http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1216.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1225.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~miltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1081.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~miltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1090.jpg

http://www.robertlevinson.com/seven/20/7.jpg

http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/johngoga/original/6859.jpg

I'm a little verklempt.

Talk amongst yourselves.

I'll give you a topic:

"The cars in these photos."

Discuss.

All of us have beautiful cars, but of all of the cars I've seen, I like the wheels on this car the most.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1216.jpg

.........................sexy very sexy

Didn't know there was a whole thread on this! :)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9005566&postcount=8

Where can I find a trunk deck spoiler like that for my SEVEN????????
I have looked all over, but google only does so much on the subject...

dang plik, now you've got me trying to remember Mike Myer's character:
I'm a little verklempt.

Talk amongst yourselves.

I'll give you a topic:

"The cars in these photos."

Discuss.

By chance are those rs-gt's on the m3? I don't have mine on yet and if they look half as good as that it was all worth it.

Where can I find a trunk deck spoiler like that for my SEVEN????????
I have looked all over, but google only does so much on the subject...

:confused Are you being serious?

I mean, the spoiler is ... well, in my opinion, I think it takes away from the beautiful design of the e38. That is to say, I think the car would look better without it.

Sure, looks are one thing.... if I wanted it for looks, I'd get that crappy carbon fiber lip or whatever the hell they call it.

This one above looks very euro-sport! Has an overt quality, while still being understated. It blends nicely if you ask me! I like the plain look, too, but there's an issue (at least to me) of them all kind of looking the same. This is one way to stand apart in the 'looks' department.

What about DOWN FORCE! That lip thingy gonna give me the hook-up? I dunno... but I do *know* wouldn't resort to one of those dirt-track goofy aluminum airfoil spoilers that the kiddies are puttin' on their civics... now that's TACKY! :D

...

pretty snazzy.

Even when comparing all of the Sevens in those pix, you gotta admit that the ones without the deck spoiler kind of have a stuffy, grandpa quality to them... really conservative.

The one with the deck spoiler says: hey, I am worth the finer things in life, but if you try to catch me... I am GONE (I know that the quad-outs on those above also lend to that, too ;))! Which leads me to my next Q: Why is there no ///M7???

And if you don't think a little plastic never helped out in the looks department, I got 2 words for ya... Pamela Anderson!! :D:D

Sure, looks are one thing.... if I wanted it for looks, I'd get that crappy carbon fiber lip or whatever the hell they call it.

This one above looks very euro-sport! Has an overt quality, while still being understated. It blends nicely if you ask me! I like the plain look, too, but there's an issue (at least to me) of them all kind of looking the same. This is one way to stand apart in the 'looks' department.

What about DOWN FORCE! That lip thingy gonna give me the hook-up? I dunno... but I do *know* wouldn't resort to one of those dirt-track goofy aluminum airfoil spoilers that the kiddies are puttin' on their civics... now that's TACKY! :D

...

I agree, if you did have a spoiler, then that spoiler would be the best choice.

I'm curious. What's included in this ///M package you speak of?

And did the dealer put on the ///M badge, or did you have to do that yourself?

I asked myself the same question...

So I did the next best thing.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/2109000-2109999/2109030_10_full.jpg

*notice I didn't go for the ///M7, I think thats just ridiculous. Many people say..BMW didn't make a ///M7...duh! Do your research..It's e38 with the ///M package.

///M Package? You mean M-Paralel wheels, floor mats with M logo, and a stick of Crazy Glue for the ebay ///M badge? :rolleyes :eyecrazy :lol
Sorry, IMO this is just as ridiculous, but to each his own. Beautiful car though. I always like that color.

///M Package? You mean M-Paralel wheels, floor mats with M logo, and a stick of Crazy Glue for the ebay ///M badge? :rolleyes :eyecrazy :lol
Sorry, IMO this is just as ridiculous, but to each his own. Beautiful car though. I always like that color.


Wow...

Do some research. Was it you who put the shadowline trim on a non-sport? ":rolleyes :eyecrazy :lol Sorry, IMO this is just as ridiculous" hmm to each his own.

Click on my name and visit my homepage, you'll find your answers there.

BTW no "floor mats with M Logo", oh and I did buy the badge from the stealership and not ebay. Not "a stick of Crazy Glue for the ebay ///M badge" like you mentioned.

*Notice I didn't just put "///M7" because its not, that IS ridiculous, BMW currently has no plan for this. I added the "///M 740i" more as individual preference. Any questions?

p.s. Thanks for the comments, I do like the e38 in black, it was my second choice.

Ok I went to your homepage, cardomain page, and I still dont see what a M package is, you describe the Sport Package pretty good, is that what you call the M package?

Ok I went to your homepage, cardomain page, and I still dont see what a M package is, you describe the Sport Package pretty good, is that what you call the M package?

Okay...you got me on wording. Fixed.

In my cardomain site, I describe what a sport model consist of with the ///M elements.

*just to be clear, NO I do not consider this an M series car hence no "///M7".

for more resource:

M-Package 5 series (http://car-reviews.automobile.com/news/bmw-to-offer-m-package-for-regular-5-series-models/140/)

M-Package 3 series (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-3-series-m-sport-package-revealed.html)

answers bmw-m (http://www.answers.com/topic/bmw-m)

Deceptions7,

Be prepared to put your flame suit on. I was in the same situation as you. Maybe you should read this post (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=655100)and you'll understand why most people don't like the M badge or emblem on an E38. Everyone in this forum is giving their honest opinion but in the end it is your car. Your car looks very nice without the M badge.

Phil

Guys, don't pick on Deceptions7 because he's new and glued an ///M badge to the back of his car.

We're all here to be friends, not pick on each other for being misinformed.

Deceptions7,

Be prepared to put your flame suit on. I was in the same situation as you .Maybe you should read this post (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=655100)and you'll understand why most people don't like the M badge or emblem on an E38.
Everyone in this forum is giving their honest opinion but in the end it is your car. Your car looks very nice.

Phil

Hi!

Thanks for the reference. I did read through the post.
I agree...it is not an M car. I never said it is an M car or claim to have one. hence no "///M7", just "///M 740i". I place the badge there for personal preference because the car has some ///M elements. I knew well before hand many would disagree...but to each his own.

For example, many enthusiasts debadge their cars ///M or any other series, get Alpina accessories or any official offering from companies like Hammann, Dinan, Racing Dynamics, or opt for the sport look even if they are not sport versions? I even seen m5 style kits for the 7 series..so ask THEM why they do this?

So it boils down to preference. I personally like it and I am not the guy to place an exuberant amount of decals, install non-functioning parts, or aftermarket fake ///M products (floor mats, pedals, embroidery, shift knobs, I've seen it all).

Thank you for your comments and for being honest.

Guys, don't pick on Deceptions7 because he's new and glued an ///M badge to the back of his car.

We're all here to be friends, not pick on each other for being misinformed.

Thanks I think..but I didnt glue an ///M badge on the back ..it came with a 3m sticker on the back.:D


Yes, I do agree we should be friends and help support each other.

I was thinking of replacing my roundels. Do those things come with stickers? For some reason, I think they don't. How do they get put on then?

And if the topic of new roundels doesn't do it for you, here is a nice photo:

http://www.lemonlawvehicle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bugatti-veyron.jpg

I was thinking of replacing my roundels. Do those things come with stickers? For some reason, I think they don't. How do they get put on then?

And if the topic of new roundels doesn't do it for you, here is a nice photo:

http://www.lemonlawvehicle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bugatti-veyron.jpg

Roundels for what? for the hood? or the trunk? steering wheel or rims? OEM roundels are not stickers...aftermarket one are...

Great Pic..have you seen this?

Bugatti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27CgobKJHw&mode=related&search=)

I was thinking of replacing my roundels. Do those things come with stickers? For some reason, I think they don't. How do they get put on then?

And if the topic of new roundels doesn't do it for you, here is a nice photo:

http://www.lemonlawvehicle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bugatti-veyron.jpg

Hahaha, I like your style :)

I was always a fan of the debadged 7 series; gives it a little mysterious Mafia look :D .
Here's another random pic!http://www.fabulous.co.jp/inc/img.asp?SID=113

VIP Style :)

Wow...

Do some research. Was it you who put the shadowline trim on a non-sport? ":rolleyes :eyecrazy :lol Sorry, IMO this is just as ridiculous" hmm to each his own.

Click on my name and visit my homepage, you'll find your answers there.

BTW no "floor mats with M Logo", oh and I did buy the badge from the stealership and not ebay. Not "a stick of Crazy Glue for the ebay ///M badge" like you mentioned.

*Notice I didn't just put "///M7" because its not, that IS ridiculous, BMW currently has no plan for this. I added the "///M 740i" more as individual preference. Any questions?

p.s. Thanks for the comments, I do like the e38 in black, it was my second choice.

All the reasearch has been done. I don't claim to have a "Sport Package" just because of Shadowline trim and a 3.15 diff. If fact, my sig says so. I also lowered my suspension, tinted windows and installed 275 tires in the back and OEM M-Pars wheels. None of these are ///M Elements.

Look, we all have good taste in cars - we are here, aren't we? You have every right to use an L, M, N, O, P or any other letter or combination thereof in the English, or any other language. You welcomed questions and got some. Your Car domain site has nothing about ///M Package. Your signature here states ...Sport with ///M Package (in beautiful color) and now your car has ///M elements. Cool!

You have a great looking car and my favorite color for a 7, but ///M stands for something special. Something neither mine nor your car has. You can't win this one. Enjoy your badge. Sorry...

Hmm, is this like when I put a 518i badge on my M5?

Hmm, is this like when I put a 518i badge on my M5?

:) Or AMG logo on a C240 because they both have the same door knobs.
Actually, one guy modified his "740i" to read "744i", which I think is clever, simple and in true german tradition - more accurate.

Nice cars. Love the silver and the black 7's except for the "thing" over the trunk.

I was tinking of using part of the badging off my old e38 and making the e66 a "747Li". Its big enough to be confused for a 747!!!

All the reasearch has been done. I don't claim to have a "Sport Package" just because of Shadowline trim and a 3.15 diff. If fact, my sig says so. I also lowered my suspension, tinted windows and installed 275 tires in the back and OEM M-Pars wheels. None of these are ///M Elements.

Look, we all have good taste in cars - we are here, aren't we? You have every right to use an L, M, N, O, P or any other letter or combination thereof in the English, or any other language. You welcomed questions and got some. Your Car domain site has nothing about ///M Package. Your signature here states ...Sport with ///M Package (in beautiful color) and now your car has ///M elements. Cool!

You have a great looking car and my favorite color for a 7, but ///M stands for something special. Something neither mine nor your car has. You can't win this one. Enjoy your badge. Sorry...

Thanks for the comments and clarification. The e38 sport does come with the ///M package..or ///M elements ..or whatever you may call it. I never claimed to have an ///M series car. Hence no ///M7, which personally I think is Ridiculous. I have seen 7 series with this. When you purchase an M3, M5, M6, the dealer doesnt tell you "oh it has the ///M package too". It already has everything ///M included. You can go to your dealer and buy any sport model and ask them for the ///M package. (///M steering wheel and M-Par's or any M rims).

Now back to your sig, if I seen your car rolling down the street..I would say ooohh..look at that sweet e38 sport...then suddenly I find out that it is not the sport version? This can't be compared to my car..if you know anything about M series car which never included the 7 series, hence no "///M7" I put the ///M badge there for personal preference. "///M 740i" Didn't you add the shadowline trim, M'pars for personal preference? exactly...or has anyone ask you if it is a true sport? Some would flame you? or others will not...I will never cause it boils down to preference.

My cardomain site does have info on what is included in e38 sport with the ///M package. Go verify with BMW NA on what ///M package consists of.

Here are few references:

M-Package 5 series (http://car-reviews.automobile.com/news/bmw-to-offer-m-package-for-regular-5-series-models/140/)

M-Package 3 series (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-3-series-m-sport-package-revealed.html)

answers bmw-m (http://www.answers.com/topic/bmw-m)


BTW I purchased my 2001 e38 sport with the ///M package nothing added afterwards. ///M stands for something special. Hence no "///M7" just a badged 2001 e38 sport with the ///M package. I do think my car is special as you may think your car is too. So you can't win this one. Enjoy your look alike sport even if your sig says it isn't...Sorry.

I was tinking of using part of the badging off my old e38 and making the e66 a "747Li". Its big enough to be confused for a 747!!!

That would be sweet. You are cleared for take off!

Hmm, is this like when I put a 518i badge on my M5?

That would be the ultimate sleeper! Imagine the look on peoples faces when you leave em in the dust.


BTW I like your sig!

BTW I purchased my 2001 e38 sport with the ///M package nothing added afterwards ...
... except the //M logo. I am trying to figure out the difference between a regular SPORT and your ///M package, or ///M elements, or whatever you want to call it. Still can't get an answer. This is not flaming, EDUCATE ME about the //M Package that a BMW dealer offered for the E38 that you are a proud owner of.
This is useless... :deadhorse:

... except the //M logo. I am trying to figure out the difference between a regular SPORT and your ///M package, or ///M elements, or whatever you want to call it. Still can't get an answer. This is not flaming, EDUCATE ME about the //M Package that a BMW dealer offered for the E38 that you are a proud owner of.
This is useless... :deadhorse:

LOL love the dead horse.! where is did you get that! hahahah

So ultimately, one can get a regular sport package with the 7 series. Mine was opted that included the ///M package (M steering wheel and M' Pars).
Think BMW Individual (http://www.bmw.com/com/_shortcuts/individual/)


This thread is done!

Thanks again for having patience and understanding.

p.s I still like your black 7 ...mean and clean right?

So when you ordered your 2001 "M package" E38 it said that on the window sticker?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it did not. As you can imagine I'm fairly passionate about this particular car, having always admired and craved one since they first came out years ago.

I'm sure the other long time E38 fans feel the same way.

To me your argument is like saying that Joe Namath won the 94 world series for the Socks. As a passionate fan I have to call you on it and hope to enlighten you to the fact that the Red Socks Suck, just like M badges on cars that have nothing to do with BMW Motorsport Suck.

Or something less abrasive

So when you ordered your 2001 "M package" E38 it said that on the window sticker?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it did not. As you can imagine I'm fairly passionate about this particular car, having always admired and craved one since they first came out years ago.

I'm sure the other long time E38 fans feel the same way.

To me your argument is like saying that Joe Namath won the 94 world series for the Socks. As a passionate fan I have to call you on it and hope to enlighten you to the fact that the Red Socks Suck, just like M badges on cars that have nothing to do with BMW Motorsport Suck.

Or something less abrasive



I don't no where you got "2001 "M package" E38" :nono

It's an 2001 e38 sport with the ///M Package(M steering wheel and M' Pars).

So you saying any 3, 5 , and 7 series sport models that has the ///M Package ( ///M steering wheel and ///M pars) suck? Wow your including many enthusiast there...oh! arent there badges on those items :eyecrazy

Thank you for your point of view.

But this thread is done.

:deadhorse:

BTW Your Sport analogy means nothing to me. I am an e38 enthusiast don't get it twisted.

Well, you can put as many ///M components in a no ///M car and that will mever make it be a ///M car, so it will never get a ///M badge from the builder. You can get the full ///M package an you will no get the ///M badge. You can ever buy a high tuned Alpina, and it will get no ///M badge, (in the odd case that you have an Alpina and you want it). Putting a ///M badge on a non ///M car is like marking my 730d as a 750i... It is as impressive as deceptive when you notice that it's not what it tells.

///M badges on cars tell about their performance, and who tuned it. Putting them on non ///M cars is (again) like if you paint spoilers in body color, buy four Alpina wheels and then you mark it as an "Alpina B12"...

Guys!!!

You're missing the point.

The point of this thread is to talk about these wheels and how cool they would look on my car.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1216.jpg

If I put these on my car, would I need to lower it at all?

Guys!!!

You're missing the point.

The point of this thread is to talk about these wheels and how cool they would look on my car.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1216.jpg

If I put these on my car, would I need to lower it at all?


Thank you...sheeeeeeeeeeesh!

The wheels are dope and you should definately drop it.

Thank you...sheeeeeeeeeeesh!

The wheels are dope and you should definately drop it.

By how much do you think?

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1225.jpg

By how much do you think?

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1225.jpg

Hey,

Depends on the size of the rim?

Probably 1.3 in the rear, and 1.9 in the front. If that is too low, I would go for a

.6 rear, 1.3 front.

Hope that helps!

Well, you can put as many ///M components in a no ///M car and that will mever make it be a ///M car, so it will never get a ///M badge from the builder. You can get the full ///M package an you will no get the ///M badge. You can ever buy a high tuned Alpina, and it will get no ///M badge, (in the odd case that you have an Alpina and you want it). Putting a ///M badge on a non ///M car is like marking my 730d as a 750i... It is as impressive as deceptive when you notice that it's not what it tells.

///M badges on cars tell about their performance, and who tuned it. Putting them on non ///M cars is (again) like if you paint spoilers in body color, buy four Alpina wheels and then you mark it as an "Alpina B12"...

Agreed.

Hey,

Depends on the size of the rim?

Probably 1.3 in the rear, and 1.9 in the front. If that is too low, I would go for a

.6 rear, 1.3 front.

Hope that helps!

I was thinking that 19" rims would work well. I have 18" rims on there now, but I don't know if 20" rims would look too thin.

I wonder if I got 20" rims, would the tire size increase (relative to what I have now) and thus make it unnecessary to lower the car?

Either way, it seems to me that the back looks a little high as-is, so I think I would lower both the front and the back equally.

This is a photo of my car:
http://www.bestdesignever.com/osv/car.jpg

I was thinking that 19" rims would work well. I have 18" rims on there now, but I don't know if 20" rims would look too thin.

I wonder if I got 20" rims, would the tire size increase (relative to what I have now) and thus make it unnecessary to lower the car?

Either way, it seems to me that the back looks a little high as-is, so I think I would lower both the front and the back equally.

This is a photo of my car:
http://www.bestdesignever.com/osv/car.jpg

I feel for ya!

I have 20's just waiting to be put on! I will put on the rims and tires first then decide if I need to lower it.

BTW nice ride! so clean ...what products do you use?

Thank you...sheeeeeeeeeeesh!

The wheels are dope and you should definately drop it.

Agreed. Will they fit your E38 as they are or will you need hub rings?
Definately a 1" or so drop will be nice.

BTW nice ride! so clean ...what products do you use?

Photoshop! :rofl

Agreed. Will they fit your E38 as they are or will you need hub rings?
Definately a 1" or so drop will be nice.

I don't know about the rings. I guess we could ask Mp///m3 and see if he needed to get rings.

And I'm still on the fence about the drop. I guess I could wait and see. But I think you're right, I'll probably end up dropping her like an inch.

Photoshop! :rofl

Really?

Good work.

I'm beta testing for the Vista version.

Is it me or does the rim seem wider than the rubber? If so, good luck with the curb rash.
Not feeling the chrome, but polished or brushed would look cool.

I used Eibach springs for a 1.3" drop all the way around. Not too slammed, but just low enough to look all pissed off. :)

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emiltbetty1/wsb/media/8503/site1216.jpg

This was done by a few dealers here in the US. I saw such a car and spoke to the owner of that car several years ago.

As I recall this is what he told me...
From a performance perspective the shocks & springs were different than those found on non-sport cars.
Generally an E38 M-Package was more cosmetic than higher performance. The dealership fitted the trunk's M badges and the steering wheel and rims were OEM M-branded.
The motor & transmission were stock and depended upon the specific type of E38 base model chosen to outfit with M trim, which I took to mean a non Sport E38 could be fitted and badged with the M Package if the buyer wanted to write the check.

Then again, he may have done all that to his car himself and then lied about it...

You will have to lower it. changing from 16" to 18" leaves too much "air"... so going to a bigger wheel... ¿lowering from original or from already lowered?