After speaking with 2 dealers that are close friends as well as business associates (Continental Motors in Southern CA and N Scottsdale BMW AZ ) I am stepping up to say that I believe this overheating business is nothing more than a plot by rival manufacturers and BMW "haters" to cast doubt in the minds of 335 owners and potential customers. This is nothing more than fear mongering guerilla tactics being used by rival manufacturers DONT BUY INTO IT. There is no overheating "problem" though there may actually be a few actual vehicles that have experienced a faulty sensor or even a faulty water pump this is not a trend, it is simply a scare tactic being employed by those that are trying to stem the tide of 335 sales in the US and abroad. N Scottsdale BMW takes 160 service customers a day, my rep Ali has indicated there are ZERO maintenance trends at this time with 5 months of time to record any such events. Ziggy at Continental has the same to say with no records of any "trends".
So don't believe the hype and don't buy into the fear, the sky is not falling.

what would you expect a car dealer to say ? "oh yea they overheat all the time, but they are great cars!

my dealership in ny said the same thing, plenty of sales and not a single complaint, my mom just got a lease a ona 335i coupe SG on beige interior...hehe...itll be here in june

what would you expect a car dealer to say ? "oh yea they overheat all the time, but they are great cars!

Ziggy was my friend for 4 years before we even did business for the first time.

I just posted this in another heat thread:

My buddy just called me...

He picked up a 335 recently, about 2 weeks ago. He finally got around to getting some miles on it, and drove to Vegas today. He told me that he "pushed" the car in the open desert to about 140MPH today, and that his oil gauge went up to 290 degrees before he immediately slowed down. He was asking me if that was normal... lol

So I told him about this thread, and apparently it IS a problem that everybody is experiencing! His is an automatic as well, odered at the end of January, delivered a few weeks ago.

Sorry, but it's NOT BS, and most of us aren't the "competition" or "haters"... are you just in denial about it, or what?

Denying it, doesn't make it go away...

I just posted this in another heat thread:

My buddy just called me...

He picked up a 335 recently, about 2 weeks ago. He finally got around to getting some miles on it, and drove to Vegas today. He told me that he "pushed" the car in the open desert to about 140MPH today, and that his oil gauge went up to 290 degrees before he immediately slowed down. He was asking me if that was normal... lol

So I told him about this thread, and apparently it IS a problem that everybody is experiencing! His is an automatic as well, odered at the end of January, delivered a few weeks ago.

Sorry, but it's NOT BS, and most of us aren't the "competition" or "haters"... are you just in denial about it, or what?

Denying it, doesn't make it go away...
converted I am not talking about taking a car to 96% of it's performance potential and when it overtemps crying that it's a design flaw because it isn't. It's the people attempting to defame BMW with allegations of a design flaw. This is a German engineered vehicle that has gone through the same trials as any other product they put to market, if there were any indications of an overheating issue do you honestly believe they would put it to market? Of course they wouldn't, the success of the 335 doesn't make or break BMW, they didn't have to rush it to market, they trials were done, I'm sure as with any car there were flaws found and remedied. Fact is when you take ANY vehicle to it's limits it will exhibit signs of stress, I don't care if it's a Ferrari or a Maybach. I've done my research for over a week now and I stand by my findings. What research have you done sir, aside from information from your 1 friend?

converted I am not talking about taking a car to 96% of it's performance potential and when it overtemps crying that it's a design flaw because it isn't. It's the people attempting to defame BMW with allegations of a design flaw. This is a German engineered vehicle that has gone through the same trials as any other product they put to market, if there were any indications of an overheating issue do you honestly believe they would put it to market? Of course they wouldn't, the success of the 335 doesn't make or break BMW, they didn't have to rush it to market, they trials were done, I'm sure as with any car there were flaws found and remedied. Fact is when you take ANY vehicle to it's limits it will exhibit signs of stress, I don't care if it's a Ferrari or a Maybach. I've done my research for over a week now and I stand by my findings. What research have you done sir, aside from information from your 1 friend?
I had a bone stock WRX, that I went up to 145MPH in... the temp. didn't even budge...

The thing is, if the limiter is set at 150MPH, then the car should be able to do 150MPH safely, without overheating. If not, they need to either lower the governor, or find a temperature fix.

I've taken pretty much every car I've owned at one point, to it's max speed, and never seen this problem. Let alone guys that want to race in on track days.

Secondly, you're making a huge deal out of something that isn't. Yes, overheating is a problem, but this is the first model year of this design, and I'm 100000% positive this will be corrected in the coming years.

I had a bone stock WRX, that I went up to 145MPH in... the temp. didn't even budge...

The thing is, if the limiter is set at 150MPH, then the car should be able to do 150MPH safely, without overheating. If not, they need to either lower the governor, or find a temperature fix.

I've taken pretty much every car I've owned at one point, to it's max speed, and never seen this problem. Let alone guys that want to race in on track days.

Secondly, you're making a huge deal out of something that isn't. Yes, overheating is a problem, but this is the first model year of this design, and I'm 100000% positive this will be corrected in the coming years.
It's not a huge deal, it's not a "deal" at all. It's isolated instances being made out to be a big deal. It's a non issue aside from some people looking to defame an automaker.

I dunno whether to laugh or cry at the amount of stupidity in this thread.

I could not get GOZ 2 11's 335 to overheat. Even against that nasty Skyline.

I'm gonna leave this whole over heating issue to the birds, I'm stressing over it to much. I have had BMW North America admit to me today they know of the problem and are working on it. They mentioned nothing of a plot or conspiracy to destroy the corporations name. That to me justifies everything people are saying about the issue. However I'm done, I refuse to give myself a heart attack over a car. If it blows it blows I'll let the warranty cover it.

BMW north Scottsdale doesn't know much of the issue YET, I repeat YET. In fact they seemed rather surprised I was told by BMW corp there is problem. Don't surprise me the SA's are like robots they look for bulletins, smile as much as possible and go home at 6pm. Most that have leased or purchased this car probably talk on the cell and don't care of engine temps, maybe I should get a cell phone LOL! I have got nothing but top notch service from BMW north Scottsdale, if anything goes south they will fix it.

Hate to say it, but I'm logging off the forums for a while no need to be here with all the negative stuff going round I'm better off not reading it. Take care all and have a nice day............

I dunno whether to laugh or cry at the amount of stupidity in this thread.

How about you show an ounce of intellect and give a real opinion rather then a snide sentence like a troll.

How about you show an ounce of intellect and give a real opinion rather then a snide sentence like a troll.


:lol

Okay, I guess I'll laugh. I find it funny that some cluebie with 60 some post is wondering if a guy who's been actively contributing here for over 4 years and 2,000+ informative posts is trolling.

No offense, but you're in WAY over your head. The evidence of overheating twin turbo 3.0s here in the states is no longer just anecdotal evidence. I wouldn't call it overwhelming yet, but if you plan on taking the car to the track, think twice about some of the warmer tracks. Unless BMW is willing to call operating temperatures in the 300s "normal" I think they have a problem of Nikasil or S54 Rod Bearing proportions on their hands, if this isn't addressed quickly.

I just posted this in another heat thread:

My buddy just called me...

He picked up a 335 recently, about 2 weeks ago. He finally got around to getting some miles on it, and drove to Vegas today. He told me that he "pushed" the car in the open desert to about 140MPH today, and that his oil gauge went up to 290 degrees before he immediately slowed down. He was asking me if that was normal... lol

So I told him about this thread, and apparently it IS a problem that everybody is experiencing! His is an automatic as well, odered at the end of January, delivered a few weeks ago.

Sorry, but it's NOT BS, and most of us aren't the "competition" or "haters"... are you just in denial about it, or what?

Denying it, doesn't make it go away...


I cruised my car over 800 miles in 6 days at mostly 125 plus on the Autobahn in Germany and switzerland and never got above maybe 250, but then again it was pretty cool out. I am very interested to see what happens when the summer hits.

:lol

Okay, I guess I'll laugh. I find it funny that some cluebie with 60 some post is wondering if a guy who's been actively contributing here for over 4 years and 2,000+ informative posts is trolling.

No offense, but you're in WAY over your head. The evidence of overheating twin turbo 3.0s here in the states is no longer just anecdotal evidence. I wouldn't call it overwhelming yet, but if you plan on taking the car to the track, think twice about some of the warmer tracks. Unless BMW is willing to call operating temperatures in the 300s "normal" I think they have a problem of Nikasil or S54 Rod Bearing proportions on their hands, if this isn't addressed quickly.

Post count or time on a board doesn't make you correct but nice try. And as far as Way over my head whatever, where is your research, we've had a couple of posts on this board not much on E 90 yet it's overwhelming? Nice spin but I don't buy it. I am in AZ, one of the hottest places on the planet and a very close associate ( Ali) tells me he's had no cases??? I have another friend @ Continental motors ( Ziggy ) that has the same report??? Overwhelming as you put it is when there are dozens upon dozens of reports. It's not happening and all you naysaying people are doing and creating unnecessary hysteria.
Noobie to this board or not, if you want to have a battle of wits with me you probably should load your wit gun......:rolleyes

I'm gonna leave this whole over heating issue to the birds, I'm stressing over it to much. I have had BMW North America admit to me today they know of the problem and are working on it. They mentioned nothing of a plot or conspiracy to destroy the corporations name. That to me justifies everything people are saying about the issue. However I'm done, I refuse to give myself a heart attack over a car. If it blows it blows I'll let the warranty cover it.

BMW north Scottsdale doesn't know much of the issue YET, I repeat YET. In fact they seemed rather surprised I was told by BMW corp there is problem. Don't surprise me the SA's are like robots they look for bulletins, smile as much as possible and go home at 6pm. Most that have leased or purchased this car probably talk on the cell and don't care of engine temps, maybe I should get a cell phone LOL! I have got nothing but top notch service from BMW north Scottsdale, if anything goes south they will fix it.

Hate to say it, but I'm logging off the forums for a while no need to be here with all the negative stuff going round I'm better off not reading it. Take care all and have a nice day............
Call Ali in the morning, he will tell you exactly what he told me, speak with the service manager as well. I can't recall his name though.

I'm glad I have a 7 yr extended warranty...if it truly is a problem, someone will correct it...My TT had small glitches the first yr of production and everything was fixed to my satisfaction. This should be no different I assume....

I'm glad I have a 7 yr extended warranty...if it truly is a problem, someone will correct it...My TT had small glitches the first yr of production and everything was fixed to my satisfaction. This should be no different I assume....

Yeah you can't go wrong with the program, I am in it as well.

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This was the best post in the thread.:lol

Lol...."plots"... "gorilla tactics"...."my sources Ziggy & Ali"
Dude, this is the bimmer forum not a spy movie. But, thanks for a great laugh,

Wait till you guys start getting to the 50k mille range and your radiator necks start blowing, BMW are notorious for shitty cooling systems

After speaking with 2 dealers that are close friends as well as business associates (Continental Motors in Southern CA and N Scottsdale BMW AZ ) I am stepping up to say that I believe this overheating business is nothing more than a plot by rival manufacturers and BMW "haters" to cast doubt in the minds of 335 owners and potential customers. This is nothing more than fear mongering guerilla tactics being used by rival manufacturers DONT BUY INTO IT. There is no overheating "problem" though there may actually be a few actual vehicles that have experienced a faulty sensor or even a faulty water pump this is not a trend, it is simply a scare tactic being employed by those that are trying to stem the tide of 335 sales in the US and abroad. N Scottsdale BMW takes 160 service customers a day, my rep Ali has indicated there are ZERO maintenance trends at this time with 5 months of time to record any such events. Ziggy at Continental has the same to say with no records of any "trends".
So don't believe the hype and don't buy into the fear, the sky is not falling.

Denial is not a river in Egypt. I have a hard time believing this problem exists. BMW would have bench and track tested the hell out of that car. But then again, they did bring out nikasil, water pumps with plastic impellers and plastic radiators that blew apart.

My car now has aluminum camshaft gears that are driven by a chain. For the sake of a few ounces I would have much preferred steel. I have a mountain bike with alumnium chain rings and I can chew through them in a season where there is nothing left and all the teeth are rounded and the chain skips.

I think BMW is too obsessed with weight in the wrong areas. They should be using more aluminum in the body and chassis.

Aluminum camshaft gears just do not make any sense!!!

After speaking with 2 dealers that are close friends as well as business associates (Continental Motors in Southern CA and N Scottsdale BMW AZ ) I am stepping up to say that I believe this overheating business is nothing more than a plot by rival manufacturers and BMW "haters" to cast doubt in the minds of 335 owners and potential customers. This is nothing more than fear mongering guerilla tactics being used by rival manufacturers DONT BUY INTO IT. There is no overheating "problem" though there may actually be a few actual vehicles that have experienced a faulty sensor or even a faulty water pump this is not a trend, it is simply a scare tactic being employed by those that are trying to stem the tide of 335 sales in the US and abroad. N Scottsdale BMW takes 160 service customers a day, my rep Ali has indicated there are ZERO maintenance trends at this time with 5 months of time to record any such events. Ziggy at Continental has the same to say with no records of any "trends".
So don't believe the hype and don't buy into the fear, the sky is not falling.

Is this enough proof for you? A magazine test had the problem of over heating:

http://tinyurl.com/22zvhu

Driving a BMW hard enough to raise the temperature of the engine above normal, may be beyond your abilities and you may never experience over heating. But if this is the case, you should have bought a 325 or used 318i.

Lol...."plots"... "gorilla tactics"...."my sources Ziggy & Ali"

Uh, that would be "guerilla tactics"...unless you think a hairy ape is behind all this.

Is this enough proof for you? A magazine test had the problem of over heating:

http://tinyurl.com/22zvhu

Driving a BMW hard enough to raise the temperature of the engine above normal, may be beyond your abilities and you may never experience over heating. But if this is the case, you should have bought a 325 or used 318i.

An online-site review and and one where the test vehicle was provided by the competition? And I'm not being reasonable?

Guys even "God" makes mistakes. Look at Michael Jackson. I have a 335i AT I have hit 290 oil temp with just 80-90 mph for 40 minutes. I'm not losing any sleep over it. If BMW made a boo-boo on the oil coolers and my engine has a "problem" from high oil temp guess who pays to fix it. Not Me! I just drive the car and smile all day.

My god!!

Michael Jackson and King Kong are behind all of this ?

Love to see BMW moonwalk their way out of this one.

Looking to get a CPO E90....came across this interesting thread.

Hope the issue is resolved by the time I buy.

Anyone know how the ( Now discontinued ) E90 325i/ 330i Sport is ?

Subject to the same problems ?

Makes me wonder if I should just buy another E46.

I might just do that.......after reading this.

My god!!

Michael Jackson and King Kong are behind all of this ?

Love to see BMW moonwalk their way out of this one.

Looking to get a CPO E90....came across this interesting thread.

Hope the issue is resolved by the time I buy.

Anyone know how the ( Now discontinued ) E90 325i/ 330i Sport is ?

Subject to the same problems ?

Makes me wonder if I should just buy another E46.

I might just do that.......after reading this.

Why would you want another E46? The E90 is better in every respect. Buy a 2007 328 Ci if you are are worried. More than enough power and speed to kill you if you are foolish.

This will be my first summer w/ my 335i step-tronic...if this thing starts overheating (not an issue yet) BMW better damn well put a new intercooler in my car which is under warranty for 50K miles or I'll shove this car up the dealerships a--!!!!!

I love this car but (my fuel pump already went up) if I have big maintenance issues with it over the long haul I'm switching to a Subaru like a WRX, an Infiniti or even an Audi S4...BMW's handling and looks are superb but I need more reliability out of a $45K car!!!!!!



I had a bone stock WRX, that I went up to 145MPH in... the temp. didn't even budge...

The thing is, if the limiter is set at 150MPH, then the car should be able to do 150MPH safely, without overheating. If not, they need to either lower the governor, or find a temperature fix.

I've taken pretty much every car I've owned at one point, to it's max speed, and never seen this problem. Let alone guys that want to race in on track days.

Secondly, you're making a huge deal out of something that isn't. Yes, overheating is a problem, but this is the first model year of this design, and I'm 100000% positive this will be corrected in the coming years.

Haha and audi is more reliable than BMW? MY TT had 6K of warranty related repairs!

Guys even "God" makes mistakes. Look at Michael Jackson. I have a 335i AT I have hit 290 oil temp with just 80-90 mph for 40 minutes. I'm not losing any sleep over it. If BMW made a boo-boo on the oil coolers and my engine has a "problem" from high oil temp guess who pays to fix it. Not Me! I just drive the car and smile all day.

Ditto, me as well. If you have a great relationship with your dealership and you trust them you won't have any problems. I posted this because of two reasons, suspicious posts from brand new people with suspicious claims so I dug deeper and found nothing so I brought what I had to light and got bashed for it (see no good deed goes unpunished )
Lets say hypothetically that I am wrong and 6 dozen cases of chronic overheating occour and they determine that there is a problem with part # XXXX, this is all worst case scenario but go with it.
A BMW would step up and admit it immediately
B They would fix it on their dime
Fact is there are sparse cases and some bold claims from an independant testing that has a high probability of being tainted specifically because it was conducted by a competitor FOR THE PRESS
All of you are of average if not better intelligence here, you didn't make enough money to buy one of these machines by being a dummy so act like it, think folks. If you don't recognize something that is suspicious, erroneous or just a flat out lie, at least let your fellow BMW owners point it out to try and help you even if you don't think you need it. I would expect you to do the same for me even if I didn't request it, at least it would get me thinking.
Next month we will start cresting past 100 degrees here on a daily basis, I drive like a banshee, I will let you know if there is a problem.:evil2

Ditto, me as well. If you have a great relationship with your dealership and you trust them you won't have any problems. I posted this because of two reasons, suspicious posts from brand new people with suspicious claims so I dug deeper and found nothing so I brought what I had to light and got bashed for it (see no good deed goes unpunished )
Lets say hypothetically that I am wrong and 6 dozen cases of chronic overheating occour and they determine that there is a problem with part # XXXX, this is all worst case scenario but go with it.
A BMW would step up and admit it immediately
B They would fix it on their dime
Fact is there are sparse cases and some bold claims from an independant testing that has a high probability of being tainted specifically because it was conducted by a competitor FOR THE PRESS
All of you are of average if not better intelligence here, you didn't make enough money to buy one of these machines by being a dummy so act like it, think folks. If you don't recognize something that is suspicious, erroneous or just a flat out lie, at least let your fellow BMW owners point it out to try and help you even if you don't think you need it. I would expect you to do the same for me even if I didn't request it, at least it would get me thinking.
Next month we will start cresting past 100 degrees here on a daily basis, I drive like a banshee, I will let you know if there is a problem.:evil2
+1 +2 +3:clap

Not so sure I agree that the E90 is better in "EVERY RESPECT " over the E46.

But I AM interested in the car.

The wife and I looked at the new 328i, and discussed it as a CPO

I assume it is available as a sport model.

Though, I have yet to see one with the Sport package.

The car must be a sport - with the premium and cold weather packages.

for the money, I can get another fully loaded 325i E46 Sport, and pay a great price.

The E90 328i looks like it will be a bargain as a CPO.

Now I have to convince the wife it's a better choice.

She's pushing for another E46

I want the E90 Sport

She might go for the 1 series

That could complicate things even more.

Let me know how the 328i holds up.

Thanks for the advice.

Not so sure I agree that the E90 is better in "EVERY RESPECT " over the E46.

But I AM interested in the car.

The wife and I looked at the new 328i, and discussed it as a CPO

I assume it is available as a sport model.

Though, I have yet to see one with the Sport package.

The car must be a sport - with the premium and cold weather packages.

for the money, I can get another fully loaded 325i E46 Sport, and pay a great price.

The E90 328i looks like it will be a bargain as a CPO.

Now I have to convince the wife it's a better choice.

She's pushing for another E46

I want the E90 Sport

She might go for the 1 series

That could complicate things even more.

Let me know how the 328i holds up.

Thanks for the advice.

Please. What is a CPO?

Certified Pre Owned

That's what we call, buying a great car at an even BETTER price.

Saves tons of cash over buying Brand NEW.

Throw your money out the window as soon as the car is titled and registered

That's why buying CPO is a good idea.

Of course if you want to buy new, that's your business.

Some people like brand new cars.

Nothing wrong with that

I like saving money, and look for value in a car.

It's tough to swallow, knowing that as soon as the new car is titled and

registered, its value is diminished by a few thousand dollars.

A CPO Bimmer is an excellent value.

The E90 328i looks like it will be a bargain as a CPO.


Not sure when you're looking to buy, but I would imagine you won't see many 328i E90's available as CPO until September of 2008 when they start coming back in from the 24mos leases.

Certified Pre Owned

That's what we call, buying a great car at an even BETTER price.

Saves tons of cash over buying Brand NEW.

Throw your money out the window as soon as the car is titled and registered

That's why buying CPO is a good idea.

Of course if you want to buy new, that's your business.

Some people like brand new cars.

Nothing wrong with that

I like saving money, and look for value in a car.

It's tough to swallow, knowing that as soon as the new car is titled and

registered, its value is diminished by a few thousand dollars.

A CPO Bimmer is an excellent value.

I like brand new especially since I tend to keep my cars. I have had some demo cars as a loaner and have test drove cars and have run the hell out of them. I would not buy these cars as a CPO unless the car was well checked out and purchased for a deep discount.

If a car is new and comes back on the market as a CPO, aren't you scared that is was a lemon that the previous owner got rid of?

Guys even "God" makes mistakes. Look at Michael Jackson. I have a 335i AT I have hit 290 oil temp with just 80-90 mph for 40 minutes. I'm not losing any sleep over it. If BMW made a boo-boo on the oil coolers and my engine has a "problem" from high oil temp guess who pays to fix it. Not Me! I just drive the car and smile all day.

Your car is a friggin anomaly though. I cruised at between 115-130 on the Bahn for hours at a time and my 335i never got above 245 and I have a Step with no Air-Oil cooler.

Certified Pre Owned

That's what we call, buying a great car at an even BETTER price.

Saves tons of cash over buying Brand NEW.

Throw your money out the window as soon as the car is titled and registered

That's why buying CPO is a good idea.

Of course if you want to buy new, that's your business.

Some people like brand new cars.

Nothing wrong with that

I like saving money, and look for value in a car.

It's tough to swallow, knowing that as soon as the new car is titled and

registered, its value is diminished by a few thousand dollars.

A CPO Bimmer is an excellent value.

Two letters, ED. CPO price, new car, and a trip your wife and you will never forget:cool

Your car is a friggin anomaly though. I cruised at between 115-130 on the Bahn for hours at a time and my 335i never got above 245 and I have a Step with no Air-Oil cooler.
Sweet I knew my car was special. :redspot

Two letters, ED. CPO price, new car, and a trip your wife and you will never forget:cool

Okay. I'll bite. What is ED?

Okay. I'll bite. What is ED?

Euro Delivery

True or not. Many would be buyers will be scared away from this overheating issue. I switched from a E92 335 to an E93 328, simply because I did not want to take the chance.

As far as it being a plot. My dealership has said that they have had issues and are workign on a fix.

Just my two cents, from a low post user.

The sky is falling ! run !!!

Lets not overstate whats going on and lets not forget the E46 and chassis cracks, E36 chassis cracks, Plastic impeller water pumps, Leaking power steering lines, weak X5 steering racks, Hydro locked V12 in the rain and my personal favorite Automatic transmissions that fail "early". All turn out to be a small percentage of units and in the case of the E46 and E36 usually modified.

Some percentage of every product will fail, the fact that a few 335i autos have gone in to limp mode to prevent engine damage when oil temps are high is not a big deal, These cars have at least 50k of factory backed satisfaction, lets go enjoy the cars.

I could not get GOZ 2 11's 335 to overheat. Even against that nasty Skyline.


...see if I let you borrow my car again. :nono