For the people that pm'ed me and any one interested In these please pm me again.

I want one :) please

I want one :) please

No problem pm me got some new sizes available

not available for the s52 yet is it? =/

not available for the s52 yet is it? =/

+1 Also pricing and sizes available would be useful.

+1 Also pricing and sizes available would be useful.

What he said ;)

The more he orders for people, the more the price goes down.. keep that in mind, guys. :)

Cost is significantly below Evosport's $400 price gouge.

not available for the s52 yet is it? =/



+2 ?:)

not available for the s52 yet is it? =/

no :(

Is it in development for the S52? I am planning to be buying a cometic in the next month or so, but I would rather wait and use this if its going to be out in the next couple months.

not available for the s52 yet is it? =/

They come is thicknesses from .043-.090 and are avaliable up to 85.7mm bore, its very close to a standard bore of a 3.0 or a 3.2 of 86mm, close but no cigar, in order to fit the sealing ring there must be a minimum of 200 thousands between the cylinders. :)

Cost is significantly below Evosport's $400 price gouge.
:redspot :buttrock :alright I love that!!!!!

Is it in development for the S52? I am planning to be buying a cometic in the next month or so, but I would rather wait and use this if its going to be out in the next couple months.
No it cant be done

but cometic has somthing that looks promising gas fill rings to seal the combustion chamber.You might want to look into this

No it cant be done

but cometic has somthing that looks promising gas fill rings to seal the combustion chamber.You might want to look into this
where would one find info on this....blaaaahh should I just use the m52 block I have? =/ stupid m3 motor haha

I did a search and those rings are gas filled Phuzion rings. Looks like they lay inside the MLS headgasket.

Seems like youd have to get an OVERBored headgasket to fit the rings in there rite?

says they make them in 85, 87, 88, 89, 90, 93mm bores etc.

This is the first I have heard of these, where did you find them VAC or Cometic's website. Mine hasn't gone it yet maybe I need some of these.

I found it from google, its on cometics site:

www.cometic.com/phuzion.aspx

Very cool I wonder if cometic makes an 88mm bore head gasket for the M3. Then I could fit these in. Checking tomorrow :)

Very cool I wonder if cometic makes an 88mm bore head gasket for the M3. Then I could fit these in. Checking tomorrow :)

http://www.cometic.com/catalogs/sportcompact.pdf

Pg 3 aty the bottom shows 88mm. Just curious though, I see that operating thickness is .051? Can you find out other options from them if you call manana? Does this require machining the block?

http://www.cometic.com/catalogs/sportcompact.pdf

Pg 3 aty the bottom shows 88mm. Just curious though, I see that operating thickness is .051? Can you find out other options from them if you call manana? Does this require machining the block?
According to that PDF, you need to have both the block and head machined.

Awesome to have yet another option out there!!

According to that PDF, you need to have both the block and head machined.

Awesome to have yet another option out there!!

sooooo who's guna try it first? lol

I'm already experimenting with the SCE ICS Titan. The problem with the phuzion is that it's only .053" thick. Our stock HG is .071ish. This means that to properly do this, you need custom pistons designed around the thinner HG.

The SCE comes in .080, so if it sucks for some reason it's simple enough to throw in a .080 Cometic MLS.

Sounds like no rings for me then. I have a .80 going in. Damn it looked like a good alternative. My block is out though so is machining it for fire rings another possiblity.

Sounds like no rings for me then. I have a .80 going in. Damn it looked like a good alternative. My block is out though so is machining it for fire rings another possiblity.

Call me.. Install 11mm studs, or even a 1/2 inch stud kit. :)

I will be pushing the ICS titan HG this season with 11mm studs.
84.5mm bore.

So I should install the 11mm studs with my SCE head gasket? I dont have to machine my head for the SEC gasket either?

So I should install the 11mm studs with my SCE head gasket? I dont have to machine my head for the SEC gasket either?
No machining needed

No machining needed

I thought some type of machining was needed to use 11mm studs????

I thought some type of machining was needed to use 11mm studs????

Machining to the short block to accomidate the larger stud. :)

Machining to the short block to accomidate the larger stud. :)
What are you using for the threads that can handle the torque?

I thought some type of machining was needed to use 11mm studs????

I was talking about for the gasket

is this the secret form blowing the head?

I was talking about for the gasket
ahh i misread it, but now i know:)

is this the secret form blowing the head?

I wouldn't call it a secret. Larger diameter fasteners = more clamping force.

can someone please explain to me why the sce gasket is better then the mls??? Im looking at my mls with discomfort. I really dont think i wanna run this gasket. its practically a deck plate.

can someone please explain to me why the sce gasket is better then the mls??? Im looking at my mls with discomfort. I really dont think i wanna run this gasket. its practically a deck plate.
Go to SCE gaskets and read about the Titan head gasket its pretty trick

I wouldn't call it a secret. Larger diameter fasteners = more clamping force.

no im talking about the gasket. this is regarding ics's "secret"

no im talking about the gasket. this is regarding ics's "secret"
No there way is alot better

No there way is alot better
It does involve 11mm studs though, as well as alot more work done to the shortblock to prevent distortion. (they require the shortblock be removed and disassembled to do the machining, etc)

It does involve 11mm studs though, as well as alot more work done to the shortblock to prevent distortion. (they require the shortblock be removed and disassembled to do the machining, etc)

Lets just say oversize studs an a few other goodies,but yes motor has to come out

Fire-Rings?

So, who is running this and what's your feedback? I'll have my whole system apart soon so it would be a good time to switch to one of these.

So, who is running this and what's your feedback? I'll have my whole system apart soon so it would be a good time to switch to one of these.
WTF?

WTF?

Yea, what Cam said WTF

:shifty

I went back to MLS after having issues with my SCE Titan not sealing properly from the getgo, following both Evosport's and Rebello's sealing recommendation. I did not have any sealing issues with my old .14" MLS.

I dont see the issue with pressure passing through the layers when my new gasket is only .04" anyways. I will follow old sealing procedures with the MLS.

WTF?
I bought StreuB1's whole top mount setup, so I have to take everything off to install it. :)

:shifty

I went back to MLS after having issues with my SCE Titan not sealing properly from the getgo, following both Evosport's and Rebello's sealing recommendation. I did not have any sealing issues with my old .14" MLS.

I dont see the issue with pressure passing through the layers when my new gasket is only .04" anyways. I will follow old sealing procedures with the MLS.

Same.. Mine leaked the 1st start up... :( i torqued it down to 80ftlbs made a slight difference.. but it leaked once it got hot.. :(
.120 comectic ftw....

Whats the differance between this head gasket and the cometic one for the m52?

Whats the differance between this head gasket and the cometic one for the m52?

it's soild copper... that is .093 thick...

I'm due for my annual H/G change out on my S52. I've tried a couple of different MLS's now, and they all last exactly a year, and then they start leaking air into the coolant.

It holds to 10, but anything higher, and water temps spike.

So Jordan, which one are you referring to?

I'm due for my annual H/G change out on my S52. I've tried a couple of different MLS's now, and they all last exactly a year, and then they start leaking air into the coolant.

It holds to 10, but anything higher, and water temps spike.

So Jordan, which one are you referring to?
Which HG and thickness do you keep replacing?

it's soild copper... that is .093 thick...That seems to be the problem with SCE gaskets. The copper is too brittle and won't move around to seal. You can heat the gasket in an oven at 400 deg for about 1/2 hour then let it cool. It will soften the gasket a little so it will seal. Clark gaskets have softer copper but they don't make a gasket for our stuff. Did you O-ring the block and reciever groove the head. If not the copper gasket is mostly useless. ///J.T.///

Which HG and thickness do you keep replacing?

I'm running the cometic .091. I've gone through two now, and have used a couple of different methods. They hold perfectly for a year, and every November, right after halloween, they give...

I'm going back to stock I guess, since there are no good alternatives for the 3.2 it seems. At least they're significantly cheaper.

I'm somewhat interested to see how a m52 .04 MLS will hold on these engines...

I'm running the cometic .091. I've gone through two now, and have used a couple of different methods. They hold perfectly for a year, and every November, right after halloween, they give...

I'm going back to stock I guess, since there are no good alternatives for the 3.2 it seems. At least they're significantly cheaper.


Basically the first big cold spell then??

What is the deal with cold ambient temps and failing HG's?? When I worked at the dealership I was at, first cold, all the way till spring, we did HG's non-stop on non-turbo'd Subaru's. Had the occasional WRX, but the STi's never came back. The WRX's use the same HG as the regular 2.5's, but the STi is a MLS from the factory......

Basically the first big cold spell then??

What is the deal with cold ambient temps and failing HG's?? When I worked at the dealership I was at, first cold, all the way till spring, we did HG's non-stop on non-turbo'd Subaru's. Had the occasional WRX, but the STi's never came back. The WRX's use the same HG as the regular 2.5's, but the STi is a MLS from the factory......

Wish I knew. Maybe ICS can chime in here?

Last year, I hadn't driven the car for two weeks. Got home, and left: Light cruise down to New Orleans for Voodoo, and on the way back it let go.

This year I've been driving the car regularly and now it only leaks when I break 10 psi under hard pulls. I can run around town all day long, but after aggressive acceleration, about 1/2 mile later, temps spike at 220, stay and then drop back to normal after about 20 secs.

Hmm, now that you mention it, mine died last year when the cold weather hit as well. Maybe it has to do with the block shrinking a bit in the cold?

Wish I knew. Maybe ICS can chime in here?

Last year, I hadn't driven the car for two weeks. Got home, and left: Light cruise down to New Orleans for Voodoo, and on the way back it let go.

This year I've been driving the car regularly and now it only leaks when I break 10 psi under hard pulls. I can run around town all day long, but after aggressive acceleration, about 1/2 mile later, temps spike at 220, stay and then drop back to normal after about 20 secs.

What torque spec and size fasteners are you running? Just curious.

That seems to be the problem with SCE gaskets. The copper is too brittle and won't move around to seal. You can heat the gasket in an oven at 400 deg for about 1/2 hour then let it cool. It will soften the gasket a little so it will seal. Clark gaskets have softer copper but they don't make a gasket for our stuff. Did you O-ring the block and reciever groove the head. If not the copper gasket is mostly useless. ///J.T.///

Well J.T. the whold thing with the SCE Titan is that, it has built in cutting rings.. for all of the ports in the mating surface.. they were hard raised rings on my gasket.. I torqued it to ARP 10mm Head studs, specs... Just like SCE told me todo.. I know for a fact, Cardcounter and ICS torque thier studs to 80ft/lbs.
I'm due for my annual H/G change out on my S52. I've tried a couple of different MLS's now, and they all last exactly a year, and then they start leaking air into the coolant.

It holds to 10, but anything higher, and water temps spike.

So Jordan, which one are you referring to?

SCE Titian head gasket.. Brett don't buy one.. How are you torquing your head down.. the MLS shouldn't be failing every year..


What torque spec and size fasteners are you running? Just curious.
10mm ARPs torqued to 80ft.lbs.. with a Cometic/VAC .120 MLS

SCE Titian head gasket.. Brett don't buy one.. How are you torquing your head down.. the MLS shouldn't be failing every year..



10mm ARPs torqued to 80ft.lbs.. with a Cometic/VAC .120 MLS

Wasn't planning on the SCE, but thanks for the advice... I'm going to go back to stock. I used ICS's method last time. 10mm ARP's torqued to 75. :dunno

Wasn't planning on the SCE, but thanks for the advice... I'm going to go back to stock. I used ICS's method last time. 10mm ARP's torqued to 75. :dunno

Everytime you installed a new HG did you reuse the ARP fasteners?

I've torqued to 75#'s on my old setup with MLS .140

But, I'm thinking of torquing just to 70#'s with the new setup since the gasket is so damn thin this time around. Thoughts?

As for 80#'s I dunno of the 10mm's can handle that and still be within their spec! :eek:

I'm using a new set of ARP's since I just want to be safe since the new SCE gasket was leaking and I wanted everything new...

Everytime you installed a new HG did you reuse the ARP fasteners?

I've torqued to 75#'s on my old setup with MLS .140

But, I'm thinking of torquing just to 70#'s with the new setup since the gasket is so damn thin this time around. Thoughts?

As for 80#'s I dunno of the 10mm's can handle that and still be within their spec! :eek:

I'm using a new set of ARP's since I just want to be safe since the new SCE gasket was leaking and I wanted everything new...


First gasket was a .140 with stock bolts, second/third were .091 with the same set of ARP's. I'm going to measure them and make the call then on if I should re-use a third time.

I don't see why you'd change the torque b/c you've got less layers. I would stick to 75#.

I can't speak to the tolerance of the studs at 80#. I'd also have some concerns about distorting the block. Seems like that'd be really close to the edge....

Thanks,

On the re-torque to 75# do you loosen the nut then tighten, or just tighten from 75 to 75 again.

I know the proper "retrq" would be to loosen then tighten.

Also, if you do loosen, do you loosen all the screws first or just loosen and tighten each individual fastener following the tighten sequence?

Thanks,

On the re-torque to 75# do you loosen the nut then tighten, or just tighten from 75 to 75 again.

I know the proper "retrq" would be to loosen then tighten.

Also, if you do loosen, do you loosen all the screws first or just loosen and tighten each individual fastener following the tighten sequence?

Loosen the first one in the torque sequence about a 1/4 to 1/2 turn then retighten,go to #2 in the sequence and do same and so on

Just an FYI...I'm running with the MLS stock thickness for two years now and put in about 15,000 miles... I run around in low boost all time (14psi) and go to high boost when drag racing 18-22psi... I've had no issues with this head gasket..I'm using 11mm arp studs torque at 70lbs... I have never retorqued the head. The head I bought used and was rebuild like 3,000 miles ago when I bought it... The machine shop tested it and said it was good and needed no resurfacing...the block was never resurfaced either...

Any updates on this thread? Sorry to hear the SCE didn't work out. How about the Phuzion? Not available?

Is anyone running a stock gasket on the S52, or is the Cometic MLS still the way to go?

Any updates on this thread? Sorry to hear the SCE didn't work out. How about the Phuzion? Not available?

Is anyone running a stock gasket on the S52, or is the Cometic MLS still the way to go?

the Phuzion "rings" max thickness so far is like .053, We need Atleast .070...

Just an FYI...I'm running with the MLS stock thickness for two years now and put in about 15,000 miles... I run around in low boost all time (14psi) and go to high boost when drag racing 18-22psi... I've had no issues with this head gasket..I'm using 11mm arp studs torque at 70lbs... I have never retorqued the head. The head I bought used and was rebuild like 3,000 miles ago when I bought it... The machine shop tested it and said it was good and needed no resurfacing...the block was never resurfaced either...

Stock thickness?

the Phuzion "rings" max thickness so far is like .053, We need Atleast .070...

It would work for my purpose :devillook

It would work for my purpose :devillook

welll then Good luck to you.. I have considered on this new motor I am building. To make the pistons low enough to put a .045 or so MLS on there... For the same purpose..

The E46 engines can benefit from this now.. their HG's are around .053 or so.. IIRC

Thinnest MLS they make for the M50 family of motors is .04" FYI, its what I am running right now.

I just ran a cometic and it sucked. It leaked the first time that I started the car. Everything was done absolutely perfect. The block and head were decked and both had a mirror finish everything was great except for the shitty cometic head gasket. The Cometic leaked on all six cylinders! I also used ARP studs that were brand new. If you want to see something interesting do a google seach "cometic sucks" check out what comes up. Cometic produces shitty gaskets for every make and model vehicle, they should be giving a lot of refunds for distibuting a product that they say is for cars running boost or nitrous when in fact you would be better off with the stock head gasket!:nono I'm going to be trying out a SCE ICS Titan in the next month so we will see how that goes and if that doesn't work I'm going to have to get creative and fire up the laith and make my own cutting rings.

Check out this link: http://jdm-insider.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=386

P.S. how do I get the dumb ass baby to stop dancing on the bottom of my post!

I just ran a cometic and it sucked. It leaked the first time that I started the car. Everything was done absolutely perfect. The block and head were decked and both had a mirror finish everything was great except for the shitty cometic head gasket. I also used ARP studs that were brand new. If you want to see something interesting do a google seach "cometic sucks" check out what comes up. Cometic produces shitty gaskets for every make and model vehicle, they should be giving a lot of refunds for distibuting a product that they say is for cars running boost or nitrous when in fact you would be better off with the stock head gasket!:nono I'm going to be trying out a SCE ICS Titan in the next month so we will see how that goes and if that doesn't work I'm going to have to get creative and fire up the laith and make my own cutting rings.

Check out this link: http://jdm-insider.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=386

P.S. how do I get the dumb ass baby to stop dancing on the bottom of my post!

:D

nowhere does it say that a mirror finish is required. I can't recall the exact number of RMA finish specified to be used, but if you compare it to a RMA standard, its not a mirrow.

nowhere does it say that a mirror finish is required. I can't recall the exact number of RMA finish specified to be used, but if you compare it to a RMA standard, its not a mirrow.

Well I think you understand what I'm getting at. Everything was perfect except for cometics gasket making skills.

i have a cometic and will be following andreas instructions of loctite 99ma spray adhesive between all layers. hope things turn out better than you.

I would bet you did something wrong, or the gasket was made for a semi truck.

-Dave

I have been running the MLS .140 headgasket for about 3 years now and have not had any problems. I did do some of my own tricks after a ton of research. I have been runing 13-15 psi. I did have my head milled.

I have been running the MLS .140 headgasket for about 3 years now and have not had any problems. I did do some of my own tricks after a ton of research. I have been runing 13-15 psi. I did have my head milled.

any chance of revealing some of your tricks?? :help

I would bet you did something wrong, or the gasket was made for a semi truck.

-Dave

Maybe a semi gasket would work better... :shifty

I have been running the MLS .140 headgasket for about 3 years now and have not had any problems. I did do some of my own tricks after a ton of research. I have been runing 13-15 psi. I did have my head milled.

I'll bite. What tricks did you use?

so when is cosworth making a bmw gasket/

Ok, what are the "secrets"?