you spent more money. I guess the one thing you always have to tolerate in these volunteer organizations are those that love to make big deals out of nothing--hard to "fire" people. I don't know Mike but the fact he would have made the orginal accusatory post in this thread means #1) he is one of these people or #2) he just made a mistake and used bad judgment. Hopefully it is #2. However, the sarcasm in his attempted apology has me thinking number #1.

Like someone else said, if you think a car is in violation--the proper procedure is to protest. You don't make such comments on public forum based on pictures.

Aaron, you've had plenty of time now with the new pics to change your sig to the new car. Get on the J-O-B!

For those of us not yet club racing, these kinds of disputes make you wonder why people do.

Because everything on the internet is a tempest in a teacup. Join us at the track and see how much fun it truly is. Then you'll stop having to wonder. :)

When I looked at the photos of this beautiful race car, I saw what I believed to be the splitter sticking out considerably farther forward that the rules allow and made an inappropriate post in this otherwise positive celebratory thread about the completion of this fabulous racecar and the good cause for which it was intended to support through its construction and racing. I have been told repeatedly that the splitter is indeed within the maximum 3" distance from the bumper cover as defined in the rulebook by Brad Otoupalik from Evosport (the shop that built the awesome looking machine) and therefore, while it has still not yet been confirmed nor disputed by any other party....while it is still just my assumption vs Brad's word.... I offer my most sincere apology to Brad and the rest of the folks at Evosport for questioning their workmanship publicly without even first asking them for details to confirm my assumption prior to doing what it is that assumptions are good for! It was absurd for me to have done so while knowing that I have so many good things to say about my own personal experiences with working together with Brad and the other fine folks at Evosport and I have no excuse for my poor attempt at making a witty, humorous remark about my misguided assumption....especially when it involves such a good cause & people that have worked so hard to make it happen within a tight deadline. I didn't show it very well at all, but I have great respect for the many long hours Evosport has obviously put into making big things happen on multiple, high-profile, major projects in such a short time. The work is incredible and I most certainly should NOT take anything away from the well deserved praise and celebration...even if I had not been mistaken. The car is simply a work of art in the photos and I am very anxious to see all of the new Evosport machines in-person. I am truly sorry for my inappropriate posts. :):):)

Can we get back to the praise and celebration of the completion of such a beautiful, awesome racecar as well as the cause for which it was built

Yes, PLEASE! In fact, while it would be an unfortunate amount of work for a moderator to have to deal with, I for one would love to have any of the bickering posts (including my own right now) deleted from this particular thread.

Frankly, I normally stay out of these debates, but the cause for which this car is campaigning is very near and dear to me personally, so I'm allowing myself to break my own rules about being involved in an e-debate. Moving all those remarks to a seperate thread is fine, as that's part of the reason these forums are here.

That's all I got.

Awesome car, Awesome cause! Good going, guys, really.

Donation sent!

Aaron, you've had plenty of time now with the new pics to change your sig to the new car. Get on the J-O-B!LOL! No doubt....I am so busy though. Will fix it tonight as I have a ton of graphics work/site updates to do tonight in prep for Bimmerfest :)

Awesome car, Awesome cause! Good going, guys, really.

Donation sent!AND...donation received!! Thanks ....you :buttrock

LOL! No doubt....I am so busy though. Will fix it tonight as I have a ton of graphics work/site updates to do tonight in prep for Bimmerfest :)

Bummer! I guess the car won't be racing at WSIR that weekend then, or will it be out there on Sunday only? There will be more people to see it at BF, I'm sure, but it deserves to be going fast rather than sitting at a show. :)

Edited

Yes, PLEASE! In fact, while it would be an unfortunate amount of work for a moderator to have to deal with, I for one would love to have any of the bickering posts (including my own right now) deleted from this particular thread.

Frankly, I normally stay out of these debates, but the cause for which this car is campaigning is very near and dear to me personally, so I'm allowing myself to break my own rules about being involved in an e-debate. Moving all those remarks to a separate thread is fine, as that's part of the reason these forums are here.

That's all I got.
I agree - if a mod can move all of those/these posts that would be great.

Bummer! I guess the car won't be racing at WSIR that weekend then, or will it be out there on Sunday only? There will be more people to see it at BF, I'm sure, but it deserves to be going fast rather than sitting at a show. :)
It will be there on Sunday! :redspot

Thanks
Brad

Dats be lotz of werdz yo. If ya'll really would like to continue your short stories why not make a new thread?

It is a shame that the CR sponsors want our cars to look like NASCAR with big ugly boxy stickers. You would think that a sponsor would want to make racers happy, not upset and frustrate the paddock with huge stickers that look anything but nice on a car. It incentivizes us to put them on the car in places that are not really visible. I can tell you the whispers in the paddock were pretty uniform about this issue. I hope that some sponsors are listening. I know that Motorsport Coverage IS more then happy to provide the .eps file for us to make a sticker that will look good on a car other then white.



+1 - my car gets displayed at the LA Auto Show, Long Beach Grand Prix, etc. and I'd like to keep it looking somewhat tastefull. The HMS sticker is fine, but the rest of the required decals look hideous.

Not mention that the stickers are really bad quality. Sponsors spend a few extra bucks and make a sticker worth a sh*t.

-Rick

PS: The car looks great!


+1 - my car gets displayed at the LA Auto Show, Long Beach Grand Prix, etc. and I'd like to keep it looking somewhat tastefull. The HMS sticker is fine, but the rest of the required decals look hideous.

On the sticker front, I am having them made - but I need support. The vinyl shop is charging me for the designs, so I need others to order. Details shortly!

Thanks
brad

On the sticker front, I am having them made - but I need support. The vinyl shop is charging me for the designs, so I need others to order. Details shortly!

Thanks
brad

I am trying to figure out where to put that HUGE new sticker for 2007, so if you are making smaller ones of you-know-whos count me in.

BTW: Lance is from Texas... Do you suppose he can come to O'Fest this year? You'll let him drive that beast... Right?

On the sticker front, I am having them made - but I need support. The vinyl shop is charging me for the designs, so I need others to order. Details shortly!

Thanks
brad

Count me in for a complete set or two. Great car...great cause. Wife is a survivor!!

Scott

On the sticker front, I am having them made - but I need support. The vinyl shop is charging me for the designs, so I need others to order. Details shortly!

Thanks
brad

Modern Image in Huntington Beach already has MotorsportCoverage.com in die cut.

BTW: Lance is from Texas... Do you suppose he can come to O'Fest this year? You'll let him drive that beast... Right?I have let my contact at The LAF know that anytime Lance wants to come out to ride in or drive the car he is more than welcome to do so :redspot

Sadly this car has gone to a new home. It should continue to be seen at West Coast events though.

Thanks
brad

Sadly this car has gone to a new home. It should continue to be seen at West Coast events though.

Thanks
brad

Any idea what the new livery will be?

Some guy at the track (in Phoenix) last weekend was telling everyone he was going to buy that car. I couldn't tell if he was serious or not. Did it go to Arizona?

Any idea what the new livery will be?
Not sure. Same colors, but he is going to change the car around. :(

Some guy at the track (in Phoenix) last weekend was telling everyone he was going to buy that car. I couldn't tell if he was serious or not. Did it go to Arizona?
No, but the old owner's OTHER car (his e36) was sold at the same time and it DID go to AZ. Maybe that is what he was talking about. You will see it at the PTA events at PIR!

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brad

Forgive me for being confused...but why bump a 7 month old thread to tell us a car is being sold and not tell us who it's being sold to?

One of my customers purchased the car, it will compete next year on the west coast in CCA. The customer is not on BF, so there is really no need to list his name.

-tony

Forgive me for being confused...but why bump a 7 month old thread to tell us a car is being sold and not tell us who it's being sold to?

Closure? Is the identity of the new owner even important? Unless it's someone on the board, of course...

Forgive me for being confused...but why bump a 7 month old thread to tell us a car is being sold and not tell us who it's being sold to?
Closure? Is the identity of the new owner even important? Unless it's someone on the board, of course...
ffej is right on. I have not been updating the thread and with the car leaving, it gives the thread closure.

I would NEVER reveal the name of a buyer - that is his right. I guess it is that attorney-client thing they taught us in law school. :D

One of my customers purchased the car, it will compete next year on the west coast in CCA. The customer is not on BF, so there is really no need to list his name.

-tony
Yep - it will surely be kept in great condition!

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brad