Gave an EVO owner a thumbs up on I-4 today and he did the same. I asked him is he wanted to do a 60mph roll on and he accepted. My reason for the challange was to see exactly how much faster a new EVO is. First run he misshifted fourth(while I was pulling him). Second run pulled him(1.5 lengths) through the end of fourth and we had to let off. I have never done this before so it was very exciting but very shocking. The EVO looked very new and seemed to have no mods but still? I have an 86,000mi m3/4 with a b&m ssk and a supersprint cat back. Does this sound right?

After the race I gave him another thumbs up and said "This baby cost me 16,000 bucks!"

Coach

Does not surprise me, they are only good off the line with the AWD. Highway speeds they are just average.

Not that surprising, they dont have much of a top end. From a dig though they are pretty quick and will jump out ahead.

Where do all these slow Evo's come from?

When I was stock I routinely crushed my friend in his M3 that was mildly modded.

Either way - good run!

By new you mean a IX correct? If so, I would have figured the evo doing better but I can say that when my VIII was stock I got walked several times at higher speed runs.

I don't really know how new. It was a real nice dark blue and the thing was spotless. Could not have been more than a year old. I kinda felt bad for the guy.

well the OP doesn't have a mod list, so i would assume he had a bunch of mods to beat that evo. i raced my friend's evo 9 from a roll and he would always beat me, with my front bumper at his rear tire.

anyways good race.

well the OP doesn't have a mod list, so i would assume he had a bunch of mods to beat that evo. i raced my friend's evo 9 from a roll and he would always beat me, with my front bumper at his rear tire.

anyways good race.

Wow do people pay that much attention to mods lists that they completely skip the post itself?

SSK and exhaust.

Maybe I should list all of mine so people don't miss this post too :shifty

Wow do people pay that much attention to mods lists that they completely skip the post itself?

SSK and exhaust.

Maybe I should list all of mine so people don't miss this post too :shifty

my bad, i got the colts vs patriot game going so i only glanced at the post.

shouldn't have happened. esp. if it was an IX.

ssk and an exhaust do not make it anymore believeable.


whatever, good kill.

I don't know if it was a IX, and the reason I posted the "Kill" was to find out if it was the norm.

Oh yea. I know my mods are neglagable.

good kill and it is totally reasonable as long as the car was a little bit older maybe a 2003 or 2004 and not an IX

good kill

my bad, i got the colts vs patriot game going so i only glanced at the post.

I'm doing the same thing, so no excuse :stickoutt

shouldn't have happened. esp. if it was an IX.

ssk and an exhaust do not make it anymore believeable.


whatever, good kill.

My thoughts too, can't be a IX but could be a VIII since boost tapers off at those speeds stock. OP said they went until the top of fourth which is around 120mph

Does not surprise me, they are only good off the line with the AWD. Highway speeds they are just average.Stck perhaps. But not a modded one. They can be modded to destroy an E60 m5 from a dig, to up top! Yes yes I know any car can be modded to run faster but these r 4 cyl cars!;)

The results sound just about right..... Nice Kill

Gave an EVO owner a thumbs up on I-4 today and he did the same. I asked him is he wanted to do a 60mph roll on and he accepted. My reason for the challange was to see exactly how much faster a new EVO is. First run he misshifted fourth(while I was pulling him). Second run pulled him(1.5 lengths) through the end of fourth and we had to let off. I have never done this before so it was very exciting but very shocking. The EVO looked very new and seemed to have no mods but still? I have an 86,000mi m3/4 with a b&m ssk and a supersprint cat back. Does this sound right?

After the race I gave him another thumbs up and said "This baby cost me 16,000 bucks!"

CoachAnything is possible. Good run.

Evo top end = blah. If its stock it won't be beating you at triple digit speeds, it is a 4 after all. If it has a Vishnu package, it will rape most anything though. (Depending on the package)

Evo top end = blah. If its stock it won't be beating you at triple digit speeds, it is a 4 after all. If it has a Vishnu package, it will rape most anything though. (Depending on the package)What would you say about the topend on this one! Remember it's just a 4cyl.

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/videos/nd-evo-9-brunters-2.wmv

:devillook

And here's another! 4 cyl with PLENTY of TOP END!

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/videos/channel5-driven.wmv

K

I didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone ever seen the torque of stock Evo...it's pretty embarrasing. Looks like a downhill slide from about 3-4k.

I didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone ever seen the torque of stock Evo...it's pretty embarrasing. Looks like a downhill slide from about 3-4k.Because of the stck boost solenoid. Remove that and place an aftermarket boost controller and you'll see an entirely different tq curve.

bimmers are built for the autobahn and are surprisingly top end fast even if they dont have alot of power. I dont even think my car is fast and i have beaten some cars on the freeway that deffinately would kill me from a stop.

bimmers are built for the autobahn and are surprisingly top end fast even if they dont have alot of power. I dont even think my car is fast and i have beaten some cars on the freeway that deffinately would kill me from a stop.:nono You aint beatin no stck EVO! Off the line or up top it aint happenin. You can forget that!

:nono You aint beatin no stck EVO! Off the line or up top it aint happenin. You can forget that!

Wow I don't think he ever said he would beat an EVO.
Calm down

I sure as hell didnt mean my car and an evo. I meant i am not that surprised about the m3. But slower cars that were fast for me, i am surprised that i beat those on top.

In a 325i?

Whay were those cars?

Rogo

What does "Whay were those cars Rogo" mean?

It means 'what were those cars'-those ones you found to be slower than you expected?

Rogo

1994 740iL with dat V8. WRX got me off the line but i caught up on the top. Acura ESX type S and i destroyed a Celica GTS 0 to 95 all the way. The new saab 9-3 2.0T. Mercedes C230 V6. I had the kompressor coupe and it was slow. That about does it for me.

i meant RSX type S

To all of you EVO guys saying "Where do all the slow EVOs come from?" Keep in mind, you are driving what is probably the second most common ricer car around, beat only by the Eclipse. The car's great, the owners generally not so much, performance wise. A Veyron in the hands of the wrong guy could get outrun by, hell, me! You get these people who can't shift well enough and they start racing people who can, it doesn't end in their favor.

And here's another! 4 cyl with PLENTY of TOP END!is this the part where i post a video of 1000+whp ICS performance M3 that gains traction only once past 100mph? it'll make that green piece of crap look like it is standing still.

point is with enough money you can make anything go fast.

is this the part where i post a video of ICS performance M3 that gains traction only once past 100mph? it'll make that green piece of crap look like it is standing still.

point is with enough money you can make anything go fast.

Unless that M3 has broken the 1000WHP mark, the Evo is still one up on it.

Edit: Nice edit. Glad I quoted you.

ICS had 1025whp M3 for at least a year. There are M3s with well over 1000whp that drag in europe. DA motorsports has 1000hp m3.
that green evo he posted doesnt even have 800whp.

http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/demo-evo9.htm


1422bhp

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PonqzltAj74&mode=related&search=

BTW, before you get off your high-horse, malter, coolcarski was talking about 4-cylinder cars with top-end, since the person he was responding to was being derogatory about them.

Considering Japanese inline-6's with less displacement have been making more power for a much longer time than ICS, and the fact that the Evo can generate just as much horsepower with two less cylinders, doesn't help your case much.

Hmm... I like it up on your high-horse. The view is pretty from up here.

Wow I don't think he ever said he would beat an EVO.
Calm downEat me! I'm reading behind what he's saying!

is this the part where i post a video of 1000+whp ICS performance M3 that gains traction only once past 100mph? it'll make that green piece of crap look like it is standing still.

point is with enough money you can make anything go fast.:lol Your funny in a clownish type of way that is! :devillook A BMW Drag car that can only be driven in a straight line no doubt.
Well how fast is George's M3 in the 1/4 mile?
He spent tons of cash as well. Does'nt take that much to have av EVO run 10's in comparison. He'll tell ya. Now I'm not taking anything away from George because he build's some wicked machines.

I'll give you over 50 EVo's and DSM's that run 10's and less and you give me the # of turbocharged M's that can say they've done the same! Like myself and Carmutt are saying"It's a 4 cylinder" Spartacus.:help


READ and LEARN! Plenty of 4 cyl AWD cars here with topend and low 1/4 mile time's here. Provide your list after ,I'd be interested in seeing it!:rolleyes

http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?Page=1


http://media.buschurracing.com/video/Buschur8secWebSite.wmv


988hp EVP (4 cylinder again Mate!) http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo/AMS988.wmv

http://www.amsperformance.com/videos.php

All the lil 4 cyl EVO videos your lil heart desires!;) :D
AWD's have no topend alot of folks are saying:confused :rolleyes

And here's another! 4 cyl with PLENTY of TOP END!

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/videos/channel5-driven.wmv

is that jason plato driving the stock evo????

I don't see a faily stock M3 coming anywhere close to a stock Evo. Yes the Evo's top end lacks a little. When my FD RX-7 just had a downpipe I would hang about dead even with a stock Evo 8 from a roll. And FD's are highway cars. When I had a full bolt-on FD I ran a 97 M3 with bolt-ons and literally put 15 cars on him. My recent 425 whp LS1 RX-7 got pulled by a stock bottom-end Evo with a GT35R, and he asked to go from a roll.

good kill . 0-100 belongs to evos . 60-140 belongs to e36 m3 . its very common and not hard to believe . and why every evo kill turns into a pissing match is beyond me

Talk about a thread gone wrong. I simply posted my story and wanted some feedback. I actually like EVO's (I like STI's more) and was suprised with the outcome.

EVERY CAR CAN BE MADE FAST! Quit pissin and moanin. Sheesh.

Coach

Talk about a thread gone wrong. I simply posted my story and wanted some feedback. I actually like EVO's (I like STI's more) and was suprised with the outcome.

EVERY CAR CAN BE MADE FAST! Quit pissin and moanin. Sheesh.

Coach We're just giving u what u asked for. A lil Coaching!;)

good kill . 0-100 belongs to evos . 60-140 belongs to e36 m3 . its very common and not hard to believe . and why every evo kill turns into a pissing match is beyond me Stck vs stck always debatable that's why!

is that jason plato driving the stock evo???? I don't know the driver. He's from the UK I would imagine though.

BTW, before you get off your high-horse, malter, coolcarski was talking about 4-cylinder cars with top-end, since the person he was responding to was being derogatory about them.i like riding a high horse especially when i deal with people who failed reading. that includes you. from beginning your e-comrade is comparing what modded vos are capable vs stock E36 M3. you see a problem there? point is, with enough money you can shift powerband in any car. stock evo doesnt have top end. period.

Considering Japanese inline-6's with less displacement have been making more power for a much longer time than ICSthis is mostly because of associated cost. it is way cheaper and easier to mod a supra which came FI from factory. one of the reasons you see more modded accords than 325i...or mored modded civics than 318s. in addition, BMW are traditionally N/A cars. any grease monkey will tell you that it takes more money/resources to create FI on the car designed to be n/a. starting from compression ratio, gearing, internals and etc. to further fortify what i said, why dont you name me one japanese N/A I-6 that makes more n/a power than BMW M3 counterpart.

Hmm... I like it up on your high-horse. The view is pretty from up here.that sounds gay.


Does'nt take that much to have av EVO run 10's in comparison.i showed you the M3 which does 7s. any evos that run 7s? you wanted the top.

A BMW Drag car that can only be driven in a straight line no doubt.yeah, because 700whp DSM really has usable powerband to perform anywhere else other than on drag strip. :rolleyes

I'll give you over 50 EVo's and DSM's that run 10's and less and you give me the # of turbocharged M's that can say they've done the same! Like myself and Carmutt are saying"It's a 4 cylinder" Spartacus.:help
what are you? 13? you sure are THICK. im sure you can find 100 of them that run 10s. they are mass produced lancers and they are 5x cheaper to mod. of course there will be more of them.

stock, these cars dont have top end. comprende?

i like riding a high horse especially when i deal with people who failed reading. that includes you. from beginning your e-comrade is comparing what modded vos are capable vs stock E36 M3. you see a problem there? point is, with enough money you can shift powerband in any car. stock evo doesnt have top end. period.

this is mostly because of associated cost. it is way cheaper and easier to mod a supra which came FI from factory. one of the reasons you see more modded accords than 325i...or mored modded civics than 318s. in addition, BMW are traditionally N/A cars. any grease monkey will tell you that it takes more money/resources to create FI on the car designed to be n/a. starting from compression ratio, gearing, internals and etc. to further fortify what i said, why dont you name me one japanese N/A I-6 that makes more n/a power than BMW M3 counterpart.

that sounds gay.


i showed you the M3 which does 7s. any evos that run 7s? you wanted the top.

yeah, because 700whp DSM really has usable powerband to perform anywhere else other than on drag strip. :rolleyes

what are you? 13? you sure are THICK. im sure you can find 100 of them that run 10s. they are mass produced lancers and they are 5x cheaper to mod. of course there will be more of them.

stock, these cars dont have top end. comprende?Si Yo comprendo! Pero te comprende?,NOOO! Tu ta un Bruto!:D Don't get mad dude!;) It is what it is! talkin about usable pwr did you watch any of the Norris or AMS vids with their cars on the track?:confused
I can show you a DSM in the 6's and some in the 7's.;)

Actually I wish i was 13yrs old again I would not have so much responsibility. But I do know how to have fun like I'm 13.:alright

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X6RiTu7OrhE


Sexy.

Stck perhaps. But not a modded one. They can be modded to destroy an E60 m5 from a dig, to up top! Yes yes I know any car can be modded to run faster but these r 4 cyl cars!;)
Yes, obviously im talking about stock. Ive seen 11.0 sec civics on 1.6 liter 4 bangers. I know you can make anything fast.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X6RiTu7OrhE


Sexy.Malter don't wanna see Brent's car Spoolin!:evil2

thats DSM as my m3 is ford pinto

I don't see what's out of the ordinary, both cars trap very close to each other, and the M3 arguably has slightly better gearing. The EVO guy could be stock and just shifting a little slow or something. They're not exactly rocket sleds on the highway in stock form.

thats DSM as my m3 is ford pinto
Huh!:confused Speak English Mon!

Huh!:confused Speak English Mon!


I think hes saying that his car has a ford pinto swap in it.

pinto>dsm

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1971/stewiehg2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

What does "Whay were those cars Rogo" mean?

:lol

To all of you EVO guys saying "Where do all the slow EVOs come from?" Keep in mind, you are driving what is probably the second most common ricer car around, beat only by the Eclipse. The car's great, the owners generally not so much, performance wise. A Veyron in the hands of the wrong guy could get outrun by, hell, me! You get these people who can't shift well enough and they start racing people who can, it doesn't end in their favor.

A retarded newborn baby could beat you in a Veyron

pinto>dsmDon't be mad son,we know your car can get waxed from one from Mon to Sun. Don't be mad.:(

After the race I gave him another thumbs up and said "This baby cost me 16,000 bucks!"

Coach
That car is really not made to go in a streight line... In the turns it would have probably been diferent (if the driver could use the car to its max)

I didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone ever seen the torque of stock Evo...it's pretty embarrasing. Looks like a downhill slide from about 3-4k.

Um...they make more trq than an S52, or an S54 for that matter.

4g63s make retarded trq.

I think hes saying that his car has a ford pinto swap in it.

OMG :lol :lol :lol

Hmm interesting thread, all I can say is good kill with these few points in mind.

Yes any car can be made fast with money, but if you look at the ratio of people who have the money to mod a car compared to cost you will see a pattern. A Bmw is a beautiful car but to make the same if not more power, or any substantial gain costs alot more than for example a Evo. Now with that in mind how many modded Bmw's are out there relative to Evo's?

As for top end going over 100 is a gamble which the on the streets are not readily available. So if your car is fast at let's say 120 on how many times can you use that? Now if your car is fast from 0-120 how many times can that be used? Make your own inferences from this, but it's obvious which car would be more usable on the street / not track.

I don't own a Evo, but they are animals modded and I pretty sure there are alot more modded out there than stock. As for Bmw's I love them but modding them is just too expensive to see the gains vs cost being worthwhile. Ferrari's are fast but do you think a owner who just got beat to 120 is thinking I got the top end , more expensive car? or what the F@#$% is in that car your driving? Well in 2 cases I have had a Ferrari owner ask me the latter, with one saying damm I was shifting at 8k and you were still pulling away. In the end to each his own and enjoy as such! Good kill once again to the OP!

E36 M3's are a dime a dozen now.

Hell I could pick one up for 12k.

I pretty much equate the E36 M3 to the E36 3 series now - they're pretty much the same car to me. Outdated...

I got rid of my M3 because I was bored with it and never really drove it.

The E46 OTOH is a very sexy car, one that I'll be picking up in the near future.

E36 M3's are a dime a dozen now.

Hell I could pick one up for 12k.

I pretty much equate the E36 M3 to the E36 3 series now - they're pretty much the same car to me. Outdated...

I got rid of my M3 because I was bored with it and never really drove it.

The E46 OTOH is a very sexy car, one that I'll be picking up in the near future.I would'nt mind owning an E46 M3 either ,preferably an E39 M5!;) This way I'll own TWO 8 cylinder monsters and one 4 cylinder BEAST! Not getting rid of the AMG or the Talon. If I got rid of the Talon it would be hard not to say Hello EVO!:D

E36 M3 a dime a dozen? I have nothing against EVO's, but I see 10 EVO's to every M car. I have driven modded EVO's and yes they are fast but for a family man in his 30's I wanted a fast and fun 4 door car with a nice interior and ride. The interior of the EVO comes from a sub $15K car which sucks. When I see an EVO I get the feeling the drivers previous car was an SRT 4 and they stepped up to a $500 mo. payment the day after watching F&F. Now I'm sure the EVO owners that read this are true racers,but I'm not the only one that feels that way.

A 98' M3/4 with 55K for $16K two years ago was a great deal. A lot of car for the $.
Coach

There are some really M-brainwashed people in this thread.

I'm suscribing just to hear more about the Evo that hits a wall at 100mph, the E36M3 owners that roll race from 120mph only, and how awesome the interior is in the E36 M3 (including glovebox/sunroof,etc.).

I got to test drive the hell out of my Evo before I bought it. If it didn't match or exceed the power that my bolt-on, 2800lb 330ti had....I wouldn't have bought it. But what do I know? I'm just an "SRT-owner that stepped up to a $500 mo. payment".

P.S. Good luck finding bone stock Evos!:D

E36 M3 a dime a dozen? I have nothing against EVO's, but I see 10 EVO's to every M car. I have driven modded EVO's and yes they are fast but for a family man in his 30's I wanted a fast and fun 4 door car with a nice interior and ride. The interior of the EVO comes from a sub $15K car which sucks. When I see an EVO I get the feeling the drivers previous car was an SRT 4 and they stepped up to a $500 mo. payment the day after watching F&F. Now I'm sure the EVO owners that read this are true racers,but I'm not the only one that feels that way.

A 98' M3/4 with 55K for $16K two years ago was a great deal. A lot of car for the $.
Coach

You're living in the wrong area then. All I see are BMW's.

When I see E36 M3's I see kids who's parents buy their children whatever they want.

I was tired of driving a ten year old car that everyone had.

You got it all wrong. I started this thread with a story about me racing an EVO well expecting to loose. Being a "Car Guy", I appreciate all cars and awknowledge each cars place in the market. Nobody is ignorant in thinking the E36 interior is great. Just spending time in my wifes '06 Oddesey tell me it's not. The simple fact is that the EVO is an econobox with a great drivetrain and suspension and is a fun car to drive. If both cars we $30k new there is no dobut the M would sell much better even though it's performance isn't at the same level as the EVO. (Except a 60-120 roll:D )

Coach

maybe he had a boost leak. i was dead even with a VIII with my stock 96 ///M, but he had a boost leak....not that i doubt your run, just a possibility?

maybe he had a boost leak. i was dead even with a VIII with my stock 96 ///M, but he had a boost leak....not that i doubt your run, just a possibility?

Possibly, or maybe the guy was a crappy driver, or maybe he was packing 5 dead bodies in the trunk and rear seat.

Or maybe shit just happens and that's what happened.

For everyone that can never believe these abnormal outcomes, there are variables. Deal with it. Street races don't play out the same as plugging an equation into a computer only to yield the same and definite result EVERY TIME.

Honestly the kills section isn't even about actual events anymore. It's all about outcomes that SHOULD happen. Championship sports teams sometimes lose to wildcards, kids with lower grades sometimes outscore class leaders on SATs, and faster cars sometimes lose to slower cars.

Honestly the kills section isn't even about actual events anymore. It's all about outcomes that SHOULD happen. Championship sports teams sometimes lose to wildcards, kids with lower grades sometimes outscore class leaders on SATs, and faster cars sometimes lose to slower cars.

No. It's the pervasive attitude that the exception suddenly becomes the standard, because it favors BMW, that is killing the threads, not the outcome of actual races.

No. It's the pervasive attitude that the exception suddenly becomes the standard, because it favors BMW, that is killing the threads, not the outcome of actual races.

+1

No one said "Nuh..uhh...you didn't beat an Evo". It was the later statements of a stock evo having "No top end" and that a stock E36 M3 reigns superior top-end is what is getting our responses.

Unless I misread and this thread was about E46 M3's...I have to say that stock or lightly modded E36 M3's are not the highway monsters that everyone is making them out to be in this section.

E36 M3 a dime a dozen? I have nothing against EVO's, but I see 10 EVO's to every M car. I have driven modded EVO's and yes they are fast but for a family man in his 30's I wanted a fast and fun 4 door car with a nice interior and ride. The interior of the EVO comes from a sub $15K car which sucks. When I see an EVO I get the feeling the drivers previous car was an SRT 4 and they stepped up to a $500 mo. payment the day after watching F&F. Now I'm sure the EVO owners that read this are true racers,but I'm not the only one that feels that way.

A 98' M3/4 with 55K for $16K two years ago was a great deal. A lot of car for the $.
Coach :nono Stop living in the past and chk out the leather Recaros in the NEW Evo's. You're smoking crack if you think the EVO interior is anywhere similar to the SRT 4.:confused

Put an EVO up on a lift and you'll see why it costs so much $$ as well. Alot of aluminum suspension parts,Active suspension. Huge transfer case,AWD,ducting for the brakes & oilcooler,frame reinforcements. Put the E36 M3 on the lift and pray that the subframe mounts are intact as well as the rearf shock towers..;)

If both cars we $30k new there is no dobut the M would sell much better even though it's performance isn't at the same level as the EVO. (Except a 60-120 roll:D )

CoachC'mon dude that's purely debatable! Say it's your opinion!

318 > *

/thread

Is there such a thing as a stock EVO? Seems that the EVO owners start bolting things on before the paper license plates come off.

Is there such a thing as a stock EVO? Seems that the EVO owners start bolting things on before the paper license plates come off.
QFTMFT!

Did coolcarlski just compare any Mitsubishi to any BMW in terms of quality? I sure hope not.

Did coolcarlski just compare any Mitsubishi to any BMW in terms of quality? I sure hope not.

Can you quote where he said that?

:nono Stop living in the past and chk out the leather Recaros in the NEW Evo's. You're smoking crack if you think the EVO interior is anywhere similar to the SRT 4.:confused

Put an EVO up on a lift and you'll see why it costs so much $$ as well. Alot of aluminum suspension parts,Active suspension. Huge transfer case,AWD,ducting for the brakes & oilcooler,frame reinforcements. Put the E36 M3 on the lift and pray that the subframe mounts are intact as well as the rearf shock towers..;)

Living in the past? I wanted a good, fast 4-door for under $20K and the M fit the bill. Put Recaros in a neon, lancer, eclipse, pinto, etc.. and it's still a shitty interior with Recaros. For the record cool guy, I stated many times that I like the EVO and it is very fast and handles great.

And yes, e36's have theis issues but if you spent any time at an auto auction you will quickly realize that a Mitsu with over 50K miles is a liability(white smoke).

Coach

evo is nothing but a lancer on electronic steroids. it is FWD biased AWD car, that puts 100% of torque to front wheels if it doesnt detect wheel spin. hell even the damn engine is mounted in a wrong way, doesnt have equal weight distribution, 4 and 5th gear are equivalent to manual corolla xrs and plastic reaks of PVC quality.

all in all, no matter what you do to your evo it is still just a lancer with a turbo. e36 M3 was designed in early 90's and the fact you are comparing your brand new evos to a 15-year old car speaks volume about difference in classes. in other words, it is incomparable.

:nono You aint beatin no stck EVO! Off the line or up top it aint happenin. You can forget that!

theres a fucking o in stock dumbass

Has anyone heard of the EVO MR 420s? I saw a special on top gear on it.....apparently they dont make send them to the US, but they are apparently sickly quick......able to keep with my porsche in a straight line and keep with a murcielago around a track

it is FWD biased AWD car, that puts 100% of torque to front wheels if it doesnt detect wheel spin.

Uh... No... Torque split is _always_ 50/50. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the locking characteristics of the center diff change with regards to traction.

all in all, no matter what you do to your evo it is still just a lancer with a turbo. e36 M3 was designed in early 90's and the fact you are comparing your brand new evos to a 15-year old car speaks volume about difference in classes. in other words, it is incomparable.

You did notice, however, that this is a BMW board, right? That may be the reason why the cars are compared.

I'll say it again. The E36 M3 is played out. The E36 version M3 is the one you get if you can't afford the newer E46 version.

Don't get me wrong... My M3 was a fun car. I wanted more performance out of my daily driver so I got rid of the slow car and got a faster car.

theres a fucking o in stock dumbass:confused "O" you're Ghey!

There's your letter "o"!;)

evo is nothing but a lancer on electronic steroids. it is FWD biased AWD car, that puts 100% of torque to front wheels if it doesnt detect wheel spin. hell even the damn engine is mounted in a wrong way, doesnt have equal weight distribution, 4 and 5th gear are equivalent to manual corolla xrs and plastic reaks of PVC quality.

all in all, no matter what you do to your evo it is still just a lancer with a turbo. e36 M3 was designed in early 90's and the fact you are comparing your brand new evos to a 15-year old car speaks volume about difference in classes. in other words, it is incomparable. Oh the HATE!

Then the M3 must be a 318 on steroids!:confused Sounds pretty lame no? There's gotta be a reason the EVo costs alot more than a Lancer NO?:confused

Evo first came out in 1992 Spartacus! E36 M3's first yr 1995! So You're wrng again!

By the way where do you get 15 yrs old from? Try 11 yrs old! What school did you go to!:confused? Must I educate you about the E36 M3 as well?

You're just a BMW fan ! And you know nothing about when the first car came out!Did coolcarlski just compare any Mitsubishi to any BMW in terms of quality? I sure hope not. :confused I'm comparing the quality of the suspension build yes Sir-ee(Evo vs M3)! Why try to misquote me!:confused

What's so special about the suspension setup on the E36 M3? Grant it it wrks but the EVO's suspension works Better.Has anyone heard of the EVO MR 420s? I saw a special on top gear on it.....apparently they dont make send them to the US, but they are apparently sickly quick......able to keep with my porsche in a straight line and keep with a murcielago around a trackYou're talking about the Evo FQ400! Yes expensive ,made by Ralliart,and wicked!

Uh... No... Torque split is _always_ 50/50. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the locking characteristics of the center diff change with regards to traction.



You did notice, however, that this is a BMW board, right? That may be the reason why the cars are compared.

I'll say it again. The E36 M3 is played out. The E36 version M3 is the one you get if you can't afford the newer E46 version.

Don't get me wrong... My M3 was a fun car. I wanted more performance out of my daily driver so I got rid of the slow car and got a faster car.

+1 I had an E30 M3 and a E36 M3. In fact I bought my E36 brand new. As for performance the E36 M3 simply does not compare to my Evo IX MR.

The FQ stands for "Fvckin quick!"

good kill..

Shep ran a 7 sec 1/4 last week still awd, my evo has plenty top end, hah.

I believe it I was right with my friends 06 EVO non MR.

Highway we were even before we hit traffic.
Dig bout half a car behind.

.... to further fortify what i said, why dont you name me one japanese N/A I-6 that makes more n/a power than BMW M3 counterpart.

that sounds gay.

im sure you can find 100 of them that run 10s. they are mass produced lancers and they are 5x cheaper to mod. of course there will be more of them.



#1
I can't name you an I-6 on the top of my head but how about a 4 banger. I think putting out more hp per liter on a 4 cyclinder that is N/A is more impressive anyway.

E46 m3 = 340 bhp /3.2 = 106 hp per liter
Honda S2000 = 240/2.0= 120 hp per liter

#2
The reason evos run more 10's than bmw m3s isn't because they are mass produced, it would have to do with its strong drivetrain + trans + AWD + strong FI motor.

I'm sure you think an evo is a lancer with a wing and ricer seats, eh?

#3
An evo will eventually run into the 7's its just a matter of time. Considering this car has been in USA for only 3 years and the rapid progess to it being able to run 8's by BR + AMS I think 7s are a matter of time. IF you doubt that the 4wd drivetrain can't sustain the abuse shep ran 7's recently.

I think people tend to focus on this car ability to make power but it does great around the track with some r compounds, upgraded pads + fluid and a rear sway.

A japanese n/a inline-6 that makes more power than a e36 m3 or an e46 m3?

e46 is hard, but e36 is easy.


Ouch, I was thinking v6, sorry.

The FQ stands for "Fuckin quick!"


:nono

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205093

Uh... No... Torque split is _always_ 50/50. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the locking characteristics of the center diff change with regards to traction.


it is quite sad and pathetic that you drive this car and KNOW NOTHING about it, yet have the audacity to call someone out. here n00b, read here:


The Mitsubishi, on the other hand, never sends the majority of engine torque to the rear axle. Instead, it can send all the engine torque to the front wheels or 50 percent of it (using an electrohydraulic clutch on the center diff). So the Evo varies the front-to-rear torque split between 100/0 and 50/50. In addition to the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, the Evo has a steering-wheel-angle sensor that also provides the computer with information.

source:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/9052/why-do-these-similar-cars-feel-so-different.html


I can't name you an I-6 on the top of my head but how about a 4 banger. I think putting out more hp per liter on a 4 cyclinder that is N/A is more impressive anyway.

E46 m3 = 340 bhp /3.2 = 106 hp per liter
Honda S2000 = 240/2.0= 120 hp per liter

I didn't ask about the rate per liter. I asked about I-6 that makes as much power as M3, which S2000 does not. While you are at strawman argument, why not list honda civic si 1.6/160hp=100 hp per liter, celica GT-S and other leaf blowers.

The reason evos run more 10's than bmw m3s isn't because they are mass produced, it would have to do with its strong drivetrain + trans + AWD + strong FI motor.

E36 M3 has forged rods and it comes as N/A car. euro M3s come with forged crank on the N/A car. don't even start with drivetrain. i'd love to compare.

I think people tend to focus on this car ability to make power but it does great around the track with some r compounds, upgraded pads + fluid and a rear sway

as much as i bash it, i like the car and i definetly agree with you there.


E36 M3's first yr 1995! So You're wrng again!


hate to break it to you, but Sun does not revolve around USA. E36 M3 existed long before 1995. if you are driving german car you should know at least that much.

By the way where do you get 15 yrs old from? Try 11 yrs old! What school did you go to!:confused? Must I educate you about the E36 M3 as well?

dude, please do some reading. E36 M3 started production in march of 1992 and it was designed probably in 1990/1991. we are in 2007 in one month. 2007-1992=15.

You're just a BMW fan ! And you know nothing about when the first car came out!'

please enlighten me. i am eagerly waiting for your counterargument on when was the first E36 produced. how about them edumcations?

What's so special about the suspension setup on the E36 M3? Grant it it wrks but the EVO's suspension works Better.

works better? is that how engineers communicate where you are from? damn, they really get down and technical :rolleyes

e36 M3 was designed in early 90's and the fact you are comparing your brand new evos to a 15-year old car speaks volume about difference in classes. in other words, it is incomparable.

Counter arguement is on the street,track,or dragstrip the EVO will own you! PERIOD! ;) The Evo has been out since 1992 so where does the new tech car vs your 15 yr old car come from?:rolleyes

Fight nice, gents...

BMW M registry

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=14

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The E36 M3 3.0 is the original BMW Motorsport (later called BMW M) version of the E36 3 Series. Available as a coupe (http://www.bmwmregistry.com/exteriors/E36_M3_Exterior.jpg), convertible (http://www.bmwmregistry.com/faq/E36M3cabrio-1.jpg) or sedan (http://www.bmwmregistry.com/exteriors/E36_M3_Sedan_2.jpg), it uses one of two 3.0-liter S50 engines, both based to some degree on the standard production M50 powerplant. The European S50 (http://www.bmwmregistry.com/faq/S50_Euro_Engine.jpg) has individual throttle bodies and a more complex cylinder head, while the U.S.-spec S50 (http://www.bmwmregistry.com/faq/S50_US.jpg) more closely resembles the normal production M50 engine. All E36 M3s also have a BMW M-tuned chassis and unique cosmetic items both inside and out. Unlike its E30 M3 predecessor, the E36 M3 was not designed primarily for competition use, but rather as a road-going GT car.

</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.bmwmregistry.com/images/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=faqitem vAlign=top>Where was the E36 M3 3.0 introduced?
The E36 M3 coupe was first shown at the 1992 Paris Motor Show. The U.S.-spec version did not appear until the 1994 Los Angeles International Auto Show.

</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.bmwmregistry.com/images/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=faqitem vAlign=top>Where was the E36 M3 3.0 built?
All 3.0-liter E36 M3s were built on the regular 3 Series assembly line at the Regensburg factory near Munich with the excpetion of a small batch of coupes assembled in South Africa from German-supplied Semi Knocked-Down kits exclusively for that market.

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BMW initially produced the European-spec E36 M3 3.0 only as as a coupe. Convertible and sedan versions were introduced two years later. Each body style was offered in left-hand drive and right-hand drive configurations. There was also a limited run of E36 M3 GT coupes built in both left-hand drive and right-hand drive. The U.S.-spec version of the 3.0-liter M3 was offered only as a coupe, with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions. Finally, there was a small number of South African-spec coupes assembled for the 1994 model year at the Rosslyn, South Africa factory from German-supplied Semi Knocked-Down kits (SKD).

</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.bmwmregistry.com/images/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=faqitem vAlign=top>How many of each version were produced?
ECE coupe (LHD): 11,284 built from 03/92 thru 07/95
ECE coupe (RHD): 3,152 built from 03/93 thru 07/95
ECE GT coupe (LHD): 350 built from 02/95 thru 06/95 (plus 6 pre-production in 12/94)
SA coupe (RHD): 748 built in SKD form from 09/93 thru 04/94
USA coupe manual (LHD): 8,515 built from 03/94 thru 01/96
USA coupe automatic (LHD): 1,705 built from 12/94 thru 01/96
ECE convertible (LHD): 1,403 built from 03/94 thru 08/95
ECE convertible (RHD): 572 built from 09/94 thru 08/95
ECE sedan (LHD): 868 built from 06/94 thru 07/95
ECE sedan (RHD): 415 built from 10/94 thru 07/95


</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.bmwmregistry.com/images/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=faqitem vAlign=top>How did the U.S.-spec version of the E36 M3 come about?
When the E36 M3 made its European debut in 1992 there were no plans to produce a North American version. Sales of the previous M3, the E30 of 1988-91, had amounted to just under 5,000 units and BMW’s only other North American-spec M car at the time, the E34 M5, was not selling in large enough quantities to justify the addition of another M model in the American market. However, a letter-writing campaign initiated by the BMW Car Club of America sparked such an overwhelming response by the enthusiast BMW community that BMW of North America decided to reconsider. The main issue was price: BMW NA was determined to keep the MSRP down to around $35,000, about the same as the last of the E30 M3s. The only way to meet this price point was to develop a specific version of the S50 engine without the costly individual throttle bodies and continuously variable VANOS valve timing system of the European-spec motor. Just such a car entered production in February, 1994 (as a 1995 model) and went on to be produced in almost equal numbers to the European version despite a production run of only half as many years. (Note: This model was not available in Canada see question below)

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so you are wrong.

I'm outta here ! Dave's patrolling!:devillook Debates over for me! Later!:cool

:lol

it is quite sad and pathetic that you drive this car and KNOW NOTHING about it, yet have the audacity to call someone out. here n00b, read here:


The Mitsubishi, on the other hand, never sends the majority of engine torque to the rear axle. Instead, it can send all the engine torque to the front wheels or 50 percent of it (using an electrohydraulic clutch on the center diff). So the Evo varies the front-to-rear torque split between 100/0 and 50/50. In addition to the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, the Evo has a steering-wheel-angle sensor that also provides the computer with information.

source:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/9052/why-do-these-similar-cars-feel-so-different.html


That literature is completely false and keeps getting kicked around the forums.

It is widely known in the Evo world that they (CarandDriver) misinterpreted the "Active center diff". It DOES NOT CHANGE TORQUE SPLIT.

This is Fact: It is a 50:50 split. Period. Stick with what you know.

oh ok, so a group of mostly mechanical engineers that test and evaluate cars for living for past 30 years is wrong. :rolleyes

give me legitimate source and i'll admit i am wrong.

it is quite sad and pathetic that you drive this car and KNOW NOTHING about it, yet have the audacity to call someone out.


n00b?!?!

You should spend less time reading magazines and do more research...

http://newcolt.co.uk/features/ayc.asp

and here:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=175195


Active Centre Differential

The Active Centre Differential, first introduced in the Evo VII, is an electronically controlled hydraulic multi-plate clutch which distributes torque between the front and rear to improve traction under acceleration out of a corner. It works in conjunction with Active Yaw Control which enhances grip and steering response whilst driving through the bend itself. Using sensors, ACD regulates slippage in the 50:50 torque-split diff from free to lock-up according to speed and load. So under hard acceleration the ACD moves towards lock-up to put more torque down on the road for stronger traction, but with rapid steering inputs it operates virtually like an open differential to improve steering feel and response.

A choice of three setting - tarmac, gravel and snow - operated manually, gradually lock up the Active Centre Differential depending on road conditions.

oh ok, so a group of mostly mechanical engineers that test and evaluate cars for living for past 30 years is wrong. :rolleyes

give me legitimate source and i'll admit i am wrong.

See my last post and then remove the foot from your a$$...

noob,

"ACD regulates slippage in the 50:50 torque-split diff from free to lock-up according to speed and load"


read that again and tell me what does it tell you????

noob,

"ACD regulates slippage in the 50:50 torque-split diff from free to lock-up according to speed and load"


read that again and tell me what does it tell you????

Can you not comprehend what I just posted?!?!

It regulates SLIPPAGE in the 50:50 torque split...

SLIPPAGE
SLIPPAGE
SLIPPAGE

Are you that dense to NOT understand this statement...

Fight nice, gents...

ahem...

ahem...

Just trying to educate him SS...

Apparently reading comprehension is not taught in schools nowadays...

i know, just keep it civil...

noob,

"ACD regulates slippage in the 50:50 torque-split diff from free to lock-up according to speed and load"


read that again and tell me what does it tell you????


It works like your limited-slip Differential. Does your rear limited slip diff. send all of it's power to one side until it detects slippage? No? Well the center diff is no different. It's a 50/50 split in power from front to rear like your rear diff is left to right.

The ACD just controls the lock-up/slippage from front to rear. Just think of the center differential as a normal rear differential turned sidways...but instead of being at a fixed lock-up...it's controlled by a computer via hydraulic clutching.

Have I dumbed that down enough for you?

Did you read what i said? Both of you? What you regurgitated from the evo website is true. Have I ever disputed that?. NO.

What i said that it is FWD biased system, just as any mazda awd system or audi's quattro system (with exception of RS4). Yes, it is 50:50 split, but it will not send more than 50% to rears. BMW x-drive, subaru symmetrical AWD and nissan's AWD are rear biased systems.

Also, PLEASE google "strawman argument".

like i said, learn about your cars.

Quite a pissing match you have going here...

Did you read what i said? Both of you? What you regurgitated from the evo website is true. Have I ever disputed that?. NO.

What i said that it is FWD biased system, just as any mazda awd system or audi's quattro system (with exception of RS4). Yes, it is 50:50 split, but it will not send more than 50% to rears. BMW x-drive, subaru symmetrical AWD and nissan's AWD are rear biased systems.

Also, PLEASE google "strawman argument".

like i said, learn about your cars.

WRONG.

Check out Honda's AWD system for the CR-V. THAT is a FWD biased system, which sends power to the rear wheels when slip is detected up front. The Evo, STi, most Audi Quattro cars, are FULL-TIME-AWD systems. Get the difference? This means that ALL FOUR WHEELS get some power, AT ALL TIMES, the only difference with more advanced systems such as the STi and upper model Evo's offer, is it allows you to bias TO THE REAR WHEELS MORE, or do a perfect 50-50 split. You CANNOT even adjust it to bias to the front.

Straw man, indeed.

EDIT: I believe you are basing your argument on the fact that the Evo's engine is mounted transversely, as in a FWD car. This is not how you base these standards on.

you way behind the convo. keep reading about different drive systems. not wasting time on you.

*Nevermind. Not worth it.

evo is nothing but a lancer on electronic steroids. it is FWD biased AWD car, that puts 100% of torque to front wheels if it doesnt detect wheel spin.


You actually said the above...

Incorrectly stating that it distributes torque.

I was refuting your assertion.

Has anyone heard of the EVO MR 420s? I saw a special on top gear on it.....apparently they dont make send them to the US, but they are apparently sickly quick......able to keep with my porsche in a straight line and keep with a murcielago around a track


evo mr fq 400

You're living in the wrong area then. All I see are BMW's.

When I see E36 M3's I see kids who's parents buy their children whatever they want.

I was tired of driving a ten year old car that everyone had.

I don't really see that many around my area Tpa/St Pete/Clearwater. You do live in one of the " richest areas in the nation. " MD is money. I can agree with you there. I really agree with you when I see 17yr olds driving a new e46 M.

There are some really M-brainwashed people in this thread.

I'm suscribing just to hear more about the Evo that hits a wall at 100mph, the E36M3 owners that roll race from 120mph only, and how awesome the interior is in the E36 M3 (including glovebox/sunroof,etc.).

I got to test drive the hell out of my Evo before I bought it. If it didn't match or exceed the power that my bolt-on, 2800lb 330ti had....I wouldn't have bought it. But what do I know? I'm just an "SRT-owner that stepped up to a $500 mo. payment".

P.S. Good luck finding bone stock Evos!:D

I don't agree with the F&F comment, but I do think alot of people (18-25) buy the EVO with the intent of going fast on the street. I know some people also track it, but lets face it, you bought your car to enjoy all the time.

As for the roll on...at 120, hell I'll roll on at whatever speed. I'll do a dig too. I like long drives, and the MD is only 13hrs away, beautiful area too. :D If people are M-brainwashed your EVO-brainwashed. :rolleyes It's called pride in your car. People are gonna stick up for what they like. There is always gonna be a better car.

E36 M3's are a dime a dozen now.

Hell I could pick one up for 12k.

I pretty much equate the E36 M3 to the E36 3 series now - they're pretty much the same car to me. Outdated...

I got rid of my M3 because I was bored with it and never really drove it.

The E46 OTOH is a very sexy car, one that I'll be picking up in the near future.

I got mine for 19k and put another 11k in it. so thats 30k. I could have bought a stock Evo MR, infact I almost did, but I love the old lines, and styling of my M3. To each his own. I don't feel outdated a bit, but thats just me, I love both our cars.

The E46 is something that has grown on me. I didn't like it at 1st, but I wouldn't mind finding 1 for a good price in a few years.

I've had similar results with 2 Evo 8's

You actually said the above...

Incorrectly stating that it distributes torque.

I was refuting your assertion.Car does distribute the torque and everything I said is correct. ACD splits the torque to 50:50 (I agree with you and to the link you posted), BUT ECU constantly gives input to hydraulic clutch, so torque will vary depending on your driving conditions. I am bolding this because this is important. While EVO is full time AWD, it is front biased car, thus it will transfer 100% of torque to front wheels in normal conditions. This is not my damn opinion. The car constantly varies the torque depending on conditions. It is listed in the link you posted as well. Example: you gun from dig, all 4wd will hook in 50:50 split. Gun it on the highway while going 70mph, 100% of torque will most likely go to front wheels, since there is no need employ rear mech. diff and ACD has hasn't detected one tire has more torque on it than the other one. I'm tired of this and tired of myself sounding like a broken record.

im out...

Car does distribute the torque and everything I said is correct. ACD splits the torque to 50:50 (I agree with you and to the link you posted), BUT ECU constantly gives input to hydraulic clutch, so torque will vary depending on your driving conditions. I am bolding this because this is important. While EVO is full time AWD, it is front biased car, thus it will transfer 100% of torque to front wheels in normal conditions. This is not my damn opinion. The car constantly varies the torque depending on conditions. It is listed in the link you posted as well. Example: you gun from dig, all 4wd will hook in 50:50 split. Gun it on the highway while going 70mph, 100% of torque will most likely go to front wheels, since there is no need employ rear mech. diff and ACD has hasn't detected one tire has more torque on it than the other one. I'm tired of this and tired of myself sounding like a broken record.

im out...

The ACD has nothing to do with controlling torque output. Are you not comprehending this? The ACD ECU controls the locking characteristics of the center diff. The Evo is _always_ a 50/50 torque split.

The broken record that you are listening to is telling you that you need to do more research.

What makes the bmw m3 drivetrain superior to that of 05-06 evo?

While EVO is full time AWD, it is front biased car, thus it will transfer 100% of torque to front wheels in normal conditions.



:lol It's never gonna stop!

You're wrong, dude. Quit trying to win a losing argument. The only way to get a fixed torque split other than 50:50 with a USDM Evo is with a cusco center diff. 35/65 (F/R). I helped put one in the GSC Time attack Evo. Other than that...50:50 just like DSMs.

There is nothing here that states anything other than what we have been trying to beat into your head.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=175195&highlight=ACD+torque+split

Your are either bad at reading or a sore loser if you are still questioning this. Here is even the Technical article straight from the guys who desgined it.:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2001/13E_09.pdf

So...despite all our personal knowledge and resources we poured onto you..thousands of Evo owners and tuners...somehow WE ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT?!!

So rich!!!

If you are so confident that you have discovered groundbreaking evidence that will turn the Evo world upside down... take your argument over to EvoM! I'd really love to see that one! I'll even start the thread for you! What do ya say?

The concept and function of the ACD is truly OWNING you right now. Save face and just walk away.

The ACD has nothing to do with controlling torque output. and then

The ACD ECU controls the locking characteristics of the center diff.pfffff thats exactly what i said dude. you just reworded the same thing here is what i said:

ACD splits the torque to 50:50 (I agree with you and to the link you posted), BUT ECU constantly gives input to hydraulic clutch, so torque will vary depending on your driving conditions.ACD splits the torque to 50:50, or if you will ACD ECU (obviously mechanical things cannot execute controls on their own:rolleyes). Let me apologize for not NOTING it is ACD ECU, not vehicle ECU.

good?

I am bolding this because this is important. While EVO is full time AWD, it is front biased car, thus it will transfer 100% of torque to front wheels in normal conditions.

im out...:nono Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope! Who told you the EVO is front biased as far as powering the car with 2 wheels under normal conditions? If I am right it will apply the most traction to the wheel that's loosing traction.

The car has a 50 50 split all the front to back. If the car is put on a lift and you turn one of the front wheels,ALL of the wheels will spin. This goes for the 3000 gtvr4,Galant VR4,and it's AWD siblings(EVO,DSM)

I believe with the newer EVO's and JDM Evo's think the settings perhaps can calculate the split depending on the conditions(there's never ever a 100:0 split),but it will also put the most power where it detects slippage. However never 100:0 and no it's not front biased.

(A full-time four-wheel drive system that, on the Diamond-Star cars, is accomplished via a torque-splitting center differential that divides the torque between the front and rear differentials.) KEY wrd is FULL TIME AWD!


The flagship models (Eclipse GSX and Talon TSi AWD) direct power to all four wheels in a 50F/50R split which makes for unparalleled launches and cornering ability. For the ultimate in traction, a viscous coupling limited slip differential is optional in the rear end. Live in an area where it snows? Rains a lot?

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/coolcarlski/awd.jpg

50:50 under normal driving ALL OF THE TIME!

If both cars we $30k new there is no dobut the M would sell much better even though it's performance isn't at the same level as the EVO. (Except a 60-120 roll:D )


But its not. You got lucky, and that is all.

I believe it I was right with my friends 06 EVO non MR.

Highway we were even before we hit traffic.
Dig bout half a car behind.

You must be pretty modded. EVO 9's are running 12's stock.


You guys are way too stuck on your outdated BMW's. I like them, sure. But I am also realistic.

What makes the bmw m3 drivetrain superior to that of 05-06 evo?Good question! I guess because it's the engineering marvel of the world BMW! :confused

I can give the M3 credit where it is due by far but many on here hate the EVO for what it is and does and for what it's more than capable of doing.

You guys are way too stuck on your outdated BMW's. I like them, sure. But I am also realistic. This is exactly what I'm saying as well. But the EVO is'nt really doing anything new since the EVO III or IV. Same basics back then are the same now: the 4g63 motor and AWD.

Can you guys give me a nice discount on some ix cams since I am a BFC member? :D

I keep on learning more new features about my evo after reading my thread....:stickoutt

Can you guys give me a nice discount on some ix cams since I am a BFC member? :D

I keep on learning more new features about my evo after reading my thread....:stickoutt The price of Cams for that Mivec head are ridiculous.

GSC IX Cams less than 600$ a set.

Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope! Who told you the EVO is front biased as far as powering the car with 2 wheels under normal conditions? If I am right it will apply the most traction to the wheel that's loosing traction.

The car has a 50 50 split all the front to back. If the car is put on a lift and you turn one of the front wheels,ALL of the wheels will spin. This goes for the 3000 gtvr4,Galant VR4,and it's AWD siblings(EVO,DSM)

I believe with the newer EVO's and JDM Evo's think the settings perhaps can calculate the split depending on the conditions(there's never ever a 100:0 split),but it will also put the most power where it detects slippage. However never 100:0 and no it's not front biased.

(A full-time four-wheel drive system that, on the Diamond-Star cars, is accomplished via a torque-splitting center differential that divides the torque between the front and rear differentials.) KEY wrd is FULL TIME AWD!


The flagship models (Eclipse GSX and Talon TSi AWD) direct power to all four wheels in a 50F/50R split which makes for unparalleled launches and cornering ability. For the ultimate in traction, a viscous coupling limited slip differential is optional in the rear end. Live in an area where it snows? Rains a lot?


Before you say im wrong again, you need to address where you already got owned multiple times and that is -- when was E36 first produced. Once you address that argument we can move into this one.

Thanks

GSC IX Cams less than 600$ a set.I'm told the EVO loves JUN the best!

Before you say im wrong again, you need to address where you already got owned multiple times and that is -- when was E36 first produced. Once you address that argument we can move into this one.

ThanksYep u were right about the E36 but wrng about saying comparing new tech(EVO) to a 15 yr old car when the Evo is actually the same age.

We were BOTH owned!;) Now let's continue if u want! Your serve!

but we were not comparing 1992 evo to E36 M3. We were comparing new EVO (8,9) :)

but we were not comparing 1992 evo to E36 M3. We were comparing new EVO (8,9) :)


Dear Lord, you guys will argue about ANYthing... enough...

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