Had many runs against my brother's 2006 GTO. Modifications of my car are in signature. I make 220rwhp. The race from the stop, his car had the traction control on.
Here are the vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-BDH4pXPV8

Jesus, the Goat literally just walks away the whole time.

Jesus, the Goat literally just walks away the whole time.

yea it is not pretty for the m3. fun night nevertheless.

not bad for 220whp vs 350whp. Can't really expect anything more. Nice vid nonetheless.

I like the 2nd/3rd wheelspin from the GTO.

yea the car is a monster. we just had it dyno tuned earlier that day.

Those Gto's are ugly but quick. Sweet vid anyway.

6.0 I am assuming? Yes, they are fast.

Have your try at a 5.7 2005 and it will be different

is your car auto?...ahhh hell it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Nice runs, looks like fun!!

yea a 2004 gto would probably be better competition

yes my car is an auto

dissapointing, 335i would walk the crap out of both these cars, i just got to drive one quite a bit last weekend and have gone from 100% M3 to like 90%M3 and 10% 335i....oh well that is a BMW engine from 1996 so we cant let it bother us too much

I like those GTOs. I keep trying to get one to race me but they won't go for it. :(

I like those GTOs. I keep trying to get one to race me but they won't go for it. :(

:rofl just a week after you were telling us all about how your friend's modded GT2 just gets walked. I don't think they're going to BOTHER biting, Alan.

What song is that in the video? Pretty sweet.

I enjoyed the video a lot. :)

very nice video!

wow i never thought he would beat u that bad, my friends srt4 just raced one the other day and actually beat him, i never thought an m3 would get smoked that bad...

dissapointing, 335i would walk the crap out of both these cars, i just got to drive one quite a bit last weekend and have gone from 100% M3 to like 90%M3 and 10% 335i....oh well that is a BMW engine from 1996 so we cant let it bother us too much

yea, i'm not sure how a 335i would be anywhere near "walking" the gto. it would probably be walked. stock for stock, a 335i would put up a good fight, but it would still lose. this gto is modified so a stock 335i would be killed.

and it doesn't "bother me" at all. i expected to lose.

wow i never thought he would beat u that bad, my friends srt4 just raced one the other day and actually beat him, i never thought an m3 would get smoked that bad...

not sure how that happened. a stock srt-4 is on par with an e36 m3. a gto is in another hp class to begin with. your friend's srt 4 is either modified or the gto left it in 6th gear for him.

very nice video!

thanks!!!

What song is that in the video? Pretty sweet.

I enjoyed the video a lot. :)

it is a song from armin van buuren's - a state of trance 2006-
the song is called "shipwrecked" by mike foyle

I like those GTOs. I keep trying to get one to race me but they won't go for it. :(

if youre ever in houston. we would be glad to race. but like in our race, we can predict the outcome fairly well. how many lengths you want?:)

not sure how that happened. a stock srt-4 is on par with an e36 m3. a gto is in another hp class to begin with. your friend's srt 4 is either modified or the gto left it in 6th gear for him.

my friends has only bolt ons but i think they make such a big difference in that car, it was at 2004 gto tho ive seen my friend beat that 2007 z4 with the M engine by like a car so i know an e36 wouldnt prob be a good race against him

if youre ever in houston. we would be glad to race. but like in our race, we can predict the outcome fairly well. how many lengths you want?:)

maybe you didn't notice he has a z06... ls7>ls2(gto) its the other way around ;)

maybe you didn't notice he has a z06... ls7>ls2(gto) its the other way around ;)

lol true

dissapointing, 335i would walk the crap out of both these cars, i just got to drive one quite a bit last weekend and have gone from 100% M3 to like 90%M3 and 10% 335i....oh well that is a BMW engine from 1996 so we cant let it bother us too much


I have a buddy that has a fully bolt on ls2 gto. with a fully built c6 z06 tranny, 3.91 gears plus extra mods.

He dynos 410 rwhp and 410 wtq. without cams. When I just got my vishnu tune we did a few races. I was on 91 octane and he walked me about 2 cars in about every gear. 80-150, 60-120, 20-120, doesnt matter. He pulls but stops pulling when he hits 2 cars.

Im pretty damn sure stock for stock a 335i and ls1 ( 5.7L ) goat would be a close race. But as for a ls2 ( 6.0 ) that would be another story.

Now tho since his car is down for a while and ive got a few more mods. it would be a bit closer. Not sure until we try it tho.

I have a friend that took videos of all of us doing runs. If I can get a hold of him i can try to put them online and show you guys. These runs were probably taken 3 months ago. So they are fairly old, and the only mod i had was the tune.

To the OP : Very nice vids. I was expecting that much. those gto's are highway monsters, esp for how heavy they are.

dissapointing, 335i would walk the crap out of both these cars, i just got to drive one quite a bit last weekend and have gone from 100% M3 to like 90%M3 and 10% 335i....oh well that is a BMW engine from 1996 so we cant let it bother us too much

:lol i've raced both the 335i Coupe and the LS2 GTO, and let me tell you, the 335i didn't do nearly as well as the goat did. in fact, i'm sure if the three of us were all racing at once, the GTO would have had a few carlengths on the 335i. there's no way a 335i would even walk an LS1 GTO...that right there is a driver's race.


to the OP, like many others have already said - it was a very predictable outcome. but i like a good sport who still races even when he knows the odds are not in his favor. sometimes its not about winning, but seeing just how much work you need to do to be the winner the next time you race that same car ;) . anyways, nice vid, great quality...

I have a buddy that has a fully bolt on ls2 gto. with a fully built c6 z06 tranny, 3.91 gears plus extra mods.

He dynos 410 rwhp and 410 wtq. without cams. When I just got my vishnu tune we did a few races. I was on 91 octane and he walked me about 2 cars in about every gear. 80-150, 60-120, 20-120, doesnt matter. He pulls but stops pulling when he hits 2 cars.

Im pretty damn sure stock for stock a 335i and ls1 ( 5.7L ) goat would be a close race. But as for a ls2 ( 6.0 ) that would be another story.

Now tho since his car is down for a while and ive got a few more mods. it would be a bit closer. Not sure until we try it tho.

I have a friend that took videos of all of us doing runs. If I can get a hold of him i can try to put them online and show you guys. These runs were probably taken 3 months ago. So they are fairly old, and the only mod i had was the tune.

To the OP : Very nice vids. I was expecting that much. those gto's are highway monsters, esp for how heavy they are.

Im guessing c6 z06 gears/or just ratios in gto tranny cause the corvette tranny is in rear of car.

That chick was like, "What happened?"



Jee I dunno. It defnitely wasn't the 358whp vs 220whp

maybe you didn't notice he has a z06... ls7>ls2(gto) its the other way around ;)

haha, no i was being sarcastic, hence the smiley.

Drooooll..

if youre ever in houston. we would be glad to race. but like in our race, we can predict the outcome fairly well. how many lengths you want?:)

Sounds good man. I grew up in Houston and go back often.

Sounds good man. I grew up in Houston and go back often.

i hope you know i was being sarcastic as well. we are just trying to lure you over here in hopes of a race.:D

his donuts pwned urs

I have a buddy that has a fully bolt on ls2 gto. with a fully built c6 z06 tranny, 3.91 gears plus extra mods.

He dynos 410 rwhp and 410 wtq. without cams. When I just got my vishnu tune we did a few races. I was on 91 octane and he walked me about 2 cars in about every gear. 80-150, 60-120, 20-120, doesnt matter. He pulls but stops pulling when he hits 2 cars.

Im pretty damn sure stock for stock a 335i and ls1 ( 5.7L ) goat would be a close race. But as for a ls2 ( 6.0 ) that would be another story.

Now tho since his car is down for a while and ive got a few more mods. it would be a bit closer. Not sure until we try it tho.

I have a friend that took videos of all of us doing runs. If I can get a hold of him i can try to put them online and show you guys. These runs were probably taken 3 months ago. So they are fairly old, and the only mod i had was the tune.

To the OP : Very nice vids. I was expecting that much. those gto's are highway monsters, esp for how heavy they are.

thank you. i have seen some of yours as well. great work.

his donuts pwned urs

they did indeed. ive never broken the car loose before that night.

Nice vid! That was fun to watch!

:lol i've raced both the 335i Coupe and the LS2 GTO, and let me tell you, the 335i didn't do nearly as well as the goat did. in fact, i'm sure if the three of us were all racing at once, the GTO would have had a few carlengths on the 335i. there's no way a 335i would even walk an LS1 GTO...that right there is a driver's race.


to the OP, like many others have already said - it was a very predictable outcome. but i like a good sport who still races even when he knows the odds are not in his favor. sometimes its not about winning, but seeing just how much work you need to do to be the winner the next time you race that same car ;) . anyways, nice vid, great quality...

haha, yea i agree with your assessment. i can drive my brother's car anyway, so we figured why not put it on video.

yea, i'm not sure how a 335i would be anywhere near "walking" the gto. it would probably be walked. stock for stock, a 335i would put up a good fight, but it would still lose. this gto is modified so a stock 335i would be killed.

and it doesn't "bother me" at all. i expected to lose.

um it took your car ages to get to 120 and the GTO was barely only a couple car lengths ahead of you at that time, the 335 gets there very quickly...don't get me wrong though i love M3s of all generations, and until last week i would have laughed at someone talking up the 335, but really, they are very very fast

:lol i've raced both the 335i Coupe and the LS2 GTO, and let me tell you, the 335i didn't do nearly as well as the goat did. in fact, i'm sure if the three of us were all racing at once, the GTO would have had a few carlengths on the 335i. there's no way a 335i would even walk an LS1 GTO...that right there is a driver's race.


to the OP, like many others have already said - it was a very predictable outcome. but i like a good sport who still races even when he knows the odds are not in his favor. sometimes its not about winning, but seeing just how much work you need to do to be the winner the next time you race that same car ;) . anyways, nice vid, great quality...

do you drive a celica hatchback , thats prob about as slow as my 318!

um it took your car ages to get to 120 and the GTO was barely only a couple car lengths ahead of you at that time, the 335 gets there very quickly...don't get me wrong though i love M3s of all generations, and until last week i would have laughed at someone talking up the 335, but really, they are very very fast

hey, if i were given a choice between a 335 and an E36 M, I would choose the former without hesitation.

Also, it took so long to reach 120 because we were driving against the wind (which was strong) and both windows were down. At those speeds, the wind really works against you.

also, i am not sure what video you are watching, but he was about 50 cars ahead of me at 120. he was on the brakes before i even hit 120.

There is it is

do you drive a celica hatchback , thats prob about as slow as my 318!

yes i do drive a celica for a daily...and actually its probably slower than your 318 haha. obviously though i did not race a GTO and a 335i in my Celica...i did that in the Supra.

not bad for 220whp vs 350whp. Can't really expect anything more. Nice vid nonetheless.

thats the philosophy i would run with, I'd still take the M hands down.

Nice car.

hey, if i were given a choice between a 335 and an E36 M, I would choose the former without hesitation.

Also, it took so long to reach 120 because we were driving against the wind (which was strong) and both windows were down. At those speeds, the wind really works against you.

they are both nice cars, i dont know which i would take, the only M3 i've had the chance to drive is e46. atleast you have an M though and not just another 3 series

This video is a fake, I simply refuse to believe that the E36 M3 was beaten by a N/A car.

GTO's are fast, but you could have taken him in the twisties.:rofl

where did the vid go?

GTO's are fast, but you could have taken him in the twisties.:rofl

They compete head to head vs. the E46 M3s in SCCA T2 though....

dont forget he has an automatic people.

This is a similar outcome to me and my brother. He has a bolt on LS1 GTO with cams. Its got "the magic stick", long tube headers, no cats, intake, ported throttle body and a tune. Its making north of 400whp and destroys my M3 like its not even moving....except on turns haha.

GTOs are sooooo slowwww.

Only one beat me by 1/2 of car and it was dyno at 450hp and I was at 7psi LOL

Yeah where is the video....:confused

Video removed by owner?

i dunno...my gto holds its own against most M3s on the twisties, too. I lap at TWSs 2.9 mi course on average at about 2:04, a pace many M3s seem to have a tough time matching (daily drivers anyway). :eatpop:

i dunno...my gto holds its own against most M3s on the twisties, too. I lap at TWSs 2.9 mi course on average at about 2:04, a pace many M3s seem to have a tough time matching (daily drivers anyway). :eatpop:

And what about on tight road courses. How does the heavy goat do there?

And what about on tight road courses. How does the heavy goat do there?

tight courses are not one of the gtos strong point - for sure, but fast / sweeping tracks like the TWS road course suit the chassis pretty well.
btw..ive been on a mission to pull-out extaneous weight from the car since new. Recently weighed-in at 3,375# (dry) on TWSs corner weight scales..so this particular goat is not that fat of a pig afterall. I believe thats pretty close to E46 territory - and I do have 450 at the crank.

And what about on tight road courses. How does the heavy goat do there?


:lol :lol :lol

No disrepect to GTOs but that was funny, yes they are indeed heavy cars.... if you compare vs a turbo E36 in the 2700 Lbs.

I have and old video of a GTO w/my old tuning. I was early shifting doing it realy slow... I was at the 300ish on this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2553866101753160350

:lol :lol :lol

No disrepect to GTOs but that was funny, yes they are indeed heavy cars.... if you compare vs a turbo E36 in the 2700s

id give up my left nut (not really) if i could get within a couple of hundred of 2700.
:urtheman

I believe thats pretty close to E46 territory.

a slim E46 can weight 3100lbs you are kind of close but far away from an E36:stickoutt

Looks like the vid is gone

And what about on tight road courses. How does the heavy goat do there?

Look at the SCCA. How tight are we talking? I mean at what point does it become a pointless comparison of autocrossing 4 seaters?

Look at the SCCA. How tight are we talking? I mean at what point does it become a pointless comparison of autocrossing 4 seaters?

You dont make sense..... have anybody told you dont belive everything you see in TV.

1st the cars you see on TV have to be build by a rulebook. This means that if the BMW is 3200lbs and the rule book says a minimun weight of 3400lbs they have to add balast weight to the car. Same case for the GTO, they will shape weight out the car to meet the rule book that means fiberglas panels or carbonfiber. Bedides that is the porpuse of the rulebook.. get the pack of cars together to get better racing and made better TV.;)

Now we can compare a street car for a street car you why b/c there is no rules to follow but the emmision rules but who cares about been ritch at WOT..:stickoutt

GTO is beast!

a slim E46 can weight 3100lbs you are kind of close but far away from an E36:stickoutt

true..but i got 450 at the crank....so my HP/lbs is looking good !

true..but i got 450 at the crank....so my HP/lbs is looking good !

Ok if you have 450 to the crank = what to the wheels ?

I do not know what is the stimate lost on at GTO but I know that in a BMW is 17%.... so lets set and example:

my car at 7psi pump gas was almost even with a 450whp GTO (cams,P&Pheads, headers full exhaust, light weigh wheels, light weigh brakes..etc)

and I dyno at 340whp & 344Wtq at 9-10psi on pump gas and the day I raced that GTO I was at 7psi I will guess 320whp on the high end. BTW I stoped at the scales yesterday and my car is now 2920lbs with my fat ass in it..lol

So, we have a 2920 / 320 = 9.1 HP ratio
And a GTO at 3600 / 373 = 9.6 HP ratio

I was guessing the weight of your car and the hp to the wheels but it does not look good to you. and you know why.... b/c the less weigh I have to trow around the corners the faster I am, and my brakes and tires will last longer.

I think my car in pump gas will be enough but I can go to C16 and we will be looking at

2920 / 430 = 6.7 HP ratio all time boost and hiting 430 at 2900rpms :devillook

here is the last dyno w/the M3 OEM clutch, now I got a 6puck clutch so my tq will not taper down by slipping clutch:alright

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b103/rafaelnos/Dynoshet2.jpg

You dont make sense..... have anybody told you dont belive everything you see in TV.

1st the cars you see on TV have to be build by a rulebook. This means that if the BMW is 3200lbs and the rule book says a minimun weight of 3400lbs they have to add balast weight to the car. Same case for the GTO, they will shape weight out the car to meet the rule book that means fiberglas panels or carbonfiber. Bedides that is the porpuse of the rulebook.. get the pack of cars together to get better racing and made better TV.;)

Now we can compare a street car for a street car you why b/c there is no rules to follow but the emmision rules but who cares about been ritch at WOT..:stickoutt

Sure, the TV lies. So does NASA. Both are in the PTC class.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Performance-Touring-rules.pdf

Maybe you can clarify the weight issue since it's restrictors and tire/wheel sizes that are usually mentioned on TV and modified. The CTS-V had to race with it's stock headrests in the car vs. the Neon SRT-4s. Not much weight parity there either.

Sure, the TV lies. So does NASA. Both are in the PTC class.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Performance-Touring-rules.pdf

Maybe you can clarify the weight issue since it's restrictors and tire/wheel sizes that are usually mentioned on TV and modified. The CTS-V had to race with it's stock headrests in the car vs. the Neon SRT-4s. Not much weight parity there either.

Dude you miss the hole point, and I'm not going to read the rules of N.A.S.A. to argue w/you.

The point is that any club or racing sanctioning body has the same porpuse.... which is rule the racing is that simple, I cant see why is so hard to understand for you..

If they do not rule weigh, they will rule engine mods to regulate the HP level so they can keep the pack together.

Let me explain the TV coment; the cars that the public sees on TV look like their cars on the streets, just w/ a lot of decals righ! Well no, sometimes the chasis of these cars are heavy moded to suit the rule book, so does the engine or the suspension points etc...

So, because a 16 year old kid sees his brand new SRT4 take corners at 2+ Gs the in the World challange on TV means his car w/ bolt-ons is going to do the same... Do you get it now...

So b/c we see a GTO tag alone means that is the same GTO we are talking about.

Like E46 M3 in germany tagging along with lemas cars they "look" like a E46 M3 but they are far of what a M3 is, like having a V8 in them and the chasis been reinforce up the ass by BMW motorsports and their cages... not using their rear oem suspension point etc... I hope you get it by now

Dude you miss the hole point, and I'm not going to read the rules of N.A.S.A. to argue w/you.

The point is that any club or racing sanctioning body has the same porpuse.... which is rule the racing is that simple, I cant see why is so hard to understand for you..

If they do not rule weigh, they will rule engine mods to regulate the HP level so they can keep the pack together.

Let me explain the TV coment; the cars that the public sees on TV look like their cars on the streets, just w/ a lot of decals righ! Well no, sometimes the chasis of these cars are heavy moded to suit the rule book, so does the engine or the suspension points etc...

So, because a 16 year old kid sees his brand new SRT4 take corners at 2+ Gs the in the World challange on TV means his car w/ bolt-ons is going to do the same... Do you get it now...

So b/c we see a GTO tag alone means that is the same GTO we are talking about.

Like E46 M3 in germany tagging along with lemas cars they "look" like a E46 M3 but they are far of what a M3 is, like having a V8 in them and the chasis been reinforce up the ass by BMW motorsports and their cages... not using their rear oem suspension point etc... I hope you get it by now

I get your point. But what you're refering to is closer to the pro-level or extensive mods in other classes such as Speed Touring/GT, Grand-Am, etc.

The GTO and M3 compete in the SCCA T2 class where mods and weight changes are minimal. The point being is that although the M3 is a superior platform, they are fairly competitive against each other. In that same class this year, the STis ruled and the pro-driven M3 couldn't make 2nd place stick. There were also LS1s Fbodies in that class, too.

Chris Brannon took a 2005 GTO to the T2 Midwest Divisional Championship in 2006. The 2005 Run Offs winner, Chuck Hemmingson, is the factory Suburu Driver (STi). Chris Brannon beat him at his home track. GTO IS beast !

I cant see the video....

I get your point. But what you're refering to is closer to the pro-level or extensive mods in other classes such as Speed Touring/GT, Grand-Am, etc.

The GTO and M3 compete in the SCCA T2 class where mods and weight changes are minimal. The point being is that although the M3 is a superior platform, they are fairly competitive against each other. In that same class this year, the STis ruled and the pro-driven M3 couldn't make 2nd place stick. There were also LS1s Fbodies in that class, too.

Ohhhhh I understand your point now too.... the Suburu and the GTO may be superior but that is a class that I personally will not run...

Reason number one we have a M3 with 240 crank power @ 3180lbs with a curb weight of 3200lbs vs a GTO w/ 400 crank power @ 3580lbs when the GTO's curb weight is 3800lbs so they allow the GTO to lose aprox. 220lbs and be race ready and the M3 can lose 20lbs and then keep fighting with 240hp vs 400hp....

Dude the same shit tha happen to ITS is going to happen here, Teams are going to start bitching until the SCCA hears them, and create a better class or regulate T2 better. As we have a brand new ITR they might end up with a new T class.

Chris Brannon took a 2005 GTO to the T2 Midwest Divisional Championship in 2006. The 2005 Run Offs winner, Chuck Hemmingson, is the factory Suburu Driver (STi). Chris Brannon beat him at his home track. GTO IS beast !

take a look at the T2 specs and see the other side of the coin, where the M3 is playing with cars in another hp level. Then you will see that if "the" GTO comes out and play with another M3 on their HP level it will be spanked ;)

This video is a fake, I simply refuse to believe that the E36 M3 was beaten by a N/A car.

WIth only 220whp there are TONS of NA cars that can beat an E36 M3 lol I really hope your joking :lol

Nice runs, youll need boost before coming close to a 6L goat ---- make sure he doesnt spray 110+ shot :eyecrazy

I run a 13.5 at 105 mph consistantly in my 2004 LS-1 GTO 6sp on all season tires...I am stock. Just a FYI. Nothing special.

Its a heavy car and floaty in the twisties. I would think a e36 would not have a problem with a ls-1 goat in the twisties. But on the highway it is a different story. Although the GTO does behave well. With new bushings and some coilovers or shocks its a different story.

GTO is a Great car for the money. Although the msrp is north of 32K......I got mine for 27K new . A low payment is easy on the bank account. 45,000 miles and problem free....just change the oil.

Computer likes to retard timing alot.....so fuse pull or battery disconnect does wonders...I do mine once a week. That ecu reset shaves .3 to .4 seconds off my 1/4 mile time. If I have not reset in a month or so.

45,000 miles and over 400 1/4 mile trips at the local drag strip an massive burnouts and my rear tires still lasted over 25,000 miles....hard as rocks,,,,LOL.....only oil changes. NEVER HAD AN ISSUE...And the car did not sell. GM imports a good product (sure a little boring looking...but all GM cars are boring or look like the BAT Mobile)

Not many fast cars on the market that don't look all pimped out and have a reasonable price tag.

Sounds like a fun car ! 400s trip down the 1/4 ?
those things are monsters. what are the possibliilties with a blower?
any vids?

what kinda tires !???!

Computer likes to retard timing alot.....so fuse pull or battery disconnect does wonders...I do mine once a week. That ecu reset shaves .3 to .4 seconds off my 1/4 mile time. If I have not reset in a month or so.

45,000 miles and over 400 1/4 mile trips at the local drag strip an massive burnouts and my rear tires still lasted over 25,000 miles....hard as rocks,,,,LOL.....only oil changes. NEVER HAD AN ISSUE..


My Lightning liked to pull back the timing, too. Damn ECU thinks it knows what is best!

400 passes without a hitch is pretty impressive. It sounds like you are a regular at the strip.

I like GTOs (the overall concept), but have never driven/ridden in one. They aren't that bad looking at all. Then again...I have an lancer w/ body kit...what do I know? :D

Great vid - thanks for posting that.

The GTO is like Mike Tyson...unrefined, ugly and overweight...but, man, it can get the job done.

LOVE the wheelspin in 2nd and 3rd.

6.0 I am assuming? Yes, they are fast.

Have your try at a 5.7 2005 and it will be different

Close. . . but I still give it to the GTO.

I've owned a 99 M3 with mods and if the GTO drive is REALLY bad the M3 has a chance . . .

04 GTO = 300rwhp
96-99 M3 = 210-220 rwhp

The GTO is like Mike Tyson...unrefined, ugly and overweight...but, man, it can get the job done.

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hey man...I resemble that remark !

Ha ha - rest assured - it's a compliment. Great looking car, mate.