Reynaldo sent me some new pics of my car in it's 'complete' form. I still have some exhaust work to do but the supercharger and clutch are all done. Check out more pics at http://www.twofools.com/news.htm

http://www.twofools.com/images/blower.jpg

Ryan

Looks good Ryan. I didn't know AA was starting to do SC's for M Coupes. How much was the set up? Specs? Is it cheaper than Dinan etc..?

Thanks again in advance.

-Fellow Couper

I provided my car to them for their prototyping work, and Karl has made copies of all the unique M Coupe specific parts, so I assume when they release the kit to the general public the M Coupe and Roadsters will be included along with the other cars. Someone from AA would have to confirm that but I'd say it's a safe bet us Coupers won't be left out. :) I think the only differences was for some piping, though, so I get the impression it wasn't a huge deal.

Right now pricing looks to be about $5700 if they keep the price the same as on the M3 kit. I haven't priced out Dinan stuff, but the AA kit will come with a front mount intercooler which Dinan doesn't offer. It should make around 8psi, dunno exact power numbers yet but on the other prototype car I think it picked up about 90whp and up to 100hp with an exhaust. Karl told me peak power wouldn't differ much from a Vortech-based kit, but the midrange will be higher since this blower spools better.

I saw your car on the Dyno when I went to AA on Monday (12/30/02). I didnt take a pic of it though :(
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79968&perpage=15&highlight=safety&pagenumber=2
My pics are on the second page, theres a pic or two of your car on the first (not taken by me though.

Cool, thanks for the link :) I can't wait till next weekend to pick it up... gettin' anxious!

Originally posted by RyanC
Cool, thanks for the link :) I can't wait till next weekend to pick it up... gettin' anxious! Your Welcome :) Hope you have a good time with it. I think that Rey told me that your gonna be doing OLoA. Is this true?

Yep, this will be my fourth consecutive year running OLOA, albeit my first in my own car. This is the reason why I'm getting all the work done on my car, gotta get more power to help out in the uber-competetive GT1 class.

Originally posted by RyanC
Yep, this will be my fourth consecutive year running OLOA, albeit my first in my own car. This is the reason why I'm getting all the work done on my car, gotta get more power to help out in the uber-competetive GT1 class.

I can't wait to see the progress through OLOA... somebody needs to get this man a laptop and a wireless satelitte connection so he can broadcast live updates from the road...

Originally posted by Kevlar
I can't wait to see the progress through OLOA... somebody needs to get this man a laptop and a wireless satelitte connection so he can broadcast live updates from the road... Actually, you can use your cellphone to use the Internet on your Laptop. I dont know how, But im 110% sure you can. Now the question is, do you have a lappy Ryan?

I have a laptop, but the 'on the fly' updates are a big pain in the ass. We've done it for 2 of the last 3 years, or at least tried to, but the task of writing content, uploading it, and carrying the required gear to do it all is not a fun thing. Especially with the space confines of the M Coupe. I'll figure something out though, and it'll be on my twofools.com web site.

I saw your car when i was at AA as well. Very nice...

I would like to see Dynojet results to see how the AA kit does up against my Vortech.
What do they estimate the crank power to be?

Greg, not too sure on the estimates but as I mentioned above I don't think the peak power numbers were expected to be much different than a Vortech based kit. Hopefully the weekend after this I can hit a dynojet and get those #s.

Originally posted by RyanC
Greg, not too sure on the estimates but as I mentioned above I don't think the peak power numbers were expected to be much different than a Vortech based kit. Hopefully the weekend after this I can hit a dynojet and get those #s.

I'm not so sure about the peak power numbers... but where this supercharger excels over other superchargers is it's ability to make full boost at 3k rpm instead of redline...

Maybe I missed it in another thread, but Ryan, did you get any dynos yet?

IIRC, fla_esp saw 299 rwhp on a *good* day, with most data in the 285-290 mark, and you are hoping for 300+, perhaps 310-315 rwhp.

Originally posted by Kevlar
I'm not so sure about the peak power numbers... but where this supercharger excels over other superchargers is it's ability to make full boost at 3k rpm instead of redline...


I'll be really interested to see this. While I think it is possible that it will make MORE boost that a typical centrifugal at 3k, I don;t see how it can possibly make FULL boost at 3k, and then hold it to redline. That is against any of the physical operating principles of how a centrifugal compressor works. Only way it could do that is if it is at peak efficiency at 3k rpm, then the efficiency drops off so fast that boost drops as rpm goes up to offset the increase in compressor speed.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Steve

:biglaughb

That's exactly what went through my head steve!:alright

Unless the inlet is so restrictive because of the small compressor that the delta P across the blades is normal but the delta P across the compressor is constant. Does that make sense?:)

Or (highly unlikely) it vents through a by-pass valve once engine at 3,000 rpm! Suspect it just spins up a bit faster than larger centrifugical superchargers, but doesn't peak until redline.

I never said it made full boost at 3k rpms, but it should make more than a vortech does at the same rpm, for the reasons Neil states above. I got the dyno chart today, will post it tonight.

297.2whp @ 6500
267.2rwtq @ 4750

The AFR curve is nice and rich, right at or just under 12:1 for the whole curve. I was hoping for a bit more of a gain, since I started out quite a bit stronger than fla_esp's car, but I'm still psyched with an 87whp gain. I'll put it on a dynojet when I get back home and get those numbers to compare against my run with the JC intake.

Neil, I'm coming thru your way on Tuesday next week. PM me your # and we can see about getting together.

Ryan

Nice.

I'd be interested in seeing what your car spins a dynojet up to. I'm not too sure I buy into the relatively high conversion number folks use from the mustang dyno, and since the dynojet seems to be the more widely quoted number, it'll likely be more useful for comparison purposes.

Originally posted by RyanC

Neil, I'm coming thru your way on Tuesday next week. PM me your # and we can see about getting together.

Ryan

So that would put you in the NY area Tuesday evening, maybe Wednesday?

I happen to be off from work Wednesday....if there's anything you can do to manage a quick pit stop just north of NYC....?

Lunch on me? :D

Jeff, me too. I have zero faith in 'conversion numbers', and I always cringe when I see people bandying them about as if they are gospel. I'm going to try and get to the same dyno I hit before I so I can get both curves on the same chart.

///M3ryder NY, I may be stopping in Jersey for the night so Wednesday is a possibility. PM me your digits, too, and I'll call if I can meet up. Depnds on how long it takes me to get from Hot-lanta to the DC area, and if I leave Tues AM or do some of the trip Mon night.

Ryan

Ryan,

You have one of the nicest M Coupes I have seen. The blower looks sooooo nice under the hood!!! Congrats!!!

Scho, thanks very much :)

Here's the dyno from earlier today or last night. Mike said Karl was still fooling around with the car so I wouldn't consider these to be 'final' numbers. AFR is posted on my web site at http://www.twofools.com/news.htm

Ryan


http://www.twofools.com/images/scvsstk.bmp

Originally posted by RyanC
Depnds on how long it takes me to get from Hot-lanta to the DC area, and if I leave Tues AM or do some of the trip Mon night.

Ryan

hey ! i'm in DC, i would love to see your car ? are you spending the night here ?

jeff

Hey guys, does anyone have a dyno sheet a the basic vortech blower installed on a e36 m3? i am dieing to put one on but i hear the gains arn't really worth the cash. let me know what you guys think

Originally posted by bigmansM
Hey guys, does anyone have a dyno sheet a the basic vortech blower installed on a e36 m3? i am dieing to put one on but i hear the gains arn't really worth the cash. let me know what you guys think

What exactly do you mean by a "basic vortech blower"? Many company use the vortech blower, and obviously some sort of tuning....Those dyno sheets will vary somewhat.

As for it's "worth" I think you're in the wrong section of the forum if you're looking for people to agree with that notion.... :nono

;)

Ryan,
How much boost are you running?

I talked with Ryan today at AA. Unfortunately he had not yet driven the beast, so I could not gauge any seat of the pants emotional reaction to his new frankencar. :D

We should expect to hear back from him late next week after driving the car home. Hope to hear a good report and a kick ass dynojet run on top of the mustang dyno run. I think it'll be intersting to have another mustang vs. dynojet datapoint as well.

Well, let's hope he is Valentine One protected.

Originally posted by frayed
We should expect to hear back from him late next week after driving the car home. Hope to hear a good report and a kick ass dynojet run on top of the mustang dyno run. I think it'll be intersting to have another mustang vs. dynojet datapoint as well.


I'm hoping to get a preview of the car on his way up next week. We've agreed to talk Wednesday of next week when he's near NYC... Crossing my fingers!

Of course, I won't let the cat out of the bag though, i'll let Ryan share his first impressions...

Just checking in quick from Macon, Ga! Jeff, nice chatting with you the other day. PM me your digits and we can talk more when I get back...

Impressions:
Doggam! AA did a great job on the install; it's very clean looking, and none of the pieces seem 'cheap' or halfassed. The blower itself is audible, with a higher pitched whine than what a vortech makes. You can hear the air whooshing under boost, and the diverter valve (from a 944 turbo) is also noticable. I like all the sounds hehe. I also had the AA track pipe installed (modified to fit the M Coupe, another first for my car :D ) and Mike rebaffled the mufflers to get some more sound.
With the exhaust mods, the car sounds a lot meaner; not too loud and with a little rasp, bassier at idle. Not over the top, though. The clutch is a lot like stock, just a litte heavier. I spent 30 minutes in stop and go leaving Miami, and the clutch didn't bother me at all.

Enough of that, let's get it on to the performance. If I can sum it up in one word, that would be: stunning. The power increases noticably from about 3k and pulls hard all the way to the 6900 redline. Getting on it from a standstill is a lot like stock in that you can easily get a good launch without much wheelspin; hitting second gets a good wiggle out of the back end (if ACS is off), and the car rockets to redline. Shift into third, a solid bark is emitted from the rear tires and 90mph is quickly reached. I got a clear run on alligator alley on the way to Tampa, and the car pulled to an indicated 145 with ease. On the way to Georgia tonight, things cooled down and the power was noticably better; it was scary getting onto the highway from a rest area as the car accelerated so quickly.

Mileage is down about 1mpg; averaging around 80 netted me just over 20mpg. The leg of my trip including the 145mph run was about 19mpg; not so bad.

Overall I'm very impressed with everything AA did to the car; no shortcuts were taken, the car performs better than I had hoped for, and it drives like stock when it's not on boost. It's making 8.5psi at redline, fyi. That's it, I'm off to sleep. I'll post some more impressions when I get back to Boston on Wedesday night or so.

Ryan
one happy camper

Ryan,

Great to hear your report. I'll be up on the Boston area in 2 weeks on business. I'll shoot you a note; would love to hear more about the car and perhaps we can meet up during my visit.

Frayed,

LMK when you're going to be in Boston, I can meet up with you and Ryan.

Ryan, Nice meeting you up in Orlando...

Keep in touch and let me know how the kit is doing for you, I will do the same. Hope you have a safe trip back to Boston...


no speeding :laugh

Do you have any more information on the AA supercharger for the M Coupe?

EDIT: Wow, I was surfing AA's site and just found out your car was in the One Lap of America :buttrock. What are the HP and torque numbers for your car, and how much did the whole project cost, including installation? Thanks

Ryan,

HOw do people explain the 10 to 15 hp/trq increase over the M3?

>>I'm not so sure about the peak power numbers... but where this supercharger excels over other superchargers is it's ability to make full boost at 3k rpm instead of redline...<<

Then, why are the shapes of your power and torque curves essentially the same as those produced by any other centrifugal supercharger in this application? I dont care Where the boost peaks; its the shape and amount of the torque curve that counts....And if boost peaks at 3K as you say, I dont understand why your curves look like any other M3 SC application.

Like Neil says, it may spin up a little faster, but if its a CF blower, then the faster it spins, the more boost its going to make, meaning max boost is going to come at redline. And this explains why your curves look like all the other CF SC curves.

One question. I noticed in the pics on the link you provide that there is a very sharp U bend in the intake piping immediately befoe entry into the supercharger. Has anybody questioned whether or how much of an efficiency penalty is paid by what essentially looks like a large 'kink' in the piping? Im not knocking it at all. I think its a very slick job, and a great looking system, with nice numbers to back it up. Im just struck by sharpness of that bend.

>>Hey guys, does anyone have a dyno sheet a the basic vortech blower installed on a e36 m3? i am dieing to put one on but i hear the gains arn't really worth the cash. let me know what you guys think

<<

Bigmans, just look at the plot on my sig line.

RyanC, have you considered getting the OBD-1 manifold? I wonder if that would net you some horsies? When AA tunes a chip for their "kit" do they tune for a stock car, or do they tune with your modifications in mind?

When I called them, I asked how the software works--meaning: if I'm not happy with the curve, can I send it back to get it fixed, and I believe the responce was that unless something is wrong with it, they'll charge me money. Also, I was worried about the power, and was told that if I don't get at least 285rwhp on my dyno (or there abouts), I can send the ECU back, and they'd work with me.

I'd hate it if I spent all that money and they'd charge me to modify anything with my ECU. In fact, that's the only reason I'd go to AA, is because I want to keep my stock OBD-II/ECU.

Also, I'm in CT.. and would love to check out your car if you're ever around, or I can drive up and see you.

Thanks a lot,

Boris

RyanC -

Thanks for the updates. I'm still in the process of getting one for my M3. I've been talking with Karl and he seems excited about the kit. I can't wait to get mine.

Keep the updates coming!

Paul, I have no explanation for the higher stock numbers, but my car seemed to be a strong one from the factory.

I don't know why you attribute Kevlars quote to me? I never said it makes full boost at 3k rpms, and neither did AA. At 3k I make between 2-3 psi, 4k is about 3.5psi, 5k is about 4.5psi, 6k is about 7psi. Up to 9psi at an indicated 7k on the tach. It's hard to get precise numbers as it fluctuates a bit with temp, plus I try to watch the road and not my boost gauge when I drive :D

I don't know if that bend in the tubing is a problem or not. It's consistent in it's diameter, but I'm not an engineer so I can't give you any cool formulas to figure it out :)


Boris, I have an OBD-I intake manifold sitting about 4 feet from me. I'm waiting on the group buy to get the pieces I need to fit it to my car with a minimum amount of hassle. Karl said I most likley won't need to get a chip remapped for it, since there's a lot of fuel in the chip as is. However, if I need a remap I'm sure he will take care of it. I don't know why you would expect free software updates for your car if there isn't a problem? I can see a shop taking care of something they did incorrectly, but if you make a change to a kit that would require software changes, you should pay for them.

dave is cool, my car hasn't run yet. One Lap is in a month, in the three previous years I've driven other peoples cars ('95 supercharged M3, 400whp '91 911 turbo, '02 GTI 1.8T). I can't disclose the costs as I have a sponsorship relationship with Rotrex and Active Autowerke, but I certainly didn't get anything for free :)

Hi Ryan,

>>At 3k I make between 2-3 psi, 4k is about 3.5psi, 5k is about 4.5psi, 6k is about 7psi. Up to 9psi at an indicated 7k on the tach<<

Which is real similar to my Vortech psi numbers! My psi numbers come pretty close to matching my rpm numbers, ie, at 3k rpms making 3 psi, 4k rpms making 4 psi. This holds to between 4k and 5k rpms. From there on up, of course, the psi numbers climb more quickly, otherwise it would be impossible to achieve 11 psi at just 7k rpms. But as we all know, its not linnear because of the rapid uptick in boost near the upper part of the rpm band.

>>I don't know if that bend in the tubing is a problem <<

Im sure its not.....I was just struck by the severity of the bend, like it bends right over on itself at 180 degrees. MOst of the other blower kits feature a less severe bend, but I doubt it negatively impacts things.

>>the car performs better than I had hoped for, and it drives like stock when it's not on boost. It's making 8.5psi at redline, fyi.<<

Ryan, any thoughts of trying a minor bump in boost to perhaps 10 or 11 psi? I would try it ( I DID try it!) accompanied, perhaps, by the water injection?? Most kits can handle a small increase like that. For example, did you know that many of the Dinan kits came with 8 psi out of the box, while others came with 6-7 psi, due to a difference in sc pulley size being used?

Paul, I don't know that the blower will support more boost. Karl says no, but the flow charts Rotrex shows say maybe. He doesn't think the maps are right, though. I think if I wanted more power I'd do it without more boost, ala OBD-I intake manifold and headers. I don't want to push my luck with more boost, since I do a lot of track driving. I probably could up the boost without adding WI though, since I have a pretty big intercooler up front. I want to pick up an OBD-II scanner though, so I can log temp data at the track. But that's just one extra expense in a long line of mods, heheh. :)
Ryan

Ryan,

If you, or anyone else, ever instruments a Rotrex I would LOVE to see the outlet temp of the compressor under a variety of conditions.

Matter of fact, if anyone gets an AA kit installed and is somewhat local to me (Northeastern MD), I would offer to hook up my data acquisition system to it (assuming we can find a relatively non-intrusive point to put some temp sensors) to read the temperatures from this beast...

Steve

As would I steve, pls post your findings:)

Originally posted by stimpee
Ryan,

If you, or anyone else, ever instruments a Rotrex I would LOVE to see the outlet temp of the compressor under a variety of conditions.

Matter of fact, if anyone gets an AA kit installed and is somewhat local to me (Northeastern MD), I would offer to hook up my data acquisition system to it (assuming we can find a relatively non-intrusive point to put some temp sensors) to read the temperatures from this beast...

Steve

steve you might have the chance alot sooner than you think. i know of at least 3 people in this area about to place orders :D

jeff

Just let me know. I'll just need to buy an extra sensor or two, and a few cables...

Have to figure out where to tap into the piping for the sensors too. The temp sensors I am using thread into an 1/8NPT port...

Of course, nobody will probably believe my data if it is not "positive", but I'll feel better!!!

Too bad some of you aren't willing to wait for the twin-screw to be done...

:D

Steve

you wanna give us a preview of what we would be waiting for ? :stickoutt

you've only given us vague descriptions...maybe if you provide some details, some of us might wait :D

jeff

Dunno what details to give without pics...

The details are simple. I am shooting for having the BEST supercharger system available for BMW 6 cylinder engines. That is best from the standpoint of overall performance, engineering, quality, and tuning.

If anyone wants more details or wants to ask more questions, either PM/email me, or start a new thread. I don't want to get chastised for "hijacking".

I REALLY do want to know what the outlet temps of the Rotrex are...

Steve

I do too esp since Karl doesn't think the maps are accurate.....

Originally posted by stimpee
Dunno what details to give without pics...
The details are simple. I am shooting for having the BEST supercharger system available for BMW 6 cylinder engines. That is best from the standpoint of overall performance, engineering, quality, and tuning.
If want to know what the outlet temps of the Rotrex are...
Steve


You really make me laugh :laugh :biglaughb :laugh . Everything to you is TWIN SCREW, TWIN SCREW!!! If its not your system, you want to find away to downsize it so you can make your system seem so superior. I have been hearing about your system for over four months now. Still no pics, no power gains, no nothing :dunno . BTW, if you want to know what the outlet temps are, why dont you buy one. THEY ARE FOR SALE AS OF RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!! :buttrock :buttrock

Originally posted by Prestige329i
BTW, if you want to know what the outlet temps are, why dont you buy one. THEY ARE FOR SALE AS OF RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!! :buttrock :buttrock

Because I don't want one. :nono

Thanks for the constructive response, BTW.

I was responding to a request for info. If you don't like it, don't read it. I'm sorry it is taking me so long to get done... Good for you, bad for me... :buttrock

If the AA system was properly engineered, you would know what the outlet temps are, and not be afraid to present them. It would be a piece of information I would want to know PRIOR to buying your system, not measured after the fact. In my humble opinion of course...

As for the pictures, performance gains, dynos, etc, it will be here, when it is here, and it will be available for all to see...

:atom

Steve (Mr. Twin Screw on the Brain...)

Prestige329i, I think your comments to Steve are really uncalled for. For instance,

>>Everything to you is TWIN SCREW, TWIN SCREW!!! If its not your system, you want to find away to downsize it so you can make your system seem so superior<<

This is complete bull. Hes been working hard on the only PD blower system for our cars in the market. This is not going to be a simple re-work of an existing system. Its engineered from scratch. IF youve never done it, you have no right implying that its taking too long, for you apparently have no idea what's involved. The points he's been making about his system arent 'hype'. They apply to all PD systems, not his alone. Hes not putting down other systems just for the sake of putting them down. There are certain factual representations he has made about PD systems, and these points can be proven empirically.

>>Still no pics, no power gains, no nothing <<

Youre only complaining because youre probably used to teh other guys who are more into marketing than they are into engineering. In case you havent noticed, Steve's not using a particularly 'hard sell' here. To the contrary, hes been very low key with it. He's not asking anybody to 'wait' for his system, and his sales targets are extremely low. Basically, if you like the idea of a PD system for the 3 series, if you like the direction he's taken and the team he's assembled, you'll wait and see what presented. He's making no claims he cant substantiate. Instead of titillating the group with pie in the sky numbers that cant be substantiated, hed rather wait until a completely working and replicatable (in its entirety) proto is up and running, and instrumentable. And, because he's approaching this as a hobby instead of a business, he has other concerns to attend to, to support this venture, which he dare not (twin)screw up.

I have no idea where your hostility is coming from, but I really think you owe him an apology. He's really out there as a pioneer on this one, and he deserves your respect, not your derision. I think he has it from most forum members.

Umm, Steve, what FI system on the market gives you the outlet temps? As far as I know, that info isn't available from anyone. Not RMS, ESS, AA, Dinan...

Yes outlet temps are important so you don't fry things and the car runs well, but software seems to be the truely limiting factor on all the FI cars.

Since the rotrex charger is really just a gear driven turbo impellor, I'll step out on a limb and say it's outlet temps are going to be very similar to a low boost turbo. With the size of the intercooler that's included with the AA kit, I'd be very surprised if the air temps right before the throttle body weren't within 15 degrees of ambient. That IC is *huge* and it's front mounted...

AA tested the inlet and outlet boost readings from the intercooler and didnt lose any pressure at all. This was on the 325i setup. I know its not the temperature you're looking for but just some thought

Originally posted by DocWyte
Umm, Steve, what FI system on the market gives you the outlet temps? As far as I know, that info isn't available from anyone. Not RMS, ESS, AA, Dinan...

Yes outlet temps are important so you don't fry things and the car runs well, but software seems to be the truely limiting factor on all the FI cars.

Since the rotrex charger is really just a gear driven turbo impellor, I'll step out on a limb and say it's outlet temps are going to be very similar to a low boost turbo. With the size of the intercooler that's included with the AA kit, I'd be very surprised if the air temps right before the throttle body weren't within 15 degrees of ambient. That IC is *huge* and it's front mounted...

I never implied anyone else provides this info, only that I would want it before plunking down my own cash on a system. That's because I am a geek...

The reason I am asking for it is simply to satisfy my own curiosity based on things I have heard and questions I have about the Rotrex design. Nothing more, nothing less. No derision express or implied.

Steve

Steve's so hung up on the PD for the exact same reason that so many OEM car engineers are, its superior fundamental design.

I'm very interested to know what the AA outlet temps are too, not to discredit anyone but for my own knowledge (I'm sure that's the same reason steve wants to know too), once we have those #'s I'd really like to compare/contrast them to steve's #'s and Dinan/RMS #'s.

It's just the engineer's mind, always thirsty for information.


EDIT: simultaneous poster :p

BTW "Prestige", I have been very careful to do my best to not be unreasonably critical or make any "personal" attacks to any of the individuals and companies that will ultimately be my competition.

Matter of fact I have even recommended people to AA and RMS in the past based on their needs or timeframe. So, if I have done anything to anyone that they take as an "attack" from me, I apologize.

However, most/all of my discussions when it comes to tuning, types of compressors, etc are based on FACT, and until you or someone else can refute that information with fact and evidence, you have no basis to criticize me.

The only COMPLAINT that anyone has a right to for what I have done on this forum is that I have occasionally "hijacked" threads (but fully intentionally) to espouse the positive points of the PD blower, due to my excitement for what I am working on.

The marketplace can then make its decision on its own...

I can see why Jim Conforti says that none of the SERIOUS tuners have a presence on these boards. My time here will probably be limited as I go forward.

You may all start clapping now...

Signing off of this one...

Steve

Steve -

If you ever want, I'm sure Phil, Sean, Russ, Jeff or myself are willing to go out there to see you. Be a nice scenic trip and let you get any of the readings that you would need. Plus, we could then see the mad scientist in action :D

Or, if you ever want to come by on a Saturday -- feel free.

I can see why Jim Conforti says that none of the SERIOUS tuners have a presence on these boards. My time here will probably be limited as I go forward.

Ok, so now it's time to take your toys and go home? C'mon Steve, you're a bigger guy than that. Your contributions (when they aren't hijacks, intended or otherwise) are valuable here, it'd be a shame for you to go away so you can somehow become more 'serious'. Besides, how would you be able to keep teasing us with your PD 'kit'? ;)

Well, I have seen many people "chased off" by personal attacks, etc. Things have been very mild here except for Mr. William Regal, and Prestige, both with "strong ties" or support from AA, I might add.

I'm just trying to say that I will stick around as long as I feel welcome. If pressure or personal attacks become the "norm", then I will bail, or turn to lurker. That is all.

Also, I recall a bunch of teasing "Looky looky what we have, but I won't tell you anything about it or even IMPLY what TYPE of compressor we are using" from AA quite a while back before their kit was released.

I also recall a certain board member (ME if you guys don't remember) figuring out what they were using simply by powers of deduction and looking at the dyno curve before they even said what type of kit hey were developing. I don't recall AA caving to the pressure to show pics, etc prior to being "ready", and I don't intend to do so either...

NoSoup, Don't worry, i will be heading down that way soon enough, but I am hoping to do it in my BMW, which implies that it will need to be DONE before that happens!!

:D

Steve