i've been considering buying an 02 for some time now, but recently came across a 1967 1600, in what appears to be great condition, with very low original miles.

the car is complete, no apprarant rust issues, and it retains the original 6 volt system.


i plan to actually DRIVE the car, so im wondering what a 12 volt conversion would entail, and, if there are any specific drawbacks to owning a 1600 as opposed to an early 2002, engine size aside.

The draw backs are the 6volt and hard to find parts: front calipers are 1 piston, like first 200 02's made & a different driveshaft, + porsche syncroes in the gear box.


Hasa anything been upgrated yet in this car or it is all original?

its all original, with the exception of the muffler, but the original muffler is included with the car.

48,000 miles.

no rust issues, brakes rebuilt, hoses and belts replaced, battery, tires, etc.

(all the rubber stuff replaced)

interior is great, no dash issues.

headliner is intact and clean, seats have no tears.

carpet is worn but intact.

price may be a deciding factor. have you also located a 2002?

That 1600 sounds nice. Check it again for rust. If it's really all original, it's a keeper, even with 6-volt system. If you need a daily driver, then maybe its not for you. It sounds like a great weekend car, though. Pictures?

well, i have a daily driver (E36 M3 sedan), so thats not a concern.

im mainly looking for a cool old bmw to putt around in on sunny days, but one that isnt going to require a ton of work in order to enjoy it.


heres some pics.




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That thing looks very nice. 1600's are very cool and 67's are very rare.

I say buy it!

Buy it and keep it stock. I'm not big on "originality", but I'd make an exception for that car. It's too nice to start updating. Keep a good example of that vintage. Just my two cents. Noel

Neat! I saw an orignall low mileage 1600 at the last Friends Drive. Definitely a hit!

A photo of that car was posted up on 02Faq the other day in a colour identification thread. Id buy that one if i were you - just take off the exhaust and go back to the original. The twin centre exhaust just doesnt suit the car IMHO. That is one of the nicest original 02s ive seen and it looks very well sorted. Get a new carpet kit and go drivin'!

edit/ rare colour too I think

well, i'm planning to fly out to see it in the next few days. if it's as nice as the photos suggest, i'll be buying it on the spot.

thanks much for the advice.. this seems like a good one, and the seller seemed like a genuinely nice guy.. not a scammer.

the only thing that concerns me is the 6 volt system. ive owned early VWs that were 6 volt, and i remember them being really weak in the accessory department. lights being dim at night, etc..

is there a common conversion procedure?

Very, very nice example. You should crab it-there is not that many of them around, the color is a nazi one, but I have not seen em in this color either.

Great car but...it has rust

Great car but...it has rust

have you been to see it?


just curious, because i couldnt see any rust evident in the pics.

have you been to see it?


just curious, because i couldnt see any rust evident in the pics.

No...But you soon learn after owning a 2002 that no matter how much rust you cant see there is always rust...Unless that is of course you stripped it, sand blast ect ect ect


BUT! Thats an awesome looking ride gl with it :redspot

He refers to the fact that there will be rust inside the panels where you can't get to even with a car that has spent all its life in the desert.


No rust only in thsoe cars that were properly treated with anti-rust product inside those places and the ones tanked in acid.

Dont be discouraged, it is part of owning an 02.

This car might have no rust you will be able to find and it seems to be very loved

yeah.. i hear ya...
a few years back i purchased a 1963 vw notchback from a guy in arizona, "rust free", the whole deal..

when i did take it apart, i found a small amount of rust inside the fenders, but nothing major.. sandbalsted the insides of the fenders, treated them w por-15, and put em back on.. end of story.. hopefully this car has a similar deal.

it's spent it's whole life in CT, since the original owner, but was garage kept.. hoping none of the road salt made it's way inside! (too much)

it's spent it's whole life in CT, since the original owner, but was garage kept.. hoping none of the road salt made it's way inside! (too much)

Wow, that car is pristine for a CT car. :eek:

a rare and exceptional car...i wouldn't hesitate to buy it and i'd absolutely keep it original

She looks very very nice.When you get back let me know we have a nice group local 02 people to help you out.
Jonathan
72 Inka 2002 tii

Hope you get it! - take lots of photos and post them up. I cant get enough of this car!

Buy it. Dig them solid metal interior door handles and the yurro bumper(s)!

1600's buzz around nicely with the 4.10 stock gears!


Cheers,

Ray

hehe and Ray will buy those solid door handles off you!

http://www.sethciferri.com/1600/1600/10.bmp


Anyone know where I can get a tube like the one coming off of the intake manifold with the whole setup running to the heatshield?

I just tried to post a URL link but it said I have no permissions to do so.

I have seen this car in person as I contemplated buying it over 3 weeks ago. I spent almost 4 hours going over this car. I posted some comments on the FAQ board (I can give you the direct link via email since this site won't let me post it).

It IS indeed very original and a very rare early VIN BMW 1600. The earliest import I have ever heard of in the US to my knowledge so far. But, it does have a few issues you may want to consider for the money. It is not perfect and it DOES have some rust to deal with. Email me.

mars_mann AT hotmail.com

I copied and pasted here part of the response I had left on the 2002FAQ board several weeks ago:

>>>>>>
VIN 1521040

After seeing the car I can tell you:

1. 2nd gear synchro is shot
2. Shifter linkage is sloppy
3. Car has scuffs (some down to the metal) all along the driver side
4. Body has dings on driver side
5. All trim has dings (center grill, pass grill, beltline)
6. Roof has significant dents. Feels like a ruffles potato chip
7. Small silver dollar rust hole on pass side floor - easy fix
8. Repainted (in original Tampico) in the 80's

The good:

1. * Very * original, 98% rust free (except for the 1 hole)
2. No leaks in engine, runs strong
3. Recent new parts (tuneup stuff)
4. Decent documentation
5. Interior is virtually perfect. Only the carpet needs replacing. The rest is 100% excellent shape. No dash cracks, mylar is good, seats are perfect and door panels/headliner is good

This car needs very little to be made perfect. Just needs small rust hole repaired, light body work done (and repainted in my opinion), and the tranny fixed or replaced. The question is more about how much it is worth $$$...

>>>>>
I struggled with this car due to its originality and rarity. He and I went back and forth a bit on it. I ultimately decided to pass on it. If you were to get it I would not change it to 12v. You can still get 6v parts here and there and it would be a shame to alter such a rare early example. Also, I could not confirm that the mileage is really 48k. It could be 148k since the odometers only have 5 digits. There is documentation with it but only in the very recent years other than the estate papers (where it came from) where they recorded the mileage. But, that was based on just looking at the odometer.

good luck.

thanks much!
i'll email you tonight to get some more of the lowdown...
i was planning on flying up there on sunday. maybe you saved me a trip.

only small whole in the floor. No surface rust anywhere else or other hidden rot?

Hmm...Any local mechanic he can have it taken to that know their stuff?

Mat McGinn?

I have seen this car in person at Lime Rock (not at the 02 fest) and it did look original and a GREAT place to start. I would keep it 6volt too.

John

it sounds awesome, but i have sworn off project cars.

ive started several over the years, and have only finished one. i still have 5 projects now, of which i plan to keep 3.

if i bought that car, id end up stripping the whole car to bare metal and dropping 20k on a resto, which anyone who's ever done a proper restoration knows, is easy to do... usually followed by losing your ass on the car, once you're forced to sell it.



that said... im looking for something finished, or really close to being completed.


ps, in any color other than malaga!

ive started several over the years, and have only finished one. i still have 5 projects now, of which i plan to keep 3.

Ah ha! You've made me feel so much better now. Thanks for making my weekend. :)

hahaha.. no prob!

i think it's pretty common for guys to go from one project to another..

and to lose their asses on them.


im currently "working on" 2 late 60's fiberglass VW based buggies, a 1972 chevy C-10, a 1995 318ti, and a 1974 chevy nova.


the truck and the buggies are the keepers.


hoping to sell the 318ti when i get it back from the paint shop, as well as sell the E21 320iS, and my E36 M3.

now if i can just find a finished 02, i'd be set.

the car is very solid and clean and VERY worthy of a *light* renovation in my opinion.

There is only a small hole in the passenger floor and some very light surface rust on the rear wheel well and some rust coloring along the driver side scrapes but that is it. It really is a very solid body. Underneath, trunk, inside the fenders all very dry and solid. Car was stored in doors all of its life and it shows.

I honestly can tell you all it needs is the dents pounded out/up from the roof, fix the light dings on the driver side and sand down the paint and repaint it and she would look as good as new. Mechanically speaking swap the tranny/fix tranny or double clutch all the time so the 2nd gear synchro doesn't snarl at you.

I passed on it only because I calculated how much "I" would have put into it and it went over what I wanted to budget at this time for a 2nd project.

On this car, you will not be getting much more going to 12 volts. And you will lose the uniqueness. If you want brighter lights, I would suggest installing some driving lights. The reason the lights are dim is only when the engine is running under 1500 rpm (you probably have a generator). For the starter, put in a second 6v and isolate the starter circuit that will run in series but be charged in parallel. Bottom line is live with the 6V.

BTW, what is the manufacturers number on that car?

Dieter Schmied


well, i'm planning to fly out to see it in the next few days. if it's as nice as the photos suggest, i'll be buying it on the spot.

thanks much for the advice.. this seems like a good one, and the seller seemed like a genuinely nice guy.. not a scammer.

the only thing that concerns me is the 6 volt system. ive owned early VWs that were 6 volt, and i remember them being really weak in the accessory department. lights being dim at night, etc..

is there a common conversion procedure?