Could someone point me back to a webpage I surfed upon where I looked at a red Hartage? Googling only gave me these modern age M6’s and I definitely feel that this new car should be banished to a separate posting category as more and more of them enter the market.
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Suddenly, after 18 years of happily driving my 635, and after 3 ecstatic months with the M6, I feel the need for a 3rd car: cirrus blau <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></st1:place> 89 635, black Euro 85 M6...what next? I suppose a red car and I recently looked at an owner's photos of a Hartage modification that looked like a nice car.

Hartage vs Alpina opinions? Be forewarned, I am not a fan of Alpina wheels...

Are any of these cars available for sale? What are the best searches for cars for sale in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>?<o:p></o:p>
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there is a very low milage M1 for sale in Las Vegas and I suppose that could be considered a "step up" but if you had what i have, what would you do to complete a threesome? or foursome?

5 some Please!

Could someone point me back to a webpage I surfed upon where I looked at a red Hartage?


This one perhaps....?

http://bigcoupe.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3909

An awesome car, plenty more pics of it spread over that site. The best looking E24 I've seen that does not have a front air dam or rear spoiler.

"5 some Please!"

Sorry, but 4 doors of anything does nothing for me. A real car shoud only have 2 doors.

Seriously: if I was after a 3 car suite; would one of these be better or would I be advised to look for a good condition 6 or M6? I am so taken with the M vs the regular US 6; it sounds so much better; I'd always considered the 6 a luxe GT, but only after I got the M did I consider it a performance GT.

Well, if you have unlimited funds, I would suggest adding this to your stable:

http://www.readytofix.com/Inventory/McLaren_F1_GTR.htm

Then I would suggest inviting me over for a drive! :)

Sorry, but it has to be an E24: I've only had 4 cars in 34 years, have been driving the csi for 18 years, got the M for Christmas and hope to die with 2 or 3 more. I do not know why I did not get another sooner.

I saw a McLaren at my mechanic's when I swapped off cars; not a racing version such as this, but still the fastest street licensed car in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>? Left me cold; by the same token, after my car was delivered to the mechanic's, I called and asked Jim how it looked and he replied, "Well, umm, I guess it is one of the most aesthetically pleasing M6's I've ever seen..." - measured words spoken by someone with their head up a Ferrari’s boot...<o:p></o:p>
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A little light reading:

http://www.e-24.ru/eng/theory/gallery/e24/1367/

http://www.alpina-gemeinschaft.de/english/Untitled-FIELD.htm#

http://www.alpina-automobiles.com/cms/history/modell_historie.php?sprache=en

If money is no option I would try to hunt down a a B7 turbo coupe. Barring that a really clean euro M6 ('85) would be my second choice.:D

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I see you have an Alpina car and may have had a regular M6…differences between the two?<o:p></o:p>

I have a B7 Turbo Coupe, and a 635CSi - I've not owned that M635CSi that first turned me onto Sixers - yet. So unfortunately, I can't give you the comparison you're looking for. I can tell you that the power curves are (obviously) different. The M seems to be very linear, while the B7 has that post-turbo-lag rocket ship effect. But don't let that fool you, it's no slouch on the low end. The lowered compression ratio gives the car a bunch of torque, about 410 ft-lbs. From the factory, it came with a 3.07 rear end - very tall & a bit slow off the line. I installed a 3.73, just to play around. It leapt from a standing start, wound out gears almost instantly, and it felt like it could do a sub-12 second 1/4 mile - not bad at all for a 20 year old car that's not been rebuilt or performance-tuned. I just kept reaching for that sixth gear that my ears seemed to think I should have. ;) I'm presently building a 3.46 for track usage. With the 3.07, I've had it to 140+ on the back stretch at Sebring. It had over 1500 rpm left on the tach, but that was as far as my cojones would let me go. :D

If you keep out of the turbo, the Alpina is a very civilized car. It's suspension is quite different from the M. I think it's much better on rough roads. It's my impression that the M uses more spring force, stronger damping and heavier sway bars, leading to a harsher ride (but it IS a sports car, after all). The Alpina uses progressive springs, a softer damping with a quicker rebound and smaller sway bars, which acheives a smoother ride at in-town speeds, but can equally handle spirited driving. The car is a pure joy to drive.

The only major upgrade I've made is to the brakes. The rears, as with all stock e24's, were weaklings. I've replaced them with e34 M5/540 calipers & rotors. I didn't change the master cylinder - pedal travel increased by no more than 1/2", and I like the extra travel for modulation. The front calipers are the same as the M6. I think they may have been installed by a previous owner, as I have to use 5mm spacers in the front for clearance. I believe Alpina's calipers and rotors are offset to the inside by a smidge. I used BavAuto slotted rotors all the way around, Hawk HP+ pads, and replaced the rubber lines with steel wrapped. I've been told by a former 911 owner that it outbrakes the Porsche, but I have no basis for comparison. What I do know is that without seat belts, I could easliy send someone through the windshield.

Are you planning on attending the SE Sharkfest? I'll be there with the Alpina. Hopefully, you'll be there with your M. If you're not aware of it, go to www.bmwsharkfest.org (http://www.bmwsharkfest.org)

there is a very low milage M1 for sale in Las Vegas and I suppose that could be considered a "step up" but if you had what i have, what would you do to complete a threesome? or foursome?

could you link me to the M1?

I have a B7 Turbo Coupe, and a 635CSi - I've not owned that M635CSi that first turned me onto Sixers - yet. So unfortunately, I can't give you the comparison you're looking for. I can tell you that the power curves are (obviously) different. The M seems to be very linear, while the B7 has that post-turbo-lag rocket ship effect. But don't let that fool you, it's no slouch on the low end. The lowered compression ratio gives the car a bunch of torque, about 410 ft-lbs. From the factory, it came with a 3.07 rear end - very tall & a bit slow off the line. I installed a 3.73, just to play around. It leapt from a standing start, wound out gears almost instantly, and it felt like it could do a sub-12 second 1/4 mile - not bad at all for a 20 year old car that's not been rebuilt or performance-tuned. I just kept reaching for that sixth gear that my ears seemed to think I should have. ;) I'm presently building a 3.46 for track usage. With the 3.07, I've had it to 140+ on the back stretch at Sebring. It had over 1500 rpm left on the tach, but that was as far as my cojones would let me go. :D

If you keep out of the turbo, the Alpina is a very civilized car. It's suspension is quite different from the M. I think it's much better on rough roads. It's my impression that the M uses more spring force, stronger damping and heavier sway bars, leading to a harsher ride (but it IS a sports car, after all). The Alpina uses progressive springs, a softer damping with a quicker rebound and smaller sway bars, which acheives a smoother ride at in-town speeds, but can equally handle spirited driving. The car is a pure joy to drive.

The only major upgrade I've made is to the brakes. The rears, as with all stock e24's, were weaklings. I've replaced them with e34 M5/540 calipers & rotors. I didn't change the master cylinder - pedal travel increased by no more than 1/2", and I like the extra travel for modulation. The front calipers are the same as the M6. I think they may have been installed by a previous owner, as I have to use 5mm spacers in the front for clearance. I believe Alpina's calipers and rotors are offset to the inside by a smidge. I used BavAuto slotted rotors all the way around, Hawk HP+ pads, and replaced the rubber lines with steel wrapped. I've been told by a former 911 owner that it outbrakes the Porsche, but I have no basis for comparison. What I do know is that without seat belts, I could easliy send someone through the windshield.

Are you planning on attending the SE Sharkfest? I'll be there with the Alpina. Hopefully, you'll be there with your M. If you're not aware of it, go to www.bmwsharkfest.org (http://www.bmwsharkfest.org)


your my new hero, and i'll be at sharkfest