GC has inserts for the rear lower shock attachment points that they have been selling to Prepared class guys since last year.

Are these replacement bushings non-spherical, hence making them "legal" in Prepared??

Thanks,

James Posig
JMT TrackCars
#231 GTS 2

Are these replacement bushings non-spherical, hence making them "legal" in Prepared??

Thanks,

James Posig
JMT TrackCars
#231 GTS 2

Yes, they are bushings with a metal shaft down the middle. They look a lot like mini powerflex RTAB bushings. The ADs I picked up recently have them installed.

Yes, they are bushings with a metal shaft down the middle. They look a lot like mini powerflex RTAB bushings. The ADs I picked up recently have them installed.

Thanks for the info, Mine are at GC right now getting refreshed. I'll have them put in a set.

I bet you can’t guess who Jay made the first set for…..

so the "stock" bearing the AD's come with are considered illegal?

I bet you can’t guess who Jay made the first set for…..

Probably that guy Randy who cheats all the time to win. :devillook :stickoutt

Probably that guy Randy who cheats all the time to win. :devillook :stickoutt

And don't forget he has a history of bad on track behavior :devillook

bah, that guy's a hack! :D

I guess this is one of those "inside jokes" lol

I bet you can’t guess who Jay made the first set for…..



LOL. :lol

Yea, Randy is a liar too, he did that on purpose to loose the I/P Championship,
he don't need no stinkin' trophy :)

James Posig
JMT TrackCars
#231 GTS 2

And don't forget he has a history of bad on track behavior :devillook

Menace indeed!

"I can't believe I shook his freakin' hand."
- Dino Ciccarelli

I heard he carries extra body parts to all the races. Just in case?

3.2M3? Blast from the past, Jay that you?

Which Jay?

I heard he carries extra body parts to all the races. Just in case?

Ha. I didn't even know you had an account. Welcome aboard. :D

Ha. I didn't even know you had an account. Welcome aboard. :D

whew, glad i haven't been talking crap about him on here... :D

he's been lurking for a while...

GC has inserts for the rear lower shock attachment points that they have been selling to Prepared class guys since last year.

hook it up son. ;)

I thought I ordered a set last week and they sent me the wrong item. I talked to Mike at AD today and he was unaware of the problem, but said he could make some up. Does anyone actually have these in hand yet?

I thought I ordered a set last week and they sent me the wrong item. I talked to Mike at AD today and he was unaware of the problem, but said he could make some up. Does anyone actually have these in hand yet?


No, not yet - what kind of cost were you quoted? Unless the clarification changes - I need the parts too.

-Tom

Bushings are in stock.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=734/CA=104

Jay, I love it!

" Designed to completely, unequivocally, and clearly satisfy all interpretations of the BMWCCA rulebook as of 01/18/07.

Disclaimer: Future interpretations, allowances and exceptions may not be satisfied by a static racecar part in an ever-changing world.

Fits Advance Design only, please do not try to fit to other shocks. You could be seriously injured, maimed, or made fun of (while you are asleep) on bimmerforums.com"

Jay, I love it!

" Designed to completely, unequivocally, and clearly satisfy all interpretations of the BMWCCA rulebook as of 01/18/07.

Disclaimer: Future interpretations, allowances and exceptions may not be satisfied by a static racecar part in an ever-changing world.

Fits Advance Design only, please do not try to fit to other shocks. You could be seriously injured, maimed, or made fun of (while you are asleep) on bimmerforums.com"

:lol It's also called an "anti-injectorgate bushing".

Neil

The fender roller was still the funniest of all time.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=657

quantity = 1, Is for one shock or the rear pair?

I bet you can’t guess who Jay made the first set for…..

yeah i can...Me....3 years ago.

quantity = 1, Is for one shock or the rear pair?

Pair !!!!!

Pair !!!!!

:(

thanks jay

Mine are on the way. Thanks, Jay

Jay

I predict that a future update of the rules will make the spherical lower shock mounts legal ...


amhik,

or better yet, just look it up!
http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/static/ForTheRacer/rules_2007_v12-2_070119.pdf (green highlighting is new stuff and incorporates recent clarifications)

Hallelujah!

And, Thanks!!!

Jay

"I. Suspension bushing materials are free (other than upper front shock
mounts - see B). Spherical bearings are not allowed. Rear shock
absorbers which are originally equipped from their manufacturer with
spherical bearings in their lower connection may be used."


WOOT WOOT!

good, i guess??:rolleyes

For sale: delrin lower shock mounts, installed at Ground Control last Wed. while my shocks were being refreshed. ZERO MILES. Will make great set of paper weights or cufflinks:confused . Best offer.

Craig

For sale: delrin lower shock mounts, installed at Ground Control last Wed. while my shocks were being refreshed. ZERO MILES. Will make great set of paper weights or cufflinks:confused . Best offer.

Craig

Those are so Yesterday......:D

Another rules change, ah, "clarification", du jour. What's a hundred bucks here or a hundred bucks there, right???

James Posig
JMT TrackCars
#231 GTS 2

Well, glad I didn't bother to comply with that one. :confused

HAHA, this is hilarious!

From the Prepared Suspension Section:
G. Suspension bushing material is free. Bushing material does not include
replacement of bushings with spherical bearings or rod ends such as
Heim ends. Solid bushings are allowed if they are fixed in place and
allow rotation only in a single plane or axis. Spherical bearing type front
upper strut mounts are allowed. Spherical bearing type upper rear
strut/shock mounts are not allowed. Sway bar link connectors are free.
Replacement rear lower control arms which include spherical bearings
are not allowed.

The change was made in the Stock Class suspension section, which would apply to the Prepared rules, but no change was made in the Prepared Section.
Oversight?
Joel

Good reading! HAHA, the hilarity continues!!!

From the Prepared Suspension Section:
G. Suspension bushing material is free. Bushing material does not include
replacement of bushings with spherical bearings or rod ends such as
Heim ends. Solid bushings are allowed if they are fixed in place and
allow rotation only in a single plane or axis. Spherical bearing type front
upper strut mounts are allowed. Spherical bearing type upper rear
strut/shock mounts are not allowed. Sway bar link connectors are free.
Replacement rear lower control arms which include spherical bearings
are not allowed.

The change was made in the Stock Class suspension section, which would apply to the Prepared rules, but no change was made in the Prepared Section.
Oversight?
Joel



From the Preface section of the rules under the Prepared section:

"All Stock class improvements are also allowed in the Prepared classes."

So if you can do it in stock it automatically is allowed in prepared, mod, supermod etc. Why restate it?
Putting it in under Stock was the place to write that if the intention was to allow it everywhere (except Spec E36
that has it's own spec suspension).

-Carlos.

From the Preface section of the rules under the Prepared section:

"All Stock class improvements are also allowed in the Prepared classes."

So if you can do it in stock it automatically is allowed in prepared. Why restate it?

-Carlos.
Carlos,
See the statement in bold? Contridicts the statement in the Stock section.
Joel

For sale: delrin lower shock mounts, installed at Ground Control last Wed. while my shocks were being refreshed. ZERO MILES. Will make great set of paper weights or cufflinks:confused . Best offer.

Craig


I'll have a matching set available as soon as they arrive in the mail. Timing is everything ;)

Jay

Carlos,
See the statement in bold? Contridicts the statement in the Stock section.
Joel

The section in prepared is about UPPER rear shock mounts. The wording in stock is for rear Shocks with spherical bearings in their lower mounts. It can be confusing. Though if they allow the lowers I think they should allow the uppers.....

What is cheaper? A NASA license or dumbing down your race suspension?

What is cheaper? A NASA license or dumbing down your race suspension?

Get rid of your rookie X and we'll go find some NASA races!

Can't tell if it is the Rules Clarification Committee or Randy's Appeal. I will let you decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

:devillook

No offense Jack and Carlos! All in good fun. This thread just reminded me of it.

Racing in 3 weeks!!

Can't tell if it is the Rules Clarification Committee or Randy's Appeal. I will let you decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

:devillook

No offense Jack and Carlos! All in good fun. This thread just reminded me of it.

Racing in 3 weeks!!

I've always wanted to watch that skit, thanks. :D Why would I get offended, I'm in this to have fun. If you're not having fun what's the point?
The arguing is part of the fun. :stickoutt

Now isn't there an abuse clinic sketch from Monty Python? I'll have to look that one up...

-Carlos.

so who has to cry enough to get a rule changed? or a clarification reversed. The wiring harness issue in prepared should be readdressed.

One thing i don't understand, it seems that they are shaping prepared rules to disallow use on spherical bearings. If thats so, stay consistent, make so you can't use them anywhere. Upper, lower rear shock mountings, front camber plate, sway bar link, remove them all. I would just like to see some consistency.

so who has to cry enough to get a rule changed? or a clarification reversed. The wiring harness issue in prepared should be readdressed.

One thing i don't understand, it seems that they are shaping prepared rules to disallow use on spherical bearings. If thats so, stay consistent, make so you can't use them anywhere. Upper, lower rear shock mountings, front camber plate, sway bar link, remove them all. I would just like to see some consistency.

Then please readdress it before I put my car back together from getting a new cage. I left all the harnesses intact, but would love to remove the rest of the unnecessary wiring of which there is a lot.

I also agree with Sean, either we can run sphericals or we can't. Because someone bought a shock that uses them they get to keep them, while other have to remove their perfectly good upper RSM with sphericals that came that way. Some things just don't make alot of sense.

The section in prepared is about UPPER rear shock mounts. The wording in stock is for rear Shocks with spherical bearings in their lower mounts. It can be confusing. Though if they allow the lowers I think they should allow the uppers.....
Got it. Doh!

"19. Statement of Interpretation
A. If differing interpretations are possible, a specific rule will prevail over a
general rule. For example, a rule may state "no changes giving a
competitive advantage may be made" (general rule) versus "Accusumps
are permitted" (specific rule). Even though some may argue that
Accusumps give a competitive advantage the specific rule will prevail
over the general rule."

Does that change anything?