so im getting kinda tired ofmy contours. at first, i wanted to pick up another set of contours and just run the rears all the way around. i love basket weave style rims and stuff with a nice fat dish. i see a lot of rims i like but i dont want to spend 2 grand on a set of rims. just recently purchased some volks for the girlfriend so im broke i guess. what do you guys recommend??

i like smaller type rims and i would like lightweight. love bbs but too pricey. dont mind buying used what-so-ever. would like to keep it under a thousand if possible.

my current setup (exterior):

97 m3 front bumper cover with chinspoiler.
H&R coilovers in front. bilstein + groundcontrol coilover in rear (pretty slammed, wont go any lower)
let me know what you guys think!!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/sideangle2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/hondatechbmw328ti.jpg

How about asa ar1's?

How about asa ar1's?

yeah those look really good. 17's with a nice agressive tire.... keep em comin!

I'm going Kosei K1 245/40/17 all around in the near future :)

Team Dynamics, Pro-Race series

https://secure15.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/images/Pro%20Race%201%20Silver_m.jpg

Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 - 17x8, E36/46

These wheels have been speced by Bimmerworld to meet our demanding requirements for a lightweight race wheel. This means no spacers or hubcentric rings required for most applications (use of spacers is sometimes prefered for some track requirements). We have proven that these wheels will take a beating - multiple track weekends on this design have resulted in zero bent wheels, even while hitting curbs on the track very hard. At about 17 pounds, this is the only wheel we have found that combines lightweight design and strength at this price.


https://secure15.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/images/pro%20race2%20silver.jpg

Team Dynamics Pro Race 2 - 16x7, E36/E46

These wheels have been speced by Bimmerworld to meet our demanding requirements for a lightweight race wheel. This means no spacers or hubcentric rings required for most applications (use of spacers is sometimes prefered for some track requirements). These are the only wheels we offer in a 16" fitment for E36 and E46 cars in the SCCA ITS class racing and other performance applications. 16" wheels weight 15.3 pounds! 35mm offset, also clears stock E36 M3 brakes and most brake kits up to 332mm.

buy my rims...

I just got my TI and though I love it I'm quickly finding out that this the bmw choice for ricers. :( No wunder the rest of the bmw world shun us.

I just got my TI and though I love it I'm quickly finding out that this the bmw choice for ricers. :( No wunder the rest of the bmw world shun us.It's become very affordable. I see it in the ti's bigger cousins too now. Why make your Honduh look like a BMW when you can buy a 318i, take off the badge, cut the springs and add 4 fog lights? Oh, and stick a big coffee can on the exhaust.

ya i agree but then again there are those who can smoke any m3 with their ti ... i just do it in the turns ... not so much of a straight away car yet ....but make fun of me if you want i plan to run one of the first bimmers in the formula d drift series ... and im prety close to it

The e30 M3 isn't a drag-racer. the 325is will take it, but on the right roads/track you can't have a better friend.

Same kinda goes with the Ti. I would love a 323ti, hell I'm on the verge of starting to gather the parts for a M50 swap on the Club Sport, cause I'm wanting a DOHC Six, to start working on. Just I can't find a chassis I love as much as Ti overall. The Z3M are nice, but I just love the little notch of the Hatch and the bold front of the e36 BMW.

I'm not talking about people who mod there engine to get more power. thats fine...I'm talking about the black hoods...Rice rims..stickers and the rest of that crap.

I am just saying the Ti is cliche car. Like the e28 guys, the 2002 guys...we kinda just do our own thing and let the world do theirs.

I am just saying the Ti is cliche car.
I don't mean to be pedantic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic), but... do you perhaps mean "niche (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/niche)" rather than "cliche (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cliche)"?? :D

"Clique" late edit "an informal and restricted social group formed by people who share common interests"

work meister S1's FTW ! ahah

hey how do you like the Bilstein / GC setup ?

im thinking of doing that myself, but all around.

work meister S1's FTW ! ahah

hey how do you like the Bilstein / GC setup ?

im thinking of doing that myself, but all around.
The GC/Bilstein combo rocks, my setup is in the sig.

ok well im back in town now and my freakin thread has been HIJACKED

The kosei's look sweet though... need something that looks evil.. huge lip. polished. i dunno. so far the asa's im liking the most..


and dont give me this crap about ti's being rice. as far as im concerned, the rest of the bmw world should look up to us.. considering we are the only thing that differentiates the e36 crowd. i mean come on...
its all choice

The GC/Bilstein combo rocks, my setup is in the sig.

its stiff... but soft. super nice on e30's... which is half of our suspension

need something that looks evil.. huge lip. polished.


My rims fit the description;) PM me interested

I think M3 CSL rims look amazing on the ti. Special one lowered like yours!

i saaaid Work Meister S1's FTWWW !

http://www.d2autosport.com/wheels/works/meisterS13pc.jpg

I think M3 CSL rims look amazing on the ti. Special one lowered like yours!

any pics ?

http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12025

Look for the alpine white with CSLs

dayummm ! thats hot, minus the e46 style grill

The S1's are hot

ok well im back in town now and my freakin thread has been HIJACKED

The kosei's look sweet though... need something that looks evil.. huge lip. polished. i dunno. so far the asa's im liking the most..


and dont give me this crap about ti's being rice. as far as im concerned, the rest of the bmw world should look up to us.. considering we are the only thing that differentiates the e36 crowd. i mean come on...
its all choice

I'll give you the crap...The black hood is riced. period. Way to make a fine piece of german engineering look like every other honda rolling down the road. Big ups dog..:(

What about some OZ Wheels,not that expensive and very lightweight.

i saaaid Work Meister S1's FTWWW !

http://www.d2autosport.com/wheels/works/meisterS13pc.jpg



any pics ?

thanks man... those are freakin nuts. kinda looks like my friends ssr's right next to my car in my first post..

I'll give you the crap...The black hood is riced. period. Way to make a fine piece of german engineering look like every other honda rolling down the road. Big ups dog..:(

ok asshole. first off, i bought my car with ZERO interior, and ZIP in the engine bay. NOTHING. i took a rolling chassis and built it back. its now got a low mileage m52 and rollin strong. pullin high 13's and an e36 4door m3 dash DOG. bmw parts are expensive BRO and ive already got 10k dollars in the car. i mean, what you got done to your car? clear corner upgrades? sweeeet. the list of upgrades on my car, which might i add, are all reputable aftermarket brands and OR bmw oem parts, is guaranteed more than you realize so need not throw out stupid comments like that.

thanks man... those are freakin nuts. kinda looks like my friends ssr's right next to my car in my first post..



ok asshole. first off, i bought my car with ZERO interior, and ZIP in the engine bay. NOTHING. i took a rolling chassis and built it back. its now got a low mileage m52 and rollin strong. pullin high 13's and an e36 4door m3 dash DOG. bmw parts are expensive BRO and ive already got 10k dollars in the car. i mean, what you got done to your car? clear corner upgrades? sweeeet.

Is this a mod contest? Can I join? :confused

Is this a mod contest? Can I join? :confused

yessir... lets do it

thanks man... those are freakin nuts. kinda looks like my friends ssr's right next to my car in my first post..



ok asshole. first off, i bought my car with ZERO interior, and ZIP in the engine bay. NOTHING. i took a rolling chassis and built it back. its now got a low mileage m52 and rollin strong. pullin high 13's and an e36 4door m3 dash DOG. bmw parts are expensive BRO and ive already got 10k dollars in the car. i mean, what you got done to your car? clear corner upgrades? sweeeet. the list of upgrades on my car, which might i add, are all reputable aftermarket brands and OR bmw oem parts, is guaranteed more than you realize so need not throw out stupid comments like that.

I don't care what's under the hood. Thats great that you put oem bimmer parts in it and it sounds like you made a hell of car perforance wise. But the black hood LOOKS rice. It LOOKS like something a kid driveing a civic would do. Thats my opinion. If you can't handle someone giving a negative comment about your car then don't put pics of it on an open forum. My car is stock and thats the way I like it...I wouldn't put clear corners on my car because once again I want to maintain the class of bmw..not make it look like something the little kids are doing to there rice rockets down town.

maybe you've never purchased a new hood before. they come black. its painted now, but its ok. rice rockets for the win i guess. sounds like you're making excuses for your car being slow to me. its cool though. i understand.

Well okay then..if it was just a new hood I didn't realize that. I'm not makeing any excuses for my cars. :rolleyes I think if you look at my posts I never made mention of the speed of my cars. If I wanted it to be fast I would mod it. Money isn't a problem. I like my ti for what it is...a little 4 banger thats still fun to drive in the twisties to get me back and fourth to work. I have no will to do anything to make it something it's not. My 325is is definitly the faster car and it's more then fast enough for me. I thought your hood was black because you wanted it that way..not because you were waiting to get it painted. On the plus side I do dig your rims. They upgrade the look of your car without makeing it look ghetto..That in my opinion is what a good bmw mod does!

http://www.318ti.org/gallery/data/500/medium/BMW_CSL_on_Ti_Side.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

are these the csl rims? and what size like 225/40/18?

or these

http://www.318ti.org/gallery/data/500/642318ti_Jan05.JPG

sorry for taking the thread but what do you guys think of clears corners front and back? just wondering

I think you should have started another thread for your question about corners... unless your question is somehow relevant to the original questions posed by scabzzzz and I'm just missing the connection. :-)

BTW... scabzzzz... you may not realize it, but what you're really jonesin' for is CHROME, baby! Specifically some nice, shiney, 16" Star Spoke 55's! And you're in luck because I happen to know a local source of the wheels that you've been unconsciously lusting for. LOL

I think you should have started another thread for your question about corners... unless your question is somehow relevant to the original questions posed by scabzzzz and I'm just missing the connection. :-)

sorry roadrash!! didn't mean to do this!! will definetly start a new thread!!

No sweat, kickass95318ti, I'm not trying to play "thread police" here. But, the fact is your question will get noticed faster and you'll get more/better responses if it's posted somewhere more relevant.

JMJ

Well okay then..if it was just a new hood I didn't realize that. I'm not makeing any excuses for my cars. :rolleyes I think if you look at my posts I never made mention of the speed of my cars. If I wanted it to be fast I would mod it. Money isn't a problem. I like my ti for what it is...a little 4 banger thats still fun to drive in the twisties to get me back and fourth to work. I have no will to do anything to make it something it's not. My 325is is definitly the faster car and it's more then fast enough for me. I thought your hood was black because you wanted it that way..not because you were waiting to get it painted. On the plus side I do dig your rims. They upgrade the look of your car without makeing it look ghetto..That in my opinion is what a good bmw mod does!

high five dude!

:redspot

sorry for taking the thread but what do you guys think of clears corners front and back? just wondering

speaking of clear corners, i have an idea to throw on some yellow laminX on my corners. i would actually rather have my orange ones back instead of the clear... anyone ever heard of yellow corners on e36's? never seen it around...

BTW... scabzzzz... you may not realize it, but what you're really jonesin' for is CHROME, baby! Specifically some nice, shiney, 16" Star Spoke 55's! And you're in luck because I happen to know a local source of the wheels that you've been unconsciously lusting for. LOL

:help



:redspot[/quote]

i would actually rather have my orange ones back instead of the clear...
I'd expect it would be easier to find someone who wants clear corners and just swap with them. Heck, you could probably even get the stock corners plus some cash in exchange for your clears.

:help
LOL... Oh c'mon... you know I'm right! ;-)

JMJ

ok so basically... ive come to the conclusion that i want some bbs rims really bad. like some old school basket weaves or something. i dunno.
know where i can pick up some m roadster wheels for pretty cheap. those are pretty cool.
what you guys think about that?

I'd expect it would be easier to find someone who wants clear corners and just swap with them. Heck, you could probably even get the stock corners plus some cash in exchange for your clears.


LOL... Oh c'mon... you know I'm right! ;-)

JMJ

Yeah maybe im stupid i just dont really like clear corners on my car. never have really on any car. i like orange. i'd rather let my suspension and my motor do the talking. but anyways, yeah. im pretty much fiending for some chrome twankies son... haha. good call.:rolleyes

Which style BBS? I think I'd like some 17" BBS RA's, but haven't seen any. I assume there are more than one style of M Roadster wheels... which one do you have access to?

JMJ

Yeah maybe im stupid i just dont really like clear corners
Me either... I'm too lazy to type out the reason why though. I think smoked corners look a little better than clear in many cases.

im pretty much fiending for some chrome twankies son... haha. good call.:rolleyes
Ah HA! I knew it!!! LOL Hey, just to clarify, the chrome wheels weren't MY choice... they were on the car when I got it and are pretty much the last bit of bling that I need to get rid of.

JMJ

I think the M Roadster wheels are ~9" wide in the rear, and have pretty bad fitment for E36's the offset isnt right for our cars IIRC.

Which style BBS? I think I'd like some 17" BBS RA's, but haven't seen any. I assume there are more than one style of M Roadster wheels... which one do you have access to?

JMJ

yeah love the ra's... my dream wheel is of course the LM.. way to expensive for me though. any of the bbs's look good to me and look good on just about any year bmw that i've seen. the RG (i think) looks nice as well. its just some of them dont have a nice lip. i think my favorite in this post so far would be the asa's one guy mentioned. good price. nice weight.

I think the M Roadster wheels are ~9" wide in the rear, and have pretty bad fitment for E36's the offset isnt right for our cars IIRC.
dude my fenders are rolled so much its stupid. my friend that owned the car before me had 9's in the rear soo... think i should be ok. the roadster wheels would be coming from a 99 M Roadster. the 4 spoke pattern. huge lip in the rear. yum. not sure how it looks on the car though. never seen it.

ASA AR2 those would look good!! how much would the CLS's wheels be? would it mess up wheel well? the whole car is stock so..... thanks!

Yeah maybe im stupid i just dont really like clear corners on my car. never have really on any car. i like orange. i'd rather let my suspension and my motor do the talking. but anyways, yeah. im pretty much fiending for some chrome twankies son... haha. good call.:rolleyes

I just swapped back to the stock headlights, corners and side marker and couldn't be happier. The stock look is SOOOOOO classy. Especially when you have the power to defend it. :)

Is this a mod contest? Can I join? :confused

I have the biggest Ecock! I win FTMFFTB!

As to the black hood, it's black cause it's black unless you paint it...really WHO the fuck cares what color IT is, it's got a purpose weight reduction, in a car with a Sixer in the front that can mean something.

as to someone who has put their time/effort/money/and love into a car, any car it something they should be proud of,and I can't knock that.

Here is a pic I found of some M Roady wheels on a sedan. They don't really look good IMO.
Probably wouldnt look too good on a ti either.

Although, the wheels look AMAZING on the front.

More info on this link:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481247&referrerid=&highlight=roadster+wheels

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/E28535i/IMG_0972.jpg

I have the biggest Ecock! I win FTMFFTB!

As to the black hood, it's black cause it's black unless you paint it...really WHO the fuck cares what color IT is, it's got a purpose weight reduction, in a car with a Sixer in the front that can mean something.

as to someone who has put their time/effort/money/and love into a car, any car it something they should be proud of,and I can't knock that.

spot on.... hood IS really light. and to be totally honest, i didnt paint the bitch for like 2 months lol. started to oxidize so i basically had to get my head out of my ass and paint it. oh well. thanks bro-dude-man!

Here is a pic I found of some M Roady wheels on a sedan. They don't really look good IMO.
Probably wouldnt look too good on a ti either.

Although, the wheels look AMAZING on the front.

More info on this link:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481247&referrerid=&highlight=roadster+wheels

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/E28535i/IMG_0972.jpg
i like this? i want rears all the way around. same with the contours, might just run rears all the way around. i have access to a few sets of contours anyways. Thanks guys for all the responses.

I think that M roady rims looks awsome on the ti. On my old one i had them minus the rear 9" wides. and it looked really good IMO. But they look realy bad on that sedan. But i think that the "smallness" of the ti makes it look good.

yeah you're probably right man. i cant help but think that 540 rims would look sweet on a ti as well... the more im at the shop and see all these 7 series and 5 series wheels, its like dayem... i need to try these out.


mmmm.. theres a guy that comes to the shop a lot with a 540 that has a euro M motor in it with track pipes.. hes selling it for 10k

[QUOTE=scabzzzz;8004387]so im getting kinda tired ofmy contours.[...]
let me know what you guys think!!

What about a E46 look-a-like hood conversion with a "bad look" just
the way you like... look at my car for example.

What about a E46 look-a-like hood conversion with a "bad look" just
the way you like... look at my car for example.[/quote]
hmm... blasphemy. interesting idea though.

ive already got an m3 front end conversion with the 97 grills. pretty content with that. i dont plan on having this car forever... my next purchase would probably be an e46 so i'll knock that one out by just having an e46.

hows the weather in germany?

Clear but cold, but not december-like cold, we
got the "warmest" november/december since weather
forecasting they say in tv...

If you buy a e46 you don't have a custom hood like me
now on my e36. ;) I don't like discreet styling.

When I did my custum hood I changed the grill to facelift
as well (facelift came in 09/96).

I want a badboy hood:evil2

Then go like this... :)
http://www.bmw-syndikat.de/cgi-bin/bmwuploaded/mconur22/IMG_234666666666666.JPG

Thats too much badboy for me. I would like it a little more subtle. Hey Nicore, thanks for all the pictures you sent me on Syndikat. I am going to flare the fenders soon.

Cool! Then lets some pics then.
By the way, do you have a website or something?
I would like to se mooooore pics of your car.

boser hood yeah if your modded enough but....flames? (*cough*) FLAMES? seriously dude...wtf.

S1's ftw ... omfg hawt

told you :]

Dont have much imput on the rims, but I love the car. Werent you lookin to sell her? I might be wrong but, did you post in the for sale forums?

I love team dynamics rims, and would have a set myself if they were deep dish. Talk about asking for curb rash.

Dont have much imput on the rims, but I love the car. Werent you lookin to sell her? I might be wrong but, did you post in the for sale forums?

Yeah its still for sell.
Trying to get into a 95 m3. Tired of trying to make a bmw an m3. Just going to skip that part and drive a real one.

My friend should be buying it for 9000$ so if anyones interested, still for sell.
Cant stop dropping money into it though :help:D

i am a vert guy here but the deepdish contours arent that bad

i am a vert guy here but the deepdish contours arent that bad

yeah i agree. car is for sale... if anyone is interested....sorry if this response is jacked.. ha. im on my phone. god i love technology.

What Kind Of Horses Are You Putting To The Rear Tire With That M52 Swap.

What Kind Of Horses Are You Putting To The Rear Tire With That M52 Swap.

I'm also interested in this, I'm sort of contemplating this swap now. :devillook

Honestly I dont even know. Ive never had the opportunity to dyno it. We dont have any good dynos around here. It pulls pretty hard though. 95 m3's arent a problem

You need some e39 540 rims Dave :)
Edit: With black centers

Rob buddy, Im hanging from your nutsack. And yes I know, would actually rather just have the 540 actually. Ive seen a bunch lately with the good rims, in fact there was a clean black one at the shop for an oil change yesterday, I skeeted 3 times.

Nothing wrong with an e39. Even the 540 makes your dick touch your nutsack under acceleration. You know all the problems to watch out for (valley pan, valve covers, etc).

I just like the fact that its so big when i get kicked out of my house i can sleep in my car.

I just like the fact that its so big when i get kicked out of my house i can sleep in my car.

lmao!

Aight sweet. So i just got my tax refund. Im thinking blow it on my car, right? Right. I knew I was doing the right thing. Ok, so. I believe im gonna get the bitch painted and buy a new hood to fit my 97 (updated faschia) M3 grills and insert. I am currently running a pre 97 grill insert and hood, spray paint style. But, fock, what should I do.

Should I do stock look? or carbon fiber hood???? What do you guys think? She once had a carbon fiber hood on it, but one of the hood latches broke on the interstate and flew up to break my car and the hood. So im kinda wanting to steer away, but after buying a hood and painting it, I could own throw a cf hood on it. Hellrot + carbon fiber?

Whats up guys talk to me. Think about those options plus a nice set of Rondell Style 58's..... :boobies
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/rondell_58_18x8.jpg

Hellrot + carbon fiber?

e36kevin's car:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7199/imgp0009editwr0.jpg

Man im just not feelin that. I've had a carbon fiber hood on before i guess the stock look is going to be choice. Probably bring the value up on the car.
thanks for the pic though.

scabzzz if you do go cf get some hood latches! my friend has a miata and he was on the high way and his hood flow up and he got hood latches and it now helps when he does like 90+mph

Why not get a CF hood, and paint it. Voila, best of both worlds. :)

And, those wheels look stunning, I dig them alot.

scabzzz if you do go cf get some hood latches! my friend has a miata and he was on the high way and his hood flow up and he got hood latches and it now helps when he does like 90+mph
Yeah thats the boat im in. The last CF hood had a hood latch that broke and the hood goes flying it destroying the windshield and laying 3 dents in the top. Haha.
Why not get a CF hood, and paint it. Voila, best of both worlds. :)

And, those wheels look stunning, I dig them alot.

Painting carbon fiber never works out in the end. Too much flex on the hood and the paint ends up chipping and cracking. Yes those wheels are :boobies. You can find them for a really awesome price too!

Ok boys and chicks... bumping this thread back from the dead..

After a year of blowing money, gf giving me rides back and forth and being pissed off about my car, its finally coming together so I decided break out the camera. Still has some things that need attention, but I got this car with no motor, no interior, no plastics anywhere, a rolling chassis.
Im stoked... Not looking for recognition, just another thread with some pictures. More professional looking pictures to come when I hook up with SpasticDwarf to do some better shots with my car and my stepdads mint e34 M5. To be continued...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000283.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000279.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000271.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000267.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000266.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000257-1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000284.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/scabzzzz/freshness/P1000274.jpg
Check out the climate controls. This is a '96 model chassis ;)

alright scabzzzz, where'd ya get that spoiler? I've been lookin for one, but all I could find are replicas. Is that one a rep? I don't care either way, I'm just wondering if the reps have a spot to mount the badge. Nice pics BTW, cars lookin good. Decided to keep the contours?

Edit, nice dash and the engine bay looks really clean & non cluttered.

Thanks Jess. No need for any of the bullshit in the engine bay like washer fluid and crap. No A/C, no antenna, no windsheild wipers. You know how I roll... but anyways..
The spoilers is Mtech, genuine style. Came on the car when I bought it but my car is a base model as far as I can tell. The car used to have Mtech 325 Hurricane vaders too.. that was a huge mistake getting rid of those.
I see that Platanos? is selling that roof spoiler. I would rather have that. You should pick it up while its still around!

The spoilers is Mtech, genuine style.
Speaking of that spoiler... here's a reminder: As soon as I get a decent job (or any job for that matter) and have some spare cash, I'm buying that spoiler from you. You don't have any say in the matter, it's sold. Well, I guess I could let you choose whether I buy it from you, or I steal it from you. LOL

And because I know you're going to ask, no, I will not trade my seats for it. But, I could be persuaded to trade my wheels for it. :D

Haha. Since you're so persistent about the situation, I'll sell it to you. I really wish you could get it from me quick, since theres a certain roof spoiler up for grabs on Ti.org. Hmmmm....

Hey Joey, whats up with all these stupid marathons downtown? I swear they only run around my building and it takes me 25 minutes to get to work 7 minutes down the street.

Once my "job / financial" situation changes for the better, we'll deal on the spoiler. Just remember, I've got dibs!

Yeah, I generally try to sleep in to avoid the madness on that morning. Heck, if you only live 7 minutes from work, you should be walking or riding a bike anyway! :-)

I work on Murfreesboro. So its like 7 in my car with ME driving it. Otherwise probably a 6 hour walk.