How many people have their ASC Throttle Body just jammed and zip-tied in the engine bay somewhere? How many people have removed their ASC Throttle Body and now have an ASC light and a non-working ABS sytem?

I have a prototype kit installed on my car right now that eliminates the ASC Throttle Body but retains the ASC TPS, Bell Crank, and Throttle Cable connection so the car thinks the ASC is still attached and working properly.

The ASC start-up test passes every time because the system believes the ASC TB is still in place even though it isn't.

This system is less than 1/4 of the size of the ASC Throttle Body assembly!!! It is much easier to work around and looks like an OEM Sensor assembly!!!

This kit could be sold with the '95 M3 intake boot or either of the Samco options offered for a TRUE ASC delete kit.

The ASC Ectomy kit will be approx $50 but this is yet to be determined.

Final completion is probably 4-6 weeks away. This would make a great summer project!!

Let me know.

Eric

So, if the ASC throttle body is removed and the ASC light is on then the ABS doesn't work? I'm sure I've felt the ABS kick in on my car.

So, if the ASC throttle body is removed and the ASC light is on then the ABS doesn't work? I'm sure I've felt the ABS kick in on my car.

the way my sytem works is that the car thinks the ASC system is still there. the car will still activate the ASC system when the wheels spin but the throttle will not be cut...because there is no ASC throttle to cut...but the car thinks there is an ASC throttle body so there is no ASC light.

the ABS will be completely unaffected due to the fact that the car thinks the ASC system is still 100% in tact.

the ABS system may still apply the brakes during wheel spin if there is a great difference between left and right wheel speeds, which is what you may feel even though your ASC TB is stuffed somewhere in the engine compartment still hooked up. the only way to stop this is to turn off the ASC switch.

More questions?

Eric

So, if the ASC throttle body is removed and the ASC light is on then the ABS doesn't work? I'm sure I've felt the ABS kick in on my car.

I'm sorry. maybe I misunderstood your question.

I have not been able to verify this myself but I believe that if you completely remove your ASC TB and disconnect it electronically it will throw a light and your ABS will not work either. IIRC you should have an ABS light too with this situation.

Eric

I'm sorry. maybe I misunderstood your question.

I have not been able to verify this myself but I believe that if you completely remove your ASC TB and disconnect it electronically it will throw a light and your ABS will not work either. IIRC you should have an ABS light too with this situation.

Eric


Eric - I took the whole ASC throttle body out, but the ABS still works. Yes, the ASC light is always on since the connector isn't connected to anything, but I am pretty used to it, since i always disabled it right away anyway.

p.s. and I am still loving that M50!! With the CAI and UUC System U, it breathes in and out a lot easier! and sounds great too!

I recently purchased a '98 M3 that has had the ASC throttle body removed, I have it in a bag. The ASC light is on but that's it. The ABS seems to work fine and the only trouble code stored is the ASC code.

I'm still interested in a kit like you describe though. I think I'd rather do that than just yank the bulb from the dash.

Hhhmmm I thought there was an issue with the ABS if you removed the ASC TPS. Is it just a light problem? Maybe its not worth doing then?

Buzz, glad you like it.

Eric

Not to jack your thread, but I'm trying to get my ASC working again. Prior owner disconnected it. Don't know where to start. Everything seems hooked up, the secondary cable is not very tight, I need to know how it should be adjusted. How do I get the ASC light off?

Tommy

Not to jack your thread, but I'm trying to get my ASC working again. Prior owner disconnected it. Don't know where to start. Everything seems hooked up, the secondary cable is not very tight, I need to know how it should be adjusted. How do I get the ASC light off?

Tommy

maybe the ASC TPS is faulty...or the adjustment can be a little tricky too. just keep tweeking the adjusters when you start the car when the ASC goes through its power up check and maybe you'll get the TPS/bell crank in the proper range.

I would be interested in this if you can get a kit put together. It's always better not having any warning lights on, even if you can get used to it.

Thanks

very interested in a kit when completed

ETA on kit completion?

You have sold me...with the SC on the car...you zip tied description is exactly right....

ETA on kit completion?

4-6 weeks if I keep getting responses like this.

Keep in mind guys that part of the system will be retained but the TB itself is removed. You will have to find a place to stow the TPS assembly and it can't get too far away due to the short electrical connector and throttle cable. Most likely it will go right back by the brake booster but because its sooo much smaller its better.

Eric

I see...

Interested.

I'm going to post pics of the prototype tomorrow.

If you guys are seriously interested you should start a list after you see the pics.

The big variable here is I have to find a place to have the ASC throttle position sensor drive shaft manufactured. The rest is easy, I'll have a bracket stamped and zinc plated, and then I'll put together the hardware bundles when everything else is ready.

Eric

waiting for pics

waiting for pics

jeez...forgot.

sorry, I'll post them up in the next couple days...too fn busy lately.

E

ok no problem

will this work on a e38 is there any performance benifts

Update? ETA?

Pics???

very interested...and standing by

been out of town for a while...sorry guys.

I'm having a bit of a problem finding a fabricator to make the drive shaft for the ASC TPS. It's not a horribly complicated piece but in small quantities may prove to be more expensive than it's worth.

The other hardware is already pretty much off the board and in the hands of my metal guy...he's awaiting my go ahead.

The good news is that I have had the prototype installed on my car since I started this thread...I forgot it was there until I checked my oil the other day. No probs...no lights...no codes...no switching it off.

I'll let you know.

Eric

Any pictures. I am interested.

I'm out of town right now...no pics yet.

But I did just schedule a meeting with a company about the drive shaft...looks good for end of March completion.

E

bringing this back. I am still interested

bringing this back. I am still interested

ok I'll try to get some pics up today.

also interested, previous owner left it installed but disconnected it and the ASC light is on. i was in the process of removing the light bulb from the cluster when it started to rain. awaiting pics, but interested still.

OK got some pics:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/epeviston/IMG_4281.jpg

put a dollar bill next to it so you could get an idea of scale.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/epeviston/IMG_4284.jpg

The proposed location for this would be the same place where people have there entire ASC Throttle body hanging...right under the brake booster vac line.

My ASC TB is still in place...still waiting on my elbow.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/epeviston/IMG_4287.jpg

I will prob have a compound bend put on the bracket and a hole punched so it could be bolted to the flange where the ASC TB was bolted...there will be an empty hole there anyway.

So...now that you've seen it...do you still want me to make it?

Eric

ya do it, what will the price be?

ya do it, what will the price be?

well it all depends on the drive shaft manufacturing costs. but I think somewhere around $50 (maybe a little less) + shipping (prob about $10 anywhere)

I'm confused. I don't really understand the picture. I was thinking there was going to be an elbow replacing the old ASC TB and we were just going to relocate the ASC TB hardware where you have yours now. Can you explain what we are looking at when we are looking at the pictures?

I'm confused. I don't really understand the picture. I was thinking there was going to be an elbow replacing the old ASC TB and we were just going to relocate the ASC TB hardware where you have yours now. Can you explain what we are looking at when we are looking at the pictures?

OK. All the kit would do is delete the actual TB from the system without giving you an ASC light.

By keeping the ASC throttle cable attached to the ASC TPS the system can complete a startup test and believes it is all still in tact.

Most guys who delete their ASC do so but keep everything hooked up to the TB and just stuff it back in a hole somewhere so the light doesn't come on.

I could bundle the kit with an ASC delete intake elbow....either the Samco or OE.

E

OK. All the kit would do is delete the actual TB from the system without giving you an ASC light.

By keeping the ASC throttle cable attached to the ASC TPS the system can complete a startup test and believes it is all still in tact.

Most guys who delete their ASC do so but keep everything hooked up to the TB and just stuff it back in a hole somewhere so the light doesn't come on.

I could bundle the kit with an ASC delete intake elbow....either the Samco or OE.

E

Thats what I thought. I was just confused on why you still had the ASC TB still there insteade of having a silicone or whatever elbow there.

Thats what I thought. I was just confused on why you still had the ASC TB still there insteade of having a silicone or whatever elbow there.

oh sorry...I haven't received my new NO-ASC intake elbow yet or it would be gone!!

So what all would be included in this and at what cost aproximately?

How much does it weigh...aren't you a bit worried of ziptying it to the brake booster vacuum line? I'm sure there is a more sturdy place on the frame to zip tie it to.

How much does it weigh...aren't you a bit worried of ziptying it to the brake booster vacuum line? I'm sure there is a more sturdy place on the frame to zip tie it to.

it doesnt weigh much at all...it's just the TPS basically.

but the plan is to actually bolt the assembly into place via the new bracket I will make. I didn't make a provision for bolting the prototype.

yea i would like one of these.. my asc light comes on and off here and there without me pushing the button.. i would like to delete it.. hope the kit gets done soon. hurry!!

very interested.....

Interested

I'm working on it. I need to find another shop that could possibly make the drive shaft for the TPS.

Interested! ASC sucks, even for winter.

ok...I think I have the TPS drive shaft worked out. but I'm still not convinced that there is enough interest in this modification to cover my tooling costs.

I would have to have at least 15 confirmed (means prepaid) orders just to break even on my first round of tooling costs.

Price for the first 15 would be discounted to $40 shipped. Keep in mind though that the first kits are not always the best...as these DIY projects evolve they get a little better.

So if you would be happy with what you've seen so far (and I'll get more pics of it installed next to my NON ASC boot) then go ahead and get on the list.

When we get 15 I'll take payment and get my people started on the brackets and the TPS drive shafts.

Eric

Does this come with the z3 intake boot or whatever boot with the hole for the IAT sensor? If so....

1. BMWManiac

Does this come with the z3 intake boot or whatever boot with the hole for the IAT sensor? If so....

1. BMWManiac

not for the $40. $40 would be for just the ASC delete parts. the intake boot will be an option item added to the kit for a yet to be determined price.

the options will be

'95 M3 non-asc intake boot...which has the 2 holes.
'96+ non-asc intake boot...1 hole only.
Samco silicone boots...1 or 2 holes.it should be noted that the extra hole on the bottom of the boots that have 2 holes is not really designed for the IAT sensor. it still requires a good amount of silicone to seal the sensor into the hole.

IMO the boots with one hole are the best...you'd then use a 1/4" drill or bore to make a hole for the sensor. then the sensor seals up tight and is easily removed and re-installed with no sealant. I have installed both. I like the drill your own hole method better.

Eric

What about with boost applications...the sensor will stay in the bored hole? I'm guessing we have to plug the other hole then?

interested in asc delete kit

What about with boost applications...the sensor will stay in the bored hole? I'm guessing we have to plug the other hole then?

hhmmm. duno about the boosted apps. since the IAT sensor is so hard to get pushed up into the boot with 2 holes and you'd silicone it in there too to seal it up...the boot with 2 holes would prob work better for FI apps.

I would be afraid of the sensor getting blown out of the boot with the drill your own hole method.

but I really don't have any experience with this.

Eric

Interseted if we can get some pricing on the complete kit. Also what is the problem with the 2 hole boot. I have OBDI and would need that.

Interseted if we can get some pricing on the complete kit. Also what is the problem with the 2 hole boot. I have OBDI and would need that.

isn't OBDI with ASC pretty rare?

anyway, there is no problem with the 2 holed boot for OBDI but when you use one of the 2 holes for the IAT sensor, as in when doing the M50 manifold swap, the sensor doesn't really fit all that well since the holes were designed for vacuum attachments and not sensors.

I have to get answers from the other vendors on pricing of the various boots. all will probably be available as options...the samco boot being the most expensive. you could prob just count on the other vendor's prices because I won't be allowed to charge less than them for their products. and I wouldn't charge any more either. it would just be an option to help sell kits.

Eric

eta?

sounds pretty cool, i'd be willing to try it out

im down for this....just give out the info on when to pay : - )

If we get a list completed with at least 15 people I'll get the parts made.

But you guys have to prove to me that this will sell...so get a list going. It's still working on my car. I now have my '95 boot installed and the ASC TB removed...it looks better and drives better IMO.

E

If we get a list completed with at least 15 people I'll get the parts made.

But you guys have to prove to me that this will sell...so get a list going. It's still working on my car. I now have my '95 boot installed and the ASC TB removed...it looks better and drives better IMO.

E

u guys heard the man....get on the list

1. volcomnator999

put me on the list

tsmtdi

Hmmm, I've done the ASC delete but my ABS isn't working now. Or is it just a coincidence that my ABS isn't working? If anyone can clarify that deleting the ASC ALSO affects the ABS then I'm definitely in for one of these.

Eric, I'm trying hard to get a hold of you today...I need one of your custom gaskets overnighted to me!

is this still going to be available?

I need one

is this still going to be available?

Its only going to happen if we can get 15 people on a list that want to prepay and wait for the first built kits.

If I include an OE Non-ASC boot and do the first 15 kits for $55 shipped, would that get the list going?

An OE boot is about $25, and shipping is prob gonna be $10. That means that the first 15 kits would be $20 for the kit portion.

I have the OE boot and it looks good and works good. The silicone samco boot obviously would be better but its a ton of money. I could swap it in for an aditional charge if you want.

Let me know if you all have any ideas on how to get this going.

Eric

Here is a list of the the people that said they would want one. Please update this list if you want to be added

1. volcomnator999
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda
4. tsmtdi
5. volcomnator999
6. dilat3d
7. M3vil (interested)
8. OGseries3 (interested)
9. 98-99m3
10. Kennejp (very interested)
11. grnbimmer28 (interested)
12. M3@Apex (interested)
13. BMWManiac (interested)
14. Tronix (interested)
15. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
16. topless328 (very interested)
17. Haltson Pitman (interested)

Lets try and get those people to change their interested to I will take one.

1. volcomnator999
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. volcomnator999
6. dilat3d
7. M3vil (interested)
8. OGseries3 (interested)
9. 98-99m3
10. Kennejp (very interested)
11. grnbimmer28 (interested)
12. M3@Apex (interested)
13. BMWManiac (interested)
14. Tronix (interested)
15. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
16. topless328 (very interested)
17. Haltson Pitman (interested)

Whats the difference between the OE boot, Z3 boot, and Mroadster boot? I am also going to need a boot that fits OBDI, so I need one with two holes.

'95 Non-ASC Boot = 2 holes on bottom - pn (from realoem) 13541738757

'96 + Non-ASC boot = 1 hole on bottom - pn (from realoem) 13541703588

you can use the '95 boot if you need the OBDI connections or if you're '96+ and have the M50 manifold conversion and need the extra hole for the IAT sensor.

if you are '96+ and don't have the M50 conversion (or have your IAT sensor installed elsewhere) you can use the '96 + boot.

the only car I'm not sure of is the Z3 2.8...the info on realoem shows a different part number then all the other boots. if anyone can verify that there is or isn't a difference that would help a lot.

Eric

What if i dont need the boot? Will it be a little less?

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)

my name was down twice on the list

my name was down twice on the list

My bad I was putting together fast before I went to class

My bad I was putting together fast before I went to class

its all good : - )

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)

What if i dont need the boot? Will it be a little less?

yes

I was just trying to give everybody an option so they would have a complete ASC delete kit.

E

Remember - only the first 15 get the opening price deal. I will need to raise the price a bit to cover some more out of pocket expenses after the first 15.

It won't go up much but the first 15 will deff be getting a deal.

Looks like this might happen after all. Cool, I love new parts.

Eric

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)

changed mine to w/o boot

1. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
2. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. Tronix (interested)
14. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
15. topless328 (very interested)
16. Haltson Pitman (interested)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)
20. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)

I'm out. You can remove me from the list. I pulled the bulb from the cluster and removed the switch from the panel. Problem solved.

I'm out. You can remove me from the list. I pulled the bulb from the cluster and removed the switch from the panel. Problem solved.

So does the ASC part of the ASC+T still work? W/O the TB I know the +T is definately gone.

PEOPLE ADD OR REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE LIST. DONT JUST POST IM IN.

1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
14. topless328 (very interested)
15. Haltson Pitman (interested)
16. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)
20. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)

1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (I will take one, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
14. topless328 (very interested)
15. Haltson Pitman (interested)
16. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)
20. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
21. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)

Any word on this?

Any word on this?

9 on the list. Can someone reshuffle it to put the people ready to pay on the top (but in the same order)?

I would do it but I'm in mexico on my blackberry.

Thanks,

Eric

Here you go...

1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
16. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
17. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
18. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
19. ninety83er (ready to pay)
20. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
21. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)

4. tsmtdi
5. dilat3d
6. M3vil (interested)
7. OGseries3 (interested)
8. 98-99m3
9. Kennejp (very interested)
10. grnbimmer28 (interested)
11. M3@Apex (interested)
12. BMWManiac (interested)
13. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
14. topless328 (very interested)
15. Haltson Pitman (interested)

i'm confused here.....i'm in no way trying to bash this potential product or anything, but I'm trying to figure out what the difference between this "kit" is and buying the 95 throttle body boot (no traction control), removing the ASC blub on your dash, replacing the ASC switch with just a standard plastic piece that fits under the sunglass compartment, and ziptying your wires from the ASC delete under the throttle body boot area so it can't be seen?
Again, am i missing something here? i'm interested in the product, i just can't figure out what the advantage would be since i currently have the mpact throttle body boot with my wires ziptied out of sight, obviously no traction control, the traction control bulb pulled out, and eventually i'll get rid of the ASC button...

This keeps ASC portion of ASC+T. You only loose the +T part...

I'll take the liberty of renumbering the list...

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)

On the sidelines looking in - if five of you "man up", we can get this going:
11. tsmtdi
12. dilat3d
13. M3vil (interested)
14. OGseries3 (interested)
15. 98-99m3
16. Kennejp (very interested)
17. grnbimmer28 (interested)
18. M3@Apex (interested)
19. BMWManiac (interested)
20. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
21. topless328 (very interested)
22. Haltson Pitman (interested)

Renumbered and added myself as one of the 15 ready to pay for the first batch...

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)

On the sidelines looking in - if five of you "man up", we can get this going:
12. tsmtdi
13. dilat3d
14. M3vil (interested)
15. OGseries3 (interested)
16. 98-99m3
17. Kennejp (very interested)
18. grnbimmer28 (interested)
19. M3@Apex (interested)
20. BMWManiac (interested)
21. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
22. topless328 (very interested)
23. Haltson Pitman (interested)

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)

On the sidelines looking in - if five of you "man up", we can get this going:
12. tsmtdi
13. dilat3d
14. M3vil (interested)
15. OGseries3 (interested)
16. 98-99m3
17. Kennejp (very interested)
18. grnbimmer28 (interested)
19. M3@Apex (interested)
20. BMWManiac (interested)
21. TD97M3Sedan (interested)
22. topless328 (very interested)
23. Haltson Pitman (interested)

added myself to the ready to pay list.

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)

On the sidelines looking in - if two of you "man up", we can get this going:
14. tsmtdi
15. dilat3d
16. M3vil (interested)
17. OGseries3 (interested)
18. 98-99m3
19. Kennejp (very interested)
20. grnbimmer28 (interested)
21. M3@Apex (interested)
22. BMWManiac (interested)
23. topless328 (very interested)
24. Haltson Pitman (interested)

added myself to the ready to pay list.

If your car already has the ASC + ABS lights on in the cluster, will installing this kit clear the lights?

If your car already has the ASC + ABS lights on in the cluster, will installing this kit clear the lights?

If your abs light was set off this wont reset the light. You will have to get it reset, but the kit is supposed to keep the abs part of traction control usable, but not have the ASC light on at all times.

Thats what I figured, thanks.

If your abs light was set off this wont reset the light. You will have to get it reset, but the kit is supposed to keep the abs part of traction control usable, but not have the ASC light on at all times.

No need to reset ABS...just plug and go and it self clears....

The thing is, I didn't remove my ASC TB, I've just had the ABS + ASC lights on since I bought the car. Its probably a wheel speed sensor or something, but I don't want ASC anyways... just want to fix the ABS.

C'mon people we need only 2 more!

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)
14. Johno (ready to pay kit only)
EDIT -- 15. Johno (ready to pay kit only) -- I will take two spots to get this thing moving -- if I can get the first two units to come out of production.

On the sidelines looking in - if two of you "man up", we can get this going:
14. tsmtdi
15. dilat3d
16. M3vil (interested)
17. OGseries3 (interested)
18. 98-99m3
19. Kennejp (very interested)
20. grnbimmer28 (interested)
21. M3@Apex (interested)
22. BMWManiac (interested)
23. topless328 (very interested)
24. Haltson Pitman (interested)

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I added myself -- what's the status on this? PM to vendor not yet returned...

I'm confused about boots. I have a TS, and all I want is the stuff shown in the photo, I think. Also, do we use our own throttle position sensor? All I need is a device to attach the throttle cable and the sensor plug that's dangling now.
Also, if it helps get this moving I will take two units, if I can get the first two units that come out of production.

[QUOTE=Johno;9393814]Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)
14. Johno (ready to pay kit only)
15. KAR15 (ready to pay, kit w/ boot for m50 manifold)

On the sidelines looking in - if two of you "man up", we can get this going:
14. tsmtdi
15. dilat3d
16. M3vil (interested)
17. OGseries3 (interested)
18. 98-99m3
19. Kennejp (very interested)
20. grnbimmer28 (interested)
21. M3@Apex (interested)
22. BMWManiac (interested)
23. topless328 (very interested)
24. Haltson Pitman (interested)

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I added myself if that's okay with Johno #14. LMK if that's good. Thanks.

Cool with me KAR.

I just took two spots to hurry things up. No need for that any more if you are in.

Let's hear from seller on status/etc. I would like to see the timeline for moving forward, prodution timing, etc.

1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)
14. Johno (ready to pay kit only)
15. KAR15 (ready to pay, kit w/ boot for m50 manifold)

On the sidelines looking in - if two of you "man up", we can get this going:
14. tsmtdi
15. dilat3d
16. M3vil (interested)
17. OGseries3 (interested)
18. 98-99m3
19. Kennejp (very interested)
20. grnbimmer28 (interested)
21. M3@Apex (interested)
22. BMWManiac (interested)
23. topless328 (very interested)
24. Haltson Pitman (interested)

That's good. I think Eric is in Mexico, so we may have to wait a few more days on the status of the kits. Thanks.

Eric appears to have been here and posted since we got the required 15 participants. Maybe somebody who knows Eric could email him to see if this will be moving forward and when?

Ok. Here's what I have to do.

I have to meet with my TPS drive shaft fabricator and my bracket fabricator. I'll get a time line and I'm guessing about 5-6 weeks for the brackets. The drive shafts will be quick I'm sure.

I'll put together a hardware parts list and secure suppliers for that.

I'll take more detailed photos of what you will be receiving as part of the kit and make sure there is no confusion as to what the kit will and will not do.

Then if all of you are still sure you want it then you'll pay me the previously agreed upon price with or without a new boot.

Then I'll order the parts to be completed.

I'm going to be well in the hole on this one so ONLY the first 15 people on the list will receive the first price.

Then a new GB list with a new slightly higher price will be started and all of the earlier buyers can post if the product worked or didn't work or whatever.

So are we a GO?

Eric

I'm good to go, do we have any ball park idea on what the price will be for us lucky first 15?

Go go go go go!

Go go go go go!

+1

I'm good to go, do we have any ball park idea on what the price will be for us lucky first 15?

Its somewhere in this thread a page or 2 back.

I'll get back to the thread sometime next week with a time schedule and all the other stuff.

E

So are we a GO?

Yes.

go........

I'm still in. Thanks for the heads up.

Houston, We are go for launch.

go for it

gogogoogogo

I'm a go too!

There is some talk over in the M3 E36 forum that fooling the system is asking for trouble. Some say if the car thinks the system is there but it is not it will lean out the car and cause trouble or something to that effect. Others argue back that is not true.

I posted a query about this on the FI board and got zero response. I have an email into Josh at ESs and await a reply.

In addition to the production timeline etc., I would also like to have a definitive answer as to how the car will specifically handle the false impression that there is an ASC operational when there is no throttle plate. In other words, what is happening with normal vehicle function, and what happens instead with the system fooled?

I do not mean to be raining on the parade, but I think it's a legitimate question that merits a definitative answer, for the best interest of all parties involved.

I found a page that may help a little to clear up ASC+T, i will quote what makes me think this mod will not lean-out the engine.
http://www.318ti.org/notebook/asc/index.html

The ASC + T control unit has a high-speed (CAN) data link to the main engine control unit, and has control of a throttle actuator motor. This allows it to reduce engine power.
...
The first stage (single wheel braking) actually improves vehicle performance. The second stage (engine reduction) doesn't improve performance available, but it adjusts output so that all that is available is fully utilized.


So we are trying to disable the engine reduction part, which is controlled by the throttle actuator motor.
From what I can find on Realoem.com i see this:


http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BF83&mospid=47482&btnr=13_0391&hg=13&fg=15

I think the throttle actuator motor is the same thing as the SECONDARY THROTTLE HOUSING, and is separate from throttle housing assembly attached to the intake manifold. so I would assume the butterfly valve on the intake boot is what ASC+T uses to control engine power in the event of traction loss. By removing the ASC+T control from the intake boot I think that all we are doing is disabling the car from taking emergency control over the throttle.


Please correct me if I am wrong but I think the ASC+T only cuts the air intake using the secondary throttle housing.

To clarify, the secondary throttle housing comes before the primary on the intake manifold.

Also I know if you play with the bowden cable, the cable on the secondary throttle housing assembly, it will set a ASC light until the car is turned off. I never held it to see if it controls the butterfly valve to choke the engine (which i would assume it should). Can anyone confirm?

So what's up with this thing? I just read three months of posts with no real decision...

If the ASC-T system only cut air then the injectors would cause a lean mixture. So yes I believe the system will cause lean fuel/air mixture which can cause damage.
I believe I read that the ASC-T system controls fuel injectors as well in the Bently, I'll double check when I have time. Maybe it works off of the throttle position sensor on the ASC-T throttle housing if it has one? Anyone?

anyhow, if you can get the kit and solid proof that the fuel mixture will not be impared during ASC-T activation, I'll love to own this kit.

One moire "q" for the tech guru's. does it actuat the vanos solenoid to adjust timing. Maybe it works by feeding the main DME signals which has master control over fuel and timing. If so can we cut some of the signal wires going to the DME so the fuel and timing wouldn't be impacted while still keeping the ASC-T system running without shutting itself down.

Just an FYI, the ASC delete will NOT disable the airbag system in the cars, I verified this with a very reputable BMW tuner/racer/shop owner, in fact he said to remove the ASC, pull the bulb from the dash, and thank the machinist for his time.

thats a no brainer. imagine your airbag going off in your face when you peel out with the ASC on.:lol
Can anyone answer my previous "q"?

Sorry, that was more relevant to some people posting in the thread earlier.
As far as I know the only function ASC serves is to cut off air to the motor is you loose traction. Knowing that this all happens in a second or less I seriouslt doubt that they went through the trouble of setting up fuel maps and vanos engagement criteria in case ASC is activated, all that stuff will naturally adjust itself as the motor is temporarily starved of air and the revs drop suddenly.
Does that answer your question?

as this is your opinion and not written fact,

no.

OK, well if the opinion of a guy thats owned 7 of these cars over the last 11 years various highly modified states of NA and turbo tune, has worked for a BMW professional race team over the last couple years in the Speed Touring Car series and does countless product reviews and technical articles for BMW regional newsletters and Roundel is not good enough for you then you should look elsewhere for your information. Sorry I wasted your time.

Sorry, that was more relevant to some people posting in the thread earlier.
As far as I know the only function ASC serves is to cut off air to the motor is you loose traction. Knowing that this all happens in a second or less I seriouslt doubt that they went through the trouble of setting up fuel maps and vanos engagement criteria in case ASC is activated, all that stuff will naturally adjust itself as the motor is temporarily starved of air and the revs drop suddenly.
Does that answer your question?

does that sound like an opinion or a fact to you????
No, you did not answer the question to the point that I am confident that I won't ruin my engine. A fraction of a second is enough time to destroy an engine. don't you think.

don't mean to insult your statis, but.

If the motor is actually starved for air. you actually think that an o2 sensor will be able to adjust in that short amount of time for the enrichment. how else do you think it will adjust? i think you'll end up dumping some fuel if not worse.

does anyone have any or know of any official document showcasing the fact that the fuel and timing isn't adjusted by the ASC?

Sorry, that was more relevant to some people posting in the thread earlier.
As far as I know the only function ASC serves is to cut off air to the motor is you loose traction. Knowing that this all happens in a second or less I seriouslt doubt that they went through the trouble of setting up fuel maps and vanos engagement criteria in case ASC is activated, all that stuff will naturally adjust itself as the motor is temporarily starved of air and the revs drop suddenly.
Does that answer your question?


really, what about braking???? doesn't it act on the braking system as well??

Bavauto, If you are this uncomfortable and unsure about the product then clearly you don't need to even consider buying it.

I just did the ASC delete on my 99 M3 this last weekend, its just a freakin secondary throttle body actuated by a cable thats engaged by a motor controlled by the computer, nothing exotic. I also did a flush of my brake fluids, its actuated by your foot, its a hydraulic system, again, nothing exotic. All the ASC does is shut off air for a split second when the computer senses you've lost traction on the rear wheels. I celebrated the ASC removal by doing a burnout and a couple donuts, my motor didn't explode.

Not to prove you wrong, and thats great. I just got the non-asc elbow in the mail and am going to do the same. I also looked in the bently on pages ele-120 & ele-121. It looks as if the ASC throttle position sensor and the actuator are run by the abs module which has atleast 5 leads going into the main dme. They may have something to do with the engine mapping. And may influence whether this kit that is in its prototype stage completely safe for all ASC-T equiped bimmers old and new.

Rather than fight on a message board, try searching both inside and outside of Bf.c

A quick search of "BMW e36 ASC how does it work" in Google yields many hits. And before someone goes off about it, yes it is correct that you can not always believe what you read on the web. Websites commenting on George Bush and the Iraq war I take with a grain of salt. However, I seriously doubt some nut is going to make stuff up about the technical details of something as esoteric as traction control.

With that said, here are links to two separate websites that have taken extracts from BMW Magazine. It may be the same article - I can't tell. Edits are mine, for length.

ASC+T (http://users.cybercity.dk/~bbo2530/Private/traction.htm)
It works like this: in critical situations on the road, the angle of the throttle butterfly ... is altered ... as to allow only the maximum transmissible power to reach the wheels, while Digital Motor Electronics (DME) adjust the ignition time. ... In addition, ASC+T will also activate the brakes in the rear wheels if necessary, and to varying degrees if frictional coefficients on the road differ.

The ASC+T system knows when stability and traction have to be increased thanks to the ABS sensors ... If the predetermined limits are exceeded, the control unit will instantly activate the traction system.

As a certain slip in the drive wheel is necessary for optimum thrust in sand or deep snow, the ASC+T system can be switched off manually.

ASC+T is available as standard equipment in all '97 BMW models with a capacity of 2.8 litres or more and as an option in all BMW four cylinder models.

Eric Hedsrom's 1999 BMW M3 - E36 Coupe page (http://www.geocities.com/bmw_1999_m3/199905112a.html)
How does it work? ASC+T reduces engine torque as soon as a wheel tends to spin ... If this action is not sufficient to restore tire grip, the T function (traction control) takes over and the wheel brake is applied, provided that road speed is not above 100 km/h. Torque is reduced by the engine's own management system. ... The system includes engine drag torque regulation, to prevent the driven wheels from locking momentarily ... if the level of engine braking becomes too high.

Up to a speed of 40 km/h, traction control has the same effect as a conventional limited-slip differential. Since the left and right wheels can be braked independently, ASC+T is comparable to ... a locking action of almost 100 percent. But it can be switched off ... where complete suppression of wheel spin may be undesirable...

After reading these points, if you feel like you don't want to remove the throttle body and "fake out" the ASC system, then don't do it.

As someone who has had his ASC throttle removed for quite some time, and who has also swapped out the standard open diff for an aftermarket LSD, I personally would like to get the ASC-ectomy kit in order to be able fake out the computer to believe the throttle body is still in place, and therefore be able to "turn off" the ASC system. Yes, this will illuminate the light in the dash, but that doesn't really bother me.

Since I have already removed the throttle, I figure I am no worse off by installing the kit and turning off the ASC system than I would be if I turned off the system with the extra butterfly valve installed, and I get the bonus of having the ASC throttle body - and its related restrictions - removed from my system. That, and the fact that this solution is completely reversable, unlike cutting some wires.

We're not going to come to your house and make you install the kit. It's your car - do what you want with it. But please don't throw rocks here (posting in red, etc) as some of us may have different situations than you do, and may have different reasons for getting this.

If you are this nervous, dont remove it.
Almost everyone in the FI forum has had to remove theirs.
If its being lean that you are concerned about, I believe the fuel maps runs off of the HFM which can detect the the air mass going into the engine and fuel it properly.

I dont know if you know this , but just by shifting your car your AFR spikes to over 18:1 and normal driving AFR looks failrly ugly......

I attached my AFR (purple) plots with RPM (Black) and Throttle % (red), from datalogging my car. This is for a normal CITY driving a block.


You can see that the AFR is VARIED and I dont believe you have to worry about a small lean AFR Blip due to the ASC. The DME will not run it lean for long periods as it gets its air reading from HFM. It will know how much fuel to add even if, as you say there is a separate MAP for it.

Thank you Gerry,

In my eyes, that is real-world proof that the motor can certainly withstand short periods of extreme lean conditions which as far as i can discern is the only potential negative to removing asc.

-Mark

Thanks guys for getting this back on topic....

So is there any update on when the kit will be ready?

Holy crap! look what happens when I dont pay attention for a while!

You guys are going to have to be patient on this one. I'm working on it. It's going to happen for sure. It's just going to take a while.

I haven't had much time to go meet with fabricators and do the footwork I said I needed to do.

The biggest problem is that my real job, I'm a pilot, takes me away from home which is where I need to be to do all the things that need to be done to get a project like this off the ground (pilot humor).

Now to answer a question or two...I don't know FOR SURE that this modification will NOT hurt your engine. I'm sorry but I don't have all the data to support why I DON'T THINK this mod will not hurt your engine but BMW won't give that info to anyone.

I don't THINK the TPS on the ASC TB is tied into any part of the fuel system. I don't THINK there is a problem going lean due to the fact that the car will think the ASC TB has closed and shortened the injector pulse to match the lack of incoming intake air when in fact there has been no interruption in airflow at all because the actual TB is not there...only the car thinks it is. It is a valid question.

The only proof I have that this will not be a problem is the fact that there are 100s of cars running around out there, mine included, with their ASC TB removed and shoved down inside the engine compartment somewhere. The car still thinks the ASC TB is there, and it is...but no matter how much it tries to block airflow it cant because the TB is not anywhere near the path of intake air. It's still connected electronically and it still performs a power-up sweep of the ASC TB plate to check it's functionality.

Most people who have there ASC TB shoved down inside the compartment somewhere get tired of looking at it in there all pitiful and all...or get tired of having to move it around to get to things they need to work on...so they just unplug it and throw it into a box of parts in the attic labeled "BWM parts to be sold on ebay". They then either live with the light or yank the bulb or cover it up with a sticker.

I have been driving my car with the prototype ASC Ectomy kit on it now for several months. I have competed in a couple of autocrosses and been on several bonsai canyon runs...all without ever touching the ASC switch. The ABS part of the +T traction control is kinda cool. It's like the "Half Mode" of the newer DSC systems. You can't do dough nuts though...you still have to turn the ASC switch off to make those purty black circles in the grocery store parking lots late at night after you've consumed plenty of liquid courage.

I'm working on it...more to follow.

Eric

Thanks for the update on process.

Perhaps Stimpee or Eurosport will weigh in on this?

I don;t have any question about whether it hurts the car to remove the ASC. The question is whether anything bad happens if you trick the car into thinking it's still there.

Meanwhile, I'm cool with being patient. I hope this happens.

The question is whether anything bad happens if you trick the car into thinking it's still there.


everyone who has taken the ASC TB off of the intake track but left it hooked up, stuffed down inside the engine compartment, has tricked the system to think it's still there. and I have heard nothing "bad" that has happened from driving like this from those that have done the ASC delete in that manner.

and I myself have been driving with the ASC connected but not in line for a couple years now...so the car is tricked to think it's there...and I can tell you that nothing bad has happened with mine.

E

well, I'm convinced. I already put the non acs-t boot on, but left the asc=t throttle unplugged as I'm still working on my car, thanks for all the patient feedback. I can be a pest.:freak
Here:beer:beermugdrHave one on me.:)

what was the final price?

when when

I have been driving my car with the prototype ASC Ectomy kit on it now for several months. I have competed in a couple of autocrosses and been on several bonsai canyon runs...

Ericbonsai canyon runs ... is that where you load up the trunk with miniature trees and see if they survive the run? ;)

BANZAI! :ninja

bonsai canyon runs ... is that where you load up the trunk with miniature trees and see if they survive the run? ;)

BANZAI! :ninja

ooops...my online spell checker got me with that one. lol!!

I'm gonna get you a t-shirt that says "Is anal retentive a$$hole hyphenated?"

I'm gonna get you a t-shirt that says "Is anal retentive a$$hole hyphenated?"

It should be.

Oh, wait. Was that a rhetorical question? :)

Good luck with getting this moving. I can wait, but only barely.

More toys for the BMW! :redspot

bonsai canyon runs ... is that where you load up the trunk with miniature trees and see if they survive the run? ;)

BANZAI! :ninja

no, thats when u drive down a small hill really fast.....

Real quick just to clairify, these system removes the T part of the ASC-T or the entire ASC-T? Also this does retain the ABS system correct? Cant wiat for the kit to be finished, you have any kind of time frame?

OK. so here's the deal. I can get this built within my budget. The TPS drive shaft has been giving me fits. That, and my real job is getting in the way.

Here is a pic of what you'll be getting in the kit. Except that everything will be zinc plated black so it disappears into the engine compartment. Also, some of it will come assembled. (there is a bushing and a few washers that didn't make it into the pic for some reason)

The bracket will be a perfect laser cut piece with radius corners

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/epeviston/IMG_9610.jpg





And here is a pic of the components you will need to use off of your current ASC system. You will remove these from your ASC throttle body. You will need to modify the return spring a little to reduce it's return strength.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/epeviston/IMG_9611.jpg

And of course you will get an instruction manual on how to put all this together and how to time the TPS drive shaft so you don't get a ASC fault.

I should be able to get this built within 5 weeks of receiving everybody's payment. It's the bracket that is going to take a while to get made. My metal guy is really busy and I'm a tiny account.

so if you're one of the original 15 people on the list, paypal sales@m50manifold.com the amount we agreed upon...state whether you need a new intake boot too.

When I get all of the payments I'll turn my metal guy loose on the bracket design.

Eric

the amount we agreed upon


Thanks for the update. I'm uncluear on the amount we agreed upon. My recollection was it was kind of lose.

May we please have an ETA after you recieve payment? I ask because I will be gone for a while, and need to arrange a shipping location according to ETA.

Quesiton about the kit: We will need our TPS too, correct?

Thanks for duing this!

Thanks for the update. I'm uncluear on the amount we agreed upon. My recollection was it was kind of lose.

May we please have an ETA after you recieve payment? I ask because I will be gone for a while, and need to arrange a shipping location according to ETA.

Quesiton about the kit: We will need our TPS too, correct?

Thanks for duing this!

Oh man I was hoping you guys knew what we agreed upon.

Anyway I think I found the most recent price in this thread http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9277990&postcount=63

Looks like a kit with a BMW boot (1 hole or 2) is $55 shipped. and just the hardware kit is $25 shipped. Only the first 15 get this price.

I think the subsequent price will be in the $40 range just for the hardware kit...another $25 will get a boot too.

paypal sales@m50manifold.com

Eric

When would I expect to get the kit in my hands as I am in the process of doing this :)

What is the price for no boot included...

eric.....which boot should we get if we have Obd2..the one with 2 holes or 1 hole?

ready to pay : - )

When would I expect to get the kit in my hands as I am in the process of doing this :)

What is the price for no boot included...

well, if you're not one of the first 15 on the list you will get yours after those. Prob about 4-6 weeks from now.

and this is assuming that I get 15 payments to get this ball rolling.

I have given the information for the people who said they are "ready to pay" and I have yet to receive 1 payment.

I should just open the list up to first 15 people who actually send money to my paypal account. If I don't get any responses by the end of today I'll do that.

And anybody who pays me...if there aren't eventually 15 people on the list I'll refund your money and cancel this whole thing.

Eric

eric.....which boot should we get if we have Obd2..the one with 2 holes or 1 hole?

ready to pay : - )

If you have a '96+ car with a stock manifold - 1 hole boot. PN -13-54-1-703-588-M9 or you could get the 2 hole boot if you may do the M50 manifold in the future...and just plug one hole til then.

If you have a '96+ car with M50 manifold - 2 hole boot (if you don't want to drill the 1 hole boot for the IAT sensor) - 13-54-1-738-757-M155

If you have a '95 (I think this is pretty rare) - 2 hole boot. PN - 13-54-1-738-757-M155

I got these part numbers from the pelican parts website. You can view these part numbers and photos at their website www.pelicanparts.com


SPECIFY IN THE PAYPAL WHICH MAKE AND MODEL AND INTAKE MODS YOU HAVE AND THE BOOT YOU WANT. If I don't think the boot makes sense I'll contact you.

Eric

What is the price with no boot? Don't think I can wait that long unfortunately :(

Let me know!

Thanks for the effort!

ok...im going to be doing the m50 manifoldl kit later ( i got the m50 manifold sitting in my garage and eventually im going to pick up the kit from you) so i guess imma paypal you for the 2 hold boot and kit when i get from school today... : - )

What is the price with no boot? Don't think I can wait that long unfortunately :(

Let me know!

Thanks for the effort!

Lets just say the price after the first 15 is gonna be $40 shipped without a boot. I might be able to do better than that but I gotta see how all this is gonna work out.

I don't see what the problem with it taking so long is? If you cant wait to take it off, do so and live with the light for a month or so...then get the kit and get your launch control back and your light put out.

E

Again, thanks for doing this. I think the challenge you are seeing is lack of understanding with us 15 what the price is and what we get.

In just the last few posts the price is unclear. A few posts ago --


is $55 shipped. and just the hardware kit is $25 shipped.


Now I read it's $40 for just the kit?

I am OK with waiting 4-6 weeks.

Please tell me how much to paypal you for the stuff I need to make my light go out and I will send you the money today. I do not need a boot, I don;t think. Just the parts I need to make the light go out. Assuming I have a complete ASC throttle body with TPS here at home.

Thanks again,

Yes can you outline exactly what we will be getting and a rough outline of the installation?

B TW,

People who understand the challenges you are facing will be OK with some changing details along the way.

All we're asking for is what is the fact of the kit and the pricing now that you are ready to move forward.

I remain ready to pay and patient with the process.

Thanks again,

JO

aaarg. you guys are killing me.

THE FIRST 15 PEOPLE TO PAYPAL ME $25 WILL GET A HARDWARE KIT ONLY. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE FIRST 15 AND YOU PAYPAL ME $55 YOU WILL ALSO GET AN OEM INTAKE BOOT.

FORGET ABOUT THE LIST. PAYPAL ME AND I WILL PLACE YOU ON A LIST OF MY OWN. IF I DON'T GET 15 PEOPLE WITHIN A FEW DAYS I WILL REFUND EVERYONES MONEY AND FORGET ABOUT THIS.

PAYPAL SALES@M50MANIFOLD.COM

the install is very simple. take off the ASC TB. remove the TPS and cable drive ASSY from the top of it. assemble the hardware kit with your TPS. plug it in and hook up the cable. install the new boot. zip tie the assy to the brake booster vacuum line and you're done.

Eric

do the OEM boots come in different colors?

if I order the $25 kit now will you ship me a boot later for $30? How about a boot now for $30 and a kit later for $25?

If I have a 97 but changed to OBDI but kept the M52 manifold, but got the 540 HFM and have a 3.5" intake, what boot should I use?

Is your answer the same if I used a Porsche HFM?

how about the Porsche HFM with the M50 manifold?

How about the Porsche HFM with the 3.0" intake?

how about a Porsche HFM with a 3.0" intake and BBTB?

What about if I put in a 3.91 diff?

Do you sell HFMs? Which ones?

Please have your customer service department get back to me ASAP with answers to all my kweschuns.

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haha. very funny. BTW...you get all of the weeds out of your car yet, Pete?

When will thoes first 15 ppl get there kits? Will paypal tonight pending anwser.

you have paypal....

When will thoes first 15 ppl get there kits? Will paypal tonight pending anwser.

I don't know...guessing 5 weeks or so.

E

you have paypal....

that's 1 - you're on the list

Kit only. Thanks again for doing this.

John


IF I DON'T GET 15 PEOPLE WITHIN A FEW DAYS

P.S. Please don't lose patience with us curious people. We have been patient watching this unfold for months. It can be hard to track details over several months and 6 pages of posts.

paypal sent eric...thnx for doing this

There are 3 on the list now. 12 more to go.

I just sent payment. The idea intrigues me.

I'm still going to push the Happy Fun Button when I'm AutoX'ing or on the track, but it would be nice to not have it glaring at me on the street.

Sending Paypal Now

Kit Only :)

I can always add this to my work at a later date :)

Paypal sent. Blebm. Kit only. Thanks.

To quote Leeroy J: Alright chums, let's do this.

Everybody into the pool!!

6 on the list.

E

If you are seeking another round of signers beyond the first 15 required to initiate launch the first time, how about posting a note on the FI forum?

I suspect it will re-populate the list quickly.

If you are seeking another round of signers beyond the first 15 required to initiate launch the first time, how about posting a note on the FI forum?

I suspect it will re-populate the list quickly.

after I get orders for 15 I'm gonna get the kit built, send those out, and then take orders on a as needed basis weekly...and I'll ship 1 day a week like I do the manifold kits.

the only reason I need 15 paid orders is because I just want to know for sure that there is enough interest to keep this thing going...so I don't lose a ton of money on this.

it looks like it's going to go ok now.

Eric

haha. very funny. BTW...you get all of the weeds out of your car yet, Pete?
Nah, I'm leaving them in as a reminder not to collect any more. Next time I drive through the desert I'm going to borrow your bike.

free bump.

Get More Peeps :)

ooops...stalled at 6 paid so far.

You should cross post in the e36 and e36 M3 subsections... you ummm really should :) hehe

I'm in for hardware only. Paypal sent.

I'll send my payment tomorrow night!

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)
14. Johno (ready to pay kit only)
15. KAR15 (ready to pay, kit w/ boot for m50 manifold)

On the sidelines looking in
16. tsmtdi
17. dilat3d
18. M3vil (interested)
19. OGseries3 (interested)
20. 98-99m3
21. Kennejp (very interested)
22. grnbimmer28 (interested)
23. M3@Apex (interested)
24. BMWManiac (interested)
25. topless328 (very interested)
26. Haltson Pitman (interested)
27. LuvMy328is

I haven't checked this thread in like a week and all hells broke loose on here ;)
I am trynig to send my $25 paypal in right now, paypal is having issues, payment for me should be in shortly.

Ready to pay:
1. cragg56 (READY TO PAY)
2. volcomnator999 (ready to pay)
3. gerry miranda (ready to pay, preferably w/o the boot, but eitherway)
4. BlackHawkRacing (Ready to Pay)
5. MoeMuny (ready to pay) kit without boot
6. jcg (ready to pay) kit w/o boot
7. ninety83er (ready to pay)
8. Kalib0y (ready to pay, dont need intake boot)
9. ultimachi (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
10. bigbilly (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
11. madsedan (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
12. united323is (ready to pay, don't need intake boot)
13. TD97M3Sedan (ready to pay w/o boot)
14. Johno (ready to pay kit only)
15. KAR15 (ready to pay, kit w/ boot for m50 manifold)

On the sidelines looking in
16. tsmtdi
17. dilat3d
18. M3vil (interested)
19. OGseries3 (interested)
20. 98-99m3
21. Kennejp (very interested)
22. grnbimmer28 (interested)
23. M3@Apex (interested)
24. BMWManiac (interested)
25. topless328 (very interested)
26. Haltson Pitman (interested)
27. LuvMy328is



I paid... your list is incorrect :)

plenty of spots left.

we're not going by that list anymore. first 15 to pay get the initial GB. sorry the list got screwed up.

Eric

plenty of spots left.

we're not going by that list anymore. first 15 to pay get the initial GB. sorry the list got screwed up.

Eric

Payment Sent!

~sorry, I forgot to include my username in the payment; Payment is from TDAVIDMCD AT GMAIL DOT COM

any more spots left?

any more spots left?

yes..there are more spots left...i think we got like 7 people...we need 15...just send the payment and dont worry about the list.. : - )

just sent pment for kit and boot

Just sent payment for hardware only. :) Thanks alot for doing this!

Payment sent for hardware only.

Thanks

Eric -

Seems like we are filling up :) What is the "official count" now sir?

personally I think you will be safe to proceed. Having the part to sell will increase the demand. I will buy two if necessary to help things move forward. I am sure I can sell the extra later. If not, what's $25 in the world of FI?

official count is now 11...9 hardware only, and 2 with hardware + boot.

I'm getting parts ordered, drive shafts made, and all the leg work done that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg. final step is getting together with my metal stamping guy and making sure his drawings will match up with all the holes on the bracket. if he doesn't get the tool right I'll have a couple hundred useless brackets and be way behind schedule.

Eric

payment sent

I guess I have not played with that ASC button enough to know what it is like without. Without Bashing, can anyone help clue me in on what I should look forward to with the delete?

Thanks
Jason

I guess I have not played with that ASC button enough to know what it is like without. Without Bashing, can anyone help clue me in on what I should look forward to with the delete?

Thanks
Jason
Check out my Sig, I have a link to my SAMCO ASC delete thread. It will give you some more info. Use my thread + his parts and you'll be all set! :thumbup:

ok, guys. here's the scoop.

I've been battling with a couple guys over in the FI forum about how this system operates in reality. There is a BMW pro over there that claims that our cars never have had the ability to apply brakes as part of the ASC function. All of my data indicates otherwise...several online car mag articles, one high school kids research paper, and the Bentley manual all indicate that the ability to apply brakes as part of the ASC system exists.

So I did some less than scientific testing and shot a couple vids. The vids are posted on the other thread. All I did was jack the car up and try to spin the rear wheels with my ASC on (but ASC TB removed). you can obviously see in the vids that the brakes are absolutely being applied...the shock is compressed as the brakes are applied and the torque is transmitted to the shock. you can see both wheels do this in the vid.


The debate in the FI forum is located here: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760175&page=3

Sorry but you're gonna have to read all 3 pages to get the entire feel of things.

But as for the kit...it seems that maybe the '96 cars may not have the same system as the '97+ cars. In the last couple of posts where I'm relaying my test results there is an easy description of how to test your car to see if the brakes are being applied during ASC operation.

So far everything is still a go for the kit. Let me know what you guys think.

Eric

Go. Thanks.

so is there enough people on the list to get things started???

Interested in kit plus boot 97m3 Where do i send the payment?
Info Please

whats going on with this? has anybody heard if he started to make them ?

http://www.mye28.com/images/smiles/3gears.gif

I still only have 14 orders...I have procured almost all of the hardware but I have not had my bracket guy start stamping brackets.

paypal is sales@m50manifold.com only need 1 more order and I'll gett'er done.

Eric

Alright... someone do it....

Alright... someone do it....

srlsy

Hey just wondering if you got my payment. I sent it via payapl and under the email crcragg@gmail.com . Please let me know otherwise I will be the 15th lol

I'm still interested. What was the final price for just the mechanical bits?
~Phil

How much for the kit, set me up with one. i don't need the new boot elbow. I can paypal it.

is there a spot left, where do I send paypal payment. I'de like the hardware only without boot, thanks.

I'm in, email sent.

Ken Henault

ok we have 15 on the list.

GB LIST IS FULL FOR NOW.

When I get the kits completed and have a better idea of the final costs involved I will post a new price in a new thread.

if the rest of you that didn't make it onto the list want to start a list of your own just to establish a que for shipping, go right ahead.

I'm going to my bracket manufacturer today and he'll get started soon. prob a few weeks to completion now.

Eric

ok we have 15 on the list.

GB LIST IS FULL FOR NOW.

When I get the kits completed and have a better idea of the final costs involved I will post a new price in a new thread.

if the rest of you that didn't make it onto the list want to start a list of your own just to establish a que for shipping, go right ahead.

I'm going to my bracket manufacturer today and he'll get started soon. prob a few weeks to completion now.

Eric




Am I on the list. I paid

if you paid you're on the list. that's the only way to have gotten on it. list is closed for now.

Eric

So is there any progress to report????

the bracket guy is stamping the brackets. all the hardware except 2 pieces have been received. still looking for a vendor for those 2 parts. I will be making the TPS drive shafts myself next week on a friends mill.

maybe 2 - 3 weeks now...all depends on the bracket guy...he's the one that takes forever.

Eric

just looking for an update thanks

I'm supposed to be getting the brackets this week some time but the guy hasn't even called me to proof the tool drawings yet...so, hmmm?

I will be making the TPS drive shafts this week as well. All other hardware has been purchased, sorted, and is ready to go.

Eric

nice can't wait thanks

Like Archie Bunker said: "patience is a virgin..."

Thanks again for doing this.

Best,

going to proof the brackets tomorrow. should have product by monday or tuesday.

will write most of the install instructions this weekend. anyone want to come over to be the guinea pig for the install instructions proof next week some time?

Eric

i think i can come over....i dont live far from you...what day and what time?

i think i can come over....i dont live far from you...what day and what time?

yeah I used to live in redondo beach...youre not too far. I don't know what my sched for next week is yet.

Eric

Sooooo?

Howzitgoin?

no brackets yet. sorry, guys, I'm at the mercy of my fabricator. he says they'll be at the plater by friday so maybe next week I'll start shipping.

I sure hope this goes over well. I've got a ton of time and money wrapped up in this little project...oh well it's been fun anyway.

Eric

btw, jayzx, I need to know what boot you need. 2 hole or 1.

Eric

i have a little problem with the car. i will beable to get to it on thursday to see witch one i have http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/jayzx7/Picture034.jpg

Glad we are close!

i have a little problem with the car. i will beable to get to it on thursday to see witch one i have http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/jayzx7/Picture034.jpg

Holy schnikes! Did a meteor fall on your hood? Sorry to see that!

no a dodge 3500 ram felt the need to back over me

btw, jayzx, I need to know what boot you need. 2 hole or 1.

Eric
i need the one hole thanks

bump...update?

I know this is driving me crazy too.

last week I had a huge argument with my bracket fabricator and told him that I was going to lose my customers if he didn't get my parts done soon...he's over a month behind.

so the parts are done and sitting at the platers shop waiting for me to come pick them up. I'm out of town till thursday...I'll prob pick them up thursday afternoon right after I land.

so I will be able to do the first install this weekend to verify the accuracy of the install instructions and possibly be shipping kits on monday.

we are getting close guys I promise. thanks for hanging in there!!

Eric

sweet...i know you fly a lot and might not be available..thanks for the update

sweet...i know you fly a lot and might not be available..thanks for the update

are you available this weekend for the install? if so email me your phone number to one of the email addys in my sig.

Eric

are you available this weekend for the install? if so email me your phone number to one of the email addys in my sig.

Eric

i got work on saturday at 1pm....so maybe i can go early in the morning and get it done? or how much time do you need? i can always ask to go in later..doesnt really matter to me anyways

Nice!

Can't wait!

I forgot I ordered this :)

hmm, interested, but need to get my e36 on the road first. hopefully I'll get her up and running next spring. New motor,trans.

does anybody have a problem with me shipping these kits without having done an install to check the instructions? I'm pretty sure they will be really close and there's always the phone support...it's pretty easy, I think. and then you guys could give feedback for the instructions like I did with the manifold kit instructions.

the problem is I'm on another f'ing trip this weekend and I'm outta town all next week with the wifey...so you know how that goes (no work with her).

so I'm planning on shipping as many of these kits on next friday as I can...prob all of them. if you guys are ok with that.

Thanks for hangin in there.

Eric

I am cool with it.. it should not be too tough to install... send it and I can get back to you any changes in the directions I find....

sure..shouldnt be hard to install....thanks eric

I am in for that

I concur. Please send the kits with the beta install instructions. We can make a new thread to help each other through it if need be.

We're talking about very few dollars, and I'm 100 percent comfortable with an understanding the install instuctions are not fully bakes. Hell, that's the case when I installed Ground Control RSMs and they had been on the market a long time.

Perhaps post the install instructions in the thread as a txt doc. And we can
revise/adjust as needed when somebody inserts their new toy, so to speak.

P.S. If you are discovering you blew your budget estimate on the prototypes, I will provide extra money to cover shipping. Please PM me if you want some more $ to help defray your costs.

i have no prob with it

appreciate that, Johno. no worries tho. I knew what I was getting into. I'm still in the hole but hopefully when I get these things going and (IF) people like it I can get my money back.

this is gonna be a good kit. the brackets came out looking pro. just gotta get the last couple bits of hardware figured out and they'll be on the way.

Eric

Perhaps post the install instructions in the thread as a txt doc. And we can
revise/adjust as needed when somebody inserts their new toy, so to speak.

Or email/pm them. This can't be any harder than an M50 manifold swap, and if we run into any "dead ends" it can't be any worse than running around with parts zip-tied off (as most of us are doing anyway). :)

So c'mon. I'm excited. Let's go!!

Or email/pm them. This can't be any harder than an M50 manifold swap, and if we run into any "dead ends" it can't be any worse than running around with parts zip-tied off (as most of us are doing anyway). :)

So c'mon. I'm