I still don't get it. I'm not here to brag about my kill like 99% of most people out here. I'm more annoyed by mine. What is with the Ricers? I just don't get it...

Well, it was after work (a second shift), and I hung out with my co-workers afterwards at TGI Fridays. I was a bit hungry, but seeing as it's a bit awkward being the only one to order food while sitting with 10-15 other people at the table, I decided to stop in at the local Taco Bell instead for a quick bite to eat before heading home. Well, the drive-through lane for the Taco Bell is set up so it runs parallel to a four lane county road. It's a relatively old road that pretty much runs straight right to lake Michigan (I'm about 30-40 mins away from the lake:buttrock).

Well, as I was waiting in the drive-through lane for my food, I heard the recognizable sound of a weed-whacker muffler. I glanced over to see an old Honda Civic 4-door with those nasty rims, and Xenon knockoff lights. Normally, I would have commented on this sight to myself, but I was more concerned with the Minivan two cars in front of me holding up the line.

End of story? Well, I hoped so. Nope, I guess this guy caught sight of me or something. The Honda turned around, and pulled into the Drive-through line. I still didn't care much about it until after I got my food.

I parked the car and chowed down on whatever I had ordered. While the Honda parked on the other end of the lot and gussengly did the same. When I finished and turned my car on. The Honda did the same thing, and decided to rev the engine a few times.

Now I was annoyed. This guy actually wanted to race?:confused

Well, he followed me out to that country road where he proceeded to ride my rear bumper while flashing his knock off xenon headlights.

I ignored him. We're supposed to have some rain coming in, so I didn't want to run into unpredictable road conditions. Also, I still have to find out where all the cops run radar on that road. Also, I've only been driving my car for a few weeks now, and I'm paranoid about breaking something.

So, this moron gets beside me and tried to taunt me into racing. Figuring that it's the only way to get this idiot away from me, I decide to ruin his ego. From a 45 roll, I kept my cruising gear (can't remember if it was 4th or 5th) and eased down on the accelerator. I start to pull away (Not good on lengths, I usually don't race people). He down shifts and proceeds to pass me (we're going about 60 by now). I down shift and destroy him. By 110 he was in my rear view and attempting to catch up.;)

Well, by now, I see a car a while ahead slam on it's brakes. I don't know if it was a cop or not, but I don't want to take a gamble with my insurance rates and traffic fines. I slow back down to about 65, and the Honda does the traditional Ricer fly-by.


So, instead of gaining a boost of ego, I took a slightly longer way home trying to comprehend this. I don't understand this fad...:confused

Why do people take these crappy cars and then think they're the shit?
What's the point of it? Why do you think you're the unbeatable speed racer when your car barely gets 100hp stock? (Don't know the actual HP, just sarcasm/exaggeration)

Back in High School when I had rice:( (a beat up Nissan altima with 220,000+ miles on it), I would hide in the shadows. I knew my car sucked. The only time I had good pickup was when the car hit it's red line, and even then it felt slow. The only cars i raced were the crappier cars my friends owned.:rolleyes

So, I guess what I want to know, is where to these guys egos come from to do stupid stuff like this?:confused

I think that it is just an attempt to screw with your own ego. Killjoy, if you will. (HA HA I passed you, shouldn't have slowed down stupid head!) All-in-all, its just a mere form of being a poor sport. This is just like the high school days when one guy would talk **** trying to egg the other guy on. When that other guy (ignored or brushed off the smack talker) had enough, the flying fist(s) of doom connects with the jello-like substance called their face which is supposed to contain the brain but in this case... Definately debatable.

My .02 you already know.

This is a big mystery. No one knows. I'd kinda like to do a documentary on ricers.

Lol, let the ricers be ricers IMHO. We need to make sure that we don't have too many krautburners running around ruining the BMW name. BMW means that we need to be cool and not go looking for trouble. The OP did the right thing, he didn't go looking for it he just reacted and hopefully put a dent in the guys ego.

BMW means that we need to be cool and not go looking for trouble. :rofl: thats the funniest $hit ive heard in a long time. im sorry but i didnt buy my M3 to be "cool"

I don't think that bmxludwig acctually meant "cool" as in 'all the highschool girls will want me' but cool as in relaxed and not looking for a fight so to speak, if you know you drive a fast car you shoulnd't have to flex its muscles all the time, but you might want to.: )

I dunno, maybe ricers do it for the attention; or perhaps they love the sound of the exhaust. Whatever makes them happy i suppose... however some of them are fast, they look like crap but they are fast...

some people just have nothing better to do.................

This is a big mystery. No one knows. I'd kinda like to do a documentary on ricers.
There already is one, it's called like "The Life of Streetracer" or something like that..lol

I'd say bad things about ricers but until I retire my Legend for an M3, I guess I technically can't. I've never understood people like that guy though... know your freaking place.

Occasionally, I'll jump off a light next to faster hardware in the hopes to hear the motor of whatever I'm taunting should I be impressed by what I see but it never enters my mind to actually pretend to contend with someone when I know full well they have the superior vehicle...

If anyone ever did that to me, I'd have a hard time choosing between totally burying them in the rear view so they never see me again (should whatever I'm driving be so capable) or just locking up the brakes and waiting for them to go away.

I don't mean to get off the subject but I've been lurking this sight for a couple of weeks and I thought I was the only one with a Legend. I'm looking to buy an e34 535i.
By the way I think ricers do what they do because they don't feel they have any authority so they try to create their own by mashing it to the floor all the time. So they become driven by power instead of being superior to it.

I had a POS 94' Mitsubishi Eclipse before my E46. I knew my car sucked, and to most people was slow. I never wanted or had the need to "race." Even now that I own my E46 all my mods are purely aesthetic. I mean I have a CAI (mainly for the engine growl) but other than that I mean the car is fast enough for me. *shrugs*

It would be nice to get an E46 or E92 ///M3 someday and lay the smack down on occasion but I don't get when people try to race all the time. (especially when they have POS cars).

Anybody know the exact definition of a ricer? ( In technical terms)

Anybody know the exact definition of a ricer? ( In technical terms)

Ricer (ry-sur). Noun. One who puts a loud pipe on Mom and Dad's old Honda to show that they are neither Mom, nor Dad. In 1974, it was loud cherry bombs and Crager's on Mom and Dad's old Country Squire wagon. Principally only the brands have changed. On a detail level, newer advents are the "fly-by," Asian stickers, and wings. These replace the chrome barefoot accelerator pedal, Lynyrd Skynyrd stickers and roach clips.

Maybe it's just me, but if someone turned around, followed me into a parking lot and waited for me to leave, I'd be pretty freaked out...maybe even scared.

I get as many annoying looks and feeble attemps to race by german car drivers as Japanese. For whatever reason, when a pinhead in a 911 does it, he's just playing/looking to have some fun, but if its a less expensive japanese car, he's a ricer?

I will become a proud ricer when the 500-hp 4wd/4ws Nissan skyline GTR arrives, but will not do flyby's. I'm hoping that car would be incremental, so i'd have bad-a$$ German and Japanese cars

You should have offered him one of these....

I agree with you aqu845 because I have a leadfoot and consider myself an enthusiast/hotrodder, but waiting in a parking lot stalking someone and following them to a light just to try to race is the very essence of a ricer.

I think a ricer is a state of mind, and a rice burner is their vehicle of choice. A ricer, imo, is just some one ignorant and uneducated in reference to the tuner world. It's purely imitation of the extremeties that certain vehicles incurr when they are subjected to items that make them appear faster. Items that support to logical dynamics and no strong purpose or function.

Sometimes I think it's a phase. I went through it. My 4 automatic civic had a large wing at one point, loud exhaust, intake, header, pullies..the whole 9 yards. In the end before its time, i cleaned it up with lips, conservative wheels, decent drop and an OEM exhaust.

Some people evolve through it, some people don't...

Ricer (ry-sur). Noun. One who puts a loud pipe on Mom and Dad's old Honda to show that they are neither Mom, nor Dad. In 1974, it was loud cherry bombs and Crager's on Mom and Dad's old Country Squire wagon. Principally only the brands have changed. On a detail level, newer advents are the "fly-by," Asian stickers, and wings. These replace the chrome barefoot accelerator pedal, Lynyrd Skynyrd stickers and roach clips.

So true, so true.

I think a ricer is a state of mind, and a rice burner is their vehicle of choice. A ricer, imo, is just some one ignorant and uneducated in reference to the tuner world. It's purely imitation of the extremeties that certain vehicles incurr when they are subjected to items that make them appear faster. Items that support to logical dynamics and no strong purpose or function.

Sometimes I think it's a phase. I went through it. My 4 automatic civic had a large wing at one point, loud exhaust, intake, header, pullies..the whole 9 yards. In the end before its time, i cleaned it up with lips, conservative wheels, decent drop and an OEM exhaust.

Some people evolve through it, some people don't...

Very insighful.

Also, i agree with xcaliber003 that the particulars on this case (stalking the BMW) out it over the top. That dude was the quintessential. ricer

Too much Fast n furious. In the movie the neon light adds 50 HP and makes the car 200 lbs lighter since the light elevates the car off the ground.

I bet you when he flew by you you yelled out a womans name(maybe monique or something like that) and pictured yourself losing the opportunity to be with 2 women at once. (lol, Ja Rule)

what i usually do with ricers is, if it's a car i know i can beat, i'll let them get up beside me and do the normal honks n shit and let them get about a car length and see their smiley faces as they stick their head out of the window while their gf is watching the road for them..then..the fun part...i go WOT and just turn this :) into :X :( :$ and then wait till they catch up and do the same thing untill they flip me off..ahah i'm horrible..sometimes i like to tell their gf's to show me boobs too..but it doesn't work all the time :D

by the way, elvirb87, wussup homeboy, i'm bosnian too

It's not like you have a race car...it's only a 528i rofl

WOOOOOOO. Let me get this straight. You eat in your car???? lol. hmmm.

Just playing. They bug me too.

I thought that too...NO ONE eats in my car. I don't even allow drinks that are not in plastic screw cap bottles.

It's not like you have a race car...it's only a 528i rofl
Get out of this forum:lol RSX IMHO is a stupid hatchback

WOOOOOOO. Let me get this straight. You eat in your car???? lol. hmmm

I ate while the car was stopped in the lot and MADE SURE nothing spilled.
I was careful...

It's not like you have a race car...it's only a 528i rofl
I know this. I'm not a boy racer. I don't want a race car at the moment. This is my first Bimmer, and I wanted a good, reliable first BMW. I also know if I got the 540, I'd be getting into trouble:devillook
Maybe down the road, I would like to "Graduate to a 540 or maybe an M5? But for now, I love my 528

This is a big mystery. No one knows. I'd kinda like to do a documentary on ricers.


I have a theory on the creation of the Ricer virus. I believe the outbreak started in Japan shortly after the release of the hit anime Initial D, a cartoon that features an underdog teenage driver in a sleeper Toyota. The Ricer virus spread rapidly from Japan with the aid of the television. Ever since the early 1990's the desire to create a fast car from something that is not fast by nature has been a popular trend among the youth of the world, however only a select minority can actually achieve Takumi's status in Initial D.

Get out of this forum:lol RSX IMHO is a stupid hatchback
and neither was my 330i...just a sedan to me

I dunno, maybe ricers do it for the attention; or perhaps they love the sound of the exhaust. Whatever makes them happy i suppose... however some of them are fast, they look like crap but they are fast...

yeah like my friends S13 with RB20DET in it...really ugly...but fast...:shifty

My favorite stupid ricer behavior is the addition of a rear wing on a FRONT drive car.

Sigh...and you would need to go about 200+mph to get any usable downforce anyway.

My favorite stupid ricer behavior is the addition of a rear wing on a FRONT drive car.
:lol YES! I love it! It makes no sense! Well, Ricing doesn't really make much sense either...:rolleyes

My favorite stupid ricer behavior is the addition of a rear wing on a FRONT drive car.

Sigh...and you would need to go about 200+mph to get any usable downforce anyway.Oh boy. There is a good reason for a wing on a FWD car. The wing isn't there for traction on the drive wheels, it's there to provide downforce on the rear for high speed cornering. Which might be even more important on an already front-heavy FWD car.

Also, a wing CAN generate useful downforce at speeds you are likely to encounter. It all depends on the profile of the wing, placement, and angle of attack. To work properly, a wing needs to be at least as far from the car's bodywork as the length of the wing from leading to trailing edge.

Yes, on a 1992 rusty ass civic with a fart can and character decals it's pretty stupid, but to say it has absolutely no purpose is simply incorrect.

But hey, why let a little thing like facts get in the way of some good ol' ricer bashing.

Ok.

First, I didn't say it had absolutely no purpose. You can always add one for looks I suppose.

Second...can you backup your statement with numbers? How much downforce can be generated at speeds less than 80mph?

I ask, because I saw an article online where they measured downforce of many aftermarket wings...and the results were less than 20lbs of force at speeds under 90mph. I wish I could find the damn link...

Here is my point: A FWD car is only going to be able to take a corner so fast...even on a track. At the speeds that a FWD street car will be taking corners, the downforce produced by the wing is minimal at best.

The numbers will vary wildly depending on so many different factors.

1. Wing profile - Is the wing just a curved piece of metal, or does it have a real wing profile, like those on an airplane (ie, is it an airfoil)? A properly designed airfoil needs very little airspeed to develop lift, or in this case, downforce.

2. Placement - Where is the wing placed on the vehicle? Is it far enough away from the car to be out of the slipstream? It should be. A wing needs to be at least 1 chord, preferably 2, away from the car's body. A chord, BTW, is the distance from the leading to trailing edge of a wing.

3. Angle of attack - A slight downward angle is pretty standard for a car. Too much and it becomes an impediment to airflow. Too little and it doesn't generate enough force. Too much in the wrong direction could produce lift (bad).

Give me some parameters to work with and I'll be happy to get you some numbers. If you are just feelin' froggy and want to play with the numbers some, most of the formulas can be found with a little poking around.

I have links to a few different resources, but I can't post 'em yet due to some restriction on this forum. Apparently N00BS aren't to be trusted with the awesome power of the hyperlink.

wow, i dont know where you guys see all these riced out hondas, cause i hardly see any.the majority i see around my town is domestic rice (or whatever you call a riced out domestic).

i'd personally buy a honda and mod it for track use. swapped honda + turbo = easy mid - low 13's and possibly high 12's on stock internals.

How about this...if you want to crunch a few numbers...try what you consider to be the ideal setup on a Honda Civic coupe, and see what you get. Then maybe we can get a baseline for what is the ideal performance on paper.

i'm sayin', i'd rather mess up a honda than a bimmer. as in honda = project, beater, sleeper. bimmer = cruisin', ladies, and for show. after all, thats why i gotta bimmer, the s52 is just the back up for the show.

There are ricers in GR? Bastards really are everywhere

How about this...if you want to crunch a few numbers...try what you consider to be the ideal setup on a Honda Civic coupe, and see what you get. Then maybe we can get a baseline for what is the ideal performance on paper.

Still kinda tough to do, since I don't have all the exact details of a civic. But, just for kicks, I ran it anyway with some "guesstimations".

In order to calculate lift, we need 4 pieces of info

Surface area of the wing - easy to calculate, if we discard the curvature and do a simple L x W calc. Ebay shows wings from 55 - 72" long. Let's use a middle of the road value, say 60 inches. If it is 10 inches wide, that's a total suface area of 600 square inches

Coefficient of lift - Influenced by wing shape and angle of attack. Let's take a fairly efficient airfoil design, and use an angle of attack that is just short of the angle that would cause separation of flow. Separation of flow would cause a stall condition in an airplane, as it greatly increases drag while also greatly reducing the coefficient of lift. With a fairly extreme angle and a good airfoil, we should be able to get a CL of 3 or so.

Air density - I'm working with 1.2 Kilo / cubic meter, the density of dry air at sea level on a 20 degree (C) day. Of course, if you are in the mountains, it's really freaking hot/cold, or very humid the value will vary a bit

Velocity - How fast air is moving over the wing.

I'll do the calculation for 25, 50, 75, and 100 MPH, using the following formula for lift.

The formula for lift is L = 1/2CpV^2A where:

C = coefficient of lift
p = density
V = velocity
A = surface area

So, running the formula for the values provided, we get the following results

At 25MPH, a paltry 19.5Lbs of downforce is generated. Not much.

At 50MPH, we're up to 78.25Lbs. Still not a huge number, but the lower end of what could have a noticeable effect

At 75MPH, we get 176.08Lbs. This is a decent amount of downforce and will have an appreciable impact on how a car behaves, especially in a light little thing like a civic.

At 100MPH, 313.03Lbs is generated. Not that anybody is going to be taking curves in a civic at 100, but you can see at higher freeway speeds the wing could have a big impact. It could help offset the tendency of a lighter car to become "floaty" at speed.



Anyway, there you go :-)

There are ricers in GR? Bastards really are everywhere Yea, look around in the suburbs, they are a huge eyesore in my community:shifty

hey...i have a shocker sticker lol

There already is one, it's called like "The Life of Streetracer" or something like that..lol

If I'm thinking of what your talking about, its called True Life: Im a street racer. Its a documentary series MTV does on sects of people within our society.

At 75MPH, we get 176.08Lbs. This is a decent amount of downforce and will have an appreciable impact on how a car behaves, especially in a light little thing like a civic.That is not bad...in ideal, on paper, circumstances you are calculating a downforce of almost 177lbs at 75mph.

Now I guess my next question is how often a guy who slaps a wing on a car in the real world comes anywhere close to that number?

I'm also wondering....would the trunk of a Civic take that kind of downforce without denting? I sure would *never* try to sit on the trunk of a car and I weigh 180lbs...and my force is spread across my arse...not on a few small mounting points common to most crappy wings out there.

Thanks for the info, its very interesting, and different from the other article I read.

Yeah, this is kind of an optimized example. Most people never bother to set the angle right, they just bolt it on and adjust it until it looks kewl.

Also, 90% of the aluminum wings you see on cars aren't a good airfoil design and have supports that are way too short. And even if it was perfect, they most likely haven't tuned their suspension to take advantage of it.

So, yeah, after all that, I've come around. A wing CAN be useful, but for most of the cars out there it is strictly an ugly cosmetic mod.

Big wing == 98% rice probability

:-)

It's just the wing + FWD = useless fallacy that I was trying to bust. That, and physics is kinda fun. Haven't had a chance to bust that stuff out since school.

I have a theory on the creation of the Ricer virus. I believe the outbreak started in Japan shortly after the release of the hit anime Initial D, a cartoon that features an underdog teenage driver in a sleeper Toyota. The Ricer virus spread rapidly from Japan with the aid of the television. Ever since the early 1990's the desire to create a fast car from something that is not fast by nature has been a popular trend among the youth of the world, however only a select minority can actually achieve Takumi's status in Initial D.

Are you kidding me?

Because american kids didnt take 32 Fords from the junk yard and race the flathead 4cyl motors? Have you taken a look at domestic rice from the 70's?

Shag carpets, fuzzy dice, LSD flame jobs...."pipes" billet EVERYTHING all the more gear to make their 18 sec beast perform

Rice is not a japanese problem --- rice is a HUMAN problem that runs rampant here because american youth follows trends like sheep

How many suburban white kids listen to rap? Wear FUBU? Speak like ghetto idiots?

Thats rice, just in a more social form of it....

Its not the cars --- its the youth

I have been racing Hondas since 1995 and I can assure you ricers are poseurs who WANT to fit in and LOOK like fast

Most hardcore gearheads are the same --- minimal body mods, tons of performance mods

The flashy stuff gets picked up because of the media and the suburban "ghetto" kids think its "cool" and want to fit in.....but they are ignorant to motorsports and will remain that way

On the street its easy to find rice from any make/model but when you go to HPDEs,SCCA events, NHRA, IDRC etc....the rice is almost nowhere to be found

My friends 600+whp Civic has a lip spoiler and 17" wheels other than that is relatively stock on the outside.....the majority of racers like us are hard to spot unless you see the car perform or know us personally

Rice is easy to spot and thus seems to follow Japanese racers wherever they go on the street.....not to the track amazingly (most of the time)

I think the funniest rice is the domestic rice....a 95 Chevy Cavi with a 3ft wing....at least the civic has some hope with mods..

You should have offered him one of these....
I deffinately will be dispersing those by tommorow

Are you kidding me?

Because american kids didnt take 32 Fords from the junk yard and race the flathead 4cyl motors? Have you taken a look at domestic rice from the 70's?

Shag carpets, fuzzy dice, LSD flame jobs...."pipes" billet EVERYTHING all the more gear to make their 18 sec beast perform

Rice is not a japanese problem --- rice is a HUMAN problem that runs rampant here because american youth follows trends like sheep

How many suburban white kids listen to rap? Wear FUBU? Speak like ghetto idiots?

Thats rice, just in a more social form of it....

Its not the cars --- its the youth

I have been racing Hondas since 1995 and I can assure you ricers are poseurs who WANT to fit in and LOOK like fast

Most hardcore gearheads are the same --- minimal body mods, tons of performance mods

The flashy stuff gets picked up because of the media and the suburban "ghetto" kids think its "cool" and want to fit in.....but they are ignorant to motorsports and will remain that way

On the street its easy to find rice from any make/model but when you go to HPDEs,SCCA events, NHRA, IDRC etc....the rice is almost nowhere to be found

My friends 600+whp Civic has a lip spoiler and 17" wheels other than that is relatively stock on the outside.....the majority of racers like us are hard to spot unless you see the car perform or know us personally

Rice is easy to spot and thus seems to follow Japanese racers wherever they go on the street.....not to the track amazingly (most of the time)

I think the funniest rice is the domestic rice....a 95 Chevy Cavi with a 3ft wing....at least the civic has some hope with mods..

+1

good post sergEG

People will do as they wish.
Blame TV..fads..peoples imagination..ahha pimp my ride is a prefect example of going too far...and thats why I love the show..its ridiculous..over the top madness...I would never do the things they would..but some would.

I know your venting your frustrations but seriously GET OVER IT.

wow, i dont know where you guys see all these riced out hondas, cause i hardly see any.the majority i see around my town is domestic rice (or whatever you call a riced out domestic).

i'd personally buy a honda and mod it for track use. swapped honda + turbo = easy mid - low 13's and possibly high 12's on stock internals.

Turbo'd = low 13's/high 12's
Swapped and turbo'd = low 12's/high 11's on stock internals

[QUOTE=decepticons7;9147695I know your venting your frustrations but seriously GET OVER IT.[/QUOTE]

The same could be said of the OP

Why cry about rice only to egg them on by giving into them?

Catch 22

The same could be said of the OP

Why cry about rice only to egg them on by giving into them?

Catch 22


exactly...


p.s. I was a proud owner of ek-9 until somebody wanted it more than me.

I'm going to put on my '92 318i, M3 bumpers, M3 sideskirts, M3 mirrors, M3 spoiler, M3 logo on the rear, and even an M3 exaust tip, and then i will race all of you 5 and 7 series owners. Then we will see who laughs in the end.

I'm going to put on my '92 318i, M3 bumpers, M3 sideskirts, M3 mirrors, M3 spoiler, M3 logo on the rear, and even an M3 exaust tip, and then i will race all of you 5 and 7 series owners. Then we will see who laughs in the end.

Not sure where your going with this...but you go ahead and do that.

Not sure where your going with this...but you go ahead and do that.

LOL.
What will my car be called, since it's from Germany?

LOL.
What will my car be called, since it's from Germany?

krautburner .

i dont think ill understand ricers (and yes i know not every jap car is rice) .i dont know what's worse , the look or them flying by me going 80 in a 35 zone

whenever i see a ricer i like to give them directions to the airport. most of the time they are of the mexican heritage and cant understand me. found this video.
cant post links... but uhm if you go to google and search the videos for 'imv films' and find the 'infamous orlando supra meet...' and go to the end of the video (about 4:40) you;; see what im talking about the airport.

whenever i see a ricer i like to give them directions to the airport. most of the time they are of the mexican heritage and cant understand me. found this video.
cant post links... but uhm if you go to google and search the videos for 'imv films' and find the 'infamous orlando supra meet...' and go to the end of the video (about 4:40) you;; see what im talking about the airport.

are you speaking of the guy that gives the girl in the prelude directions to the airport and she flips s**t?

Hey man...well I read ONLY the first post, figured I would comment while its on the tips of my fingertips.

I just signed up with the forum this week..but have been in the car scene for a while now. I personally just picked up a 1980 BMW 320i - next project car ( I am adding that so you don't think I am being biased )

Anyway my first car ( which I still own ) happens to be a Honda Civic --you know those CRAPPY cars you meantioned LOL- but I'm not affected by your comment negatively. here's a pic http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/view/520850_2e9e7

I know how you feel- there are a bunch of young punk ricers out there I agree normally the ones trying to race and even struggling to do " a fly-by " at 65mph = GAY!!

Let me get to the point- I have met this ( stereotypically ricers ) that drive VW, Nissans, BMW, Geometro's, Mazda's, mustangs.... yada yada yada Its about the person. Just becuase I have a Civic thats been modified ( which mind you 200whp w/ STOCK jdm motor- not much but NOT 100 LOL and wasnt building a race car for F1) doesn't mean I am a ricer.And if I am in my bimmer would you think the same?? I just want to keep this thread openminded. OKAY I'm also bored at work and can't even remember the real purpose of writing this...CARRY ON :)

-Heather

Hey man...well I read ONLY the first post, figured I would comment while its on the tips of my fingertips.

I just signed up with the forum this week..but have been in the car scene for a while now. I personally just picked up a 1980 BMW 320i - next project car ( I am adding that so you don't think I am being biased )

Anyway my first car ( which I still own ) happens to be a Honda Civic --you know those CRAPPY cars you meantioned LOL- but I'm not affected by your comment negatively. here's a pic http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/view/520850_2e9e7

I know how you feel- there are a bunch of young punk ricers out there I agree normally the ones trying to race and even struggling to do " a fly-by " at 65mph = GAY!!

Let me get to the point- I have met this ( stereotypically ricers ) that drive VW, Nissans, BMW, Geometro's, Mazda's, mustangs.... yada yada yada Its about the person. Just becuase I have a Civic thats been modified ( which mind you 200whp w/ STOCK jdm motor- not much but NOT 100 LOL and wasnt building a race car for F1) doesn't mean I am a ricer.And if I am in my bimmer would you think the same?? I just want to keep this thread openminded. OKAY I'm also bored at work and can't even remember the real purpose of writing this...CARRY ON :)

-Heather


Clean. b18 motor? I forgot what blue top was, or if there is even a jdm blue cover or if you painted it.

Love the kitty pics too. :rofl

hwh22hx the civic you posted is a good looking car. You didn't overdo it with huge wings and neon lights everywhere.
I personally think that the term "ricer" is for all the cars out there that are overkills.

Clean. b18 motor? I forgot what blue top was, or if there is even a jdm blue cover or if you painted it.

Love the kitty pics too. :rofl


:stickoutt ...I have rarely upload there but I don't beleive this site has a uploader..anyways

motor is a JDM H22...I painted the cover. Thanks though :)

hwh22hx the civic you posted is a good looking car. You didn't overdo it with huge wings and neon lights everywhere.
I personally think that the term "ricer" is for all the cars out there that are overkills.


I agree with you and thanks for the comments( I try to keep it clean & simple ). I started writing that post and practically lost what I was trying to say while typing but I hope you guys got the drift.

I agree with you and thanks for the comments( I try to keep it clean & simple ). I started writing that post and practically lost what I was trying to say while typing but I hope you guys got the drift.

What was mounted in the steel plate you can see through the spaces in the front bumper?

What was mounted in the steel plate you can see through the spaces in the front bumper?

hmm..if you talking about where the mouth of the bumper is that is just a typical stock bumper nothing mounted there. I guess from the angle it looks different, if you don't know the car well enough to notice.

are you speaking of the guy that gives the girl in the prelude directions to the airport and she flips s**t?
yes.

YAA I hear some of those cars have 5 turbos!! just kiddin just kiddin. I am going to weld up an exhaust out of coffee cans and put it on my exhaust for a day...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/uaiethfh/DO86AAAPA79J55G.jpg
explain please

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/uaiethfh/DO86AAAPA79J55G.jpg
explain please

HAHAHaaaaaaaaaahaa...this masterpiece was done via PAINT toolshop, where I create my collections. JK ---making fun of a friend and his cats --I think it came hand in hand with the cat pic in my files. ( this was on another forum ) I don't really think there is any good explaination for this though. BUT I got a good laugh out of it!

I'm starting to lose respect for ricers as a whole, even the ones who drive the legitimately fast cars... I'm sorry hwh22hx, the Honda you posted is really badass and genuinely good looking (and probably really fast to boot!).

The problem is every time I see an awesome import, I see 5 buddies tagging along in turd burglar cars with wings and bazooka exhausts. Those guys undo all the coolness of the one awesome import.

It's like one of the imports finally turned into a beautiful butterfly but the rest are still tragically lost in eternal metamorphosis.

By my home in South Charlotte, the local import people would meet at a wealthy strip mall, exchange drugs/drink alcohol as a minor/go on and street race in the most OBVIOUS of places. The Charlotte cops busted them and seized over ten cars... sadly it ruins it for all of us, and finding a cruise-in around south Charlotte is practically impossible. Park more than one sports car in a lot and the cops come...

This isn't just an import thing, though. All makes have their version of the "ricer," though the imports certainly have the worst case of this disease. I've seen plenty of fellow 'vette drivers who need help (probably myself included).

at stonecrest

lol that was great

where in south Charlotte your vette looks vaguely familiar

I'm starting to lose respect for ricers as a whole, even the ones who drive the legitimately fast cars... I'm sorry hwh22hx, the Honda you posted is really badass and genuinely good looking (and probably really fast to boot!).

The problem is every time I see an awesome import, I see 5 buddies tagging along in turd burglar cars with wings and bazooka exhausts. Those guys undo all the coolness of the one awesome import.

It's like one of the imports finally turned into a beautiful butterfly but the rest are still tragically lost in eternal metamorphosis.

By my home in South Charlotte, the local import people would meet at a wealthy strip mall, exchange drugs/drink alcohol as a minor/go on and street race in the most OBVIOUS of places. The Charlotte cops busted them and seized over ten cars... sadly it ruins it for all of us, and finding a cruise-in around south Charlotte is practically impossible. Park more than one sports car in a lot and the cops come...

This isn't just an import thing, though. All makes have their version of the "ricer," though the imports certainly have the worst case of this disease. I've seen plenty of fellow 'vette drivers who need help (probably myself included).

+1

Great post...it only takes one!

after spending hundreds/thousands on mods for their cars, they're curious to see if it really did make much of a difference. but stories like these just prove us they don't. ^_^

at stonecrest

lol that was great

where in south Charlotte your vette looks vaguely familiar

I live in GA but my family lives over by Panera Bread at Johnston Road, I'll be driving up there tomorrow night for Easter weekend. I usually make it to Charlotte for most of the weekends.

The pictures from the Stonecrest bust were hilarious, I think they were on carolinarides.com a while back...

I tend to agree with you KMK454.. the import scene specifically has always had the rice factors...and your right those "ricers" can ruin anyones take on a decent looking car.
Personally, I live in Pittsburgh PA and I find it to just be SAD... everywhere ( parking lot, gas station, mall ) there are kids doing burnouts,racing for stop sign to stop sign, revin their grocery getters with aluminum wings...do I need to go on. I can say though that around here we get every car on the market that puts them on the list as "rice". I hate it!

I don't know what's wrong with you guys but rice is the SHIZZZNIITE!


I just ordered a brand new HUGE aluminum wing that will make 3lbs of downforce when i hit the limiter in 4th at 110mph, it's gonna be SICK.

don't get many ricers here in sa.. people try.. but they couldnt beat a 316i e36 without wheels

I don't know what's wrong with you guys but rice is the SHIZZZNIITE!


I just ordered a brand new HUGE aluminum wing that will make 3lbs of downforce when i hit the limiter in 4th at 110mph, it's gonna be SICK.


Screw your downforce. UPforce is where it's at

man you guys got nothin, around here we got guys with metal spoilers on top of the factory spoilers! on fwd cars! they are set for up to 300 mph with that set up! lol.
some times i wonder what is going through there heads.

The ultimate respect I have is for the guy who comes full circle and makes his car look like a POS ricer (dents, primer, big wing, nasty), but yet is running 12s. In this way it is a tremendous sleeper. I just read two posts (from different cities) where Trailblazer SSs had their SSs handed to them by such cars. It's cool to me when a guy builds a stealth car like that.

All your answers to the rice mystry are right here.
http://howto.thetunafish.com/?p=21
Follow these easy steps and in no time you to can be a STREET RACER!!!
:D

Ricer (ry-sur). Noun. One who puts a loud pipe on Mom and Dad's old Honda to show that they are neither Mom, nor Dad. In 1974, it was loud cherry bombs and Crager's on Mom and Dad's old Country Squire wagon. Principally only the brands have changed. On a detail level, newer advents are the "fly-by," Asian stickers, and wings. These replace the chrome barefoot accelerator pedal, Lynyrd Skynyrd stickers and roach clips.

lol
right on.

Ricers, Rice, Riceboy, ...All of it is a horrible, uncurable disease.
Its spread by buying a japanese import car, ( usually of the cheaper low horsepower strain, but the disease can be transmited even through some european small cars and american small cars lately)
It causes the ricer to get brain damage and think he is the only car on the road, and is faster than everyone else. They get really pissed off when a real car ( or truck, or minivan, or moped,) blows their doors off in their cultered "race" from light to light. The disease also has some sideeffects, including a rash & blemishes that look like imitation carbonfiber, poorly formed fiberglass, lots of " R " shaped stickers, and loud, crappy, sounding open sores that form on the butt of their cars, usually from 2 to 6 inches diameter.
Also the infected tend to go deaf, and have to need to play loud ambient noise on stereos. They tend to go gay aswell, and like to display lots of colored lights on their crappy cars. :alright

ricers are there for our bimmers to walk all over.:)

I can't say anything since i own a '92 318i. :( Most of them car on the road would beat it.:(

I can't say anything since i own a '92 318i. :( Most of them car on the road would beat it.:(
Oh, don't say that. I was still able to beat eclipses and old civics with my 1.8 Altima, with a crushed pass. door and 220,000+ miles on it.

Here is THE definition for a "ricer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

if you have the time, it is actually quite funny...

Here is THE definition for a "ricer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner I love it! So true.

Still kinda tough to do, since I don't have all the exact details of a civic. But, just for kicks, I ran it anyway with some "guesstimations".

In order to calculate lift, we need 4 pieces of info

Surface area of the wing - easy to calculate, if we discard the curvature and do a simple L x W calc. Ebay shows wings from 55 - 72" long. Let's use a middle of the road value, say 60 inches. If it is 10 inches wide, that's a total suface area of 600 square inches

Coefficient of lift - Influenced by wing shape and angle of attack. Let's take a fairly efficient airfoil design, and use an angle of attack that is just short of the angle that would cause separation of flow. Separation of flow would cause a stall condition in an airplane, as it greatly increases drag while also greatly reducing the coefficient of lift. With a fairly extreme angle and a good airfoil, we should be able to get a CL of 3 or so.

Air density - I'm working with 1.2 Kilo / cubic meter, the density of dry air at sea level on a 20 degree (C) day. Of course, if you are in the mountains, it's really freaking hot/cold, or very humid the value will vary a bit

Velocity - How fast air is moving over the wing.

I'll do the calculation for 25, 50, 75, and 100 MPH, using the following formula for lift.

The formula for lift is L = 1/2CpV^2A where:

C = coefficient of lift
p = density
V = velocity
A = surface area

So, running the formula for the values provided, we get the following results

At 25MPH, a paltry 19.5Lbs of downforce is generated. Not much.

At 50MPH, we're up to 78.25Lbs. Still not a huge number, but the lower end of what could have a noticeable effect

At 75MPH, we get 176.08Lbs. This is a decent amount of downforce and will have an appreciable impact on how a car behaves, especially in a light little thing like a civic.

At 100MPH, 313.03Lbs is generated. Not that anybody is going to be taking curves in a civic at 100, but you can see at higher freeway speeds the wing could have a big impact. It could help offset the tendency of a lighter car to become "floaty" at speed.



Anyway, there you go :-)

Ok... Agreed. But 313 lbs on the trunk. Not above the driving or steering wheels where you want force.

Good point...if the wing is mounted too far to the rear...you will actually produce leverage upward on the front tires...

Are you kidding me?

Because american kids didnt take 32 Fords from the junk yard and race the flathead 4cyl motors? Have you taken a look at domestic rice from the 70's?



Nope, too young, thank God

Hrmmm... yeah ricers are stupid... hell modding a car that makes around 100hp is pretty stupid.

Then again, if you are into that sort of thing, and you do it tastefully, ie; no huge wing, stupid tails, fake xenon, and the bad fart can... oh and you do it on a decent car, then I can respect that. But if its on your '92 civic that has a crap ass paint job and 200k... well I would rather walk.

Hrmmm... yeah ricers are stupid... hell modding a car that makes around 100hp is pretty stupid.

Then again, if you are into that sort of thing, and you do it tastefully, ie; no huge wing, stupid tails, fake xenon, and the bad fart can... oh and you do it on a decent car, then I can respect that. But if its on your '92 civic that has a crap ass paint job and 200k... well I would rather walk.

Just wondering if you thought before you actually posted this...you seem to be iggnorant to the fact that there are probably 5 92' civics ( to your 1 vehicle ) out there that could be easily putting down 400hp+ that would more than likely blow your doors off. SO hmmm I guess ( by your statement above ) you would rather choose to be in a turd that was a 2000+ model rather than actually making some real heads turn with a well built car no matter what it may be.?? Based on you choice of vehicle's it seems that you contradict what you say.

I will admit of course I DO agree with your statement about the cheesy mods ( wing, tails, neons ) that some decide to go with. More than likely though, you won't find to many combinations of both: the uneccassary accessories and a well build street car together.

The term Ricer / Rice refers to an age group. There is a Honda group here in the Tampa area that are running NA cars that are simply insane but they are also in their 30's and up. Yes, they are Honda's and they are modified but they are far from anything regarding the term Rice. I personally despise the label. No wonder we are subjected to so many acts of vandalism. :nono

Ok... Agreed. But 313 lbs on the trunk. Not above the driving or steering wheels where you want force.

Doesn't matter. The purpose of downforce at speed isn't to push down on the drive wheels exclusively. In a front heavy FWD car, downforce on the rear of the vehicle can balance it out.

Too many people dont know SQUAT about vehicle dynamics but say "on a fwd car even"

downforce is downforce......traction for drive wheels is needed at LAUNCH more than rolling but a wing does ZERO at a standstill

When you are traveling at high speeds ALL CARS will experience LIFT at both the front AND rear of the vehicle

A wing on the rear works for both a fwd car and rwd car.....a 2300lb car at 100+mph will need downforce for stability to counteract the lift as speeds increase....the 200mph Civic Si has quite a nice rear wing and front aero to combat the effects.....imagine that, even on a fwd car

Rear lift is rear lift....it happens on all cars.....the less pressure on the rear wheels the easier it is to lose traction....lose rear traction on any car going 100+mph and your day may turn really bad quickly

Aero is aero....there are some subtle differences but to say a fwd car doesnt need a rear spoiler is flat wrong.....traction is key to control....fwd or not

i cant tell you what any car is just by the light from the headlights from about a 1/2 mile and when said car has eyelids i can tell you that it is rice from about a 1/2 mile.

A wing on the rear works for both a fwd car and rwd car.....a 2300lb car at 100+mph will need downforce for stability to counteract the lift as speeds increase....the 200mph Civic Si has quite a nice rear wing and front aero to combat the effects.....imagine that, even on a fwd car

Right...that is why Nascar cars all have wings?

The SI has a wing to make $$....not for performance.

The practicality of a wing under 100mph is negligible at best, even assuming proper placement....if you are saying that one is beneficial over 100mph...I guess I can agree: But who the hell needs to increase 100mph+ performance on a STREET CAR???

I am absolutely done arguing this, unsubscribed.

At least ricers aren't afraid to be original unlike all us BMW owners doing the same exact things to our cars...