And to be honest, when I drove the EVO before we matched them up, I was surprised that my M3 was able to sit right next to it for the duration of the contest.

Video II: 97 M3 v EVO 9 MR (http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/stuff/FraserEVO.wmv) 10 MB

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n87/InfraRed331/MRsig.jpg

My friend John came out for the weekend, and brought his new EVO IX MR. I can honestly say that I was surprised at how well my M3 fought it off. I drove the EVO, and it felt a lot faster than my car, with very little turbo lag, but whenever we lined them up (usually from a roll starting high in 2nd gear), we always ended up pretty much even. During various parts of the run I would gain a little ground, and then lose it as the MR pulled ahead, but then I would get whatever I lost back - at the end of every contest, we were sitting almost exactly where we started, side by side.

John's MR has an exhaust. That's it. And it's fast. With the coming planned upgrades there will be no way my car will be able to compete in an acceleration contest, so I am glad that I got a run out of the way where I did not get blown off the highway. :rofl2

I'd say you did pretty well, what are your mods though?

I've gotta laugh at how the EVO driver looked as you guys were running the gears - you woulda thought he was cruising on the interstate listening to classical music in a trance. :stickoutt

very nice man

Thanks man!

I'd say you did pretty well, what are your mods though?



IP race engine with Sunbelt cams - The last dyno it ran 256 whp and 234 tq. Nothing special, but what that dyno doesn't show is how quickly the engine spools given the lightweight internals. The 3.64 gear helps too. :)

I am very impressed with the MR. I don't know if that car just responds very well to mods, but I had a harder time with the MR with just an exhaust that with some lightly-modified E46 M3s that I have encountered. :buttrock

your friend driving the EVO looks very very bored. did he know you guys were racing? lol

your friend driving the EVO looks very very bored. did he know you guys were racing? lol

That's his Pimp Face. I think it was a counterpoint to Holmes in the passenger seat flipping us off. :D

Good race. Just wait until he gets a boost controller and a tune then it will be a whole new ballgame. He should be in the area of 330-350 whp after that.

:( And to be honest, when I drove the EVO before we matched them up, I was surprised that my M3 was able to sit right next to it for the duration of the contest.

Video II: 97 M3 v EVO 9 MR (http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/stuff/FraserEVO.wmv) 10 MB

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n87/InfraRed331/MRsig.jpg

My friend John came out for the weekend, and brought his new EVO IX MR. I can honestly say that I was surprised at how well my M3 fought it off. I drove the EVO, and it felt a lot faster than my car, with very little turbo lag, but whenever we lined them up (usually from a roll starting high in 2nd gear), we always ended up pretty much even. During various parts of the run I would gain a little ground, and then lose it as the MR pulled ahead, but then I would get whatever I lost back - at the end of every contest, we were sitting almost exactly where we started, side by side.

John's MR has an exhaust. That's it. And it's fast. With the coming planned upgrades there will be no way my car will be able to compete in an acceleration contest, so I am glad that I got a run out of the way where I did not get blown off the highway. :rofl2

with all the hype about evos i would of thought he would have pulled on ya. now i wish i would have saved up for the e36 m3 :(

Good race. Just wait until he gets a boost controller and a tune then it will be a whole new ballgame. He should be in the area of 330-350 whp after that.


No doubt. I wil say this -With all of the talk about the EVOS falling on their faces as speeds climb, I will personally attest that this example did nothing of the sort. The only thing I noticed as the speeds climbed way over 100 mph was that we stopped trading spots back and forth and sat right where we were for the remainder of the run.

The car moves. :buttrock

:(

with all the hype about evos i would of thought he would have pulled on ya. now i wish i would have saved up for the e36 m3 :(

Without this summer's engine swap, I would have had no chance whatsoever against the MR. Not a snowball's chance in hell. :dunno

Nice race man, your videos are always quality, not shaky at all.

That's his Pimp Face. I think it was a counterpoint to Holmes in the passenger seat flipping us off. :D


:lol

Good run, Chris.

My Evo is my first turbo car and I thought it was kind of "so-so" out of the box, but that cheap taiwanese-bent 3" turb-back exhaust I bolted-on turned the kill mode on. It made such a big difference that I still haven't upped the boost or got a tune with it yet (year and a half later). After owning bimmers, I'm still in shock how things are different on the F/I side of things. Making power this easy kinda takes the fun out of it....kinda..

Your M has always been one of my favorites. It's one of a kind and now has some serious nutz with the IP engine. If you ever plan on selling it, let me know so I can total out my evo and get an insurance check.:)

2 cars ago, I was driving a 350z. I raced an EVO - rolling start on the highway at 70.

The EVO ran on my rear bumper from 70 to 120 with no signs of struggle and at 120, I pulled into another lane and took my foot off the throttle - he kept accelerating.

Dunno if this EVO was stock, but it had balls

your friend driving the EVO looks very very bored. did he know you guys were racing? lol

lol seriously, he looks like he's day dreaming haha :D

nice vid chris as always :)

The evos are SO fast, but CMT, i would take your beauty of a car any day over an EVO. So classy and clean.

Op's car is far from stock so don't let this make you think that if you have an M3 that you can hang witout FI.

OP, your car is sick and sounds mean!

:(

with all the hype about evos i would of thought he would have pulled on ya. now i wish i would have saved up for the e36 m3 :(




Good run to the OP.....as for hype about evos, you do realize it's a modded E36 vs a pretty much stock Evo?



On a side note I checked out every page of your link to the build, very impressive and with any modding there will be issues I have had more than a few with mine. My baby was down for like 5 months but I am more than happy with the outcome as I am sure you are too!

Good race. Just wait until he gets a boost controller and a tune then it will be a whole new ballgame. He should be in the area of 330-350 whp after that.

And just wait till the M3 gets a turbo and nitrious and........

:evil2

yea i have decently quick M3 and i am pretty sure that CMT's M3 would rape me on the highway.

Great vid bro and your friend in the Evo looked hilarious! Is it possible for you to go FI with that race engine?

love your M , what wheels are those, the EVO looks like a box next to your car.

quality video same as the other ones...man your M sounds incredible, nice run! Yeah and the evo driver has a wicked chilled out look whilst doing i can only assume triple digit speeds! :lol

:(

with all the hype about evos i would of thought he would have pulled on ya. now i wish i would have saved up for the e36 m3 :(

You DO realize that the OP's E36 M is capable of pulling on stock E46 M's right?

Very nice run! You hung in their very nicely.

Thanks for the good press guys! It should be noted that this particular EVO owner gave up his 04 M3 with some good modifications:

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/Bavauto/b10.jpg

for the Mitsu because he knew it was the only way to make the kind of power he demanded. Now, personally, I would not have made this decision, but I am also not adamant about having 56,867 wheel horsepower either.

And that's about the number that's going to make this dude happy at this point. :D

Nice race man, your videos are always quality, not shaky at all.

Thanks! It was recorded with the new Canon HD camera by a friend. He did a great job!

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/Bavauto/HDV.jpg


:lol

Good run, Chris.

My Evo is my first turbo car and I thought it was kind of "so-so" out of the box, but that cheap taiwanese-bent 3" turb-back exhaust I bolted-on turned the kill mode on. It made such a big difference that I still haven't upped the boost or got a tune with it yet (year and a half later). After owning bimmers, I'm still in shock how things are different on the F/I side of things. Making power this easy kinda takes the fun out of it....kinda..

Your M has always been one of my favorites. It's one of a kind and now has some serious nutz with the IP engine. If you ever plan on selling it, let me know so I can total out my evo and get an insurance check.:)

My main man! I hope the Holidays are treating you well. I am avoiding a new car purchase because I know the next one is going to be a turbo, and it's also going to have a Porsche crest on it. As I put those two together, and the reality of that expense really hit home.....I decided to wait it out a bit and stick with what I got. Go home with who I "brung," so to speak, and upgrade the E36 as the BPG IP engine became available at the right time. The only downfall to this is that because I will never go FI on the M3, I am stuck with very specific NA mods that are marginal upgrades at best in relation to what can be done with a turbo.

But so be it. It will make the final turbo aquisition that much sweeter in the long run, and barring some unforseen accident slouching its way towards me on the unexpected tip, I will never get rid of the M3. Hell, I may just have them bury me in it!


Good run to the OP.....as for hype about evos, you do realize it's a modded E36 vs a pretty much stock Evo?

On a side note I checked out every page of your link to the build, very impressive and with any modding there will be issues I have had more than a few with mine. My baby was down for like 5 months but I am more than happy with the outcome as I am sure you are too!

Thanks man. Appreciate it. I was lucky - I had a shop that I trusted 100% performing the work, and that basically held my hand the entire way through the installation process. It helped that the BPG (http://www.bavarianperformancegroup.com) owners are also among my good friends, but in the end I know they give this same treatment to all of their customers. It's tough when all you hear about are horror stories when it comes to these kinds of custom jobs, but in the end mine was a simple swap and cam install - the engine was already built for their IP car - so it wasn't too serious, and their mechanics can do that swap in their sleep at this point. :D

Also, right back atcha on your monster, mon frere. Your car must be one hell of a good time!

yea i have decently quick M3 and i am pretty sure that CMT's M3 would rape me on the highway.

Great vid bro and your friend in the Evo looked hilarious! Is it possible for you to go FI with that race engine?

Yes. I am told this thing will respond very well to FI if I remove the Sunbelt OBDII cams and choose cams with less overlap. But I love this car too much to go FI - It opens up a potential world of headaches, including the very real and scary boost addiction that I want nothing to do with. And God love those currently suffering from this disease. Or should I say "God HELP them!"

:D


love your M , what wheels are those, the EVO looks like a box next to your car.

My wheels are HRE 547s in the stock staggered sizes, custom powdercoated by RimPRO in BMW OEM Chrome Shadow.

This guy is a class act! Good luck with the car!

Thanks man! You as well - Happy Holidays!

Awesome car to OP. Awesome red e46 to your friend. And nice run!

My wheels are HRE 547s in the stock staggered sizes, custom powdercoated by RimPRO in BMW OEM Chrome Shadow.

You need to put that in your sig already :D. Everytime you post in a thread I see someone ask.

This guy is a class act! Good luck with the car!


Chris writes the best stories (especially back in the DTMpower glory days).

One thing that I have noticed, though, is that he has tapered down on the references to Southpark in his threads. :(

Happy Holidays, Dude. :)

Good video as always, man!

But I love this car too much to go FI - It opens up a potential world of headaches, including the very real and scary boost addiction that I want nothing to do with. And God love those currently suffering from this disease. Or should I say "God HELP them!"

I couldn't agree with you more. I never understood why people try to turn an engine designed for NA purposes into an FI one. :dunno I see more headaches and A LOT of wasted $$ in the process.:nono

I too wanted boost so I bought another car. It was cheaper for me to do this and a better investment.:buttrock

Anyway, can't wait to see the next video! :)


EDIT: Wow, all he has was an exhaust? :eek:

Awesome car and race. Can someone post a link or give a brief explanation of what an ip race engine has? I am just curious.

Awesome car and race. Can someone post a link or give a brief explanation of what an ip race engine has? I am just curious.

It's powered by dead babies.

Awesome car. Very throaty intake noise.

Awesome car and race. Can someone post a link or give a brief explanation of what an ip race engine has? I am just curious.Click on CMTs sig stuff...

I want a race even with my analdribbling clutch

Nice video.

The m3 sounds soo good, does the evo just have a catback b/c I couldn't really hear the evo over the m3.

So you dont even have any bolt ons such as hfm, or intake? It soundedlike you had an intake but I thought I read in your sig that it had everything stock besides the internals of course.

You need to put that in your sig already :D. Everytime you post in a thread I see someone ask.

Good call!

Chris writes the best stories (especially back in the dtm power glory days).

One thing that I have noticed, though, is that he has tapered down on the references to Southpark in his threads. :(

Happy Holidays, Dude. :)

Yeah whateva, whateva - I do what I want!!! :buttrock


I couldn't agree with you more. I never understood why people try to turn an engine designed for NA purposes into an FI one. I see more headaches and A LOT of wasted $$ in the process.

I too wanted boost so I bought another car. It was cheaper for me to do this and a better investment.

Anyway, can't wait to see the next video!


EDIT: Wow, all he has was an exhaust?


We definitely agree on the turbo issue man. And yeah, it had an exhaust. That's it. Scary stuff! :D

Click on CMTs sig stuff...

I want a race even with my analdribbling clutch

I never really looked at the mods in your signature until this thread was made, and I'm not so sure I really have a chance. Unless the EVO IX MR is substantially faster, stock for stock, than the EVO VIII, but I honestly do not know anything about them other than I like them. :D

But we will definitely find out! All I know is that MR only had an exhaust and one he gets even a software upgrade, there will be no need for us to run them again. :dunno

So you dont even have any bolt ons such as hfm, or intake? It soundedlike you had an intake but I thought I read in your sig that it had everything stock besides the internals of course.

It's a race engine out of an I Prepared club racer. Its entire rotating assembly is balanced and blueprinted, and pistons were added during my install that are half the stock weight. Along with a slight overbore (a stock S52 is really 3150 cc and my engine is 3195 cc), the car has an ECIS 3.5" intake, Samco throttle body boot, M50 manifold, 5 angle valve job, knife edged crank, Sunbelt OBDII cams, AA track pipe, accessory underdrive pullies, and a full Ferrea valvetrain. What also augments the acceleration substantially is the aggressive 3.64 rear end, which really helps me when I am low in the powerband, where the engine does not have a lot of grunt:

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/DynoKarting/DynoFinal.jpg

Currently I am running the stock headers and default Sunbelt cam tune from AA, two things that hopefully will leave room for a power upgrade when I choose to handle them. However I am in no rush to change the engine's configuration as I am currently very satisfied with the car.

Raise your hand if you think CMT should get ITBs
:evil2 :devillook

Ha!

"CMT" needs to start spending money on things other than his ten year old car! :D

At least, that's what my girlfriend thinks!

An Evo with JUST exhaust should get pulled by an E46. They only trap at 102-105mph stock. Just cat-back won't do a whole lot.

Does your E36 pull on E46s?

An Evo with JUST exhaust should get pulled by an E46. They only trap at 102-105mph stock. Just cat-back won't do a whole lot.

Does your E36 pull on E46s?

I don't know how much experience you have with Evos, but that was an Evo IX he was racing. IX's should pull about 4+ cars on Evo VIII's from a roll, which is what I am sure you are familiar with.

An Evo with JUST exhaust should get pulled by an E46. They only trap at 102-105mph stock. Just cat-back won't do a whole lot.

Does your E36 pull on E46s?
Dude he doesnt walk E46's he JOGS THEM DUDEBRO.

I cant believe your dyno numbers are only 256whp for what you have and how badly you beat the e46 m3. According to dinan and because of your car I know this has to be wrong, with my bolt ons I should have 235whp and about 270 at the crank. Now if you have 256 to the wheels with all of those upgrades then theres no way I have 235 whp. Can anyone else comment? I would love to have that engine in my car lol.

Your vids are classic CMT! We're all so used to the one paragraph kills, that when yours come along, not only is their no BS, but it proves the race.

The classic thing is how 'close' in performance your car, a stock E46 M3, and a stock Evo 9 are. They all trap a soild 105-106. Well, I'm guessing yours does with the fight it's been putting up against those cars.

A little tidbit of info for those that like to talk down on Evo's. The Evo 9 with Mivec, is QUITE a bit faster than the 03-05 Evo 8's. A good 4-5mph on traps on a 03/04, and about 2-3mph on a 05. It puts a solid 250+awhp stock. Most people that mention a Evo slowing at highway speeds are talking about a stock 03/04. An 05 runs better on the highway stock, and a 06+ Evo 9 even better yet. The sickest part is that the Evo 9's can lay down 325awhp with a simple TBE and a tune, amazing!

Dude he doesnt walk E46's he JOGS THEM DUDEBRO.

From the races I've seen, he's damn near dead even with a stock E46 M3, he hardly walks them.

Appreciate the kind words Das!

Against an E46 it seems to be a crapshoot every time. The videos in my signature were against an 06 with exhaust modifications, and I did very well against it - However, before that set of runs, when we ran them without a camera man in the E46, there did not seem to be a discernable difference in acceleration between the two cars. In fact, the E46 pulled on me in most of the pre-video contests, but I was taking the car to redline and did not realize just how costly to my overall acceleration this was.

My car has put about 3-4 carlengths from 60-120+ mph on a bone stock E46 M3 (year unknown) with my girlfriend driving, and yet it was unable to pull on the Imola Red 04 M3 owned by the EVO 9 MR owner before he sold it. That car had a full Eisenmann exhaust combo save for headers, and it proved to be the first indication that my car was not the E46 M3 killer that I had hoped for at the inception of the build. However I was using the E46's acceleration as a benchmark of success for the project, and I can say that even being on par with one is success enough for me.

I am not interested in overhyping my car's prowess, nor misrepresenting it on the Internet as something it is not. It is not an E46 M3 killer, but I can confidently say that it will surprise the heck out of an unsuspecting E46 who just will not see me coming. :)

Plus, when it is time for more power, I have the headers and custom tune route to explore. I have received varying projections on what this combo will do for the car, and I have been warned against headers that will sap my low end which is where the car really shines. Right now if I shift over 7000 RPM I lose a substantial amount of forward thrust, and I would like to be able to wind the car out with full power to its 7400 RPM redline, something that is impossible to do right now. :/

The car is what it is - A decently potent, NA E36 M3. You've got to remember that I lived at 225 whp / 225 tq for the entirety of the time I owned it until this summer, so it's going to be a long while before I absolutely need to do anything to it. There's always going to be something faster, and I am definitely OK with that. :buttrock

Awesome race, CMT!!

You guys got to keep in mind that turbo cars respond extremely well to exhaust mod. I've heard people gaining 30-40hp just from exhaust (most likely w/ downpipe).

Appreciate the kind words Das!

Against an E46 it seems to be a crapshoot every time. The videos in my signature were against an 06 with exhaust modifications, and I did very well against it - However, before that set of runs, when we ran them without a camera man in the E46, there did not seem to be a discernable difference in acceleration between the two cars. In fact, the E46 pulled on me in most of the pre-video contests, but I was taking the car to redline and did not realize just how costly to my overall acceleration this was.

My car has put about 3-4 carlengths from 60-120+ mph on a bone stock E46 M3 (year unknown) with my girlfriend driving, and yet it was unable to pull on the Imola Red 04 M3 owned by the EVO 9 MR owner before he sold it. That car had a full Eisenmann exhaust combo save for headers, and it proved to be the first indication that my car was not the E46 M3 killer that I had hoped for at the inception of the build. However I was using the E46's acceleration as a benchmark of success for the project, and I can say that even being on par with one is success enough for me.

I am not interested in overhyping my car's prowess, nor misrepresenting it on the Internet as something it is not. It is not an E46 M3 killer, but I can confidently say that it will surprise the heck out of an unsuspecting E46 who just will not see me coming. :)

Plus, when it is time for more power, I have the headers and custom tune route to explore. I have received varying projections on what this combo will do for the car, and I have been warned against headers that will sap my low end which is where the car really shines. Right now if I shift over 7000 RPM I lose a substantial amount of forward thrust, and I would like to be able to wind the car out with full power to its 7400 RPM redline, something that is impossible to do right now. :/

The car is what it is - A decently potent, NA E36 M3. You've got to remember that I lived at 225 whp / 225 tq for the entirety of the time I owned it until this summer, so it's going to be a long while before I absolutely need to do anything to it. There's always going to be something faster, and I am definitely OK with that. :buttrock

A full manifold into track pipe and a custom tune and I'd say your car would gain a solid 12-25rwhp, mostly in the tune.

Thanks for the good press guys! It should be noted that this particular EVO owner gave up his 04 M3 with some good modifications

I gave up my 02 M3 for and 05 STi and gave that up for a 97 M3...
STi was fun for about 2 weeks then major buyers regret set in and the car had zero class. EVO is even more ugly than the STi

I gave up my 02 M3 for and 05 STi and gave that up for a 97 M3...
STi was fun for about 2 weeks then major buyers regret set in and the car had zero class. EVO is even more ugly than the STi


Subjective. I personally find the EVO aesthetic exponentially more pleasing than the current STI. The last STi whose exterior design I loved was the 22b.

Each to their own of course. And I agree with the final choice of a 97 M3. They rock. :D

nice job

Appreciate the kind words Das!

Against an E46 it seems to be a crapshoot every time. The videos in my signature were against an 06 with exhaust modifications, and I did very well against it - However, before that set of runs, when we ran them without a camera man in the E46, there did not seem to be a discernable difference in acceleration between the two cars. In fact, the E46 pulled on me in most of the pre-video contests, but I was taking the car to redline and did not realize just how costly to my overall acceleration this was.

My car has put about 3-4 carlengths from 60-120+ mph on a bone stock E46 M3 (year unknown) with my girlfriend driving, and yet it was unable to pull on the Imola Red 04 M3 owned by the EVO 9 MR owner before he sold it. That car had a full Eisenmann exhaust combo save for headers, and it proved to be the first indication that my car was not the E46 M3 killer that I had hoped for at the inception of the build. However I was using the E46's acceleration as a benchmark of success for the project, and I can say that even being on par with one is success enough for me.

I am not interested in overhyping my car's prowess, nor misrepresenting it on the Internet as something it is not. It is not an E46 M3 killer, but I can confidently say that it will surprise the heck out of an unsuspecting E46 who just will not see me coming. :)

Plus, when it is time for more power, I have the headers and custom tune route to explore. I have received varying projections on what this combo will do for the car, and I have been warned against headers that will sap my low end which is where the car really shines. Right now if I shift over 7000 RPM I lose a substantial amount of forward thrust, and I would like to be able to wind the car out with full power to its 7400 RPM redline, something that is impossible to do right now. :/

The car is what it is - A decently potent, NA E36 M3. You've got to remember that I lived at 225 whp / 225 tq for the entirety of the time I owned it until this summer, so it's going to be a long while before I absolutely need to do anything to it. There's always going to be something faster, and I am definitely OK with that. :buttrock

CMT (I think your name is Chris, correct?), if you are anything like me...I suggest not spending any more on the car. I think you have done plenty. Any more and the gains won't be worth the additional cost. In fact, I think the more you spend on it from this point, the more you will start to lose interest in it. I say you keep it as it is and enjoy it. Now start saving up for your turbo'ed car. It will be badazz to have a nice NA car and a FI car!!:D

Just keep posting cool videos. :D

CMT...nice runs man. Looks like fun. I've been bit with the FI bug now for about 5 years but I personally like the path you've gone down. There's something to be said for a high revving NA motor. It's instant power delivery is something you don't get with small displacement FI. Plus if it ain't broke don't fix it. That M3 hauls. It sure as shitski ain't broke. Let her be. Drive her and enjoy the fruits of your labors.

BTW...Give your friend one of these before he falls asleep at the wheel...

http://www.edoug.com/images/red-bull.jpg

Your vids are classic CMT! We're all so used to the one paragraph kills, that when yours come along, not only is their no BS, but it proves the race.

The classic thing is how 'close' in performance your car, a stock E46 M3, and a stock Evo 9 are. They all trap a soild 105-106. Well, I'm guessing yours does with the fight it's been putting up against those cars.

A little tidbit of info for those that like to talk down on Evo's. The Evo 9 with Mivec, is QUITE a bit faster than the 03-05 Evo 8's. A good 4-5mph on traps on a 03/04, and about 2-3mph on a 05. It puts a solid 250+awhp stock. Most people that mention a Evo slowing at highway speeds are talking about a stock 03/04. An 05 runs better on the highway stock, and a 06+ Evo 9 even better yet. The sickest part is that the Evo 9's can lay down 325awhp with a simple TBE and a tune, amazing!
+1

That's exactly my experience as well. I was consistently 10-15whp down on comparably equipped Evo IX models and 10-15whp up on comparably equipped '03/'04 Evo VIII's. Then I went with aftermarket cams, which I believe is a superior setup to MIVEC if you get cam gears too and the tuner knows what he's doing. I also added an OEM Evo IX turbo (16G). If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. One thing I now FIRMLY believe is that 95% of the peak power difference between the IX and VIII (particularly the '05 VIII) is the turbo. Mitsubishi might not be able to sell SUV's, honor warranties, or stay competitive in WRC but they absolutely know turbochargers. Their 16G is lights out and it seems to constantly get better. Hats of to their R&D. The new IX turbo has a slightly larger compressor housing than the VIII turbo. Other than that, you'll have to ask one of their engineers or somebody who's dissected one. I just knew from seeing the IX graphs that it wasn't the magic MIVEC. I felt it was the snail and so did a lot of others. I figured fuggit and bought one used with only 2k miles on it. Untuned, I instantly picked up 15wtq on a very stingy mustang dyno. On a dynojet it would have been close to 25wtq. After about 15 pulls my tuner had picked 14whp/21wtq up top but, more importantly, the power band was smooth and marked with SIGNIFICANT power increases across the range. No loss in spool. No increase in boost. I'm very happy with my new "Evo 8.5" :D

CMT...nice runs man. Looks like fun. I've been bit with the FI bug now for about 5 years but I personally like the path you've gone down. There's something to be said for a high revving NA motor. It's instant power delivery is something you don't get with small displacement FI. Plus if it ain't broke don't fix it. That M3 hauls. It sure as shitski ain't broke. Let her be. Drive her and enjoy the fruits of your labors.

BTW...Give your friend one of these before he falls asleep at the wheel...

http://www.edoug.com/images/red-bull.jpg


+1

That's exactly my experience as well. I was consistently 10-15whp down on comparably equipped Evo IX models and 10-15whp up on comparably equipped '03/'04 Evo VIII's. Then I went with aftermarket cams, which I believe is a superior setup to MIVEC if you get cam gears too and the tuner knows what he's doing. I also added an OEM Evo IX turbo (16G). If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. One thing I now FIRMLY believe is that 95% of the peak power difference between the IX and VIII (particularly the '05 VIII) is the turbo. Mitsubishi might not be able to sell SUV's, honor warranties, or stay competitive in WRC but they absolutely know turbochargers. Their 16G is lights out and it seems to constantly get better. Hats of to their R&D. The new IX turbo has a slightly larger compressor housing than the VIII turbo. Other than that, you'll have to ask one of their engineers or somebody who's dissected one. I just knew from seeing the IX graphs that it wasn't the magic MIVEC. I felt it was the snail and so did a lot of others. I figured fuggit and bought one used with only 2k miles on it. Untuned, I instantly picked up 15wtq on a very stingy mustang dyno. On a dynojet it would have been close to 25wtq. After about 15 pulls my tuner had picked 14whp/21wtq up top but, more importantly, the power band was smooth and marked with SIGNIFICANT power increases across the range. No loss in spool. No increase in boost. I'm very happy with my new "Evo 8.5" :DSteiner,I agree the main difference in power is mainly because the two cars use different turbo's as well. I have a friend with an EVO Vlll that is using a Mivec head with an EVO lX harness with the stck EVO Vlll turbo and we are waiting to see if the swap and investment was worth it.

Steiner,I agree the the main difference in power is mainly because the two cars use different turbo's as well. I have a friend with as EVO that is using a Mivec head with an EVO lX harness with the stck EVO Vlll turbo and we are waiting to see if the swap and investment was worth it.
interesting..
next year I will be doing either the Buschur 20glt or Buschur 50 trim.

No doubt. I wil say this -With all of the talk about the EVOS falling on their faces as speeds climb, I will personally attest that this example did nothing of the sort. The only thing I noticed as the speeds climbed way over 100 mph was that we stopped trading spots back and forth and sat right where we were for the remainder of the run.

The car moves. :buttrock

The evo IX MR has more topend with mivec

That's exactly my experience as well.


What can I say? I know my Evo's. hehe...yet, I've never owned one. Had a deposit on your car, well it was white, and I'm assuming that's what your RS is. But I pussed out....

Nice run! Didn't expect you to keep up!

thats pretty funny

What kind of hp gains do you expect to achieve by doing the IX turbo, the housing and the MIVEC or whatever?

What happened to tuning like the Supras? Bigger turbo, more boost - lot's more HP?

The evo IX MR has more topend with mivec:nono More bottom end! And I also say the turbo's are the difference.

What can I say? I know my Evo's. hehe...yet, I've never owned one. Had a deposit on your car, well it was white, and I'm assuming that's what your RS is. But I pussed out....Yep. White '05 VIII RS. They say white is the fastest. :devillook

No doubt. I wil say this -With all of the talk about the EVOS falling on their faces as speeds climb, I will personally attest that this example did nothing of the sort. The only thing I noticed as the speeds climbed way over 100 mph was that we stopped trading spots back and forth and sat right where we were for the remainder of the run.

The car moves. :buttrock

Really? I've raced a few and if they don't have a boost controller they're AZZ slow on the highway. Like a 240rwhp E36 M3 should hang with 'em or maybe edge them out. Their boost tapers off at high RPM in stock form. Making it hold to redline gets them quite a bit more pull in those longer gears up top.

I've beaten an 8 and 9 on the highway at low boost, but wish I could line up against one with more than just bolt-ons and see how my crapbox does.

Really? I've raced a few and if they don't have a boost controller they're AZZ slow on the highway. Like a 240rwhp E36 M3 should hang with 'em or maybe edge them out. Their boost tapers off at high RPM in stock form. Making it hold to redline gets them quite a bit more pull in those longer gears up top.

I've beaten an 8 and 9 on the highway at low boost, but wish I could line up against one with more than just bolt-ons and see how my crapbox does.

I assume that's because your 240 would trap a decent clip more than 105?? I could be wrong though. So even a Evo 9 MR, the top dog of the Evo range wouldn't hold up to you. I'd bet a McD's happy meal that one with a simple TBE and tune would though. :D

Guys,

Sorry for basically abandoning the thread, but work has been kicking my tuckus this week. The Holiday time really seems to bring out the wackos. :/

I want to thank you all for making this thread an amazingly informative read for someone like myself who was honestly curious about the differences between the varying versions of the EVO. This thread is amazingly informative, it's been an awesome read, and I'm psyched that it turned out so well.

You guys rock. :buttrock

As far as my dynos numbers go, they're low. They are. They've always been - I refuse to start chasing dyno numbers as the car's performance is more than satisfactory, and its numbers tell only a portion of the story. Like Andy said (and yes, please, call me Chris!), this build is approaching its finish - If indeed it hasn't already reached its completion.

Really?

Really.

I suspect your definition of "AZZ slow on the highway" is substantially different from mine. :dunno

Ok so now I have way too much time on my hands.... Here is a graph of my motor (when the damn thing was still good :() Before I went to Turners and switched headers, put the trackpipe on, changed my exhaust and and a custom tune picking up 14 peak rwhp in the process. (would have picked up 20+ but went with the evosport headers which lost me peak power but I picked up a buttload of tq back:D) I net 47 rwhp and 31 rw tq. over you at the same point.

Do you have the Supersprint headers?

GOD I MISS MY OLD TIGHT MOTOR:mad Might have to get Corry to rebuild it and put some of Bob's goodies in there:D Anyone smell 280 rwhp:evil2 :evil2

Sorry, didn't mean to take the thread off-topic here....

Friend, showing this dyno graph is like exposing a micro penis....

We don't want to see that....:D

I assume that's because your 240 would trap a decent clip more than 105?? I could be wrong though. So even a Evo 9 MR, the top dog of the Evo range wouldn't hold up to you. I'd bet a McD's happy meal that one with a simple TBE and tune would though. :D

I've never dragged my car, but given what I've seen others with about my setup do I'd say it's probably a ~112mph car. It's a bit faster than an E39 M5, and those trap about 109-110mph.

It makes around 280-300rwhp and weighs 2500 lbs. On low boost it's probably 250-260rwhp, and it pulls stockish(intake/exhaust/ebay turbo manifold etc.) 8's and 9's pretty easily. The 3rd gear goes to about 105mph on my car, so it's pretty good for a highway roll from about 60mph, so that might also help a bit.

Really.

I suspect your definition of "AZZ slow on the highway" is substantially different from mine. :dunno

They're not E36 318 slow or anything, but their power delivery just doesn't lend themselves for long pulls in high gears in stockish form is what I mean. Most EVOs would probably rip me a new asshole from a dig due to traction, but once we get into 2nd I suck right by them with ease and it only gets worse as the speeds increase.

I haven't messed with a 10 before, so they might be faster. I know they have a bigger turbine housing which supposedly makes a big difference and the whole MIVEC thing.

Friend, showing this dyno graph is like exposing a micro penis....

We don't want to see that....:D

:lol HaHa, ya deleted them. Had meant to chat with Chris about it after we went to the dyno but being up for 34 hours straight it seemed like a good time to post up now.....;)

Most EVOs would probably rip me a new asshole from a dig due to traction, but once we get into 2nd I suck right by them with ease and it only gets worse as the speeds increase.

Cool! Nice!

I haven't messed with a 10 before......

....?????

:lol HaHa, ya deleted them. Had meant to chat with Chris about it after we went to the dyno but being up for 34 hours straight it seemed like a good time to post up now.....;)

All good in the hood mon brodude. :D

...So even a Evo 9 MR, the top dog of the Evo range wouldn't hold up to you..
I see this misconception a lot. The MR is no more a performer than any other Evo. In fact a lot of weekend racers are regretting their decision to get the MR because the heavier, somewhat weaker 6 speed tranny doesn't lend itself to as much abuse or power. All USDM Evo VIII's of the same model year have the same engine/turbo/tune combo. As do all of the Evo IX models. MR supposedly stands for "Mitsubishi Racing" but it might as well stand for "More Risk" if you intend to track the car or tune for big power.

Thanks for the good press guys! It should be noted that this particular EVO owner gave up his 04 M3 with some good modifications:

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/Bavauto/b10.jpg

for the Mitsu because he knew it was the only way to make the kind of power he demanded. Now, personally, I would not have made this decision, but I am also not adamant about having 56,867 wheel horsepower either.

And that's about the number that's going to make this dude happy at this point. :D



Thanks! It was recorded with the new Canon HD camera by a friend. He did a great job!

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/Bavauto/HDV.jpg




My main man! I hope the Holidays are treating you well. I am avoiding a new car purchase because I know the next one is going to be a turbo, and it's also going to have a Porsche crest on it. As I put those two together, and the reality of that expense really hit home.....I decided to wait it out a bit and stick with what I got. Go home with who I "brung," so to speak, and upgrade the E36 as the BPG IP engine became available at the right time. The only downfall to this is that because I will never go FI on the M3, I am stuck with very specific NA mods that are marginal upgrades at best in relation to what can be done with a turbo.

But so be it. It will make the final turbo aquisition that much sweeter in the long run, and barring some unforseen accident slouching its way towards me on the unexpected tip, I will never get rid of the M3. Hell, I may just have them bury me in it!




Thanks man. Appreciate it. I was lucky - I had a shop that I trusted 100% performing the work, and that basically held my hand the entire way through the installation process. It helped that the BPG (http://www.bavarianperformancegroup.com) owners are also among my good friends, but in the end I know they give this same treatment to all of their customers. It's tough when all you hear about are horror stories when it comes to these kinds of custom jobs, but in the end mine was a simple swap and cam install - the engine was already built for their IP car - so it wasn't too serious, and their mechanics can do that swap in their sleep at this point. :D

Also, right back atcha on your monster, mon frere. Your car must be one hell of a good time!



Yes. I am told this thing will respond very well to FI if I remove the Sunbelt OBDII cams and choose cams with less overlap. But I love this car too much to go FI - It opens up a potential world of headaches, including the very real and scary boost addiction that I want nothing to do with. And God love those currently suffering from this disease. Or should I say "God HELP them!"

:D




My wheels are HRE 547s in the stock staggered sizes, custom powdercoated by RimPRO in BMW OEM Chrome Shadow.


Wow he traded that for an Evo:eyecrazy

I see this misconception a lot. The MR is no more a performer than any other Evo. In fact a lot of weekend racers are regretting their decision to get the MR because the heavier, somewhat weaker 6 speed tranny doesn't lend itself to as much abuse or power. All USDM Evo VIII's of the same model year have the same engine/turbo/tune combo. As do all of the Evo IX models. MR supposedly stands for "Mitsubishi Racing" but it might as well stand for "More Risk" if you intend to track the car or tune for big power.


I'm an MR owner and I tell people that it stands for "Mega-Rice"!

I agree that some people don't seem to understand that the power is even across the board for the models of that particular year. Instead of looking at the different "trim lines" of evos, they should focus more on the year of the car. '06 > '05 >'03-'04.

To expound on MR tranny weaknesses (just to inform the thread participants):

The MR's 6-speed gearset is shoved in the same size housing as the 5 speed (although different manfucaturer). To achieve that, the 4th, 5th and 6th gear are not as stout as the standard 5 speed's.

Another by-product of the "squeeze" is less fluid capacity. They put a cute cooling fin on the tranny, but it is not sufficient. The fluid gets hot during track sessions...way hotter than the standard 5-speed. 4th gear is what has always burned out during heavy track sessions with the 5 or 6 reported failures.

The max torque rating for 4th gear is supposedly around 390ftlbs (to the shaft) before it becomes a laibility . The tranny is fine for drag racing and autoxing (1st gear is meatier than the 5-speed and 2nd-3rd are about equal) but sustained high heat and stress to the top 3 gears is more than they can take. The consensus is that the 5-speed is the tranny to have if you want big power or want to track your evo heavily.

If/when my 6-speed goes out...it will be time for a shep-built 5-speed.

I will be looking out for a used IX turbo as well. People are too caught up in the Mivec Hype as well. It's the Turbo and slightly hotter intake cam that is giving the IX it's power.

The Mivec is just giving it a nice idle and slightly increase low/mid-range torque. We have installed two different prototype IX cams in the GSC IX test Mule (1st set was 280I/272E...now the secrest sauce S1 IX cams ) and the idle is closer to stock than my measily straight GSC 264 cams in the MR (I'm talking dead-stock). Why? Just like Vanos, it's default degree for the intake came is retarded when out of load/advancement. It's basically an adjustable cam gear on the fly. Pretty cool, but it is not performing miracles by itself like many people are believing.


Anyways...I've posted too much. Time for bed.

I'm an MR owner and I tell people that it stands for "Mega-Rice"!

I agree that some people don't seem to understand that the power is even across the board for the models of that particular year. Instead of looking at the different "trim lines" of evos, they should focus more on the year of the car. '06 > '05 >'03-'04.

To expound on MR tranny weaknesses (just to inform the thread participants):

The MR's 6-speed gearset is shoved in the same size housing as the 5 speed (although different manfucaturer). To achieve that, the 4th, 5th and 6th gear are not as stout as the standard 5 speed's.

Another by-product of the "squeeze" is less fluid capacity. They put a cute cooling fin on the tranny, but it is not sufficient. The fluid gets hot during track sessions...way hotter than the standard 5-speed. 4th gear is what has always burned out during heavy track sessions with the 5 or 6 reported failures.

The max torque rating for 4th gear is supposedly around 390ftlbs (to the shaft) before it becomes a laibility . The tranny is fine for drag racing and autoxing (1st gear is meatier than the 5-speed and 2nd-3rd are about equal) but sustained high heat and stress to the top 3 gears is more than they can take.

If/when my 6-speed goes out...it will be time for a shep-built 5-speed.

I will be looking out for a used IX turbo as well. People are too caught up in the Mivec Hype as well. It's the Turbo and slightly hotter intake cam that is giving the IX it's power.

The Mivec is just giving it a nice idle and slightly increase low/mid-range torque. We have installed two different prototype IX cams in the GSC IX test Mule (1st set was 280I/272E...now the secrest sauce S1 IX cams ) and the idle is closer to stock than my measily straight GSC 264 cams in the MR (I'm talking dead-stock). Why? Just like Vanos, it's default degree for the intake came is retarded when out of load/advancement. It's basically an adjustable cam gear on the fly. Pretty cool, but it is not performing miracles by itself like many people are believing.


Anyways...I've posted too much. Time for bed.

Wow! Good info man, appreciate the learning I got from that. So a Evo 9 gsr it is! haha, that is when I decide to part with $28K for a car.

I lied...I am not going to bed until I get another post in.

Wow he traded that for an Evo:eyecrazy

I don't really care either way about the exterior, but since I spend 100% of the time inside it when I'm driving (dur), the fun factor waaaay overrides what ever "style points" may be dropping on the outside while I am driving past people. My self-esteem is sufficient.:)

If you were to give me the choice of a Ferrari with the handling and power of a Ford Pinto...
or
A Ford Pinto with the Handling and power of an Enzo..

I'D BE ROCKIN' THAT PINTO BEAN!


Spend some time in the seat and you'll understand why the Evo has a way of making other cars feel "disconnected". I thought my 330ti with suspension, Z3 steering rack and M3 brakes was exciting until I test drove a bone stock Evo. It was just an innocent little test drive - with no intentions of purchasing, but it went downhill from there. It wasn't even the power that seduced me (it was about the same as the 330ti at the time).


***Also. Just a preemptive response to the sure to follow comments about interior:

It's just how I like it! It has a few knobs here and there and that's it. No computers telling me that my right passenger tire is low. No Navigation. I don't even listen to my crappy, stock radio. I also don't believe in cruise control and the A/C is rarely turned on because I must have 100% power on standby at all times (just incase!).

The 4 things I need are:
1. Seats (the recaros rock).
2. Steering wheel (Momo....niiiiiccccee)
3. Shifter (buttery smooth on the MR)
4. Pedals (Clutch pedal is acceptable, the brake pedal is reassuring and the fun pedal never dissapoints).

Just like Beer, these are the 4 main ingredients.
Everything else is just dead weight that the factory insists on shoving into the cockpit.


Wow! Good info man, appreciate the learning I got from that. So a Evo 9 gsr it is! You're welcome.
The IX GSR and RS are the way to go. There was an SE that came to the shop today. It's nice, but like the MR and SSL...I don't feel it is worth the price. If I could have done it all over again, I would have waited and bought a IX RS. Evos are meant to be modded, so go with the cheapest, most capable platform.

EVO'S AREN'T BAD LOOKING!Bring me a stock one and I'll show you how a 9 year old volvo with a mbc will walk it on the highway over 90.Must be stock!
I'll bring the camera :stickoutt

....?????

Sorry, I've been watching too much Best Motoring. :) I meant a a IX MR. The normal IX's don't have the 10.5 cm^2 turbine housing do they? I know the VIII's have the 9.8 cm^2 housing(at least I think that's what it is).

I've love an EVO turbo on my 240, as I think it could put down about 330-340rwhp with the wick turned up, and they're pretty affordable. Sadly, the reverse scroll makes it almost impossible to fit on the left side of a RWD block.

Great posts Sean :D

Sorry, I've been watching too much Best Motoring. :) I meant a a IX MR. The normal IX's don't have the 10.5 cm^2 turbine housing do they? I know the VIII's have the 9.8 cm^2 housing(at least I think that's what it is).


'03-'04's have the 9.8, '05+ has the 10.5. Like Kiley said, no matter the trim level, all Evos use the same engine/turbo.

Yea I read through it and saw that after I posted. I don't think I've ever raced an '05+, so I'll have to try to find one, or an earlier car with the turbo swapped.

I lied...I am not going to bed until I get another post in.



I don't really care either way about the exterior, but since I spend 100% of the time inside it when I'm driving (dur), the fun factor waaaay overrides what ever "style points" may be dropping on the outside while I am driving past people. My self-esteem is sufficient.:)

If you were to give me the choice of a Ferrari with the handling and power of a Ford Pinto...
or
A Ford Pinto with the Handling and power of an Enzo..

I'D BE ROCKIN' THAT PINTO BEAN!


Spend some time in the seat and you'll understand why the Evo has a way of making other cars feel "disconnected". I thought my 330ti with suspension, Z3 steering rack and M3 brakes was exciting until I test drove a bone stock Evo. It was just an innocent little test drive - with no intentions of purchasing, but it went downhill from there. It wasn't even the power that seduced me (it was about the same as the 330ti at the time).


***Also. Just a preemptive response to the sure to follow comments about interior:

It's just how I like it! It has a few knobs here and there and that's it. No computers telling me that my right passenger tire is low. No Navigation. I don't even listen to my crappy, stock radio. I also don't believe in cruise control and the A/C is rarely turned on because I must have 100% power on standby at all times (just incase!).

The 4 things I need are:
1. Seats (the recaros rock).
2. Steering wheel (Momo....niiiiiccccee)
3. Shifter (buttery smooth on the MR)
4. Pedals (Clutch pedal is acceptable, the brake pedal is reassuring and the fun pedal never dissapoints).

Just like Beer, these are the 4 main ingredients.
Everything else is just dead weight that the factory insists on shoving into the cockpit.


You're welcome.
The IX GSR and RS are the way to go. There was an SE that came to the shop today. It's nice, but like the MR and SSL...I don't feel it is worth the price. If I could have done it all over again, I would have waited and bought a IX RS. Evos are meant to be modded, so go with the cheapest, most capable platform.


Well put, are you doing any other mods? what whp are you expecting?

here's a question..........

First, was that an Evo 8 or a 9?

i ask because i couldn't tell from the front end of the car..........cause you could hardly see it.

also, why does he have black evo 8 wheels on a "Brand new MR"?

somethings kinda weird with that evo.................................

here's a question..........

First, was that an Evo 8 or a 9?

i ask because i couldn't tell from the front end of the car..........cause you could hardly see it.

also, why does he have black evo 8 wheels on a "Brand new MR"?

somethings kinda weird with that evo.................................

34 seconds in you can see the front grill, it's a IX.

Well put, are you doing any other mods? what whp are you expecting?

I'm not one of those Evo owners that needs big Hp to be happy. The 16G is more than enough for me to have fun.

I am going to try the New GSC S1 cams. Get a lower-intercooler-pipe, O2 housing and then tune it for stock boost on pump gas.

I am not really concerned about HP ratings, but if I had to guess...it should put about 300-310 awhp on a Mustang Dyno. I am just interested in improving upon the stock set-up and making it more effecient.



here's a question..........
also, why does he have black evo 8 wheels on a "Brand new MR"?


Well...just looking at how baller he was to have that sweet E46 M3. I'd say that he probably changed the wheels out immediately after purchase just for preference.

I totally believe that that IX only had a turbo-back-exhaust (TBE).

I went from running 8.40's in the 1/8th mile with just a K&N panel filter to running 8.10s with the addition of a 3" exhaust (un-tuned). That's 3 tenths faster with just the TBE. Although a before/after dynograph with a TBE will not show a peak 30awhp gain (more like 15)...the way quicker spool-up and power under the curve are what's giving it the acceleration. The stock exhaust is very restrictive.

here's a question..........

First, was that an Evo 8 or a 9?

also, why does he have black evo 8 wheels on a "Brand new MR"?



It's a 9. I think the snow wheels/tires are throwing you off. :dunno

I agree with the earlier statement that the Evo makes the driver feel very "connected" to the road. I found that to be very true in my test drive. The steering is immediate and has great feedback. the E36 does not compare. Overall, the Evo was too rough for me, but then again so is an E36 M3, so........

It's a 9. I think the snow wheels/tires are throwing you off. :dunno

Oooo....I forgot about you North East boys running winter wheels.

Great info Sean. I didn't mean to slight your MR either. For 99.9% of Evo owners it's the best daily driver with the most creature comforts and the best resale value. It also looks unique because of the badging and the BBS wheels. For me it had to be the RS because modifications are the only reason I went with the Evo. I wanted a blank slate. It's not for everybody though, even if I have added a lot of interior amenities: navigation, power locks, alarm, 60GB Omnifi MP3 player, crazy stereo system, etc. I spend 5 minutes in my wife's Infiniti FX and can understand where some people are coming from. I wish I could afford a Porsche and have a better balance of performance and luxury but I can't so, until then, the Evo is for me.

BTW...for people struggling to understand the different USDM Evo trims and power outputs this may help...

2003 & 2004 Evo VIII > 2005 Evo VIII > 2006 Evo IX

Great info Sean. I didn't mean to slight your MR either.

Nah...I didn't take offense. :D

Wooh, nice thread guys. Great amounts of infos.

I've yet to run with any Evo, but am looking forward to a 2nd gear roll. I havn't had any trouble with E36 M3s, G35 Coupe S and pulled dead even with a modded SRT4's. Forced induction brings so much power within reach, but you have to remember the risks you are taking.

GTI?
what are the mods?

Forced induction brings so much power within reach, but you have to remember the risks you are taking.

That's true for the most part, but luckily the 4G63 has been tested and pushed to the edge for almost 17 years now from when it first came out in DSMs. That wealth of knowledge is why it took the USDM Evos no time to start cranking out 400, 500, and 600Hp examples after they hit US shores.

Because very little has changed with the design (leaving out references to 7-bolt 4G's in the 2nd Gen DSMs :stickoutt) the aftermarket support is overflowing.

Because very little has changed with the design (leaving out references to 7-bolt 4G's in the 2nd Gen DSMs :stickoutt) the aftermarket support is overflowing.
:shifty

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/l337raceryo/crankwalk.jpg

Wooh, nice thread guys. Great amounts of infos.

I've yet to run with any Evo, but am looking forward to a 2nd gear roll. I havn't had any trouble with E36 M3s, G35 Coupe S and pulled dead even with a modded SRT4's. Forced induction brings so much power within reach, but you have to remember the risks you are taking.

B.S, I had a Revo'd MKV GTI, Candy White for 8 months right when they came out. That car wouldn't run with a E36 M3, no way. It's been proven time and time again on vortex that a simple reflashed MKV is almost no faster than the same reflashed MK4 1.8T. The trap of a chipped MKV is around 97mph, and the best drivers are running 14.3's, not that great, not slow, but no E36 M3 puller.

:shifty

I thought you swapped to a 6-bolt.

Thanks for sharing this CMT, the video quality is excellent. You have a very nice M3 with an superb sounding motor. I'm amazed that your car almost has almost 300 crank hp. The torque curve is also a thing of beauty, with a nice plateau in the mid range.

I thought you swapped to a 6-bolt.Yes I have a 6 bolt in the Talon now! I also have another one sitting in my hallway brandnew with Ross pistons and Crower rods,knife edged Butcher crank! GOAL= 550+whp. I wanna start this project in Feb or March.

The angry face was because what You and Steiner said about the 7bolt 2g's is tru!:( Crankus Walkus disease!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/l337raceryo/crankwalk.jpg:( :help :(

nice vid!!! gotta love FI.

ok i am not trying to change the thread around but i need alot of more info about the IP race engine in your car. i also wanna head about the build.

my main question, would be the total cost of it. Thanks.