Dale's baby is finally home!!

http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_6874.jpg (http://www.evosport.com)

Niiiice. That thing is going to be crazy with a v8!

Why not an S65? What is in it right now? ( I assume a hopped up version of the stock engine)

Because we have the V8! LOL

The engine is stock so far, just a bolt on intake.

That is going to be hot!!

I'd just remove the Vanos units and fix the timing!!!

wow, that is going to be crazy, any room for a passenger seat ride along when its done?

Wowoweee...this is going to get exciting!!

evosport is certainly spicing up the west coast CR scene!

Hehe, is that what Ken brought back in the trailer?

Yep:D Soon we will throw away that motor and a minimum of 650 horses will be had with the new V8 according to our engineer:evil2

Dale

Congratulations Dale! The car has come a long way since I saw it at the USTCC race in Portland!
-Ted

No, it actually hasn't yet - but it will! LOL

That is going to be hot!!

I'd just remove the Vanos units and fix the timing!!!
That is the plan!

wow, that is going to be crazy, any room for a passenger seat ride along when its done?
Nope - too much weight! :stickoutt

evosport is certainly spicing up the west coast CR scene!
Trying!

Hehe, is that what Ken brought back in the trailer?
YEP! Had to put something in it!

Thanks
Brd

650hp wow thats goin to be a hand full. great looking car! have fun!

So Dale...... since I let you drive mine, will you return the favor? :D

Jay

shaweet, guess it wasnt as G14 classified as I had thought :)

Wicked pissah

Cool project. What kind of wheels are those?

Dang, I'm in the wrong business. Anyone want to buy an investment firm so I can go intern with Evosport?:D

Congrats Dale. Looks like it's gonna be another killer project. I hope you'll update with pics.

Cool project. What kind of wheels are those?

Enkei Nt03+M. Available through Evosport.

I'm pimpin those badboys as well, awesome wheels (Thanks again Evosport!).

http://jaffster.com/E46M3/12-8-06/index2.htm

Ken, how much you want? Whats your yearly avg gain? hit me up ;)

Enkei Nt03+M. Available through Evosport.

I'm pimpin those badboys as well, awesome wheels (Thanks again Evosport!).

http://jaffster.com/E46M3/12-8-06/index2.htm

Ken, how much you want? Whats your yearly avg gain? hit me up ;)Thanks :)

So Dale...... since I let you drive mine, will you return the favor? :D

Jay
oh no - better reinforce that roof big D! LOL

(low blow I know Jay - but it comes with love as I have tried to kill TWO cars - that is one more then you!) :evil2
http://www.evosport.com/public/brad/misc/brad.jpg

shaweet, guess it wasnt as G14 classified as I had thought :)

Wicked pissah
It was, but I let the cat out. More fun!

Cool project. What kind of wheels are those?
Steve is correct. They are awesome wheels, and they are cheap. Better then almost anything out there in terms of construction, quality, availability and price. The wheels that Dan (DForce) is doing are also pretty nice. No reason to use SSR's anymore - two great choices!

Dang, I'm in the wrong business. Anyone want to buy an investment firm so I can go intern with Evosport?:D

Congrats Dale. Looks like it's gonna be another killer project. I hope you'll update with pics.
LOL - no you need to keep that firm. We need clients with real jobs. We are stupid and spend all of our pay checks on race cars! To think, I have a JD/MBA and could be making real bucks like you! Wanna trade? :stickoutt

Thanks
Brad

oh no - better reinforce that roof big D! LOL

(low blow I know Jay - but it comes with love as I have tried to kill TWO cars - that is one more then you!) :evil2


That's the best laugh I've had lately! You funny guy.:lol :lol :lol

Jay

Glad to see you are making the most out of that V8. Can't wait to see it finished or the build thread.

That's the best laugh I've had lately! You funny guy.:lol :lol :lol

Jay
LOL - I was a bit worried how you would take it - but I thought you would see my sense of humor!

Glad to see you are making the most out of that V8. Can't wait to see it finished or the build thread.
We will have a build thread for sure, just will be in a little bit. Still need to get some existing projects wrapped up.

Thanks
Brad

So Dale...... since I let you drive mine, will you return the favor? :D

Jay

Sure if you let me set your car up along with racing it at Phoenix.:D
I will miss the first couple of races for sure. Actually you should def. try to make one of the earlier races so I can help you with no distractions.

Dale

Maybe someone can explain this to me on here, why are people suddenly dumping tens of thousands of dollars (at an increased rate in comparison to the past) into club racing? It seems that the cost difference between say a mid-pack GA-ST car and one of these turbo or e90 club cars has gotten really close.

Maybe someone can explain this to me on here, why are people suddenly dumping tens of thousands of dollars (at an increased rate in comparison to the past) into club racing? It seems that the cost difference between say a mid-pack GA-ST car and one of these turbo or e90 club cars has gotten really close.

I have tried with this car to have GA homologate it. No such luck so we will make it the ultimate toy. The prep level is one thing, but the other bills that come with pro racing far surpass what I or others will be spending on these projects. I have raced professionally and spent thousands and thousands of dollars and all I have to show for it is a stupid trophy case full of 20 dollar trophies and some magazine articles. Yes it strokes my ego, but my wallet is lighter also. I will arrive and drive a couple times this year in World challenge and Grand Am, but not using my own car anymore. I might sound a little bitter but am proud of what I have accomplished with a small team. Still hurt the pocket book when you are spending your own money and not sponsor money.

If you knew some of the numbers that have been thrown around between me and James Clay for E90 development in the last few weeks you would understand:eyecrazy

Dale

I will miss the first couple of races for sure. Actually you should def. try to make one of the earlier races so I can help you with no distractions.

Dale

As of now, I'm planning on LS end of Apr for my 1st race. Will be at TH the weekend before and the weekend after.

I'd be surprised if you ever have time at the track with no distractions but I'll take what I can get :D And, thanks.

Jay

Yep:D Soon we will throw away that motor and a minimum of 650 horses will be had with the new V8 according to our engineer:evil2

Dale

Crap - looks like it's time for an even bigger turbo for me. Gary - can you order me a MONSTER turbo????

Maybe someone can explain this to me on here, why are people suddenly dumping tens of thousands of dollars (at an increased rate in comparison to the past) into club racing? It seems that the cost difference between say a mid-pack GA-ST car and one of these turbo or e90 club cars has gotten really close.

Because its an amazing time racing with what I consider to be a big family! Yes, some of us are disfunctional, but we all have an "Uncle Ned and Aunt Betty" in our family - just adds spice! (no offense to anyone in club racing who are actually named Ned or Betty!)

Seriously, where else can you have this much fun, with a bunch of great people?? If I committed myself to drinking as much as I have to Club Racing I wouldn't be an alcoholic, I would be a drunk (us drunks, we don't have to go to meetings)!!

Crap - looks like it's time for an even bigger turbo for me. Gary - can you order me a MONSTER turbo????

HAHAHA, remember though it is impossible to get the E90 down to the weight of your car. It also won't be as rigid

Dale

If I committed myself to drinking as much as I have to Club Racing I wouldn't be an alcoholic, I would be a drunk (us drunks, we don't have to go to meetings)!!

I resemble that remark :)

And, as a slight aside, will you Evosport guys STOP IT!! :D

Jim - racing a "hand-me-down" :(

Maybe someone can explain this to me on here, why are people suddenly dumping tens of thousands of dollars (at an increased rate in comparison to the past) into club racing? It seems that the cost difference between say a mid-pack GA-ST car and one of these turbo or e90 club cars has gotten really close.


Maybe at about 70k you can have a mid-pack bmw. Then the real costs start! On a budget you might be able to run a ST car for about $6500 for the weekend but thats before you get a crew together. Also, as Jon mentioned, BMW CCA is much more like a family affair and the more laid back feeling is what makes it fun.

Maybe someone can explain this to me on here, why are people suddenly dumping tens of thousands of dollars (at an increased rate in comparison to the past) into club racing? It seems that the cost difference between say a mid-pack GA-ST car and one of these turbo or e90 club cars has gotten really close.


My take is this. First, it's not really "sudden". Tens of thousands of dollars have been going into these race cars since I started CR back in 2000.

Second, like Dale, having done some World Challenge racing in the past myself, it's not typically the car build that costs a lot in say, SWC-T or GAC. You can buy a turn-key competitive car for $60-90k, but plan on spending at least that much per year campaigning it. The travel, meals, accomodations, entry fees, increased tire appetite, transporter/driver/crew costs all add up to six figures VERY rapidly.

These guys dumping the money into their CR cars are actually coming out way ahead. $60-90k on the car, then $20k running it for a year, assuming no big mech/crash damage.

Third, some of these guys have situations where insurance requirments, family demands, and job demands simply do not allow a season of pro racing. They want a fast race car without the demands of pro racing. Hell, Sebring alone required I take a whole week off of work!

Maybe at about 70k you can have a mid-pack bmw. Then the real costs start! On a budget you might be able to run a ST car for about $6500 for the weekend but thats before you get a crew together. Also, as Jon mentioned, BMW CCA is much more like a family affair and the more laid back feeling is what makes it fun.

True about the atmosphere, that is why I will do both club racing and pro racing this year.

JBriedis, this is pretty much why i will try and rent rides this year. So much money spent to run mid pack in the Grand Am demolition derby.

You should have seen the gas bill last year. I could have built a car for that alone. A duramax pickup was the tow vehicle, I can't even imagine what it costs for a big rig, or even our toter here.

It will be fun club racing with this monster. Brad and I will definitely take turns and jump from this car to the JS car until his car is ready.

Dale

True about the atmosphere, that is why I will do both club racing and pro racing this year.

JBriedis, this is pretty much why i will try and rent rides this year. So much money spent to run mid pack in the Grand Am demolition derby.
It will be fun club racing with this monster. Brad and I will definitely take turns and jump from this car to the JS car until his car is ready.

Dale

Lets see- Evosport Cars:
Holder - 2.1 liter Turbo E46 M3 Motorsport Chassis - CM
Carl - 3.4 liter S54 E46 M3 - CM
Dale - M5 Motor in an E90 - AM
Bob - 3.2 liter S54 E36 M3 Widebody - CM
Brad - ??? liter, who knows what motor E46 M3 - DM
Evosport - JS Car

Looks like an amazing lineup - when you include the other customer cars, it's even more amazing!

HAHAHA, remember though it is impossible to get the E90 down to the weight of your car. It also won't be as rigid

Dale


Whats the lightest you guys have been able to get an E90 so far? Also, why cant it be as rigid as an E46?

Whats the lightest you guys have been able to get an E90 so far? Also, why cant it be as rigid as an E46?

We will start on that task soon.

Jon's E46 is a motorsports tub which was 2650 with me in it 4 months ago. So it was around 2480 wet. Car was all steel, and nothing much was cut out. Since then it has had everything that is not needed cut out. Now has carbon hood, doors, roof, and decklid. Eventually it will have a carbon front bumper cover and carbon fenders. I am sure the E90 will not get down that low.

Dale

320si WTCC is ~2550 With Driver, I don't think Jons E46 will be that light, even with Dale or me in it.

Why can't the E90 be as stiff as the E46?

320si WTCC is ~2550 With Driver, I don't think Jons E46 will be that light, even with Dale or me in it.

Why can't the E90 be as stiff as the E46?

I bet Jon's E46 is already there. It is at least a 100 pounds less than when i had it and I am seriously underestimating how much weight they have taken out. Literally at least a week was spent cutting, pulling and throwing.

The E90 can be as stiff with alot of work, like seam welding and stitch welding everything that does not come out but it will be labor intensive.

Dale

Yep, but turbo system is heavy, don't forget, its a lot of weight.

Everything is labor intensive...same labor it would take to do the same process to an E46 :)

The E90 I think has a lot more potential suspension wise, its justa bit more complicated to take advantage of. But those WTCC cars sure do fly!

320si WTCC is ~2550 With Driver, I don't think Jons E46 will be that light, even with Dale or me in it.

Solution: Throw Jim Bassett in the driver's seat. :stickoutt

Why can't the E90 be as stiff as the E46?

I'm sure he's just referring to the E46 being a motorsport chassis? :help

320si WTCC is ~2550 With Driver, I don't think Jons E46 will be that light, even with Dale or me in it.
Won't be the first or the last time you were wrong Stevie! :stickoutt

Lets see- Evosport Cars:
Holder - 2.1 liter Turbo E46 M3 Motorsport Chassis - CM
Carl - 3.4 liter S54 E46 M3 - CM
Dale - M5 Motor in an E90 - AM
Bob - 3.2 liter S54 E36 M3 Widebody - CM
Brad - ??? liter, who knows what motor E46 M3 - DM
Evosport - JS Car

Looks like an amazing lineup - when you include the other customer cars, it's even more amazing!

Mmmm... Is your races covered by the speed channel or do I have to show up....

Won't be the first or the last time you were wrong Stevie! :stickoutt

Want to make it interesting?

2550# wet with Dale, that means the chassis dry must weigh ~2300.

How much are we betting? ;) You guys are good, but thats pretty light for that chassis/engine setup.

You said 2550 with you or Dale - don't go changing your story on me now!

I corrected it, sorry, I looked at the wrong reply.

I'll be waiting for the picture of the scales ;)

I really do hope you shut me down and prove me wrong, b/c that means my car can be as light (or maybe less).

Definitely will be interested either way.

Lets see- Evosport Cars:
Holder - 2.1 liter Turbo E46 M3 Motorsport Chassis - CM
Carl - 3.4 liter S54 E46 M3 - CM
Dale - M5 Motor in an E90 - AM
Bob - 3.2 liter S54 E36 M3 Widebody - CM
Brad - ??? liter, who knows what motor E46 M3 - DM
Evosport - JS Car

Looks like an amazing lineup - when you include the other customer cars, it's even more amazing!

I'll go ahead & apologize in advance for the inevitable moving chicane I'll present to this lineup! Hopefully I'll be able to get a lap in before getting passed! :help

Hopefully I'll be able to get a lap in before getting passed! :help

Matters which track. :evil2 Big Willow or Cal Speedway, maybe not.

Matters which track. :evil2 Big Willow or Cal Speedway, maybe not.

:(

Solution: Throw Jim Bassett in the driver's seat. :stickoutt

And I promise not to lap Murph :D

Jim

Steve, that was just mean of Jon, wasn't it! LOL

I'll go ahead & apologize in advance for the inevitable moving chicane I'll present to this lineup! Hopefully I'll be able to get a lap in before getting passed! :help


Don't worry Steve. Holder made me freq my new radios to his so he could call me ahead of time to tell me to get the F**K out of his way. :D

You guys shouldn't have any problems getting an E46 Msports chassis under 2300#. Our old WC car was 22 and change dry.

You guys shouldn't have any problems getting an E46 Msports chassis under 2300#. Our old WC car was 22 and change dry.

Wow...22 and change? On an E46? Carbon body panels? I know WC allowed carbon hoods, but I'm not sure about the rest.

That said, your World Challenge car probably didn't run a big dry sump and air jacks, and it definitely didn't have a turbo, intercooler, and associated hardware.

Don't worry Steve. Holder made me freq my new radios to his so he could call me ahead of time to tell me to get the F**K out of his way. :D

:lol To borrow a line, I resemble Jon's remark!

I think the solution is hood-mounted 142db train airhorns http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?item=3CB35LCC. :eek: Not surprisingly, I could find nothing in the rulebook regarding horns, and I guess if it doesn't say you can do it you can't. Besides, I think Jon would have waaaay too much fun with it.

So did you guys must have run alot of ballast, or did you have a "proportiantely" weighted driver to get min weight? :)

Also, you guys are running much smaller wheels/tires, lighter drivetrain...only thing I see Holder benefiting from over you is the carbon roof.

Any pictures of the chassis? It was the DIG car right? If it is, I think I have some pics.

It just had the basic hood and decklid in cf. It had been disassembled fairly completely when it was originally built and a lot of the weight is gone from areas that don't leave any evidence. The inside looked exactly as it should have. I believe the actual number was 2280 so, not exactly change but it definitly made us happy. We ran most of the season under base, usually 2600 or 2650, so we'd carry 150 to 200# ballast.

Car was always well balanced :)

It just had the basic hood and decklid in cf. It had been disassembled fairly completely when it was originally built and a lot of the weight is gone from areas that don't leave any evidence. The inside looked exactly as it should have. I believe the actual number was 2280 so, not exactly change but it definitly made us happy. We ran most of the season under base, usually 2600 or 2650, so we'd carry 150 to 200# ballast.

Car was always well balanced :)

Did Justin and Johns car weigh the same. One was a motorsport tub and the other wasn't correct?

Dale

One was Motorsport, one was TC Kline I believe.

I thought one was Ken Dobson's old car, didn't remember if it was a TC KLine piece. When it had SSF livery it visited our shop for a while.
Dale

It was built by Craig Nagler at TriPoint, back when TC Kline and Jim Leithauser moved West to seek fame and fortune.

Jay

Jay knows the car well. I have a few pics of it actually

Dale

Yep

Well we all want pics - so send them to me - or make a new thread.

Here are some updated pics.

http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7743.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/)

http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7740.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/)

http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7744.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/)

Mods that we have done include:

Enkei 18x10 NT03+M Race Wheel
Yokohama 280x650 Slicks
New evosport Team car paint
Vorsteiner CF Vented Race Hood


Next:
http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7754.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/)

More to come.....

Love it!! More amazing evosport work!!

Hey that wheel and brake package looks familiar :)

Paint job looks incredible! It suits that car so well.

What are the plans for the front bumper, the WTCC style?

Its sweet how the 280's fit so nicely under those oem body lines...now just get that pig on a diet!

She is only 300 pounds overweight. It weighs 3100 wet with Brad in it. The sound deadening, wiring harness, and deck lid will shave off at least another 75 or so. As soon as the V8 gets in it I won't worry too much about the rest of the weight:D

I have to thank Brad, Simon, Bob and the rest of the guys at the shop. They are pretty much stopping work on their cars to help finish mine.
Thanks to Dan at Diffsonline for the super trick diff he is sending. You can ask him about it, but he has done some new things.

Dale

Is this one going to make it in time for Laguna Seca this weekend?

Niiice. Dan's the man!

300lbs overweight for what?

Yea...once the V8 is in there, the weight be a little less important, but less weight is always better!

Get the holesaw out and cutoff wheel fired up and start cutting he up :)

Is this one going to make it in time for Laguna Seca this weekend?
Yep, in CM:eyecrazy Cage, shocks, plus displacement makes it that way. Supposed to rain so that will equalize things a little but i will still get crushed. I can't wait to throw away this motor and move to BM or AM

This thing looks HOT!

Like always can't wait to see this car on the race track and have the Evo stickers on it!!!!

She is only 300 pounds overweight. It weighs 3100 wet with Brad in it. The sound deadening, wiring harness, and deck lid will shave off at least another 75 or so. As soon as the V8 gets in it I won't worry too much about the rest of the weight
And putting Dale instead Brad will shave about 40lbs! :D

Thanks
Brad

There's the kind of weight loss I am talking about :) haha

Man...definitely thinking about painting my car white now.

There's the kind of weight loss I am talking about :) haha

Man...definitely thinking about painting my car white now.

White makes the car lighter also - doesn't absorb all those sun's rays!! Those rays are HEAVY!! :)

I'll use the BMW Motorsport White Paint P/N 55378008, its has a special microstructure that has helium capsules in it, and the car actually loses weight by having it applied. Crazy stuff, i'm having it specially flown in from Germany this week for testing.

Car is going to be sick!

The e90 diff has a 3.91 ratio, REM polished, cooler fittings in the case, and a new design with 8 clutches, single drive ramp, 2 ramp choices, and infinitely tuneable preload, and many other trick features. Our latest design that improves on what is already out there. Working on a press release to go with it.

Glad to be a part of it for you Dale.

White makes the car lighter also - doesn't absorb all those sun's rays!! Those rays are HEAVY!! :)

:lol Damn photons!

end of the day updates:

Coming together:
http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7788.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds)

Rear Floor: (replaces big plastic "thing")
http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7779.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds)

Front Brakes:
http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7781.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds)

http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7777.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds)

Rear Brakes:
http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds/IMG_7774.JPG (http://www.evosport.com/public/evosport_cars/BMW/e90/ds)

Tomorrow in goes the diff, the vinyl and just some finishing touches.

What about the motor?

lookin gooooood :)

WOW!!! Is this thing going to be electric?








What about the motor?

What about the motor?

I think it's stock for now. But an S62 is on the way!!

Dale - After driving the car for a bit, what are some of your thoughts on the suspension geometry vs. the E36/E46? Better up front? How do you like the rear for power application?

I think I have driven it more then Dale at this point. :D (thanks DALE), and I really like the chassis. Once you go from e36 to e46 you immediately feel the chassis is so much stiffer and better. Well, the e90 feels even better. We have no power in this thing and had an open diff, so powering down has been an issue - but we are addressing that.

We are leaving the stock motor for now. For a number of reasons (timing, scheduling in the shop, budget, etc). The current plan is to get the chassis dialed, the aero done, get the car 100% the way we want it. Then we will drop in the motor. The S62 V8 is the first choice (and we should have one on the way soon). If that falls through, then we will do something with BOOST! :stickoutt

Thanks
Brad

Dale - After driving the car for a bit, what are some of your thoughts on the suspension geometry vs. the E36/E46? Better up front? How do you like the rear for power application?

The suspension feels much better. Turn in is very crisp. Def. better up front. We ar getting some understeer mid corner out, but it is managable. I will be honest and say the car has not been proper until now. It had an open diff. This weekend will be the true test. The rear I have found to be very sensitive to tow changes. It also seems to handle well at the higher ride heights. Alot more testing to do, but it is far ahead of the E36/E46 chassis. I can't wait for more power. 180 wheel is not exactly fun in a 2800LB car

Dale, did you use the same suspension pieces that were on the Thunderhill diesel cars?

Dale, did you use the same suspension pieces that were on the Thunderhill diesel cars?

Yes the pieces on the car are the same. They we prototyped on this car along with TC Designs test mule 330

Dale

180 wheel is not exactly fun in a 2800LB car

Is the car really heavy? Or do you think you could get it down to 2200-2300 race weight with the stock fenders if you did an all out, back/dip, remove uneccessary sheet metal, build for Mod?

180 wheel is not exactly fun in a 2800LB car
Come play in the back of the pack with us riff-raff :)

Jim - actually, that's probably just another car I'll be chasing, sigh

Is the car really heavy? Or do you think you could get it down to 2200-2300 race weight with the stock fenders if you did an all out, back/dip, remove uneccessary sheet metal, build for Mod?

Yes, it is actually at 2900 now but after this race the car will go on a diet for sure.
I think we can get another 200 to 300 out. I want to end up around 2650 to 2700 with driver.
With slicks and the diff I will make some IP cars at least worry about me for this weekend:D

Dizzy -
When am I gonna see this beast? Am I gonna have to come down there to check it out or are you guys gonna make any roadies up North? If your lookin' for a place to dial in a wet setup you know where to go!
You guys got any good names for her yet? "Sir Hans Handfull" perhaps... maybe...perhaps!
:drink1

Dizzy -
When am I gonna see this beast? Am I gonna have to come down there to check it out or are you guys gonna make any roadies up North? If your lookin' for a place to dial in a wet setup you know where to go!
You guys got any good names for her yet? "Sir Hans Handfull" perhaps... maybe...perhaps!
:drink1
It is supposed to rain this weekend so it will be fun. I love driving in the rain. Mostly because others don't like it. It takes a different mindset. Of course living in England for 3 years I didn't have too many dry races so I am rather relaxed when it rains:cool

Yes, it is actually at 2900 now but after this race the car will go on a diet for sure. I think we can get another 200 to 300 out. I want to end up around 2650 to 2700 with driver.

Cool. I wonder if the shell really is much heavier than an E46 or if the additional luxuries (and slightly larger size) are what make up for the weight differences in street trim?

:)


WOW!!! Is this thing going to be electric?

Cool. I wonder if the shell really is much heavier than an E46 or if the additional luxuries (and slightly larger size) are what make up for the weight differences in street trim?

Huge weight gains from the factory rollover protection added to the E90's. It looks like it is triple walled. I am confident my guys here will get the weight out.

Dale

Huge weight gains from the factory rollover protection added to the E90's. It looks like it is triple walled. I am confident my guys here will get the weight out.

Sounds like you need to take the plasma cutter to the triple walled sections...you've got a roll cage, so there's no need for the extra rollover. :)

Does anyone know exactly whats different that allows the E90 WTCC chassis to be so light? Is it mostly the lighter drivetrain that does it?

Dale, are you guys going to be at Laguna on Friday too?

yep, we will be there and we will be WET!

Excellent ... I'll find you guys in the paddock. -zack

yep, we will be there and we will be WET!

No, no, no - not wet!!!! I paid "the big guy" to make sure it's DRY!!! At least I hope it's dry!

Jon, I thought you were "the big guy"! :)

Jon, I thought you were "the big guy"! :)

Nah, not me. I am "A" big guy, but I answer to an even bigger guy - Upstairs!! Right now it looks like he is mad at me and doesn't want me racing!

I need to figure out why?!?!

Happens to me all the time -- Anticipation builds for something I really really am looking forward to, then bam! Gotta wait just a little longer. Upside is that Saturday looks to be rain-free.
-zs (with unshaved RA-1s on the SM -- I'm only driving on Friday)

Nah, not me. I am "A" big guy, but I answer to an even bigger guy - Upstairs!! Right now it looks like he is mad at me and doesn't want me racing!

Sounds like I'm doing a rain dance for O'fest. :redspot:redspot:redspot

Dale, did you use the same suspension pieces that were on the Thunderhill diesel cars?

As Dale said, he has some of our prototype E90 pieces on the cars. We also have a lot more now. We have all the mono ball inserts for every E90 suspension bushing. We also have adjustable front arms, and billet lower rear arms that are designed to take the forces when converting the rear to coil-over.

These are also available through EVOsport since they are a TCD dealer. Stay tunned for a lot more products from us as Brad and his team and myself are workign quite a few cool parts for the club racer and track day guys.


-tc

Yep! Just got finished installed the ultra-high HP TCDesign vinyl about 30 seconds ago! (this is much too expensive for most racers!)

Yep! Just got finished installed the ultra-high HP TCDesign vinyl about 30 seconds ago! (this is much too expensive for most racers!)

Sitting outside Tony's shop, using his free wi-fi, right now. He just took me in the room where he stores this hi-dollar vinyl. Gave me a little sample for my beater. I should be a little faster now :D

Will be heading for Laguna Seca in a few hours.

Jay

yep, we will be there and we will be WET!Just looked online. Looks like rain Friday early morning only....no rain Sat.....chance of rain Sun..dwindling though... Pray guys :D *crosses fingers*

I guess we swapped with mother nature for the weekend...Northeast is actually supposed to be real nice this weekend!

Hey all, here is a pic of the E90 at Laguna Seca this weekend. It is already pulled apart and losing weight as I am writing this.

Dale

Dale, who was taking those shots? Any of my car that you know of?

Hey all, here is a pic of the E90 at Laguna Seca this weekend.

And another one for you, which I just saw yesterday:

http://scts.323ci.net/gallery/d/27286-2/_DDW0051.jpg

Dale, who was taking those shots? Any of my car that you know of?

Scott, thats one of my shots from Saturday (I think). I was sitting in Turn 4 - took about 100 shots. I have some of you too.

Scott, thats one of my shots from Saturday (I think). I was sitting in Turn 4 - took about 100 shots. I have some of you too.


That was you? Those are NICE shots! I didn't think you had an artistic bone in your body!...;)

Errr..I mean...could you email me some? :)

EDIT...interesting...that pic doesn't look like T4 though....looks like he's setting up for the run through 9. If it was T4, he'd be all the way out to the driver's edge of the track....and I know Carl can drive better than THAT!

Ha, yeah some are Jon and the others are from Dan from Roadfly

That was you? Those are NICE shots! I didn't think you had an artistic bone in your body!...;)

Errr..I mean...could you email me some? :)

EDIT...interesting...that pic doesn't look like T4 though....looks like he's setting up for the run through 9. If it was T4, he'd be all the way out to the driver's edge of the track....and I know Carl can drive better than THAT!

I was sitting actually about half way between 4 and 5. With my zoom, I could get the exit of 3 all the way to the straight between 4 and 5. So that shot was when he had exited 4 and was moving drivers right for turn 5. My shot is the first one - not the second one, which I believe is 9.