View Full Version : 97 m3 vs. 90's Camaro z28


m3outtanowhere
02-04-2007, 06:00 AM
I was doing 40 or so on a 2 lane road. Obviously not fast enough for the guy behind me. In a few hundred feet another lane was going to open up. I got ready for it as hes pulling around me ~1/2 throttle. I wait for our bumpers to line up. I see Z28 and hear his 5.7 pushing. I give him a quick look and a dramatic shift to WOT 2nd. I get the jump and were off. He's really trying but I hurry to third and start to pull out some lengths. End of 3rd and hes still charging. I split 2 cars in front of me (I call it "3rd laning";)). At 125 in 4th Im ~50 ft ahead. Lights come on and...

*Cue the Queen*

Another one eats my dust...dada, dum-dum- dum, chsss....another one eats my dust....dada, dum-dum- dum, chsss...





:rofl

specialk5284
02-04-2007, 02:15 PM
good kill

m3outtanowhere
02-04-2007, 02:48 PM
Anyone else surprised? I was thinking 285-305 H.p. and 3300lbs would have put up a bigger fight?

calypso
02-04-2007, 02:51 PM
Probably a beat LT1.

Reprisal
02-04-2007, 06:13 PM
Probably a beat LT1.

yeah... the LT1's aren't quite the same animal of the later camaros... good kill none the less.

savage217
02-04-2007, 06:44 PM
Are you modded?

Billythekid310
02-04-2007, 06:48 PM
i would be more surprised it it was a LS1, most likely a LT1 like said above, but good kill


i have been wanting to race a guy around atlanta with an e46 with e/i cam and spray... with spray he'd get me (i think, don't know his shot) but i wanna run him on and off bottle none the less.

stowe9man
02-04-2007, 06:52 PM
Yeah, the Z-28 with a 5 spd is a faster car than an e36 m3. It was prolly an auto that has really been beat on. Nice job nonetheless

EaglEye
02-04-2007, 08:05 PM
I vote auto LT1. At the top of your third gear, he'd be at the top of second shifting to third, which will take him all the way to his top speed of 160-whatever....basically that means third gear is extremely tall, which means you could well pull on him.

ImportFanatic
02-04-2007, 08:40 PM
Ls1 were later model f-bodies, the ones with the bubble looking headlights. Lt1's were just the early 90 fbody models and in some of the vettes and the impalas.

BavariaMotorist
02-04-2007, 09:50 PM
Um you drove between 2 cars at 125mph?


That's just dumb...in so many ways...


But yeah.

evo connevo
02-05-2007, 12:27 AM
i vote for auto lt1 as well.

JohnnyWash1
02-05-2007, 12:38 AM
Um you drove between 2 cars at 125mph?


That's just dumb...in so many ways...


But yeah.

I was about to say that. Guess what song will be playing when you crash?

m3outtanowhere
02-05-2007, 01:02 AM
Um you drove between 2 cars at 125mph?


That's just dumb...in so many ways...


But yeah.:eyecrazyNo!:devillook




It was a car and the curb;)

Spoolin'
02-05-2007, 01:10 AM
Anyone else surprised? I was thinking 285-305 H.p. and 3300lbs would have put up a bigger fight?


Well then next time you should probably look for a ls1. :confused

Jasonv8z
02-05-2007, 04:19 AM
Not suprising if it was an auto. Manual LT1s are 6 speed and would've been a tough fight. Forget about a modded Camaro. While LT1's don't have quite the potential of the LS1/LS2 engines, its still cheap and easy to get 400+ rwhp out of an LT1 without resorting to forced induction.

CVGTURBO86
02-05-2007, 04:42 AM
i would be more surprised it it was a LS1, most likely a LT1 like said above, but good kill


i have been wanting to race a guy around atlanta with an e46 with e/i cam and spray... with spray he'd get me (i think, don't know his shot) but i wanna run him on and off bottle none the less.
yeah 0boost is his license plate. he dynos like 450rwhp! he has a kill somewhere on here of him beating a C6 without spray i think...
OT- what area do you live in?

MrKevko330i
02-05-2007, 04:43 AM
Yeah, the Z-28 with a 5 spd is a faster car than an e36 m3. It was prolly an auto that has really been beat on. Nice job nonetheless

Actually the automatic LT1/LS1 Z28/SS Camaros are actually faster than the manuals. If you go on www.ls1tech.com (http://www.ls1tech.com) you'll hear more guys building there automatic camaro's for straight line racing. Its really weird but i guess those automatic Camaros are geared crazy which i know they are. Also from the research i've been reading on about even the C5 Corvettes, they even say the automatic C5 Corvettes are quicker than the manual ones but doesn't make sense to me though in my opinion.

Jasonv8z
02-05-2007, 05:37 AM
I think the autos are faster in the sense that they can put up better dragstrip times in the hands of most drivers. The autos still dyno lower than manual cars, and having only 4 gears puts them at a disadvantage on the highway.

VivaM3
02-05-2007, 12:11 PM
not all 90's Z28's have LS1's...


...nice kill nonetheless.

kronik323racer
02-05-2007, 12:28 PM
93-1997 have LT1's and 98-01/02 not sure when they stopped had LS1's.
i think the LT1 had 275hp with 324lb/tq and all i know is that the LS1 has 305hp to 325hp. records say 305hp enthusiasts seem to think its 325hp.

EaglEye
02-05-2007, 12:41 PM
An auto Camaro/Corvette/whatever may well out-ET its manual counterpart, but all else being equal, the manual car is going to trap faster and simply kick the auto's ass on the highway. Also remember that most automatic equipped Camaros and Vettes have really tall highway granny cruiser gearing(2.59[C4] and 2.73[C5/F-bods] being the most common diff ratios), so they aren't even going to get close to the same ET as a manual car. For example, an M6(manual) C5 or LS1 F-body may go 13.2 @ 108; an A4(auto) with the 2.73 gears may go 13.6 @ 103; and finally an A4 with 3.15 gears may go 13.2 @ 107, and that last one's probably being generous. From a roll, the M6 car is simply going to walk away from the automatics.

As for the LT1s, a quick M6 may go 13.4 @ 106; a 2.59/2.73 A4 13.9 @ 101; and a 3.15 A4 13.7 @ 104.

MrKevko330i
02-05-2007, 03:08 PM
An auto Camaro/Corvette/whatever may well out-ET its manual counterpart, but all else being equal, the manual car is going to trap faster and simply kick the auto's ass on the highway. Also remember that most automatic equipped Camaros and Vettes have really tall highway granny cruiser gearing(2.59[C4] and 2.73[C5/F-bods] being the most common diff ratios), so they aren't even going to get close to the same ET as a manual car. For example, an M6(manual) C5 or LS1 F-body may go 13.2 @ 108; an A4(auto) with the 2.73 gears may go 13.6 @ 103; and finally an A4 with 3.15 gears may go 13.2 @ 107, and that last one's probably being generous. From a roll, the M6 car is simply going to walk away from the automatics.

As for the LT1s, a quick M6 may go 13.4 @ 106; a 2.59/2.73 A4 13.9 @ 101; and a 3.15 A4 13.7 @ 104.


Great write up.

Deuuuce
02-05-2007, 05:13 PM
Great write up.

Except the part about passing on the shoulder. THAT is ricer!

Macht[030]
02-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Threading the needle between two cars, or between a car and the curb at 125 just might lead to a whole different kind of kill story. Please just don't take out anyone else with you.

k325is
02-09-2007, 02:27 AM
good kill....

RSF5
02-09-2007, 02:32 AM
Yeah the whole cutting between a car and the curb thing at that speed just ruins it. It was cool till it went stupid. Don't drive dangerously. You'll ruin more than just your day.

speedfreak81
02-09-2007, 10:38 AM
Only way I believe this is if it was an auto LT1 that was ragged to hell and running on 7 cylinders. My old '93 auto LT1 Z28 went 13.7@103mph STOCK....I don't see any E36 M3 going that fast. Oh and LT1 manuals are 6 speeds not 5.

iggz
02-10-2007, 11:24 AM
i have an auto 2000 Camaro SS with just an intake and exhaust alone i see 12.8-13.0s in the quarter no prob my buddy also has a stock SS however his is with the LT1..also auto.. he sees 13.2-13.5 easily... however this summer I will most likely be doing a h/c job and possibly a torque converter... however i hear cars with high stalls are such a hassle to launch properly but are absolute monsters on the highway.

OC///M3
02-10-2007, 11:42 AM
Great race, sounds like a battle!

m3chaser
02-10-2007, 12:08 PM
Only way I believe this is if it was an auto LT1 that was ragged to hell and running on 7 cylinders. My old '93 auto LT1 Z28 went 13.7@103mph STOCK....I don't see any E36 M3 going that fast. Oh and LT1 manuals are 6 speeds not 5.

you don't see any E36 M3's running 13.7's? there are plenty of M3's running those times( modded of course) . Check out karlspacklers n/a unofficial 1/4 mile thread.

My little 95 would did consistent 13.6's with 107k on the original clutch and would have done better if i had a better clutch.

Now it is my firm belief that the LT1 he raced was beat up pretty good, cause even Lt1's are faster then the E36 stock for stock. And the E36 M3 has to be modded heavily to run with a lightly modded lt1. Let's not even bring up the ls1 cause that is just not fair.