so today me and my friend are driving in hes SRT and we see this Z4 M and we try getting next to him but he takes off and after a while we see him again and he turns hes lights on like if he won and we pulled next to him and ask him why hes doing that when he didnt even wait for us he said "ok sorry i didnt know" so we tell him lets go on a roll 3 honks, he agrees we get next to each other 1st gear my friend honks, all first gear was even second gear my friend pulls a car on him, 3 he starts getting back to half a car, 4th gear my friend is ahead about a car and we stopped there he asked to race again and same result... the guy was pretty amazed it was a really good race, after we raced we talked for a lil bit and my friend told him off a launch ud prob beat me cuz ull be able to pull harder, nice guy im still amazed that lil car kept up SRT4's are freakin fast for what their worth

Nice kill.

However, maybe he didn't know how to drive his new car or the engine was green. I killed a SRT 4 in my Z4 M and it wasn't even close. I was at least 2 car lengths on him by the time I hit 100. So again, nice driving but certainly a stock SRT 4 is not as fast as a Z4 M on a straight away or in a corner.

Wow, what mods does your friend have? I have raced several SRT 4's and the only one that took me was a stage 4. That thing was stupid fast!!! The others were stock and one was a stage 2. Those little dudes can be really fast!!!:eyecrazy

I will have to agree with everyone, the Z4 M shouldnt have lost to the SRT4. The Z4M if I am correct delivers its peak HP at like 8000rpms so maybe he didnt drive it correctly??

yea sorry, i'm gonna call bs, srt-4's are fast modded even then it would take some heavy ones to beat an z4 m, and that little car as you call it has an engine and a half and then some, bigger then the srt-4, i have heard stories of z4 m's rolling with some older ferrari's, they are not slow cars at allll

I think this could have gone either way. SRT4s are very cheap and easy to mod. I think stage 3 is only like $2k and nets 300whp+. And with equal drivers, a stage 3 srt4 will not have a problem taking down a e46 m3.

But the only way to know is to see what the OP's friend has done to his.

a stock srt-4 is competition for a stock e36 M3...definitely not a z4 mcoupe. i can only assume the srt-4 in this thread was modded, right?

a stock srt-4 is competition for a stock e36 M3...definitely not a z4 mcoupe. i can only assume the srt-4 in this thread was modded, right?
yes an E36 M3 with minor bolt-ons will walk away from a roll from a stock srt-4....i am calling major bs, unless your friend is VERY heavily modded.

a stock srt-4 is competition for a stock e36 M3...definitely not a z4 mcoupe. i can only assume the srt-4 in this thread was modded, right?

I've never had an E36 M3 keep up.

I've never had an E36 M3 keep up.

funny, because i beat an srt-4 (actually 2 of them on different occasions now that i think about it) at highway speeds when i was putting down stock power :dunno

either way, a stock srt-4 is definitely no match for a z4 M coupe, especially at highway speeds.

Definately bs unless the srt was modded. srt4's are fast but stock for stock they cant hang with e46 m's, so theres no way it could hang with a z4m.

lol, I've had no issue laying waste to any E46 M3 that's tried in the past.. granted I'm not stock, but I don't have more than $1000 in power adders.

but I should add that I'd drop my car in a quarry if I could get a Z4 M COUPEinstead

I'm afraid I'll lose to an srt-4 some day.

(needs to mod now)

oh, yeah, I've deffinately had a fun run in or two with boxsters.. :evil2

Interesting outcome but what bothers me about what the op typed was the format of what he wrote. It was one sentence. A few commas inserted here and there but I still had to reread parts of the "sentence" just to make it clear in my mind.

I still remember learning English in elementary, junior high, and high school, and I'm over 40 now... Whats with it? Are we getting lazy or are forums a great place for ESL students to practice?

Guys/gals, please try to format your contributions so that we that normally enjoy reading about good kills can continue to enjoy them. :)

Thanks,

Herr Farphrumpirfikt

Unfortunately these new generations (last 10 years) can't write, spell, or speak correctly.

I see it every day-as does my mother and my sister (principal, and teacher).

The SRT4 is winded at 80, at 90+ it can't run.

Rogo

The SRT4 is winded at 80, at 90+ it can't run.

Rogo

Explain this winded effect that afflicts the SRT4 Neon. I am anxiously awaiting the explanation that will shed clarity for all to see.

You've got one chance to uphold your "car guy" integrity. If not, I am the car guy police and will come to revoke your license and bannish you to driving an stage 0+ SRT4 which, once you learn to drive it, will demolish cars that you thought it wouldn't, especially after 80mph.

Ed

I'm waiting for my car to become winded at 160... never had an issue at 80 or 90....

Explain this winded effect that afflicts the SRT4 Neon. I am anxiously awaiting the explanation that will shed clarity for all to see.

You've got one chance to uphold your "car guy" integrity. If not, I am the car guy police and will come to revoke your license and bannish you to driving an stage 0+ SRT4 which, once you learn to drive it, will demolish cars that you thought it wouldn't, especially after 80mph.

Ed

1st and 2nd gear are the 'money' with an SRT4. 3rd, 4th, and 5th aren't.

That's what I meant.

Rogo

Well, two of you guys that think it's 'fast' after 80-sorry it's not-I've owned one.

Rogo

1st and 2nd gear are the 'money' with an SRT4. 3rd, 4th, and 5th aren't.

That's what I meant.

Rogo

that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever read. I can barely use 1st or 2nd, and pull strong all the way to fifth, and fifth is probably the weakest and will pull me all the way from 120MPH to 160+..

3rd and 4th are REALLY strong and pull like crazy.. anyone that tells you that an SRT4 falls flat after 90 got their ass beat by one UP TO 90 and just kind hoped that the SRT4 was slowing down instead of hitting the brakes :redspot

Well, two of you guys that think it's 'fast' after 80-sorry it's not-I've owned one.

Rogo

then I'm happy and sad for you

sad because you had a slow srt
and happy for you because I haven't gotten rid of mine yet, and you have and have a viggen :mad

edit: got that backwards.. lol

My comparision isn't with a Honda.

Rogo

Unfortunately these new generations (last 10 years) can't write, spell, or speak correctly.

I see it every day-as does my mother and my sister (principal, and teacher).

The SRT4 is winded at 80, at 90+ it can't run.

Rogo


I'm afraid you're info on the srt4 is incorrect. At the time of this race my car would do about 165 by the second bridge. I probably was going about 10-15 mph faster than the srt4.... which means he must've been going at least 150 and pulling strong. Of course this srt4 is heavily modded, but you didn't specify that it couldn't be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmAKaOp2MI

I've run all the way to 120+ against my buddy's 2006 SRT-8 which, last time I checked, is fast, and has 425HP..

I pulled on him the whole time.

I didn't mean to imply disrespect for any SRT4 or Honda onwer.

I'm just trying to talk about the difference in performance of an SRT4 and another 'fast' automobile that I have experience with.

Best

Rogo

My SRT4 was new (Dave Smith) and I sold it with 1300miles. Silver with the standard seats (because I'm too big for the Viper seats-6'6" 240lbs).

Rogo

I raced SRT-4 a couple of times. First race was from mid 2nd to top of 3rd gear and I got him by 1.5 cl, second race with a different car with body kit, rims and loud exhaust, don't know what else he has and the race from 4th to mid of 5th gear and got him by 2 cl.

Unfortunately these new generations (last 10 years) can't write, spell, or speak correctly.

I'd like to think I do all of that about as well as most people ever will, thank you very much.

Nice kill.

However, maybe he didn't know how to drive his new car or the engine was green. I killed a SRT 4 in my Z4 M and it wasn't even close. I was at least 2 car lengths on him by the time I hit 100. So again, nice driving but certainly a stock SRT 4 is not as fast as a Z4 M on a straight away or in a corner.

well i dont know if the guy didnt know how to drive really good or my friends car is just fast because this is the second z4 m that he races and same results he only has full exhaust and cold air intake i think but he raced a staged 2 SRT4 the other night and he beat it by a car he also says hes boost is low but i think is the gauge that is bad cuz hes car is pretty fast

lol, I've had no issue laying waste to any E46 M3 that's tried in the past.. granted I'm not stock, but I don't have more than $1000 in power adders.

just like he said my friend hasnt spent $1000 on hes car and the car is freaking fast for more than i hate the car, u gotta love it for the power they have

I've run all the way to 120+ against my buddy's 2006 SRT-8 which, last time I checked, is fast, and has 425HP..

I pulled on him the whole time.

my friend beats SRT8's like nothing too atleast by a car

yea sorry, i'm gonna call bs, srt-4's are fast modded even then it would take some heavy ones to beat an z4 m, and that little car as you call it has an engine and a half and then some, bigger then the srt-4, i have heard stories of z4 m's rolling with some older ferrari's, they are not slow cars at allllqft i dont believe it, the srt4's are pretty quick but not that quick.

Not to long ago I had a late model SRT4 come up on me in the M5 on the highway, I was rolling at 85 or and I saw his light approaching fast. He over took me and looked over with what looked like a sneer on his face. I always wanted to get an opportunity like this slipped into fourth and pushed to the floor, by the top of 5th he was fading fast into 6th and his light were out. And I was now going way to fast down #322 from State College

1st and 2nd gear are always the sweet spot w/ lightweight 'relatively' powerful cars.


Same w/ my Boxster. When you get to high speeds it's just not fast.

Poor boxster :( I still love you

ok, if the OPs buddy's srt4 only has the intake an exhaust and everything else is stock, Im going to have to say the M should have won. He prob wasnt the best driver or the car wasnt getting pushed 100%.

My comparision isn't with a Honda.

Rogo

Your Viggen is sex.

I bet a 318 could take it.

I've raced an srt-4 up to 145 mph, i have no idea what he had done to it...but we dropped it in 3rd and we even, 4th we were still a bit even then he hit boost again and pulled me a 1/2 to 1 car length...into 5th he was 1-1 1/2 on me and towards the top of my 5th gear i was slowly pulling him back in, we ended with him 1 car ahead..

they are not to be taken lightly!

But, then again...my car is more than 3K lbs...with a full leather interior..ect... and it would murder that car in the corners/at the track....

well i dont know if the guy didnt know how to drive really good or my friends car is just fast because this is the second z4 m that he races and same results he only has full exhaust and cold air intake i think but he raced a staged 2 SRT4 the other night and he beat it by a car he also says hes boost is low but i think is the gauge that is bad cuz hes car is pretty fast


Please use the button on your keyboard that has the "." symbol on it when you want to end one thought and start the next. Its called a period. Each thought would be called a sentence. Thank you.

But, then again...my car is more than 3K lbs...with a full leather interior..ect... and it would murder that car in the corners/at the track....

you might be surprised...for a front wheel drive car the srt-4 is a very good handling car. from what i've read (yes, read - no actual experience with this yet), it's definitely on par with a stock e36 M3.

It is also good to use in those run on sentences you seem to do alot.

even then it would take some heavy ones to beat an z4 m, and that little car as you call it has an engine and a half and then some, bigger then the srt-4, i have heard stories of z4 m's rolling with some older ferrari's, they are not slow cars at allll

It wouldn't take heavy mods to beat a Z4 M, bolt-ons can get you into the 12's and trapping over 110.

you might be surprised...for a front wheel drive car the srt-4 is a very good handling car. from what i've read (yes, read - no actual experience with this yet), it's definitely on par with a stock e36 M3.
Not really. You don't have to look farther than an SCCA autocross course to see that's not true. A B-stock M3 is an also-ran in BS and is still capable of running about a second quicker on a 60-second course than the D-stock SRT4's, which are comparatively competitive in their class. The SRT4 is saddled with narrow wheels and even worse suspension geometry than the front end of an E36 M3. Fast cars to be sure, but they're the quintessetial FWD dancing elephant in the corners. The SRT4's have a lot of good things going for them but the stock suspension ain't one of them, even if you're able to find an ACR.

I have to call BS. An SRT 4 stock with a few bolt-ons IS NOT faster in a straight line or in any direction than a Z4 M. Keep your fantasies, I don't mind.

Please use the button on your keyboard that has the "." symbol on it when you want to end one thought and start the next. Its called a period. Each thought would be called a sentence. Thank you.

werd

so today me and my friend are driving in hes SRT and we see this Z4 M and we try getting next to him but he takes off and after a while we see him again and he turns hes lights on like if he won and we pulled next to him and ask him why hes doing that when he didnt even wait for us he said "ok sorry i didnt know" so we tell him lets go on a roll 3 honks, he agrees we get next to each other 1st gear my friend honks, all first gear was even second gear my friend pulls a car on him, 3 he starts getting back to half a car, 4th gear my friend is ahead about a car and we stopped there he asked to race again and same result... the guy was pretty amazed it was a really good race, after we raced we talked for a lil bit and my friend told him off a launch ud prob beat me cuz ull be able to pull harder, nice guy im still amazed that lil car kept up SRT4's are freakin fast for what their worth

HOLY. RUN-ON. SENTENCE. BATMAN.

Unfortunately these new generations (last 10 years) can't write, spell, or speak correctly.

I see it every day-as does my mother and my sister (principal, and teacher).

The SRT4 is winded at 80, at 90+ it can't run.

Rogo


Its funny then that the srt-4 is the fastest 4 cylinder production car on the planet, capable of reaching 221mph (modded of course)

http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=365982

Say, isn't that viggen of yours a 4 cylinder?


I have to call BS. An SRT 4 stock with a few bolt-ons IS NOT faster in a straight line or in any direction than a Z4 M. Keep your fantasies, I don't mind.

Give me 500 dollars and I will show you a srt-4 that can beat a z4 M to the end of the 1320.

Its funny then that the srt-4 is the fastest 4 cylinder production car on the planet, capable of reaching 221mph (modded of course)

http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=365982

Say, isn't that viggen of yours a 4 cylinder?




Give me 500 dollars and I will show you a srt-4 that can beat a z4 M to the end of the 1320.
um no the SRT-4 is not the fastest 4-cyl of all time. The 951 is the fastest and best handling 4 cyl of all time. out of the box the top speed is 167mph, show me any STOCK evo, sti or srt-4 that can do that...

I have to call BS. An SRT 4 stock with a few bolt-ons IS NOT faster in a straight line or in any direction than a Z4 M. Keep your fantasies, I don't mind.

Uhh...read up here and get back to me if you don't think a bolt-on SRT-4 is capable of what I stated

www.srtforums.com

a direct link would be nice...

It wouldn't take heavy mods to beat a Z4 M, bolt-ons can get you into the 12's and trapping over 110.
Which is about what an MZ4 will do stock with a competent driver. Stickier tires than the craptastic Conti's that come stock should allow for a better launch too.

Against an SRT4 with only CAI and exhaust, I'd have to say either its BS, the MZ4 driver didn't really know they were racing, or the MZ4 owner was still breaking in the engine and wouldn't go above 5500rpm.

While I don't subscribe to the notion that SRT4/STI/EVOs have no top end, the MZ4 is no slouch in top end either. While 6th gear has a 155mph limiter, 5th is wide open, so don't expect to park an MZ4 on its limiter. Coupes have reported an indicated 170+.

I've yet to dyno my car, but here's a dyno pull (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=949203#post949203) from a stock Z4 M Coupe. Seems to be a bit more stout than the E46 M - they tend to dyno around 280whp stock.
http://ebsart.com/images/Net%20Publication/07,1-12,%20DynoDay3/Z4-2runsAFR.JPG

Uhh...read up here and get back to me if you don't think a bolt-on SRT-4 is capable of what I stated

www.srtforums.com (http://www.srtforums.com)

I will never understand why SRT4/Evo/STi guys come to Bimmerforums to post about how awesome their cars are with so little mods. Stick to your respective forums where people actually care. If I wanted to drive a fast piece of un-engineered scrap metal, I probably would have bought one. Speed is not the only thing that matters, and if it was, I wouldn't be wasting my time with imports anyways. I could build, yes, I said build, my own SBC motor and drop it in just about any pre-1985 GM, waste all of you on the straights, and still have money to waste on whatever I please. And that's before I s/c it. Bolt ons are weak sauce.

um no the SRT-4 is not the fastest 4-cyl of all time. The 951 is the fastest and best handling 4 cyl of all time. out of the box the top speed is 167mph, show me any STOCK evo, sti or srt-4 that can do that...

If you read my post carefully you would realize that I meant that the srt-4 holds the record for being the FASTEST(Capable of going to the highest speed.) I never said the srt-4 was stock, but no other 4 cylinder production car stock or modded has ever gone over 221mph.

If you read my post carefully you would realize that I meant that the srt-4 holds the record for being the FASTEST(Capable of going to the highest speed.) I never said the srt-4 was stock, but no other 4 cylinder production car stock or modded has ever gone over 221mph.

I can bet you that not many tried to go over 221mph .thats why.

I can bet you that not many tried to go over 221mph .thats why.


Yeah, we can stick with that. ;)

I will never understand why SRT4/Evo/STi guys come to Bimmerforums to post about how awesome their cars are with so little mods. Stick to your respective forums where people actually care. If I wanted to drive a fast piece of un-engineered scrap metal, I probably would have bought one. Speed is not the only thing that matters, and if it was, I wouldn't be wasting my time with imports anyways. I could build, yes, I said build, my own SBC motor and drop it in just about any pre-1985 GM, waste all of you on the straights, and still have money to waste on whatever I please. And that's before I s/c it. Bolt ons are weak sauce.

why? I'm a true car enthusiast, unlike you obviously. If you look at my join date, you can see that I didn't just join to stir the SRT4 pot... although it is one of my favorite topics on this forum simply because of the sheer amount of hatred I see for the car - I find it humorous! :) I'll be the first to admit that the SRT4 is a glorified neon, or in other words, a polished turd. I know this because I drive it. I also know that the other day, when I was driving down the street, a dude in a brand new 911 Turbo with temp tags wanted to see what the car could do, and gave me a big grin and a thumbs up after he destroyed the srt! lol, it's all about fun. Sadly I'm getting rid of the SRT very soon and going to get a truck for a while.. so I'll only be able to run OVER you, not OUT run you. :eyecrazy

qft i dont believe it, the srt4's are pretty quick but not that quick.

Ditto - I've got intake/exhaust/chip and I've toasted a couple in my time. Around here they're all stupid with like 500whp though so I usually don't mess with them. :eyecrazy

Still.. I don't want to offend anyone here but it REALLY isn't a very pretty car. From the back it's so much taller than it is wide... it just doesn't look right. I just tilt my head a little bit like something crooked. :confused It's so jacked up in the back as well, I feel like you could pull a fast and furious on one and throw a civic under there.

That's ok though, they are very different cars. Figure if an SRT4 beats a Z4 M in a straight line, that was the ONLY thing the SRT4 had going for it. From any other specification and point of view / comparison (from comfort to safety, curb appeal, handling, etc..) the BMW sends it packing. I don't even care if I get beat by a stang or neon anymore - last time I checked you couldn't get an M3 / Z4 M as a rental car.

I don't see this being hard to imagine. I mean, how many bone stock SRT-4s do you really see out there? I don't think I've ever seen one that didn't at least have an obvious exhaust system, which means he also probably has some intake mods to go along with it, and who knows what else beyond that. I cruised by a slammed, heavily raked black one on the highway several months ago with a monster ****ing FMIC taking up the entire lower valence and airdam. I lol-ed at how awkward it looked, then remembered he would probably kick my ass hard(I was in the 540; but 540, M5, probably wouldn't matter) :(

People don't buy cars like that to leave them stock, so I figure any given SRT-4 I see on the street has as good a chance of being a fire-breathing monster as it does of being stock. I don't see why people get so upset at the prospect of the little Neon kicking their asses. D'oh. That's pretty much what they're made for.

^ exactly.

^ exactly.

the OP said the SRT-4 has intake/exhaust...explain please how in teh hell an intake/exhaust takes a car from a 14.0-14.4 down to a 13.0 or better?!?! I dont care if its turbo'd or not it just doesnt happen

One of you other srt4 owners in this thread has a mid 13 sec time posted with bolt ons...your car is still slower by a lot compared to a new z4m...especially on a hwy roll

Im not saying srt4's get really winded up top but they are definately slower than a s54. z4m can hit 12's bone stock as already stated...so unless if that srt4 was packing there's no way it walked it with just bolt ons...

i'ved raced an official stage II srt-4, off the line to 60 i was about 2 full cars, he stayed with till bout 100 when i pulled another two till about 140.
ived raced M3's same exact thing with them...

...how does that help us?

I'm sorry but as a former SRT-4 owner and a BMW enthusiast I must insist whoever thinks an E36 M3 will take a stock SRT-4 is sadly mistaken, I ran a 13.1 @ 104 mph with a turbo back exhaust ($550) and an AGP Wastegate Actuator ($160), I put down 249whp with 288ft lbs of torque... and and SRT-4 weighs 2,800lbs ish with a driver, not to mention we hit full boost around 2500 rpms. I know for damn sure that an E36 M3 with bolt ons is a high 13 second car and it is not light, a z4 M runs 0-60 in about 5.0 seconds, close to an E46 M3 and an E46 M3 is a low 13 second car. Please do not confuse real numbers with your price tag BMW guys, just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's specs are underrated ESPECIALLY to those guys who think an e36 (200-205whp stock) stock for stock will take an SRT-4, not going to happen but that is when you guys play the "it's still a neon" card right? And little do you know that a turbo back exhaust for an SRT-4 is good for an additional 10-15whp (stock turbo) and 20whp (big turbo), and AGP WGA does not ADD power it allows you to spike higher and hold higher boost throughout the powerband, and yes, it will take you from a high 13 second car to a low 13 second car. IN FACT! One fellow took out his seats, with JUST an WGP WGA ran a 12.6 1/4 mile.

Oh yeah, and as far as the track is concerned, an SRT-4 with coilovers, bushings, sway bars can run with EVO's at the track, dry of course but dont think because it is a neon, or because it is FWD it can't hang. Does anyone have stuff to say about how an Evolution runs at the track? I think not.

If you read my post carefully you would realize that I meant that the srt-4 holds the record for being the FASTEST(Capable of going to the highest speed.) I never said the srt-4 was stock, but no other 4 cylinder production car stock or modded has ever gone over 221mph.
my bad...i was in a bitching mood earlier:D

why? I'm a true car enthusiast, unlike you obviously.

....going to get a truck for a while.. so I'll only be able to run OVER you, not OUT run you. :eyecrazy

Well, now, I wouldn't go around saying who is, and who is not a true car enthusiast. That debate is not relevant.

And with that truck, you will be just like every other hillbilly around here, with "loud" pipes, 12" lift and huge wheels. Real cool.

Now, I did not say that I hated or even disliked the SRT4 or Evo/STi. I Have respect for them for what they are. I know a Few guys with them, and I don't think that they are stupid for buying the cars, because they suit their needs. My point is that this is a BMW forum. Not an SRT4 forum. And my second point does not make me any less of a "car guy" than the rest. But how many people actually build their motors or fabricate their own parts instead of ordering from a magazine for more power? Not enough. It's too easy to just bolt on some aftermarket performance parts and go faster. I'm running out of time to argue, I have to go to work. :(

...a z4 M runs 0-60 in about 5.0 seconds... :nono Actually it's about 4.5 if you're not babying the clutch. 5.0 looks like a car magazine number. Hell, even BMW says 4.9 and they always conservatively low-ball their numbers. Remember, an MZ4 is about 350 lbs lighter than an E46 M, so that's not a great comparison either. Also, in this specific case, with a passenger, the SRT4 gives up a lot of its 350lb unladen weight advantage (3,230 vs. 2,880), so again in a heads-up match, things aren't adding up.

CAI and Exhaust do not magically transform an SRT4, they just typically make it at most a couple of tenths faster in the quarter, but people imagine it must knock off several seconds due to the increase in noise. Ear dynos are worse than butt dynos.

One point to ponder though is that 99.9% of people who buy SRT4s drive them to be drivers and go as fast as they can. They certainly aren't buying them for looks or quality. I've never come across one who didn't want to have a go.

Sadly enough, that can't be said about the probable majority of buyers of new BMWs who buy the cars for the status, looks, and cache, and never tap the car's full potential. The OP's friend probably drove aggressively, and the guy in the M Coupe probably expected the car to do the work for him and had to play catch-up the whole time.

OP and friend need to find someone in an MZ4 that they know will drive it like they stole it and then report back after a few pulls.

The thing with srt4's is getting the power to the road. My buddy's srt just spins and spins. Front wheel drive FTL.

The SRT4 isn't a highway machine-it cannot keep up with the german cars built to run.

Rogo

Oh yeah, and as far as the track is concerned, an SRT-4 with coilovers, bushings, sway bars can run with EVO's at the track, dry of course but dont think because it is a neon, or because it is FWD it can't hang. Does anyone have stuff to say about how an Evolution runs at the track? I think not.

:rolleyes

Just about everything you said was ricer-math (pepboys+greddy=pwned) or (x mod + y mod = 6245 hp.) Have you driven all the cars you quoted HP ratings and times for? What about tracking them?

In particular your comment about an SRT4 with coilovers being some kind of killer track car is a joke. Yes, FWD matters that much. It's not just a cliche, it's the fact that 2 tires are dealing with the forces of both TURNING the car and MOVING the car - just a really subpar design for that type of application. Which is why they didn't design the car for the track.

It's 600ft slalom speeds are simply crap compared to a stock E36 M3 (which is more than 5mph faster.) This is particularly sad for the SRT-4 considering it weighs almost 300lbs less! Oh, and the E36 chassis is 15 years old. :rolleyes The E36 M3 also pulls .06 more Gs than the SRT-4 on the skidpad (again, weight is everything with that so.. pretty weird.) Same with braking - SRT-4 takes 130ft from 60, vs. 113 for the M3 (which is beyond supercar territory, a Ferrari 575 takes 124ft to stop.)

So no, take it for what it is - a good value for a straight-line drag car. You crossed the line by considering it some kinda crazy track car. :lol

FWIW, driven well an m roadster can do 0-60 in 4.5 or less.

It dyno'd 293 on a dyno dynamics, which reads lower than dynojets, and most other dynos. Unless an intake and exhaust nets the srt4 some 50 extra whp, it's not gonna catch the m.

And I know the srt4 guys here are nice, but just cause they own one and say so doesn't make this the absolute truth. srt4's handle well, but evo's are beyond their reach, especially if modded stride for stride. I dunno what stg 2 all includes, but the OP is a fallacy if it has a boost bump or remapped ecu. If stg 2 includes more than intake/exhaust, then that right there is bs.

srt's need only a few boltons to hang with m's, but more than the one in question here.

I've never had an E36 M3 keep up.

Then your modded, or the E36 M3 driver could not race, or was not racing. An E36 M3 is comparable to a 540i/6, and my 540iA is even with a stock SRT-4. That being the case, an E36 M3 should run just a little faster than a stock SRT-4, and a 540i/6 barely better.

Unfortunately these new generations (last 10 years) can't write, spell, or speak correctly.

well i dont know if the guy didnt know how to drive really good or my friends car is just fast because this is the second z4 m that he races and same results he only has full exhaust and cold air intake i think but he raced a staged 2 SRT4 the other night and he beat it by a car he also says hes boost is low but i think is the gauge that is bad cuz hes car is pretty fast

Please use the button on your keyboard that has the "." symbol on it when you want to end one thought and start the next. Its called a period. Each thought would be called a sentence. Thank you.

Yea. :help

:rolleyes

Just about everything you said was ricer-math (pepboys+greddy=pwned) or (x mod + y mod = 6245 hp.) Have you driven all the cars you quoted HP ratings and times for? What about tracking them?

In particular your comment about an SRT4 with coilovers being some kind of killer track car is a joke. Yes, FWD matters that much. It's not just a cliche, it's the fact that 2 tires are dealing with the forces of both TURNING the car and MOVING the car - just a really subpar design for that type of application. Which is why they didn't design the car for the track.

It's 600ft slalom speeds are simply crap compared to a stock E36 M3 (which is more than 5mph faster.) This is particularly sad for the SRT-4 considering it weighs almost 300lbs less! Oh, and the E36 chassis is 15 years old. :rolleyes The E36 M3 also pulls .06 more Gs than the SRT-4 on the skidpad (again, weight is everything with that so.. pretty weird.) Same with braking - SRT-4 takes 130ft from 60, vs. 113 for the M3 (which is beyond supercar territory, a Ferrari 575 takes 124ft to stop.)

So no, take it for what it is - a good value for a straight-line drag car. You crossed the line by considering it some kinda crazy track car. :lol


fwd cars run fast at tracks.. please dont generalize by saying that the fwds can't be a good track car. for instance, track tuned civics, integras, STOCK coopers will give an e36 m3 some hell.

I haven't seen srt4 road racing but..from what I heard, they do handle decently. and with coils and stuff, i do believe they can run with evos. (maybe not.. :stickoutt)

Then your modded, or the E36 M3 driver could not race, or was not racing. An E36 M3 is comparable to a 540i/6, and my 540iA is even with a stock SRT-4. That being the case, an E36 M3 should run just a little faster than a stock SRT-4, and a 540i/6 barely better.


Please show me a stock e36 m3 pull a 13.6 et. :confused

More than once have srt-4s ran 13.6 @ roughly 105mph stock.

SRT-4's are pieces of garbage in my mind. Dodge should stick with hemi motors. My buddies 06 rsx-type s with headers and intake rapes srt-4's with the same... and the rsx is N/A against the srt-4's F/I. neons = crap.... gay ass roll down windows in the back. Ive seen an e36 m3 with nothing but a chip run a 13.7 on track.

fwd cars run fast at tracks.. please dont generalize by saying that the fwds can't be a good track car. for instance, track tuned civics, integras, STOCK coopers will give an e36 m3 some hell.

I haven't seen srt4 road racing but..from what I heard, they do handle decently. and with coils and stuff, i do believe they can run with evos. (maybe not.. :stickoutt)

It's not generalizing - it's simple physics. Evos take advantage of all 4 wheels (awd) as do M3s (rwd + turning wheels) and all other BMWs, etc..

The SRT-4 has 2 unused wheels - thats a fact. Sure it'll handle BETTER than stock if you put coilovers on it, but no that doesn't automatically make any car a track car (or at least make it better than something else.)

I'm just saying - yes some FWD cars can be quick, the TSXs and stuff in the Speed Touring Car series are quick, along with some others - but FWD is a fundamental physics issue that can't be overcome. It's never going to be AS GOOD. If you converted the same exact car to RWD for example it'd be a quicker car.

I've never had an E36 M3 keep up.
then i call bs on you, unless your modded, there was a kid with a red srt 4 at my old school, every day they would try and run with me i would walk the hell out of it

stock 04 srt-4 0-60= 5.3 seconds 1/4 mile 13.9 @ 103mph topspeed of 153pmh (www.caranddriver.com)

stock 07 z4m 0-60= 4.9 seconds (www.bmwusa.com) 1/4 mile 13.6 @105mph topspeed of 155mph (www.caranddriver.com)

.4 and .3 seconds is defiently a drivers race, plus with the neon having the "mods" that it does it's even closer. neon may have had a better driver. a kill is still a kill. (srt-4 $20000.... z4m $52,100) ouch imagine if you dumped 32,100 into a srt-4

Ya, if you dumped $32K in a Neon you would still be driving a Neon. Also C&D had times of 4.6 seconds on the Z4M for 0-60 which means almost a second faster than the Neon from a dig and that is huge. Also quoted from C&D review "and through the quarter (13.2 seconds at 107 mph)" which again is 7/10ths on the 1/4 mile. Again, seriously with the mods the guy has his claims that his car is faster is crap. He is taking advantage of guys that are in their break-in periods is my assumption. 07 Ms are going to be more than likely under 1200 miles and the engines very green.

Ya, if you dumped $32K in a Neon you would still be driving a Neon. Also C&D had times of 4.6 seconds on the Z4M for 0-60 which means almost a second faster than the Neon from a dig and that is huge. Also quoted from C&D review "and through the quarter (13.2 seconds at 107 mph)" which again is 7/10ths on the 1/4 mile. Again, seriously with the mods the guy has his claims that his car is faster is crap. He is taking advantage of guys that are in their break-in periods is my assumption. 07 Ms are going to be more than likely under 1200 miles and the engines very green.


5.3-4.6 doesn't equal 1 second, thats not even 3/4's of a second,

same with 13.9-13.2

and from what i read, the z4m inniated the challenge, he's not taking advantage of anyone unless you count his better driving skills "taking advantage", i still say GOOD kill.

Alex, all your numbers are wrong bro.
The SRT-4 Stops 60-0 in anywhere from 109-116 feet
The Stock Slalom is 64.5 MPH on the 2003 and 68 or better on the 2004+
The stock Skid pad is .87 on the 'regular' srt4 and on the ACR it's .89

who cares?! you guys gotta forget about it! both cars a quick and anything can happen on the road.

you can also take a stock MZ4 and have him go up against a 300fwhp SRT-4 and beat him cause the Z driver is the better driver, but does it really matter?

I beat all kinds of cars with my little E36 M3( RIP) that i wasn't supposed to beat, but i beat them cause i happened to be the better driver.