quick update. 10lbs - 450 whp. The motor was built to take 30lbs of boost, so that should give you an idea of the power it will make! :evil2

:help

Sounds nice too! Looking forward to some in-car vids (as well as seeing it in person).

Very Nice Jon. Can't wait to see video's of the car making a full pull or some track time.. You should bring it out to a time attack and go head to head with the JIC,Factor X and the GMG GT3 cup car.. that'd be fun to watch. We are having a few this year in Cali. I'd think you would win, but it different kind of cars to go up against. Just a idea.. keep the pictures coming...

quick update. 10lbs - 450 whp. The motor was built to take 30lbs of boost, so that should give you an idea of the power it will make! :evil2

More pics today!

:redspot :alright :redspot :alright :redspot :alright :redspot

WOOO!!!!

Very Nice Jon. Can't wait to see video's of the car making a full pull or some track time.. You should bring it out to a time attack and go head to head with the JIC,Factor X and the GMG GT3 cup car.. that'd be fun to watch. We are having a few this year in Cali. I'd think you would win, but it different kind of cars to go up against. Just a idea.. keep the pictures coming...
We will have Cort Wagner in one of our cars this year with the goal to win overall. :redspot Last year we took a sick car (did not know it was down on compression till after Time Attack) as Holder's e36 had been injured the race before. We were faster then most others in the twisties, but had 250 whp-ish. The video is pretty funny, Cort gains on anyone in the technical stuff, then gets walked on in the straights, sad.

Very Nice Jon. Can't wait to see video's of the car making a full pull or some track time.. You should bring it out to a time attack and go head to head with the JIC,Factor X and the GMG GT3 cup car.. that'd be fun to watch. We are having a few this year in Cali. I'd think you would win, but it different kind of cars to go up against. Just a idea.. keep the pictures coming...
The GMG GT3 got banned, go figure. XS Engineering's Eric Hsu, and just about eberybody else said it was an unfair advantage, Its not like its making 800 to all four wheels:confused . The fact is that the cyber Evo and the XS Skyline all have just as much if not more development than a 996 cup car, not even an rsr. Turner almost got the outright win a few years ago with Justin Marks driving, i think its time to show them whats up.

The GMG GT3 got banned, go figure. XS Engineering's Eric Hsu, and just about eberybody else said it was an unfair advantage, Its not like its making 800 to all four wheels:confused . The fact is that the cyber Evo and the XS Skyline all have just as much if not more development than a 996 cup car, not even an rsr.

What are the "rules" of this little driving competition?

As for development...there's a difference in speed potential and development. There's probably more speed potential in the Evo and Skyline, but there's WAY more development in a Porsche Cup car, and certainly a LOT more in a RSR.

ive seen the build on the skyline, and they used every trick in the book, plus its making 800 plus at all four corners. The unlimited class has pretty much no limit aside from dot tires treadwear 100+, and no tubeframe monsters.

The skyline is a better car all around, James out-drove them. Wimps then complained that pro race cars should not be allowed!

ive seen the build on the skyline, and they used every trick in the book

They must have forgotten the suspension book, because the suspensions on the Evo, Sti, and Skyline all look pretty ho-hum in the videos. The Skyline lists a bolt-on springs/shocks kit in it's suspension "mods" section...just above where they list the stereo system and all of the "interior mods" like shift knobs and pedals. :D

James won because he out-drove them and had a car with a highly developed suspension and chassis.

They must have forgotten the suspension book, because the suspensions on the Evo, Sti, and Skyline all look pretty ho-hum in the videos. The Skyline lists a bolt-on springs/shocks kit in it's suspension "mods" section...just above where they list the stereo system and all of the "interior mods" like shift knobs and pedals. :D

James won because he out-drove them and had a car with a highly developed suspension and chassis.

That car has no stereo, ive seen it in person, no interior for that matter. It uses an Apexi 2way damper, not sure who makes the insert. The chassis is fully stitch welded with revised pickup points on the subframes to promote suspension geometry. It IS a purpose built car, with one purpose in mind, lapping BW as fast as possible. Tarzan is a great driver too, and a great guy.

Let me get this straight - they banned a car from the unlimited class because it was too unlimited? :confused

Just to get back on-topic for a second (sorry guys), is the turbo even in it's efficiency range at 10 psi?

Will

Nope, not yet!!!! lol

Good LORD!!!Congrats guys, that thing is gonna be a monster!
-Ted

BTW I didn't mean no Super Street time attack... i work for the Redline Time Attack series, we allow the GT3, and anothers.... Back to the topic at hand...

at what rpm do you see full boost

at what rpm do you see full boost
Full boost? I don't think that they've determined full boost yet.

that is correct. The boost controller was not working last night so we were working with just wastegate control. Tonight we will do some additional tuning and tomorrow we will go to Willow Springs to test. I will post more pics tonight and try to get some additional video.

Yes, the headers get RED and the paint will melt! That is ok - paint does not win races! LOL. Yes, we will wrap everything once we verify all is good.

Thanks
Brad

that is correct. The boost controller was not working last night so we were working with just wastegate control. Tonight we will do some additional tuning and tomorrow we will go to Willow Springs to test. I will post more pics tonight and try to get some additional video.

Yes, the headers get RED and the paint will melt! That is ok - paint does not win races! LOL. Yes, we will wrap everything once we verify all is good.

Thanks
Brad

what boost controller are you using?

what boost controller are you using?

You can actually see it in one of the pictures, AEM. I've heard they are awesome, I'm planning on using it with the AEM ECU from Evosport.

Jon is out TESTING today (:redspot ) so I will post some updates.

Some Day 27 Highlights (wrapping most things up for the shake down) (as always, clicking on the image takes you to all the pics)

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/build_day27_05.jpg (http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/)

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On the trailer ready to RUN!
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And the payoff, what you all have been waiting for:
http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/10psi_vs_20psi.jpg (http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351)
We have seen max boost of 32lbs so far with no downside, but are running at 20lbs currently. At 20lbs, we expect 30whp+ additionally once the break-in is complete and tuned.

Thanks,
Brad

....i think breath-taking is the word im looking for.

May I be the first to say ... crikey. Amazing job, to all involved.

-tammer

What's the purpose of the large copper disk under what I assume is an antenna? Is it to eliminate RF noise with a radio or perhaps enhance the antenna for a GPS receiver?

That power is obscene. I think I will go cry now. Can't wait to see it at Ofest though.

Good lord ... very nice. Any chance we'll see this beast in Canada in 2007? Mosport or Calabogie perhaps?

I notice you guys have the AEM mounted on the passenger side floor board. Are you worried about running in the rain out here on the east coast?

:buttrock

What's the purpose of the large copper disk under what I assume is an antenna? Is it to eliminate RF noise with a radio or perhaps enhance the antenna for a GPS receiver?

Ground plane I believe.

....i think breath-taking is the word im looking for.
May I be the first to say ... crikey. Amazing job, to all involved.
-tammer
THANKS!

What's the purpose of the large copper disk under what I assume is an antenna? Is it to eliminate RF noise with a radio or perhaps enhance the antenna for a GPS receiver?
Ground for the radio antenna. Carbon roof does not work well for radio reception.

That power is obscene. I think I will go cry now. Can't wait to see it at Ofest though.
LOL - thanks. We will be there with a team of cars!

Good lord ... very nice. Any chance we'll see this beast in Canada in 2007? Mosport or Calabogie perhaps?
Nope. Maybe 2008.

I notice you guys have the AEM mounted on the passenger side floor board. Are you worried about running in the rain out here on the east coast?
No, the AEM is on the transmission tunnel under the dash location. The main power distribution box is on the floor.

Thanks
Brad

Brad,

Do you expect to keep the rpms above 6k while racing? Amazing power no doubt, but one hell of a power curve between 5 and 6k, i.e. power increases from 200 to 400 with 700 rpms. Quick ratio tranny?

Great work. Can't wait for O'Fest.

Scott

the car will live between 6K and 9/9.5K. Max revs is in the 11K range so lots of headroom. It runs a 3.15, so you don't have to shift all that often (which is beneficial to keep the turbo "spooled" - make sense?

Thanks
brad

I was thinking the same thing... I thought that with a stand alone computer you were able to control the power output alittle smoother?

-Rick


Brad,

Do you expect to keep the rpms above 6k while racing? Amazing power no doubt, but one hell of a power curve between 5 and 6k, i.e. power increases from 200 to 400 with 700 rpms. Quick ratio tranny?

Great work. Can't wait for O'Fest.

Scott

Its a stock 6spd...if he falls under 5000rpm he'll need to downshift.

Its a rather small RPM band as pictured (realistically around 3000rpm), but don't forget, its really only an evening of tuning and under break in.

I'd also expect the torque for the higher boost setting, once tuned and setup to increase like the 10psi map did, as the 20psi torque actually decreases as rpm increases. Starts about 100ftlbs difference, and ends up about 50ftlbs apart.

The power is there for sure, not its just time to get it to be a wider torque band, with the driveability.

With the 3.15 he sho8uld be able to keep it in a select 3 gears and be good to go for most tracks.

Hell, with a 7k rpm limit, and a 3.62 I'll do 175 in 6th lol

Holy crap....from 5000 to 6000 RPM, an increase of 160 tq and 260 hp.....hope the TC works well!

Awesome numbers, Brad. What do you guys foresee as the usable rpm range of this motor based on gearing? If he can keep revs to minimum of, say, 5500 rpm at all times, this motor looks very driveable at it's current state of tune.

EDIT: wow this thread is moving too fast for me....damn those people who keep coming into my office and delaying my bfc time!!! :)

the car will live between 6K and 9/9.5K. Max revs is in the 11K range so lots of headroom. It runs a 3.15, so you don't have to shift all that often (which is beneficial to keep the turbo "spooled" - make sense?

Thanks
brad

i understand the engine is completely built but with the rpm's living upwards of 10k is this a motor that will need rebuilds during the season?

I'll betcha Jon is having fun today!!!!! :buttrock :buttrock

Jay

the car will live between 6K and 9/9.5K. Max revs is in the 11K range so lots of headroom. It runs a 3.15, so you don't have to shift all that often (which is beneficial to keep the turbo "spooled" - make sense?

Thanks
brad
:buttrock
That excites me. I'm excited to see this car on the track.

the car will live between 6K and 9/9.5K. Max revs is in the 11K range so lots of headroom. It runs a 3.15, so you don't have to shift all that often (which is beneficial to keep the turbo "spooled" - make sense?

Are ya'll planning to use 1st and 2nd gear?

c'mon Bryan - 1st and 2nd are for WIMPS

I love thinking that it would take approximately 4 of my car to equal the HP out of this blown beast... And I have .4 liters MORE displacement!!! :)

Jesse: I see a cool air intake. It's got a NOS fogger system and a T4 turbo, Dominic. I see an AIC controller.|It has direct port nitrous injection.

Toretto: Yeah. And a stand-alone fuel management system. Not a bad way to spend $10,000.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0232500/th-RXCL1536X1024_K18_34.jpg

the car will live between 6K and 9/9.5K. Max revs is in the 11K range so lots of headroom. It runs a 3.15, so you don't have to shift all that often (which is beneficial to keep the turbo "spooled" - make sense?

Thanks
brad

Completely. I knew that you had it all figured out. I had a hunch that the engine's optimal rev range was higher than the 8k indicated in the dyno sheet.

i understand the engine is completely built but with the rpm's living upwards of 10k is this a motor that will need rebuilds during the season?

The engine speeds of the destroked motor should be safe to rev the motor past 9k. That and the combination of a stout solid lifter head = :evil2

holders back online, story time!!!

No need to rev past 8K. Power curve is on a steady plateau after 7500. I would imagine the injection pulsing after 8K is going to require to much of a drop lower in the rpm range and lead to an increase in the high end peaking of the motor. No good to make max power in too narrow of a power band.
Looks great Brad, Jon and the boys. You won't need more power anyway and why not have the motor last longer. How did the coils like the heat from the exhaust maniflold?
O'fest is going to be fun. Bryan have you ever been to MSR? Might be a new track for most of the folks in the mod world.

Just got off the track for a 6 lap shakedown run and I am speechless. AMAZING AMAZING AMAZING - and that was with 10psi.

Going out later today with 20psi.

HOLY cr@p. I'm actually a bit frightened.

wow

:drool:

No need to rev past 8K. Power curve is on a steady plateau after 7500. I would imagine the injection pulsing after 8K is going to require to much of a drop lower in the rpm range and lead to an increase in the high end peaking of the motor. No good to make max power in too narrow of a power band.
Looks great Brad, Jon and the boys. You won't need more power anyway and why not have the motor last longer. How did the coils like the heat from the exhaust maniflold?
O'fest is going to be fun. Bryan have you ever been to MSR? Might be a new track for most of the folks in the mod world.

Thats right, no need to rev past 8 to make power, but its nice to be able to incase an upshift isnt ideal

HOLY cr@p. I'm actually a bit frightened.

:lol
Aside from just the ludicrous power, how's the suspension set up, etc. working out today? I'll be curious to know some test lap times, but I think I might be a little afraid to hear about what speed the car is carrying through T8 and down the front straight.

Insanity...that is all I can think of...:drool:

I was thinking the same thing... I thought that with a stand alone computer you were able to control the power output alittle smoother?

-Rick
Rick, I stated pretty clearly that this is a "shake-down" tune. It is not smooth as it is too rich, which is by design to be ultra conservative during the first outing.

Its a stock 6spd...if he falls under 5000rpm he'll need to downshift.

Its a rather small RPM band as pictured (realistically around 3000rpm), but don't forget, its really only an evening of tuning and under break in.

I'd also expect the torque for the higher boost setting, once tuned and setup to increase like the 10psi map did, as the 20psi torque actually decreases as rpm increases. Starts about 100ftlbs difference, and ends up about 50ftlbs apart.

The power is there for sure, not its just time to get it to be a wider torque band, with the driveability.

With the 3.15 he sho8uld be able to keep it in a select 3 gears and be good to go for most tracks.

Hell, with a 7k rpm limit, and a 3.62 I'll do 175 in 6th lol
The rev-range is 3500 (5.5K to 9K) which is the same usable rev range on a his old built S54 (4.5K-8K). Jon is used to this range and will be fine.

Like you said, ONE night of tuning. Lots to gain and smooth out. Cam timing, boost and wastegate control, etc. Lots to do still. It is all a progression.

Holy crap....from 5000 to 6000 RPM, an increase of 160 tq and 260 hp.....hope the TC works well!

Awesome numbers, Brad. What do you guys foresee as the usable rpm range of this motor based on gearing? If he can keep revs to minimum of, say, 5500 rpm at all times, this motor looks very driveable at it's current state of tune.

EDIT: wow this thread is moving too fast for me....damn those people who keep coming into my office and delaying my bfc time!!! :)
Thanks Scott! Yes, he will need to keep it above 5500 really, but with the 6 speed and a 3.15, that should be pretty doable. If not, then we will play with the rear end gearing.

Remember (for everyone, not aimed at Scott), this is a low compression 2.1L inline 6, so it is pretty dead without the turbo.

i understand the engine is completely built but with the rpm's living upwards of 10k is this a motor that will need rebuilds during the season?
Nope, not anymore then you normally would treat a race motor.

I'll betcha Jon is having fun today!!!!! :buttrock :buttrock

Jay
He is - wish I was with him! :(

:buttrock
That excites me. I'm excited to see this car on the track.
Yes, it should reset some peoples expectations and beliefs about turbo BMW race cars. And it is FUN!

Are ya'll planning to use 1st and 2nd gear?
LOL. Funny is with the gearing and power, we think we could see 210+ We spend a long time in each gear, but that is by design to load up the turbo.

Completely. I knew that you had it all figured out. I had a hunch that the engine's optimal rev range was higher than the 8k indicated in the dyno sheet.
Yes, we will likely limit it to 9000-9500 or so for a while at least.

The engine speeds of the destroked motor should be safe to rev the motor past 9k. That and the combination of a stout solid lifter head = :evil2
Yep. A lot of thought and engineering went into this to make it work (as you know). It is not a "bolt-on" kit for the new readers of this thread.

No need to rev past 8K. Power curve is on a steady plateau after 7500. I would imagine the injection pulsing after 8K is going to require to much of a drop lower in the rpm range and lead to an increase in the high end peaking of the motor. No good to make max power in too narrow of a power band.
Looks great Brad, Jon and the boys. You won't need more power anyway and why not have the motor last longer. How did the coils like the heat from the exhaust maniflold?
O'fest is going to be fun. Bryan have you ever been to MSR? Might be a new track for most of the folks in the mod world.
Don't bother to look at the curve. It is plateauing due to the tuning (rich). We will get it worked out over the next few days. Goal is to go to POC race next weekend at CA Speedway and run down some Turbo P-cars!

Thanks for all the nice comments guys!

Thanks
Brad

:lol
Aside from just the ludicrous power, how's the suspension set up, etc. working out today? I'll be curious to know some test lap times, but I think I might be a little afraid to hear about what speed the car is carrying through T8 and down the front straight.
We are not doing any "laptime" testing. It is a pure 100% shake down day.

Thanks
Brad

Just got off the phone with Holder. Congratulations, Brad, you've accomplished the one thing that to this day, as you well know, no other human being has: You've made Holder speechless! :D

He's had two runs that have gone well, both at 10 PSI. Said the handling's not there as would be expected from the first day on the track, where the goal is to shake down the drivetrain.....that's why he's a little bit, uh, nervous.

are you guys using the stock gear ratios?

:lol
Aside from just the ludicrous power, how's the suspension set up, etc. working out today? I'll be curious to know some test lap times, but I think I might be a little afraid to hear about what speed the car is carrying through T8 and down the front straight.considering he hit at least 155 in Turn 8 in the old car (as he often states when describing his agricultural excursion over to the Streets of Willow), I'm betting he's not going to take that turn flat out in the current car. :eyecrazy

I would like to know the top speed on the front straight though, that's gonna be amazing after they get the tuning done.

a good in car video would be great
hopefully without jon puking though

a good in car video would be great
hopefully without jon puking though


I know for a fact he has done that before. How do I know? I was the lucky one to get in afterwards in an enduro. He loves it when I tell that story! :devillook

and i, my friend, has seen his wreckage when his engine blew in 04 in T-hill
seeing him sit in the middle of the track, stuck, with puke on his lap

considering he hit at least 155 in Turn 8 in the old car (as he often states when describing his agricultural excursion over to the Streets of Willow), I'm betting he's not going to take that turn flat out in the current car.

Not to steer this thread off onto a tangent, but how the hell did he go off at turn 8 and end up over by the Streets course?! I could see ending up near the access road to it, but how would a car make it over there? Driving backwards on the course? :) Please point me to a thread if this has already been discussed.

Not to steer this thread off onto a tangent, but how the hell did he go off at turn 8 and end up over by the Streets course?! I could see ending up near the access road to it, but how would a car make it over there? Driving backwards on the course? :) Please point me to a thread if this has already been discussed.

Post #158. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346419&page=7

Considering we're using the same Steering (minus my motorsport geometry fix), Pedals, and calipers (he has 3ch abs, i have none) I'm VERY glad to hear from JOn earlier today that he loved them all! Said Braking with the Rotora's from Evosport were fantastic!

My car will be like his younger brother...not as strong (basic 2.8L-T engine) but a bit more agile (more susp/chassis development).

Man, so Happy for Evosport and Holder on the build so far, hopefully some of the other big boys will start stepping up there game and we'll see even more cars pushing the limits showing what can really be done when a professional (read that as real engineering) approach is taken!

Just because its not a professional race does not mean we can't use the same cars and design techniques.

Looking forward to Jon's posts this evening.

And the car looks MEAN with that bumper and that stance!

Not to steer this thread off onto a tangent, but how the hell did he go off at turn 8 and end up over by the Streets course?! I could see ending up near the access road to it, but how would a car make it over there? Driving backwards on the course? :) Please point me to a thread if this has already been discussed.S.Lang, you really need better proof than that. Like the photo in post 10 of the car near the Streets' parking lot:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613062

Unreal. Post 20 in that thread says he's flat out in T8 doing 155-158.

Here is an aerial photo, the big track is on the left, Turn 8 is the bottom right turn, and Streets of Willow is on the right, the light grey strip is the parking lot (the black square is the skidpad, and part of the track in certain configs, I think). Not sure how he got out there, but I guess he got some kind of trajectory when the motor blew and away he went.

S.Lang, you really need better proof than that. Like the photo in post 10 of the car near the Streets' parking lot:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613062

Unreal. Post 20 in that thread says he's flat out in T8 doing 155-158.

Here is an aerial photo, the big track is on the left, Turn 8 is the bottom right turn, and Streets of Willow is on the right, the light grey strip is the parking lot (the black square is the skidpad, and part of the track in certain configs, I think). Not sure how he got out there, but I guess he got some kind of trajectory when the motor blew and away he went.

See my attached pics. The OLD Motor in my OLD car blew at the turn in point for Turn 8. I roughly followed the line that I drew into the photo and roughly came to rest on the embankment right next to the streets parking lot.

Photographic Evidence Attached - also - report from today upcoming!!

See my attached pics. The OLD Motor in my OLD car blew at the turn in point for Turn 8. I roughly followed the line that I drew into the photo and roughly came to rest on the embankment right next to the streets parking lot.

Photographic Evidence Attached - also - report from today upcoming!!

Ah, ok that makes sense. I was under the impression that you went off mid-8, not entering the turn. Must have been exciting :)

where's the video? video of the new car, that is

update coming he said.

:eatpop:

update coming he said.

:eatpop:

I know! I've been monitoring this page ever since Holder said that!

Are you kidding? These war stories are just as entertaining!

OK, going back into the woodworks now ...

Ok, don’t know how to start. I am literally speechless as I write this. I have been having a hard time putting coherent sentences together since I got out of the car.

I went to Willow expecting something pretty cool, but nothing could prepare me for the first time the car came up on boost. It literally shot down the straight and hit the rev limiter before I knew what hit me (9000 rpm).

The guys at evosport have done an amazing job and with a couple more tweaks the car will be even more amazing.

Now all I need to do is grow some balls. It was literally a little scary to drive.

Here’s a little video clip:
Video (http://www.justracing.com/galleries/displayimage.php?album=197&pos=0)

wowzers. thats loud as hell, i cant even imagine what full boost is going to look/sound/drive like. this has got to be a very exciting time for you, congrats.

what kind of speeds were you seeing down that stretch?

Actually, it sounded like the db limit was not terrible, it was just a high pitch...Very Ferrari-ish. Needless to say, it sounded ridiculously awesome :)

Straight side exhaust with separate WG will be just a touch louder ;)

wow

remember Jon only drove at the 10psi setting today. lol 20psi will scare anyone!

remember Jon only drove at the 10psi setting today. lol 20psi will scare anyone!

As far as I am concerned, there really is no need for the 20 or 25 or 30 psi setting!!

Woohoo! I wanna play too.

Jay

Brad, Jon,
Master thread lurker here... just dropped in to say FRIGGIN WOW! I hope to see the car out at some club races up here, but please have pity on me.. I think you're going to suck my car up, grind it to shreds with your turbo and spit me out...

Brad, Jon,
Master thread lurker here... just dropped in to say FRIGGIN WOW! I hope to see the car out at some club races up here, but please have pity on me.. I think you're going to suck my car up, grind it to shreds with your turbo and spit me out...

I hear your car tastes like Chicken!!??

Lots of driver improvement for me to do before we can achieve total world domination Walter!! So - don't worry!

I hear your car tastes like Chicken!!??

Lots of driver improvement for me to do before we can achieve total world domination Walter!! So - don't worry!

Hahaha just squirt it down the straights and we'll all get blown off the track..


BTW I HAVE to post this:

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/brad_needstoshave.jpg

Brad's been working all night I see, wonder what he's been doing?

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/brad_needstoshave.jpg

Yiles!!!! First thing in the morning?

Hey Brad, I had to have new "Hudson" decals made up because I busted out the window last summer. The guy who makes up my decals made some extras so I could put a set on upside down. Whaddya think?

Jay

are you guys using the stock gear ratios?

We are using the stock trans and a DiffsOnline built 3.15 gear diff.

Thanks for the nice words Walter!

Hey Brad, I had to have new "Hudson" decals made up because I busted out the window last summer. The guy who makes up my decals made some extras so I could put a set on upside down. Whaddya think?

Jay
LOL - I will buy the beers if you show up to the first race with them upside down!

Thanks
Brad

jon, now all you need is a nicely painted helmet ;)

LOL - I will buy the beers if you show up to the first race with them upside down!

Thanks
Brad

I don't think I want to tempt fate. See you in a couple of weeks.


Jay

We are using the stock trans and a DiffsOnline built 3.15 gear diff.


just a 3.15? I'd use the 5spd tranny instead....

I'd let them do what they do!Looks good so far!!!!!!!!!!!




-Chris






QUOTE=like2short;9042038]just a 3.15? I'd use the 5spd tranny instead....[/QUOTE]

just a 3.15? I'd use the 5spd tranny instead....

Six Speed is rated at considerably higher for torque. Then again, Dan at DiffsOnline says he wants me to try one of his new 5 Speeds - so we will probably do that!!

Six Speed is rated at considerably higher for torque. Then again, Dan at DiffsOnline says he wants me to try one of his new 5 Speeds - so we will probably do that!!

What are the benefits of using a 5 speed, weight?

What are the benefits of using a 5 speed, weight?

Yep - 5 Speed weighs (I think) 24 lbs less than a 6 Speed.

Six Speed is rated at considerably higher for torque. Then again, Dan at DiffsOnline says he wants me to try one of his new 5 Speeds - so we will probably do that!!

Yeah, it was setup for the S50B32 Euro and S54 and is essentially the same trans as what is used for the V8s, including S62.

Nice think about the 5spds is they are cheap....and it a bit lighter and if you don't need all the gears.....

once again everything looks amazing :)

so if we're looking at 535+ hp at 20psi out of a low compression 2.1 L for the sake of shits and giggles, what kind of power are we talking at 0psi? ;)

i know i know dyno time aint cheep, but its always fun to take a look, and see what kind of numbers we're talking about if it were NA :)

Mercedes :confused


http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%2351/brad_needstoshave.jpg

Mercedes :confused


evosport serves not just BMW customers, but Mercedes and Ferrari as well.

Mercedes :confused

That's a picture of his new DTM car that he bought with the profits from the Holder project.....:D

Really cool project. The car sounds amazing.

now whos build are we going to watch :( :(

Don't worry! Still have lots to do. There will be pictures and progress for some time to come!

Really cool project. The car sounds amazing.
Thanks. Coming from you that means alot. I plan on getting Billy and Cort Wagner in the car at some point to help get the handling 100% dialed in. Maybe Joey also. Too bad you are so far away! Good luck this season!

now whos build are we going to watch :( :(
Well, we have these builds that we will be building threads on this season:

e46 M3 HP
e36 M3 LTW WideBody S54 CM
e46 M3 CM/DM/BM - not sure what motor yet
e90 DM into BM/AM Monster w/s62 V8


Thanks
Brad

I play on getting Billy and Cort Wagner in the car at some point to help get the handling 100% dialed in. Maybe Joey also.


i was wondering if anyone else was going to get seat time in Jon's new monster lol

Well, we have these builds that we will be building threads on this season:

e46 M3 HP
e36 M3 LTW WideBody S54 CM
e46 M3 CM/DM/BM - not sure what motor yet
e90 DM into BM/AM Monster w/s62 V8


Thanks
Brad

Can't wait. I'll be living vicariously through these threads.

My build should be coming back full swing soon :) (been on hiatus as its new home is being built, been designing parts and having them made in the mean time)

You can follow the progress in the meantime at www.jaffster.com

Does the 5spd use the same driveshaft as the 6spd (to mate to the 210)?

Can't wait. I'll be living vicariously through these threads.

what he said
ive always wanted to see a 3 series s62:buttrock

Does the 5spd use the same driveshaft as the 6spd (to mate to the 210)?

In an E46, who the heck knows since the 5 spd was not available with the M3. And I dunno about the shaft lengths.

In an E36 M3 Euro Versions, however, the Typ210 in the 3.2 version has a bolt input flange, that is just like the 6 bolt input flange for the typ 188 of the 3.0L version. So yes, in E36s, you swaps trans, and driveshafts and they are both compatible with either the typ 210 or the 6 bolt typ288

Thanks Jeff.

Edit: Brad answered it, thanks!

you cannot run a 5spd with the e46 m3 driveshaft. We do have parts in the shop to run either set-up though, as Dale ran the car with a 2.8L and 5-spd with e46 m3 diff.

you cannot run a 5spd with the e46 m3 driveshaft. We do have parts in the shop to run either set-up though, as Dale ran the car with a 2.8L and 5-spd with e46 m3 diff.

:)
I knew it would work!

I thought I would give you a brief update. Since testing last Friday, the motor has been in and out of the car to do a few things including wrapping the header and downpipe.


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Also - we got the front Vorsteiner Race Bumper painted and the graphics have gone on the car!

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We take it to the race track tomorrow where we will be competing in the Porsche Club of America Festival of Speed this weekend.

Hope to bring you good news and some video when I return!

don't forget in-car vids

Good Luck, awesome car!!!

car looks so good

Someone say movies!!!!? :eatpop:

Don't forget to paint the bumper support...don't want a rusty metal bar uglying up that gorgeous engine bay. :)

:urtheman

is there anything NOT perfect on this car?!

is there anything NOT perfect on this car?!
It's between the steering wheel and the seat. :)



























(I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

It's between the steering wheel and the seat. :)


You're not the only one that thought that. :-)

sexxxxxxxxxxxxxxy.

Nice job on the evosport heatshield covering the coils. You've got plenty of show and go now.
Jon, I hope you're enjoying the new adrenaline rush. There's nothing like horsepowah!!!

Why is the crankcase vent on the valve cover open to atmosphere? I thought this was a dry sump motor?

When i graduate with my mechanical engineering degree i pray to build stuff like that.

Why is the crankcase vent on the valve cover open to atmosphere? I thought this was a dry sump motor?

I was thinking the same thing after seeing the last couple pictures.

When i graduate with my mechanical engineering degree i pray to build stuff like that.


Where are you at school? You could be building faster vehicles if your school has an FSAE team :)

It's between the steering wheel and the seat. :)



























(I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.)
lol

M.E. here to. Cheers

Man that's looking good!! Are those headlight panels available??

Chris

Man that's looking good!! Are those headlight panels available??

Chris

Straight from the dealer my man!

there should be an attempt at making this marketable for the general mass
kinda like the RE wagon that ralphie has

there should be an attempt at making this marketable for the general mass
kinda like the RE wagon that ralphie has

Making what marketable, the entire car?

It is! Just write a check to Evosport and they'll build you one, ground up, to all your needs!

Straight from the dealer my man!

They looked pretty OEM, got a part number????

Chris

Actual prices may vary, mostlikely a lot cheaper if you have a dealer/oem connection. But even with these prices, $260 is not bad, figure easy 25% discount off these realoem prices. Or you can get a set of straight up fiberglass headlight skins, but I don't know of any made anymore for the E46 M3, maybe fiberartz? I see FIberartz has a new website done, but still under construction for the most part. Might want to give them a call. Looks like they still have Headlight Blanks/ducts listed on thier website, so worth a try.

Did you not have lights on your donor car?

01 LEFT COVER GLASS 63128382191 $49.94
01 RIGHT COVER GLASS 63128382192 $49.94

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/o/v/227.png


04 FRONT LEFT WHITE TURN INDICATOR 63137165857 $45.20
04 FRONT RIGHT WHITE TURN INDICATOR 63137165858 $45.20

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/r/s/146.png

03 COVER, PRIMED, LEFT 51138208679 $29.85
03 COVER, PRIMED, RIGHT 51138208680 $29.85

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/y/g/195.png

i'm excited to see pictures of the car completely together.

Steve, once Holders done you're going to have to pick up the pace on yours lol :D

Steve, once Holders done you're going to have to pick up the pace on yours lol :D

Yea, tell me about it. I have no control over its pace right now...once the new garage is up I'll be full steam ahead, with most of the parts on hand to finidh the car. I'm in no particular rush though, so I am not planning on being finished until 08 season. For now I'm just designing everything, and fabricating/machining everything so its all good to go when the time comes. Lots of new shiny parts piling up, but just can't start building it again just yet. Its ok, more time it takes, the more money I'll have available to put into it, so ultimately it will be good for the project :)

We take it to the race track tomorrow where we will be competing in the Porsche Club of America Festival of Speed this weekend.

Hope to bring you good news and some video when I return!

Updates? Results??

Well, I wish I had better news to report. The guys at evosport busted their butt's to get my car back together in time for the POC race last weekend, put the car on the dyno for a final systems check on Thursday night, and an electrical gremlin reared it's ugly head! They worked from Thursday at 6pm to Friday at 6pm (STRAIGHT) to troubleshoot the problem - to no avail. Everything was traced and checked and replaced and still no resolution.

On Friday night, I literally had to force the guys to stop working, go enjoy their weekend, and get their minds clear. They have been working non-stop for weeks. Brad's team is amazing with Gary, George, Mark, Jason, TJ, Sammy and Eric all working hard!!

Today, the guys resumed troubleshooting and when we are sure of the resolution I will let you all know. It was really frustrating to have an amazingly successful test at Willow, tear down the car just to check it, put it all back together exactly the same way it was and have an issue pop up - but I am sure they will figuere it all out.

So - back to the schedule. NASA in 2 weeks at Buttonwillow will now be our goal for a race weekend, followed the next week by BMWCCA at Laguna Seca.

Hope to have more news shortly!

Electrical problems seem to never be an easy fix. I feel your pain, well some of it at least.

That sucks, sorry to hear. Hopefully everything will be worked out for Buttonwillow.

NOSE!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope every thing can be worked out and running great!

If BMW only had off the shelf crate race motors as cheap as the Chevy beasts...Drop her in, quick off the shelf tune, 500-600hp for a fraction of the cost, reliable, easy parts, damnit!

Goodluck Jon, I'm sure it'll come together, and turn up to be something minuscule.

Hey Jon, sorry to hear about the gremlin(s). I'm confident those guys will have you going in no time. Hoping it's something simple for you bro.

Wiring problems are always the worst in terms of finding the problem.. Good Luck Jon and the EvoSport crew.. Can't wait to see more videos/pics...

Nice job on the evosport heatshield covering the coils. You've got plenty of show and go now.
Jon, I hope you're enjoying the new adrenaline rush. There's nothing like horsepowah!!!
Thanks - I doubt that most people saw or picked up on the shield! :D

Why is the crankcase vent on the valve cover open to atmosphere? I thought this was a dry sump motor?
Just not completed yet.

i'm excited to see pictures of the car completely together.

Steve, once Holders done you're going to have to pick up the pace on yours lol :D
Well, we will be moving on directly to our other projects. :buttrock

That sucks, sorry to hear. Hopefully everything will be worked out for Buttonwillow.
I think we are on to it, we will be running again today to verify! Cross your fingers.

We had a fuel pump fail, short to ground and it might have created some electrical issues as it did. If all goes well, we have found all the issues!

Thanks
brad

Yay!!!!!

good news / bad news - we did find some issues resolved, but not all.

The great news is that AEM, being the amazing partner that they are have invited the car and Gary to their R&D facility to assist in sorting the electronics. There is a fear that the EMS may have taken a shock or short in one of the boards that does not show in bench testing, so they are digging in with us to get resolution!

It sucks when not everything falls into place, but that is real life, especially in large projects and complicated race car builds. What is amazing is having partners like AEM, Turbonetics, Rotora, Vorsteiner, Enkei, Sparco, etc. that really work with us as a TEAM, not just parts suppliers.

Happy Easter all!

Thanks
Brad

sounds like your team is well established within the realm of motorsports.

that should be an experience.

Your running the factory ECU??

AEM not OEM :)

Ems

Ooopps..... I miss read. I was thinking EWS, ... but it was EMS

You be confuZ-Ed :)

Keep up the hard work Evosport, thanks for filling us in with the updates.

Holy smokes, why did I not click on this the past 100 times I saw it? This car and build is INCREDIBLE. I love all the details - each photo is like a puzzle that you can sit and stare at for a while and keep finding new things to wow you. Very kind of you to share this with us - I hope to see this car at VIR or any track I happen to be at in the future.

This makes most cars you see at the track look like they are put together with duct tape and zip ties. There is no comparison. Simply amazing!

You be confuZ-Ed :)
..........
... no, ... too many glasses of wine...... :confused :stickoutt

The great news is that AEM, being the amazing partner that they are have invited the car and Gary to their R&D facility to assist in sorting the electronics. There is a fear that the EMS may have taken a shock or short in one of the boards that does not show in bench testing, so they are digging in with us to get resolution!


I hope you get it sorted out in time for Laguna. I'm looking forward to seeing/hearing that "hair dryer" doodad.

Mine is as ready as it'll get. I still have to find some time off when it's not raining so I can clean it up a bit. Still has last year's TH bugs all over the front along with dust and racoon tracks. Yeah..... I know. I finally bought a car cover for it.

Jay

any updates???

I was waiting for Brad to give an update, but here's a quick one! The car is FIXED!! The evosport guys and the AEM engineers spent all day Thursday working on the issue at AEM, this was after the evosport guys had literally poured over the car, checking and rechecking it.

We can point to a few issues that were resolved, and cam timing contributed a lot to our problem, but we know a lot more now and the car is running better than ever!

Looking forward to Laguna this weekend, if the weather holds!! Rain in the forecast :(

Looking forward to Laguna this weekend, if the weather holds!! Rain in the forecast :(

Glad it's all fixed and ready to go, and looking forward to seeing it in action this weekend.

Just bring good tires and keep the boost down. You'll be fine! :devillook

Glad it's all fixed and ready to go, and looking forward to seeing it in action this weekend.

Just bring good tires and keep the boost down. You'll be fine! :devillook


If I turn down the boost, I have no power!! Remember, this is a 2 liter motor!!!!

If I turn down the boost, I have no power!! Remember, this is a 2 liter motor!!!!
Yeah, but in the rain you'll have a chance to show off your superior driving talent :D

Jim - has no talent, doing a "dry dance" :)

P.S. Glad to hear it's fixed and will be up here!

Yep - no rain please!

Yes, a few small things, the biggest being that the timing wheel on the schrick cam we are using was slightly different then stock cams, and it gave us all a fit. Once it was shaved and positioned correctly, the car came back to life! Now making 450whp at 10psi on a mustang dyno (about 490 on a dynojet). At hight boost levels it is just scary!

Thanks
Brad

Damn, might have to get some bigger rear fenders soon, slap some 305's to control the power :)

i hope we get plenty of vids this season from you guys.

i hope we get plenty of vids this season from you guys.

!

vids will be posted from multiple cars all year!

Brad & Jon, How did the Vorsteiner bumper/splitter combonation perform? Particularly, how does it compare to previous 'conventional' set ups you have run?

As many have said...fantastic build out! I look forward to the results from Laguna Seca. Just wish I could be there...

Brad & Jon, How did the Vorsteiner bumper/splitter combination perform? Particularly, how does it compare to previous 'conventional' set ups you have run?


Judging from the pics/design, it will be considerably more efficient then the standard setups run in BMWCCA. They have run a splitter integrated setup on lagoni's car, and have had several offs, with some light fiberglass repair, its easy to fix (barring any extreme offroading adventures). The lack of brake ducts allows for a big jump in front d/l, as well there not being any seams/gaps.

I'm planning to use this bumper, and since it has the same style/design splitter as I was going to design, it'll be easy to integrate into my other underbody components. Very trick bumper, and looks great!

This is from the other thread, but here is the bumper on an HP car that Evosport did for Lance Armstrong Foundation that raced this weekend at Laguna.

http://www.fototime.com/%7B281F0BA4-4E6B-4ABA-8838-F54F3F834F3E%7D/picture.JPG

Brad & Jon, How did the Vorsteiner bumper/splitter combonation perform? Particularly, how does it compare to previous 'conventional' set ups you have run?

As many have said...fantastic build out! I look forward to the results from Laguna Seca. Just wish I could be there...
Cannot compare apples to apples yet, as we did not get any good data from Lagoni's car as it broke a ring. We will get great data at Willow. However, Holder said the car had almost too much front end grip, and that is with his monster wing at full DF setting.

Thanks
Brad

how come there is no brake ducts on the lance armstrong car ?

how come there is no brake ducts on the lance armstrong car ?

The brakes don't need the extra cooling, allows for a much more aero friendly front end.

The brakes don't need the extra cooling, allows for a much more aero friendly front end.

what brake pads if you dont mind me asking, i have the vorst csl bumper and have always wonder if i need brake ducts or not. my pagid orange seems to be ok though.

what brake pads if you dont mind me asking, i have the vorst csl bumper and have always wonder if i need brake ducts or not. my pagid orange seems to be ok though.

Talk to Brad. He posted info in a recent thread about how their brakes are working without the extra cooling (very well).

Interesting that you mentioned the front has "almost too much front end grip". I "only" have the 55" MA Shaw wing that has a slightly wider chord and possibly a little more aggressive air foil section but Evosports has quit a bit more over all width if I recall correctly. I think the overall weight of the Evosport wing is a lot less and just better made period.

Let us know how Willow Springs goes, and thanks again.

Steve, what wing have you decided to to run in the rear...if you don't mind me asking. Hopefully your garage project is going (finishing?) well...drooling here....

Steve, what wing have you decided to to run in the rear...if you don't mind me asking. Hopefully your garage project is going (finishing?) well...drooling here....

I am making my own wing. I am actually consulting with Simon Mcbeath, author of Competition Car Downforce. I'm thinking about doing a dual element, but thats what Simon is going to help with, determining if its worth it. I will say the wing will not be super wide, but it is mounted by the end plates :) End plates are currently in production...hopefully will have them in my hands mid May. I had a composites shop change, so that delayed the project a couple months, but its all good now. Rear diffuser design is done, and since I am using that front bumper, the splitter is done too.

Garage Project is taking longer than expected, but i'm working on collecting parts and getting funds ready for when the project goes back full steam ahead lol I'm drooling too, but from being frustrated looking at all these parts piling up and nothing to put them on :( Soon though...soon!

I always appreciate the technical experience you bring to each decision... Also, although you don't know me from Adam (yet) I'm one from the silent masses that really enjoys your build out and accompanying photos. Although I'm out west (Arizona), I hope to see your car in person some day (you too).

Thanks...maybe at some point it would be out west, but I would not count on it too soon.

I should have some photos soon, as some of the stuff I've had to keep kind of quiet as the material is here but the parts were not finished yet.

Ok - a little update after Laguna Seca this weekend! We had a mixed wet/dry weekend, so there was as much driver development as there was car development this weekend.

Here are the things we think we know -
1) The little Turbo 2.1 liter motor is AMAZINGLY powerful! It's also as linear as a lightswitch in its current configuration. We will fix this!
2) The Motorsports Chassis is AMAZING! It's so much better than this driver has talent for!
3) The ergonomics of the car are incredible! evosport has done a great job accomplishing exactly what I want in the car
4) Turbo racecars are almost impossible to drive in the damp. I snap spun the car so fast I have NO IDEA how it hapened. Well I do, I just don't know if I could have caught it even if I knew it was going to happen!
5) Turbo racecars are amazingly fast in the dry!! Point them straight, nail the throttle and AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
6) I need a lower diff. We went with a 3.15, but the motor needs some mechanical advantage of a 3.64 or so.

So - plans!
1) Smaller Turbo?
2) Smaller Intake?
3) Bigger Diff
4) More talent for the driver

We shall see how we do at Willow Springs in 2 weeks!!

I really like the "Big Nuts Required" sticker you have there too... :lol

how come there is no brake ducts on the lance armstrong car ?

The brakes don't need the extra cooling, allows for a much more aero friendly front end.
Correct. Also, we do have provisions for brake ducts "hidden" in the rad opening. We typically tape them off, but have the option to use them.

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7763.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7761.JPG

what brake pads if you dont mind me asking, i have the vorst csl bumper and have always wonder if i need brake ducts or not. my pagid orange seems to be ok though.
Orange are good with little ducting. Even better are the new Reybestos St43 and St44 pads.

Ok - a little update after Laguna Seca this weekend! We had a mixed wet/dry weekend, so there was as much driver development as there was car development this weekend.
What jon did not tell you all as he is a bit modest is that he started almost last in the race (we had some welds in the intake manifold fail on Saturday which took us out) and got up to third by running the fastest laps of any car on the track (3/10ths of the track record for CR). We got screwed by SCCA as they black flagged him for "fuel spillage" which never happened and held him in the pits for almost 2 laps. ARGHH. We would have won CM and was positioned to fight for overall (even though he started nearly last) if it had not been for the black flag. Sometimes that's racing - but it was a big disappointment.

The good news is that the car is fast now, even with a lot more to do and jon still has a lot to learn about it as it is so different from any car he has previously raced.

Thanks
Brad

SCCA hold back a BMW for being too fast...never heard of that before:rolleyes

it was really a frustrating deal for me and our team who have worked so hard to get the car race and win ready. Sad. I think we were more upset then Jon.

Congrats all over guys. This is great info to hear!!!!

Now I really have to make it out to one of the races soon!

Where are you at school? You could be building faster vehicles if your school has an FSAE team


I am currently attending Cal Poly Pomona, any intership openings?

Where are you at school? You could be building faster vehicles if your school has an FSAE team


I am currently attending Cal Poly Pomona, any intership openings?

What is this a reply to?

Hi, asked if you guys at Evosport higher mechanical engineers or engineering students for interns, essentially my dream job, also i am local:).

Hi, asked if you guys at Evosport higher mechanical engineers or engineering students for interns, essentially my dream job, also i am local:).

Get higher or get hired? :)

Get higher or get hired? :)

Neither like that.

Neither like that.

lol I was thinking the exact same thing.

Hi, asked if you guys at Evosport higher mechanical engineers or engineering students for interns, essentially my dream job, also i am local:).I overlooked the typo, and YES we sometimes do. Email me direct (brad@evosport.com).

Thanks
Brad

Correct. Also, we do have provisions for brake ducts "hidden" in the rad opening. We typically tape them off, but have the option to use them.

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7763.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7761.JPG


Thanks
Brad

I really like this setup since it allows you to easily remove the front bumper without disconnecting any hoses. It is simply constructed of aluminum panels and some molded air ducts?

I was thinking about doing this to my IP car since my oil cooler is mounted in a similar fashion and I need to hook up my brake ducts. I've been reviewing the rules and it doesn't look like there are any rule prohibiting this in Prepared.

I've been reviewing the rules and it doesn't look like there are any rule prohibiting this in Prepared.

The better question is to ask whether there are any rules ALLOWING it in Prepared. ;) :stickoutt

The better question is to ask whether there are any rules ALLOWING it in Prepared. ;) :stickoutt



Yeah, good point. :stickoutt

200-300 hours for a shop, that means multiple mechanics...if we're talking actual hours worked from all individuals, you can get up there for a very indepth build.

Even if we take a 4 week build with a dedicated team, five days a week, 16 hours a day, with 3 members....thats just under 1000 hours right there!

FSAE teams often get well over 10000+ hours into a project that takes place over an average of 4-6 months...plus they are 99% Full time engineering students, its insane.

In regard to the FSAE teams, it's amusing considering the cars don't even finish a 30 minute (or so) autocross style race :lol3

Holder, your car is simply incredible

Hello, emailed you.

I overlooked the typo, and YES we sometimes do. Email me direct (brad@evosport.com).

Thanks
Brad

In regard to the FSAE teams, it's amusing considering the cars don't even finish a 30 minute (or so) autocross style race :lol3

What do you mean? Have you seen the recent endurance events run at any of the 9 official Fsae events worldwide?

What do you mean? Have you seen the recent endurance events run at any of the 9 official Fsae events worldwide?

I've got a recent Racecar Engineering magazine that talked about the problem

Which Month?

Sorry for taking the thread OT.

September 06 (Relatively recent)

Ah, that article, the report. Yea, there were some good articles in that issue. Specifically the one interviewing Renault F1's Engineering Director Pat Symonds. Interesting that he suggested getting into clubracing at some point at some level :)

I only see like 2 sentences really mentioning the reliability issues, 99% of the articles in fsae are in regards to how great it is for the engineering and automotive industry.

I still feel the drawback to many of these teams is they are losing track of what the real task at hand is, making a car thats fast and reliable, while still pushing the engineering limits.

Correct. Also, we do have provisions for brake ducts "hidden" in the rad opening. We typically tape them off, but have the option to use them.

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7763.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/bmw/e46/M3%23611/IMG_7761.JPG


Orange are good with little ducting. Even better are the new Reybestos St43 and St44 pads.


What jon did not tell you all as he is a bit modest is that he started almost last in the race (we had some welds in the intake manifold fail on Saturday which took us out) and got up to third by running the fastest laps of any car on the track (3/10ths of the track record for CR). We got screwed by SCCA as they black flagged him for "fuel spillage" which never happened and held him in the pits for almost 2 laps. ARGHH. We would have won CM and was positioned to fight for overall (even though he started nearly last) if it had not been for the black flag. Sometimes that's racing - but it was a big disappointment.

The good news is that the car is fast now, even with a lot more to do and jon still has a lot to learn about it as it is so different from any car he has previously raced.

Thanks
Brad

Which car is the one in these pictures?

Looks like Lagoni's CM 3.4L beast.

Mike, how've you been? Projects coming along nicely?

Looks like Lagoni's CM 3.4L beast.

correct

Looks like Lagoni's CM 3.4L beast.

Mike, how've you been? Projects coming along nicely?

Extremely busy with expansion/upgrade project at ACT. Just took delivery of the 335iC Monday....SWEET machine!

Hoping to go racing at Lime Rock very soon, but the projects are dragging FAR behind expectations/scheduling due to non-vehicle-related problems. Looks like the V8 car will be doubtful for the trip. The DM Turbo project is moving along fairly well in phase one and I've just purchased a dual VANOS engine for use in the final DM race version should the rules concerning forced induction in Modified classes remain unchanged for next season (the single VANOS prototype will make a fine sleeper in my ti for the street once the big-dawg is ready to be unleashed if displacement limits and multiplier remain the same for '08). If I'm fortunate enough to make LRP event, I guess it will be with the same chassis/engine combo I was running this same time last year (with the exception of hopefully having only one brand of dampers in use at a time this year!) since nothing else appears to be nearing completion anytime soon.

Your project back underway yet....or is the Garage-Mahal not yet completed? ;)

Lol, I'm making progress, unfortunately physical building won't resume for a couple months probably. Its ok, got some more parts to collect (and more importantly some more funds to finish collecting) so I can finish it all at once with no delays. I have the composite aero stuff 99% designed, just waiting to do some cfd on the dual element.

For LImerock you should just slap in a stock 3.2L :) HP does not do much there, its all handling.

Mike, if you need anything from my ever growing vast pile of spares to make the Lime Rock event, you are more than welcome. I'll be stuck to a limited schedule this year with work commitments, so I want to try and have as much fun as possible at each event. Without your gregarious nature, that would leave a difficult hole to patch.

Mike, if you need anything from my ever growing vast pile of spares to make the Lime Rock event, you are more than welcome. I'll be stuck to a limited schedule this year with work commitments, so I want to try and have as much fun as possible at each event. Without your gregarious nature, that would leave a difficult hole to patch.

Lol! I appreciate your kind words and even more so the offer of spares. At this point, I HOPE we have everything we need from a parts standpoint to be ready. I believe that all there is remaining is labor to get it all back together in time to make the rather long tow from east Tennessee to LRP. Since the car is even further away in Birmingham, AL, that adds another 4.5-5 hours to the tow if they bring me the car or 9-10 hours if not. Obviously, I'm hoping to refrain from adding a trip to B'ham on the long to-do list prior to departing for LRP in about two weeks....unfortunately that's not much time when we try to fit all the "fun" into the regular work schedules and throw-in a holiday weekend in between.

Thanks for the offer. I'll certainly keep it in mind if something unexpected comes up, but otherwise we'll just try to keep burning the midnight oil to get it all back together in time. I'm sure all those great improvements you've made to your already awesome machine will pay great dividends at LRP since you evidently now have great handling to go along with the serious power you were putting down last year when we were having so much fun at WGI. Willy Turnburd told me that he was planning to drive some too? Should be a hoot! Hope to see you there.

So how much does this car weigh?

This car is truly amazing after seeing it in person.

Did you go and see my baby? I usually have to visit it a couple times a week.

Yeah she is so awesome, love to hear her rev! How does she pull?

Yeah she is so awesome, love to hear her rev! How does she pull?

Its seriously the first car that has ever scared me when it revs. You go from 5k to 10k in the blink of an eye, bang off the rev limiter and shift, repeat! My 3 other racecars have been aero limited and reach a maximum speed at Willow or Cal Speedway that I could live with and be ok with. This car just accelerates right through that speed and keeps going. It makes my heart beat fast!!

Hard to explain. It scares the sh!t out of me! Which is nice!

When does full boost start?

I've really only driven it with 12 psi as the "maximum boost" and it hits that at about 4500. Gary and the evosport guys built it with 30psi of boost as the upper limit, but I don't think we will need to go there.

30 psi!!!!!, holy god!

is 670hp with 12psi of boost, or 30? what's the reliability like so far?

670 was with about 25 psi I think.

Car is still in development. So far we have upgraded to M&W CDI's in order to make sure the plugs fire all the way up to 10k rpm and we have blown 1 head gasket from misfires during the development process. Our next test will be at Willow Springs in 2 weeks time, where we will run the car in 100 degree heat during a club race weekend. We have made big gains in development and I am confident that we will get the reliability to where I need it to be.

Everybody at evosport is committed to that!

Just to help out, I laid hands on some of your motor components when I was at the shop a couple of weekes ago. Everything should be okey-doke now ;)

You're ready to rock 'n roll.

Good luck at WS. Next for me is TH in Oct.

Jay

holy hell, I just spent the last few hours reading over this build.
Evo guys, amazing job on this build.
Holder, you are lucky, lucky SOB to be able to drive this car!
Amazing, just simply amazing!

jon, can you post pics of the car in its final state? ie. sponsor logos and all.

also, you need to give your helmet some love!

I will get some better pictures asap - My Sig pic is the "final" product as of Laguna, but we will have the Sponsor Livery on the car for Willow Springs in a week.

I need to first BUY a new helmet, and then get it painted! You offering a "sponsorship deal" Tyler??? Hint, hint!

maybe, PM me

I need to first BUY a new helmet, and then get it painted! You offering a "sponsorship deal" Tyler??? Hint, hint!

Spend $20k with him, then get the next $20k at a 5% discount (that is what I learned from the sponorship thread).

Spend $20k with him, then get the next $20k at a 5% discount (that is what I learned from the sponorship thread).

:lol Yes, that's what I was able to ascertain after reading that thread also.

We have just returned from the BMWCCA Club Race at Willow Springs in the beautiful desert town of Rosamond. It was HOT! As Scott Lang says, surface of the sun kinda hot. 168 was the highest recorded track temperature I found - that kinda hot!

I have GREAT NEWS!!

The evosport 2.1 liter did AWESOME!! In 115 degree heat, we ran the Friday Practice Day and then the Club Races on Saturday and Sunday. Car was flawless! Water temps ran a little high, until the evosport crew created a radiator misting system using 3 windshield wiper squirters, a reservoir and pump all activated by the AEM engine management computer. Yep - I didn't even have to THINK about it! The mister just turned on at 225 degrees and turned off at 215. It was AMAZING! I like it almost as much as my Air Jacks!

Let me tell you about the motor. We have been chasing issues for a month that we finally narrowed down to the head that was provided to us by a nationally known builder. It was CRAP. Unfortunately the valves and seats used were of poor metalurgy and failed - causing us untold issues - losing lash and going out of adjustment - bad cams causing a harmonic in the motor - causing misfires and all kinds of problems.

A week ago, we installed an evosport designed head and stock M3 Cams - the car ran PERFECT! No misfires, no issues - just absolutely perfect.

At the drop of the green flag, I honestly thought I had accidentally jumped the start as I left the field in the dust. I had brought the field up in 2nd gear at 4500 rpm (right in the meat of my torque band) with my foot on the brake building boost. The car lept away and I was gone. 3 second lead after 1 lap, 6 second after 2, etc. The car was setup great and we all know that Willow Springs is probably the PERFECT track for a turbo car with it's fast straights, and long corners. We will see how we do on a small tight track like PIR or Buttonwillow where turbo lag could hurt us (time for a bit smaller turbo).

To say the evosport guys did an amazing job is an understatement! They had all the spares we needed (eventhough we used practically none of them) - all the mechanics busted their butts supporting the 5 evosport cars and everybody had an amazing attitudein the 115 degree heat.

I want to say thanks publicly to all the guys at EVOSPORT!! You are the best shop out there! PERIOD - THE END!

Oh and to summarize, 1st overall on both Saturday and Sunday with a best time of 1:25 flat. I ran 1:26's on Sunday with an average speed of 119mph.

Any questions, feel free to ask!!

Any questions, feel free to ask!!

Can't you go faster? :devillook :redspot

Atta boy Jon!!!

Can't you go faster? :devillook :redspot

LOL - yes, there's probably 2 more seconds in the car at Willow with good weather and favorable winds (read, not a 25mph headwind down the front straight).

I'm still giggling from this weekend.

LOL - yes, there's probably 2 more seconds in the car at Willow with good weather and favorable winds (read, not a 25mph headwind down the front straight).

I'm still giggling from this weekend.

Yeah, I'm sure with the temps about, say... 35-40 degrees less in the spring or late fall that you'd have just that much more "oomph."

For anyone who hasn't been to Willowsprings, 1:25 is F.A.S.T. Jeezus!

Yeah - the crazy thing is that in order to deal with the extreme heat, Gary kept removing boost and detuning the car little by little. We ended the weekend probably only making 450 hp to the wheels - about 100hp less than we did on the dyno. I can't imagine how fast this car would be on a nice 75 degree morning.

I can't imagine how fast this car would be on a nice 75 degree morning.

ludicrous speed, GO!
Jake

Standing at the end of the front straight and watching the car go into Turn 1, that frickin' machine sounded like a damn fighter jet on a fly by. :eek:

ludicrous speed, GO!
Jake

"Stoooop thiiiiis thiiiiiiiiiiiiing" :eyecrazy Classic

Unfortunately a lot of us never get to see Holder's car run from pit lane. Oh, we see it go by us on track, and it's fast, but I felt like skipping a session just to see/hear it run.

Videos....

LOL - yes, there's probably 2 more seconds in the car at Willow with good weather and favorable winds (read, not a 25mph headwind down the front straight).

I'm still giggling from this weekend.

I bet you could get below 1:20 at Willow Springs with more seat time, boost and good weather....

Videos....

Coming Soon! Video capture of Saturday's Race In Car is happening as I type this. Couple hours and it will be on Google Video - Will give a link.

"Stoooop thiiiiis thiiiiiiiiiiiiing" :eyecrazy Classic

Holder's gone plaid :lol

Hey John its marco from evosport I left my ipod in your glovebox of the excursion.

20yrs old that movie is this year....

If my laptop did not suck so much I'd be able to post some funny pics, pos.

Is that the ipod I saw on ebay under Holder's user name? Said something about having to recover the high cost of LED-equipped washer nozzles.

Hahaha i actually bough those led nozzles at autozone, i was disappointed when they opted not to wire the lights!

1 2 3 4, thats something an idiot would have on his luggage!

Is that the ipod I saw on ebay under Holder's user name? Said something about having to recover the high cost of LED-equipped washer nozzles.

I already sold that!!!!

J/K - Marco, I gave it to Mark to bring into work. I though it was Gary's - so tell Mark it's yours!

See ya!

Great thanks, congrats on the win!!!

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We cant stop.....

BULLSHIT!!!

I think almost every line of that movie is an unforgettable quote.

"we're watching now, now"
"i'm surrounded by assholes"

classic...

With the addition of the giant Turbo, Jon's intake tract has transformed from "Suck" to "Blow"...

Video is up - click HERE (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9172851014915737787)

Video is up - click HERE (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9172851014915737787)

:eek:

WSIR has never looked so short!

yeah talk about driving by the seat of your pants.

Jon-

The acceleration is amazing. I know it's not the case but most of the time it seems like you're not even pushing it. Just a liesurely drive :rolleyes

You'd better get some loctite for that mirror ;)

Jay

Jon-

The acceleration is amazing. I know it's not the case but most of the time it seems like you're not even pushing it. Just a liesurely drive :rolleyes

You'd better get some loctite for that mirror ;)

Jay

I pushed it hard for 3 laps. Then I managed the lead and the water temps.

I think I am just going to weld the mirror!!! :)