Hey my friend has a RX7. Since I dont have a M3 YET, I wanted to know how the E46 M3 compares to the RX7 in the 1/4 mile. Could someone, who has raced a Stock RX7 tell me about how the race went.

-thanks:D

What year RX-7 and is it a turbo or not? My friend has a '79 and I can beat him.

It is a R1, he is running the stock twins. He is not interested in racing it yet because he is still breaking in the engine.

RX - 7 - 0-60 in: 5.3 and 1/4 mile in: 13.9
E46 M3 - 0-60 in: 4.7 and 1/4 mile in: 13.4

Now these could be slow or fast depending on driver but at least a general number for you.

Originally posted by BM3W
It is a R1, he is running the stock twins. He is not interested in racing it yet because he is still breaking in the engine.

funny...rx7 owners are always getting new engines. :biglaughb

don't get me wrong...i have lotsa respect for FD's...

stock for stock m3. When modded run for the hills, rx7's are mean.

stock for stock, I believe the M3 would win, but when you mod the 7, the M better watch out. If you want more info. about RX7's, the guys at www.rx7club.com will help you out :)

Beware the rotaries! You never know what evils are hiding! Some of them are tuned very tough indeed. A big turbo on the side of a 20B triple rotor will see brisk performance on the road or strip.

I was at a track where a newer RX-7 was running 11.8 on a T-78 turbo.

No doubt, Justin! That RX-7 was straight SICK!!!

The best thing was, his license plate read: "YUL LOSE" :biglaughb

I think this guy could pretty much back it up, too!! That thing was a BEAST!!

I don't remember if he was running drag radials or slicks, or if that was on streets...

I used to own an R1 RX7 about 3 or 4 months ago I sold it for the SupraTT because the 7 simply isn't reliable enough. I think the Supra is a much more solid car.

I beat numerous E46 M3s no problem. I had intake and exhaust. They probably would have beat me if it was from a stop, but from a roll, when those turbos are spooled, you reach 120 like nothing.

RX7s are no joke. You'll have to change the motor often though, they're not too reliable, but can run massive amounts of boost because of the rotary. I will tell you this, I didn't trouble with anybody I raced:)

However, stock for stock, a 6-speed E46 should take one. But one or two mods for the 7, and he's pulling on you....

Yea, i was gonna say since i owned an Rx7 i know what they are all about. Don't let those numbers fool u. I ran a 13.7 bone stock. I never raced an E46 but i bet it would be really close. Rx7's are no joke. I sold it last year for my 95 M3 and never looked back;) I do have to admit i missed that little rocket:D

Nike178, you know what I'm talking about. Numbers are simply something written on paper. As far as the E46, I'd say it would come down to the driver, in a 6-spd E46, if it's SMG, I'd go hands down to the 7.

I do miss her, but the reliability factor was what made me sell it. I'm sure the Supra will bring me the same turbo boost pleasure she gave me.:)

Some of you guys might remember me from DTM....///95M3-R1, that was me. I had the pic with the M3 and red R1.

Yea, i remember you. How do u like the Supra. That is defenetly one of my future cars. I used to have a MKiii and loved it. The only downslide was it was toooo heavy. Anyway, ur Supra should be a tad quicker than the Rx7, right? When i had my Rx7, i was always dying to get into a race with a Supra but the day never came. I know Rx7's are bad ass but Supra's are more:eek:

:laugh

The Supra definitely feels a lot more solid. It's more stable and of course the torque feeling in the car is outstanding. Even with the auto transmission, I can tell these cars have unlimited potential. The handling is actually better than I thought it would be. It's heavier so it keeps my a$$ planted to the ground better than the 7. Overall, I'm very impressed by the car and can't wait to start modding her.

Well right now the RX7 would be faster because the Supra is an auto :( but that soon will change. I'll be swapping to manual this spring and I'll be starting with the suspension this summer....

Stock for stock, both manual, I would say the Supra. I've seen plenty run 13.4s, 13.5s. So I would say with a good driver, they can pull on an RX7 slowly but surely.


Did you have any mods on your 7? Was it an R1?

I love the RX7! I think they are the most beautiful Japanese sports car ever built, bar none. They're incredible cars and I liked how they opted to be lightweight above all (the way it should be). But damn, its so sad that the rotaries have a tendency to grenade themselves. Wasn't heat the main killer of those motors? Anyway, rotaries are so much cooler than a conventional piston type motor (in theory anyway) I just hope the new RX8's are a little more reliable. Watch out for those rotaries! They can be mean when modded!

The only good thing about the rotary is you can run ridiculous amounts of boost in them:)

Originally posted by LeVik
The only good thing about the rotary is you can run ridiculous amounts of boost in them:)

///95M3-R1 from DTM???? Hey man, it's me, Sean M3, from DTM. You sold the 7 for the Supra?!?! When did this happen? How much did you sell the 7 for if you don't mind me asking :)

Hey what's up Sean.....yeah, unfortunately, the reliability factor won over, I loved that car, but I didn't want to spend thousands of dollars buying a new engine every year. Trust me, I had my fun with that car. I had it for over 3 years, and saw everything that the car could do on the track, autoX, 1/4, course, anything.

I just thought it was time to move on, and the Supra has always been the car I wanted to get ever since I had my license. Much more solid car to work on too.

I sold the 7 for $24,5 that was my best offer. Some guy in NC bought it actually. Then I purchased the Supra for $20,7 and I'm hoping to at least get some BPU mods on it before going crazy with a single turbo, intercooler etc.


How's everything? You still interested in buying an RX7? I don't know your price range, but I would've kept it for you if you truly wanted one...

Well, I wouldn't have bought it for a few years or so. I am probably going to go with the Supra TT in a few years for the same reason, because of reliability issues. I was thinking of getting the 7 and putting the 2JZ-GTE engine in there, but LOTS of people at supraforums.com and rx7club.com said it would be EXTREMELY expensive to do that, so I thought, screw it, I will just purchase the Supra in a few years. Any pics of the Supra?

Not yet.....after I get the 35% Tint and detail it this spring, I'll take some pics and post them on here. good luck with your search.

Mine was the touring model. I didnt want the R1 because i wanted the better sterio system(even though it wasnt even that good) and i defenetly wanted leather seats. I bought that car with 33k original miles:eek: I sold it wth like 40k.

Originally posted by LeVik
. . , if it's SMG, I'd go hands down to the 7.
. ..

And what you are basing that on? You think the SMG slows the car down? I think you have it confused with an slushbox: it isn't.

,:eyes1

one word...that is very long....






boooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!


(notice how there was primary lag, then it jus kicked it---that was boost for a t66...
wait till someone posts the t88's)

I dont think that the new rx8 is turbocharged? Anyone know for sure? I knida like the styling of the rx7 and the turbo engine and it's light weight. The un-reliability issue kinda sucks though.

Originally posted by ItsNotMe
And what you are basing that on? You think the SMG slows the car down? I think you have it confused with an slushbox: it isn't.

,:eyes1



nah I don't..........but I've owned the car and I've driven 3 or 4 E46, and the RX7 will pull.......when those turbos spool you reach upper triple digits like nothing.....ask anybody who owns an RX7.

By no means am I saying an RX7 will beat an E46 easily and kill it, but it WILL indeed start pulling once you get past 110+, trust me I know. I'm judging not by numbers and stats, but from driving both cars and testing the limits of each, I know where each is capable of doing what. From stop, roll etc.

You're comparing N/A E46M3 to a turbo car. I say, give the E46 a supercharger or a turbo, then make your measures ;)

True.....but that's what we're comparing here.

If we started the thread something like, "SC or turbo E46 M3 vs. RX7"

Yeah, exactly, WHOLE different story....but that's out of the question.

But then again, all the RX7 needs is a few "little" mods.....anybody who has owned an RX7 knows what the car is capable of, it's not reliable at all, I'll be the first to tell you, but the car has balls.....

Originally posted by LeVik
nah I don't..........but I've owned the car and I've driven 3 or 4 E46, and the RX7 will pull.......when those turbos spool you reach upper triple digits like nothing.....ask anybody who owns an RX7.

By no means am I saying an RX7 will beat an E46 easily and kill it, but it WILL indeed start pulling once you get past 110+, trust me I know. I'm judging not by numbers and stats, but from driving both cars and testing the limits of each, I know where each is capable of doing what. From stop, roll etc.

I am not buying that. The e46M has nearly 80 hp on a stock Rx7. It gets to 100 nearly 3 seconds quicker- a country mile. I imagine that would only increase at speed.

Find me a credible 0-150 number on a stock RX-7 and we'll compare, though.

........from a 80mph roll or so, yes the E46 might get the jump and lead to 105-110 or so, but after that the RX7 will gain and pass it.

I would post you my 1/4 mile sheet I had doing with the R1, but I can't find it anywhere....I managed a 13.4xx@104.

Sure the M3 reaches low low 13s in the 1/4 and has around the same trap speed, but the RX7 with two turbos will gain and pull...

I'm gonna keep looking for some numbers I had for the R1 so we can talk........but I'm positive on this one.

Originally posted by ItsNotMe
I am not buying that. The e46M has nearly 80 hp on a stock Rx7. It gets to 100 nearly 3 seconds quicker- a country mile. I imagine that would only increase at speed.

Find me a credible 0-150 number on a stock RX-7 and we'll compare, though.


Yes, u are right about the 80hp adavantage but u also have to look at the weights of each vehicle. The rx7 only weighs 2800 pds at most. The M3 must weigh at least 3400 pds or so. Also, are u sure about the 3 second difference to 100?? I'm not doubting u but i would like to know where u got ur information. That is a HUGE difference. Also, there was a post about 2 months ago someone wrote up. He said that his stock rx7 was faster than his friend's stock E46 M3. Then they switched cars and the friend even admitted the rx7 felt a LITTLE quicker. Now i'm not making any judgements but that's what he said.

I didn't even see that.........3 seconds??!?!?!!? You're kidding right?

Originally posted by ajm
I dont think that the new rx8 is turbocharged? Anyone know for sure? I knida like the styling of the rx7 and the turbo engine and it's light weight. The un-reliability issue kinda sucks though.

No the new engine is not turbocharged, mazda managed to up the power almost to the twin-turbo ratings (247 hp (OUT OF 1.3L!!)) along with improving gas mileage 20 percent..there probably will not be a turbo model because the relatively cool exhaust gases from turbo rotaries prevent efficient catalytic conversion...which equals unhappy epa people

quote:
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You're comparing N/A E46M3 to a turbo car. I say, give the E46 a supercharger or a turbo, then make your measures

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They are also comparing 3.2L and 1.3L....rotary and conventional...old and new...six speed and 5 speed...2 seater and 4 seater...ahh well guess we have to do the stock E46 to stock E46 duel to make you happy.....j/k

Originally posted by LeVik
I didn't even see that.........3 seconds??!?!?!!? You're kidding right?

Wow- I was guestimating- the stats I found put it about exactly right

RX-7

0-60 5.5
0-100 14.6
0-150 46.3

RX-7 stats source (http://tuneman1.tripod.com/rx-7.html)

E46 M3 SMG

0-60 4.8
0-100 11.6
0-150 27.8



ummm, that is nearly TWENTY SECONDS faster! I know I am magazine racing, but that is a hell of a gap that test-to-test variance won't account for.

I have driven RX-7's- they are quick and feel quicker than they are because of the way they come on boost. The M3 doesn't feel as quick as it is because it has an extremely flat torque curve.


M3 SMG stats source (http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/july/200207_shorttake_m3.xml?&page=2)

Wow, i cant believe those numbers. That is almost a 20sec difference to 150. It just doesnt make sense to me. Maybe that rx7 had a boost leak:D

The RX7 stats are from a Tripod member's site. I can make my own Angelfire site and say my M3 does 0-150 in 6 seconds. Go to a credible source, like a well-known magazine and get the numbers; I bet they will be much closer

They look a little slow to me, too- just what I found. Still alot slower than an M3.

I recall the best stock RX-7 times being about 14.0@100 in the quarter- still nowhere near the M3.

I think the SOTP impression some people have is shaped by the fact that turbo cars feel faster than they are sometimes.

I'll keep lookin' - anyone else have a period piece? My wife chunked most of my old car mags.

BTW, this is not a grudge thing for me- I like both cars . . . . just trying to get clarity like the rest of you.

Originally posted by ItsNotMe
They look a little slow to me, too- just what I found. Still alot slower than an M3.

I recall the best stock RX-7 times being about 14.0@100 in the quarter- still nowhere near the M3.


Hey, just to clarify u on this... someone ran a 13.5@101 with a bone stock Rx7. I cant remember what site i saw this on but he scanned his track slip on the web page. Now this is very rare for that car. Usually, stock rx7's run about 13.8's to 13.9's. I managed a 13.7 with mine.

Originally posted by Nike178
Hey, just to clarify u on this... someone ran a 13.5@101 with a bone stock Rx7. I cant remember what site i saw this on but he scanned his track slip on the web page. Now this is very rare for that car. Usually, stock rx7's run about 13.8's to 13.9's. I managed a 13.7 with mine.

Makes sense. Stock M3's have done as well as 12.7 (at e-town- matthews on m3forum.com did it) but more commonly do 13.1-13.4.

Same deal applies, tho- E46 M3 is significantly faster stock-vs-stock. RX-7 has much more easy mod capability. And two less seats. Very different animals.

later,

One other question is at what elevation?
At sea level a stock RX-7 has no chance but the 7 loses nearly nothing as the HP of a NA car drops off.

I love the RX-7's from the mid-90's. I think they were a sharp looking car! Those and the Supras. Just love 'em both.

I'd definitely drive one!!

let's put it this way, I havn't had any problems racing any bimmers in the past and I wouldn't hessitate for a moment if I see a E46 on the street.

Yes they need a new engine every 70k-80k or so but that's only $2k for a new one and $500 - $1000 to drop it in and you'll have another 70k-80k of ass whooping fun!

And sure there are a couple of things that you'll need to do in order to keep the 7 in top shape, but with all these car forums helping me, there's really nothing that you can't perform yourself.

I've owned my 7 for 2 year and have never even lost 1 race. Have you?

my mods:
Greddy FMIC
downpipe
midpipe
Apex'i GT catback
Apex'i intake
Apex'i PFC w/ commander
RC engineering 1300cc injectors
Nippon fuel pump

http://members.aol.com/sleekfd/oneniceday7.jpg

I am in the process of buying a 98 M3 since I need a cruiser for the weekdays (4 seats)....

Originally posted by sleekfd
let's put it this way, I havn't had any problems racing any bimmers in the past and I wouldn't hessitate for a moment if I see a E46 on the street.

Yes they need a new engine every 70k-80k or so but that's only $2k for a new one and $500 - $1000 to drop it in and you'll have another 70k-80k of ass whooping fun!

And sure there are a couple of things that you'll need to do in order to keep the 7 in top shape, but with all these car forums helping me, there's really nothing that you can't perform yourself.

I've owned my 7 for 2 year and have never even lost 1 race. Have you?

my mods:
Greddy FMIC
downpipe
midpipe
Apex'i GT catback
Apex'i intake
Apex'i PFC w/ commander
RC engineering 1300cc injectors
Nippon fuel pump


I am in the process of buying a 98 M3 since I need a cruiser for the weekdays (4 seats)....

Where is Kali? Want to race a Mustang?

Originally posted by ItsNotMe
Where is Kali? Want to race a Mustang?

If I have no problems racing a E46, why would I say no to a mustang?? I'm not saying I can smoke yours but the last 5 mustangs that I raced got smoked real bad.

First off - AWESOME looking RX7 - Im not much for white cars, but that one looks good. If I was gonna go rice (sorry, couldnt resist) it would definately be with an RX7... but give it to me in black. :D

How much boost are you running?

And secondly, E46 M3's are a fun run for me... but I wouldnt go anywhere near ItsNotMe's Mustang.... :devillook

The one and only time I drove an RX-7 was after I repoed it. It was a 93, that constantly overheated. Had a 3'' exhaust, melted rear bumper (from exhaust temp) and who knows what else. That car was amazingly fast and since then I have a huge weakness for them! - just my 2cents.:cool:

Stuttgart, so everything from Japan is rice? Anyways, by the way, sleekfd, they don't necessarily have to be changed every 70-80k miles, as long as you take care of the cooling system and replace what is needed, like the hoses and whatnot. Are you a member of www.rx7club.com ? If not, I HIGHLY suggest joining it. It is a GREAT website for RX7 enthusiasts (you probably already know about it, but in case you didn't, just thought I would let you know :) ). Anyways, I LOVE RX7's!! They are right under the Supra. I like the Supra just a tad bit more because of reliability. Looks-wise, it is a VERY tough decision

Originally posted by Sean M3
Stuttgart, so everything from Japan is rice? Anyways, by the way, sleekfd, they don't necessarily have to be changed every 70-80k miles, as long as you take care of the cooling system and replace what is needed, like the hoses and whatnot. Are you a member of www.rx7club.com ? If not, I HIGHLY suggest joining it. It is a GREAT website for RX7 enthusiasts (you probably already know about it, but in case you didn't, just thought I would let you know :) ). Anyways, I LOVE RX7's!! They are right under the Supra. I like the Supra just a tad bit more because of reliability. Looks-wise, it is a VERY tough decision

thanks for the reply...

Yes I know about the rx7club, that's where I get all the info I need to perform each of the mods done to my 7. Yes I agree that you don't really need to get a new engine every 70k, but I did mine at 60k anyway just to make sure that I'll have a fresh engine with good compression ready to many mods to come.

By the way, what kind of wheels do you have on your 7? They kind of look like SSR Comps, but I could be wrong. Maybe Volks? :dunno

I've got to join the bandwagon on RX-7 fans here- great quick and good-handling car- if they came in 'vert's it'd make a great weekend car/track toy. For me, the toy car has to be a vert, tho.

later,

:atom :eyes1 :b_blue:

look like volk 's

not so sure whichones

something 37, 37k?

GT something

ahhhhhhh

yeah

Originally posted by Sean M3
Stuttgart, so everything from Japan is rice?

If youre going to troll, make it a better attempt than that... amature. ;)

been there, ate that...

I raced a BPU Rx-7 on the highway and pulled 2+ car lengths. This was when my car had only like 4k miles and the engine was sort of a "baby". Personally, these car's all depend on the turbo and their boost setting. Since it's using stock twins then he will pose less of a threat. Single turbo Rx-7's will flat out dust you. His car will more than likely be running like 10psi which you should have no problem smoking. Ofcourse, if he takes you to the twisties it will depend on driver and they do have a big advantage over the porky E46 M3.

Sean M3: The wheels are Volk Racing LE37T 18x8.5/9.5

injunfeiler: 10psi is what a stock Rx7 boosts. With just a downpipe, which 80% of them has (it's a reliability mod since it replaces the stock clogged one and dramatically reduces underhood temp), a 7 will be able to boost 11psi - 13 psi depending on the car. With mods like mine (especially the intercooler and fuel mods), I can easily boost up to 15psi without doing any damages to the engine. 1psi = approx. 27hp. You do the math.

Originally posted by injunfeller
been there, ate that...

I raced a BPU Rx-7 on the highway and pulled 2+ car lengths. This was when my car had only like 4k miles and the engine was sort of a "baby". Personally, these car's all depend on the turbo and their boost setting. Since it's using stock twins then he will pose less of a threat. Single turbo Rx-7's will flat out dust you. His car will more than likely be running like 10psi which you should have no problem smoking. Ofcourse, if he takes you to the twisties it will depend on driver and they do have a big advantage over the porky E46 M3.


BS on that one.........you did not beat one, he probably wasn't racing and you thought he was. Just with the basic mods, he will walk away from you no problem.....why can't you guys understand this?

As sleekfd said, do the math.....with just those BPU, he will pull on you allllllll the way.

I used to have an R1 RX7, some guys on here( like Sean M3) know who I am......I had intake, exhaust, downpipe,chip. I would WASTE E46s.

You guys really need to sit down and think about what a turbo is and why they are so deadly on a car that weighs less than 3000lbs....

Originally posted by LeVik
BS on that one.........you did not beat one, he probably wasn't racing and you thought he was. Just with the basic mods, he will walk away from you no problem.....why can't you guys understand this?

As sleekfd said, do the math.....with just those BPU, he will pull on you allllllll the way.

I used to have an R1 RX7, some guys on here( like Sean M3) know who I am......I had intake, exhaust, downpipe,chip. I would WASTE E46s.

You guys really need to sit down and think about what a turbo is and why they are so deadly on a car that weighs less than 3000lbs....


Agree with u 100%. There is no way that u beat an rx7 that was bpu'd. A properly running one is in the 12's. There was no way ur car beat it. He probably wasnt racing u or he was having issues with it. Later

Originally posted by LeVik
[B Just with the basic mods, he will walk away from you no problem.....why can't you guys understand this?[/B]

Because this is a BMW forum. :devillook













:D

Originally posted by sleekfd
Sean M3: The wheels are Volk Racing LE37T 18x8.5/9.5

Ya, I thought they were Volk because someone on supraforums has the same-looking wheels as yours.

I love my rx, it is by far the fastest car I have ever driven, faster than the esprit turbo or the 355's. I have a dp, cai, cb, street ported motor, upgraded clutch and an apexi computer, runs high 11's :buttrock going in for suspension work this week!

pic is me at limerock

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Because this is a BMW forum. :devillook
















:D


oh yea......oops!:)

oldm3r, how much did it cost for all those mods to your 7? Just wondering, as I am very interested in getting one in a few years

Sean, what happened? I thought you were going with the SupraTT in a couple years;)

you do relaize that the guy's RX-7 that injunfellar beat may have not know his ass from his elbows, or perhaps the car wasnt properly tuned, or well, the list goes on and on. Street racing is like that. Dont be so quick to judge.
Just trying to get everyone to play nice.


(armchair racers ;) )

Originally posted by LeVik
Sean, what happened? I thought you were going with the SupraTT in a couple years;)

I only said I am interested in getting a 7 in a few years because then he would be more apt to answer my question :) . But I still LOVE 7's, just that I prefer the Supra's reliability :D

Originally posted by Sean M3
oldm3r, how much did it cost for all those mods to your 7? Just wondering, as I am very interested in getting one in a few years


about $5k with installs, the motor rebuild and street port was $3000 alone.

Originally posted by oldM3r
about $5k with installs, the motor rebuild and street port was $3000 alone.

So besides the motor rebuild, everything else costed $2000 with install? Also, what does it mean by street-ported? Thanks

Seriously... anything can happen in a street race, so I don't think it's always necessary to call BS. If someone's just reporting what happened, why is it necessary to give them grief, just because it isn't in line with what you believe should happen?

Missed gears, car running poorly, bad start, etc, etc, etc...

Any number of factors could lead to an "upset" victory. Just congratulate them and move on. It's not life or death, nor is it anyone's JOB to point out stories that seem unlikely. Just take it for what it's worth... entertainment.

Originally posted by Sean M3
So besides the motor rebuild, everything else costed $2000 with install? Also, what does it mean by street-ported? Thanks


Street port is basically porting and polishing the intake and exhaust parts of the engine, making them bigger and smoother to airflow, allows the engine to breath better. It is pretty easy to do when you rebuild the engine.

The other parts are pretty plug and play, altough the computer does require some tuning. The dp and cb are like $600 total, the CAI I bought used for $200 and the computer was around a grand.

oldM3, did I ever tell you about the RX-7 at the track that me and my brother saw that was running 11.7's? It was sick. And his license plate read:

"YUL LOSE" :biglaughb

Originally posted by sticky2
stock for stock m3. When modded run for the hills, rx7's are mean.

when done correctly those things can be just plain vicious and laugh at other cars like little school girls laugh at the powerpuff girls

yeah low 11's high 10's on twins is about the best one can hope for. but get a single turbo setup and watch out.

oldM3r, what is a cb? Also, the reason people's engines don't last that long is because of the cooling system, correct? I surf the forums of rx7club.com sometimes, and someone said the cooling system is the problem, and that hoses, vacuums, and whatnot have to be replaced if you want the car to last 110k miles or so. Is that true? I am so torn between an RX7 or Supra TT in 5 years or so. I am leaning towards the Supra though because it's engine is bulletproof and so damn reliable. I was also thinking of getting a late model 240SX and doing the SR20-DET engine swap into it from the S15 Silvia, but that will only happen if plans with the Supra don't go well. Anyways, your car is badass. Got any more pics of it?

Sean M3, get the Supra. The rx7 is a very delicate car and far from bulletproof. You are correct about the cooling system. They are shitty. Also, the reason why the engines blow is because people mod it without thinking about running more fuel. Rotaries cant handle lean conditions.

Originally posted by Sean M3
oldM3r, what is a cb? Also, the reason people's engines don't last that long is because of the cooling system, correct? I surf the forums of rx7club.com sometimes, and someone said the cooling system is the problem, and that hoses, vacuums, and whatnot have to be replaced if you want the car to last 110k miles or so. Is that true? I am so torn between an RX7 or Supra TT in 5 years or so. I am leaning towards the Supra though because it's engine is bulletproof and so damn reliable. I was also thinking of getting a late model 240SX and doing the SR20-DET engine swap into it from the S15 Silvia, but that will only happen if plans with the Supra don't go well. Anyways, your car is badass. Got any more pics of it?

the reason why the cooling system in the rx7 need more maintenance is because the rotary engine produces tremendous amount of heat even without a turbo. What you need to do is to change ALL of the coolant hoses and the vaccum hoses for the turbo control system every 60k or so as they get brittle and hard making it prone to leakage. Parts will run you around $200 for all the hoses and a piece of cake to do if you have the shop manual. No big deal.

Supras are cool if what you want is a lexus on steroids.

sleekfd, you're a member on rx7club.com, correct? If I remember correctly, I think I have seen you post some things over there

Originally posted by Sean M3
sleekfd, you're a member on rx7club.com, correct? If I remember correctly, I think I have seen you post some things over there

my sn is DRAG0NEER with a zero instead of an O over there.

Originally posted by Sean M3
oldM3r, what is a cb? Also, the reason people's engines don't last that long is because of the cooling system, correct? I surf the forums of rx7club.com sometimes, and someone said the cooling system is the problem, and that hoses, vacuums, and whatnot have to be replaced if you want the car to last 110k miles or so. Is that true? I am so torn between an RX7 or Supra TT in 5 years or so. I am leaning towards the Supra though because it's engine is bulletproof and so damn reliable. I was also thinking of getting a late model 240SX and doing the SR20-DET engine swap into it from the S15 Silvia, but that will only happen if plans with the Supra don't go well. Anyways, your car is badass. Got any more pics of it?

Yeap heat is the enemy, basically all you need to do is replace the radiator and make sure you are running silicone hoses and you are fine. Also the stock Downpipe tends to clog and generated HUGE amounts of heat, therefore most people replace them with a DP without a precat. With a DP and upgraded radiator my FD ran water temp never got above or even close to half on a track day at limerock.

Oh a CB is cat back.

Originally posted by sleekfd
the reason why the cooling system in the rx7 need more maintenance is because the rotary engine produces tremendous amount of heat even without a turbo. What you need to do is to change ALL of the coolant hoses and the vaccum hoses for the turbo control system every 60k or so as they get brittle and hard making it prone to leakage. Parts will run you around $200 for all the hoses and a piece of cake to do if you have the shop manual. No big deal.

Supras are cool if what you want is a lexus on steroids.


Are you kidding me? Lexus on steroids? I had an R1 RX7 a couple months back, that thing was fast and could handle tremendously.

Sure it can be modded to hell, but the engines just aren't reliable. Yes, with a rotary you can run insane amounts of boost, but the engine is a piece of shit, bottom line. That's the main reason why I sold it. I want something a bit more reliable, like the Supra, and still be able to run 1.5+bar in it

But calling a Supra a "lexus on steroids" is just out of line...I've had an RX7, I know what the car is capable of, but don't go downing the Supra, cause everybody will disagree with you about the potential and power they can achieve...

Damn, LeViK, now I am back to my same spot I was a few months ago: RX7 or Supra?!?!?! These guys are telling me that all you really have to do is upgrade the cooling system, and then you have yourself an engine that may last 115k miles or so. RX7's are cheaper than Supra right now. Hopefully it will be the other way around 5 years from now. Well, I am still siding with the Supra right now, unless someone can put up a good argument as to why I should choose the 7 over the Supra :)

Dont get the rx7 if u have the money to get the supra. Yes they cost more, but worth the xtra money. Even if u upgrade the cooling system, they still tend to get boost leaks. Also, the interior peels on the 93's and they all rattle.

Sean, it's really up to you. Like Nike178 said, if you have the money, get the Supra. Personally, I like the solid aspect of the Supra better, it's like you're actually planted on the ground, rather than bouncing all over the place and feeling not comfortable.

You and I both know you're gonna end up getting the Supra;)

Before I did my manifold, pullies, and TB. I raced an RX-7. It was probably stock, but my E36 hung with him really well. He was beating me but couldn't even pull a full car on me. I stayed right on his back bumper, but with a little work I sure he would blow me away. But yes I have raced an RX-7, and yes he beat me, but not by much....

Boost leaks what are you talking about, the rotory can be made to be bomb proof. talking about reliability issues cause other things break is like saying the e36 engine is a pos because you need a rebuild if the plastic impellar on the water pump goes.

Sure get a supra they are heavy and tend to handle like they are heavy. Bottom line is do not buy an rx7 unless you are willing to put some serious $$ into making it reliable.

Originally posted by oldM3r
Boost leaks what are you talking about, the rotory can be made to be bomb proof. talking about reliability issues cause other things break is like saying the e36 engine is a pos because you need a rebuild if the plastic impellar on the water pump goes.




Go on the rx7forum and i bet at least 5/10 people u talk to have boosting problems. Now go on the supraforum and i bet 9/10 DONT have any boosting problems. Hands down, the supra is a way better car.

listen the deal is with a super car (the supra and the rx imho are in that category) if you mod it and beat on it something is going to break! Also i would argue that the 5/10 people who have boost leaks are younger drivers who abuse the cars and did not FIX them right in the first place, helf the drivers have things rigged rather than installed professionally. Also I think, while putting a single turbo on them is cool for dragging, it causes way more problems then making sure your stock (or modded) twins are maintained properly.

Originally posted by LeVik
Are you kidding me? Lexus on steroids? I had an R1 RX7 a couple months back, that thing was fast and could handle tremendously.

Sure it can be modded to hell, but the engines just aren't reliable. Yes, with a rotary you can run insane amounts of boost, but the engine is a piece of shit, bottom line. That's the main reason why I sold it. I want something a bit more reliable, like the Supra, and still be able to run 1.5+bar in it

But calling a Supra a "lexus on steroids" is just out of line...I've had an RX7, I know what the car is capable of, but don't go downing the Supra, cause everybody will disagree with you about the potential and power they can achieve...

the rotary engine is a piece of shit?? Well, you're wrong! Mazda was the ONLY car company from Japan who have actually won the 1991 24 hours LeMans with the 787B. Guess what? The 787B had a rotary engine in it. Second place was 3 laps behind. And you know what? The NA rotary engines can go up to 500k without needing a rebuilt. Call the Rotary engines POSs is just nonsense.

I apologize for calling the Supra a lexus on steroids. But does the IS300 & the GS300 have a supra engine in them? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Nike178
Dont get the rx7 if u have the money to get the supra. Yes they cost more, but worth the xtra money. Even if u upgrade the cooling system, they still tend to get boost leaks. Also, the interior peels on the 93's and they all rattle.

Boost leak? Ya if you don't know what you're doing and don't know what you should be looking for...

Boost leaks are usually due to cracks on the factory accordian style air intake pipes, the couplers and the intercooler pipes. If you replace those with hard intake pipes, silicone couplers, and an aftermarket intercooler with hard pipes, there will be no more boost leaks. These are just bpu upgrades that majority of the turbo enthusiasts would do to their cars anyways. Plus it adds a lot of bling bling under your hood if you get them polished.

So to sum it up if you don't do sh*t to a 8-10 year old turbo rotary, you will encounter some problems just like any other cars. The thing with the Rx7 is you need to treat it like a girlfriend. Treat her good and she'll do the same. But if you're lazy or not mechanically inclined, then yeah, the 7 is definitely not for you. Get a toyota or a honda in that case.

Just trying to keep it real that's all.

another reason to not get a supra is that I simply can't justify buying a 35 thousands dollar used (5-10 years old) when you could've gotten it for 38 new.

Bottom line guys:

Both cars are awesome and fast! I love RX7s, one of my favorite cars out there, and Supras are just unbelievable to me. Let's just leave it at that, I don't wanna make this longer....I'm out.

oh BTW, I paid 21,7 for the Supra and it has 24K and it's a 98. Not bad huh? :)

GREAT GREAT price Levik....get that thing modded so I can run against you, I'm curious to see how I would do ...... when I was looking about 1 year ago, they were around $30-40K for a 1997 or newer model.

BTW - the supra is a Lexus on steroids. The SC300 platform is the same as the supra's was. Hence, the reason you can drop the 2JZ engine in it; plus, you can do a similar swap with the GS300 as well (pre-1998).

James,
What car do you have and are you in the 600+ club?:)

Call the Supra what you please, but when you see my tail, just remember I'm a Lexus on Steroids;)

What is the 600 club...; hopefully I could give you a good run, unless you decide to go with a T78 -- then its lights out for me ....
don't underestimate the power of rocking back and forth in your seat....hehehe....

Hey -- I would take it as a compliment, lexus on steroids....the supra was ahead of its time when it came out....and still is.... to bad the old man at Toyota died, otherwise the next gen supra would have been KICK-ASS....he was a major speed junkie, only reason the U.S. even saw the 320 hp car....the rest of toyota wanted to can that idea....

He actually had a prototype supra that was around 500 hp back in 1998; but, I guess they've shelved that idea....

Actually I was gonna go with the T88:) but I think the T78 will do with some other BPUs, I think I'll be set. Set of nice tires, I'm done.

But I always go suspension first, so it'll be a while before I start buying performance.

Hey Levik, do you think the kits at www.suprastore.com are priced good? I was talking to someone else, and he said a few of them are really good prices, but the 800and 900 HP kit are just decently priced. Also, the difference between the T-78 and T-88 is that the T-88 is bigger, correct?