Yesterday I was on my way to a physics test. Parked my car a safe distance from others and started walking to the building it was in. I see a black Porsche 944 turbo and was admiring it sitting there while walking past. An hour and a half later leaving the test I'm going down the main road on campus and see a car come flying up hard behind me and hit the brakes.

This seemed a little strange since I was already doing 45 in a 30 so I knew this guy was messing around with me. Then I see the headlights and recognize it as the same car I saw before! He continues to ride my ass as I'm slowing down for speed bumps and such, but every now and then let him hear the sound of my exhaust.

We go around a traffic circle and out the a 2 lane twisty road and I get stuck behind a civic and he shoots past only to get slowed down by an impala maybe a car length ahead.

We both make right turns onto a 2 lane straight road with a 45 mph speed limit. He goes first and was maybe staying at 20 mph. I get next to him and pace him and we look at each other and take off. I had it in 2nd so I wasn't exactly in the powerband but he only jumped ahead a little bit and I thought I would start reeling him in, but he just kept walking away. I heard him shift 3 times before I shifted out of third, so he must've been smart enough to go from 1st.

Anyway, we pull up alongside him, he asks the year of my car and if I've done anything to it. I tell him "99 and a little bit" and ask him what he's done to his car and he says "nothing.....but I'm running 22 psi!"

I was hoping to line up and go from a stop but I wasn't so lucky...I guess I know what I want for christmas now - more power!

Well, it wasnt me ;) I suspect you are refering to RIT and I know there is a kid who parks his 944 in U lot a decent bit.

It wasn't in U lot, it was over in S lot. Are you a student at RIT? I'm a 3rd year mechanical engineer. Also, do you know any good places where car enthusiasts hang out around here? I'm not from here, just up here for school.

Nice looking collection of cars by the way!

good death those 944 turbos will get ya. lol but 22 psi is hard to believe because if i turn mine up to 17 or 18 i have verry little traction

i was wondering what they run stock because when he said 22 psi my jaw dropped and i thought there's no way that engine will be lasting much longer...

when he said 22 psi my jaw dropped and i thought there's no way that engine will be lasting much longer... Nope! These cars love boost and will run all day long with the proper tuning and supporting mods. Just like an EVO or DSM 4 cyl.

"nothing but 22 psi" - what a joke. i used to have a 944 turbo and he would have to have massive mods done to be able to use 22psi on a daily basis and keep the engine running. ie, lots of headwork, bigger turbo, etc etc. so he's either talking shit or has a massive amount of mods that he didn't show you. stock boost is only 0.7 bar which is about 11-12 psi. the stock boost gauge shows more than 0.7 but it's notoriously calibrated wrong. he needs a real mechanical boost gauge

"nothing but 22 psi" - what a joke. i used to have a 944 turbo and he would have to have massive mods done to be able to use 22psi on a daily basis and keep the engine running. ie, lots of headwork, bigger turbo, etc etc. so he's either talking shit or has a massive amount of mods that he didn't show you. stock boost is only 0.7 bar which is about 11-12 psi. the stock boost gauge shows more than 0.7 but it's notoriously calibrated wrong. he needs a real mechanical boost gauge22psi not hard to believe if guy has supporting mods. Headwrk is not necessary since these heads have big ports. My bro had a bent valve in his and when we took off the head the ports are MASSIVE! Y would the guy need port wrk and a bigger turb to achieve 22 psi boost and drive the car daily?:dunno

well to clarify a little bit, the guy made it seem as if he had no mods, but simply cranked the boost up. I don't disagree that with supporting mods it could run reliably, but just pumping up the boost seems like a bad way to mod a car...just my opinion

either way he beat me and his 944 was fast as hell

well to clarify a little bit, the guy made it seem as if he had no mods, but simply cranked the boost up. I don't disagree that with supporting mods it could run reliably, but just pumping up the boost seems like a bad way to mod a car...just my opinion

either way he beat me and his 944 was fast as hellThen he prob had mods then.He'd be making almst 400rwhp with that much boost and supporting mods hence the results u stated!"Fast as Hell"

exactly. the 944 turbo does not have adjustable boost either, so hence my point that he couldn't use 22psi without modifications.

No, I'm not an RIT student, but I do have a few friends on campus I hang around with. As for car stuff, the Rochester scene is a joke, try signing up for one of the local forums (try NYSpeed.com) there are tons of meets in the summer. We had a large BBQ down in Letchworth end of the year last year.

As for the 944 Turbo comments, seeing as how I own a heavily modified one and have gone through just about every itineration between the two that I own and the other 4 I've spent time wrenching on.... 22psi can be attained on the stock turbo with a wastegate, chip, and boost controller. Certainly not heavy mods, but the compressor will be wayyyy out of it's efficiency range and blowing way to much hot air. 22psi isnt really that much, I run mine at 17-19 daily and with proper tuning I can approach 30psi. Next you're going to tell me because the factory set the rev limiter at 6450rpm you cant run 7000 ;)

No, I'm not an RIT student, but I do have a few friends on campus I hang around with. As for car stuff, the Rochester scene is a joke, try signing up for one of the local forums (try NYSpeed.com) there are tons of meets in the summer. We had a large BBQ down in Letchworth end of the year last year.

As for the 944 Turbo comments, seeing as how I own a heavily modified one and have gone through just about every itineration between the two that I own and the other 4 I've spent time wrenching on.... 22psi can be attained on the stock turbo with a wastegate, chip, and boost controller. Certainly not heavy mods, but the compressor will be wayyyy out of it's efficiency range and blowing way to much hot air. 22psi isnt really that much, I run mine at 17-19 daily and with proper tuning I can approach 30psi. Next you're going to tell me because the factory set the rev limiter at 6450rpm you cant run 7000 ;) I believe evrything you have stated here. Case in point,even though it's not a Porsche(even though they both porsche,mitsu use the Mitsu balance shaft;)) and it's a
Mitsu,the same thing can apply. Guys have run that much boost(22psi) on stck DSM's as long as they added a fuel pump. But the stck turbo reaches a point where it is not as efficient. For me it's too risky but guys have done it with very little supporting mods. So yes on a stck or lightly modded 944 turbo 22psi is believable in my eyes.

wastegate, chip, and boost controller.

exactly my point. the 951 guy says "nothing but I have 22 psi". he couldn't get that without some sort of mods. and from my reading on rennlist (which was about 6 yrs ago when I had the 951) anything above 17psi was risking the headgasket without proper mods to control boost spikes, fuel delivery etc. i'm not trying to say you can't do anything, just that the factory did not deliver the car with adjustable boost, and you can't get 22 psi with no modifications whatsoever.

anyway the 944 is a fun car (i had 3 of them) and they can certainly make tremendous power depending on how much money and work you put into it. 500 hp with 16 valve head? not unheard of.

with supporting mods and 22psi w/ propper tuning he would be running more than 400rwhp...im thinkin mid high 400s
mine gets 381 to the wheels at 18 psi....but i have alot of supporting mods.lol

Dont feel too bad, I got smoked by one not too long ago. I had been suprising people that week with my obd1 m52ed 318is (I left the 318 badge), and I found a 944 turbo. So I was pushing him to race, he shot a fireball out of his exhaust, and immediately pulled on me. I just remember doing something like 120 on river road, and he was still a few buses in front of me... and widening the gap.

Stock they are about the same as an E36 M3, but if you put 1000 bucks in the 944; the 944 will be pushing 275-300hp.

the stock boost gauge on the 944 turbo reads in absolute pressure

I have had a few 944's (2 turbos and an S2). They are seriously quick cars as standard and my non cat s2 (3 litre 16v NA four banger) was not far off standard, at about 235 bhp i think. Because of it's light weight it used to blitz M3's and scare the pants off me in the process. Of the turbos, the first was a standard 220 bhp model which was quick. The second was the se with 250 bhp as standard, however after a trip to superchips this was upto 310 bhp and used to give TVR Cebrera's a fright! Great cars and I afraid to say in a different league to Bimmers so don't feel too bad that you got beat.

Sounds like a dumbass with an MBC who just cranked up the boost. A properly prepped and tuned 951 at 22 psi would have absolutely dissapeared, especially from a roll. From my 951 days I recall 16 psi or so being the practical limit on the stock turbo, after that you're doing more harm than good. Even with a simple chip they're damn fast cars, a friend of mine with a Weltmeister chip, aftermarket wastegate, MBC, and a test pipe dyno'd at about 250 whp. Mine was set up almost the exact same, and I felt it was a damn fast car.

I have had a few 944's (2 turbos and an S2). They are seriously quick cars as standard and my non cat s2 (3 litre 16v NA four banger) was not far off standard, at about 235 bhp i think. My friend is turbocharging a 968(3.0 16v 4cyl) right now as we speak!;) Its being built to run circles around the new 997TT.

Your friend doesnt happy to live in Jersey does he? I know of a few 3.1L 16v builds going on right now.

turbo 3.0 16v variocam motor.... wow. i have a 968 that is literally just sitting in a garage covered up and stored. would be fun to build it, but wow what it would cost to blow it up... those 968 motors aren't exactly everywhere to be found... :eek:

turbo 3.0 16v variocam motor.... wow. i have a 968 that is literally just sitting in a garage covered up and stored. would be fun to build it, but wow what it would cost to blow it up... those 968 motors aren't exactly everywhere to be found... :eek:

You can check out this site for the estimates. Check out their dyno's.

http://www.powerhaus.com/

Your friend doesnt happy to live in Jersey does he? I know of a few 3.1L 16v builds going on right now. No he lives in Long Island!turbo 3.0 16v variocam motor.... wow. i have a 968 that is literally just sitting in a garage covered up and stored. would be fun to build it, but wow what it would cost to blow it up... those 968 motors aren't exactly everywhere to be found... :eek: My buddy in L.I. had his under the tarp for a yr or more as well. He also has another one (red)in his yard that he just bought from the auction as a parts car. The 3.0L 16v 4cyl motor,drivetrain,and interior are up for sale. This parts car was hit as well.

Powerhaus is a waste of money, there are other builders I'd much rather deal with.

My friend is turbocharging a 968(3.0 16v 4cyl) right now as we speak!;) Its being built to run circles around the new 997TT.

A friend of mine has turbo'd a 944 s2. He built it as a track day weapon. Took me out it in it once. I filled my pants!!!

Powerhaus is a waste of money, there are other builders I'd much rather deal with.

Yes Powerhaus is costly but they do produce reliable engines and is one of the tuners for these cars.

This is too cool! I love seeing that several of you also have 951s, and some of you have Turbo Ss. The cars are amazing, my car is pushing 395 to the rear wheels now. Its a violently fast car, that scares me nicely. Traction is a problem sometimes, especially when I run 100 octane and 18psi.

I absolutely walked a Turbo last weekend from about 60-105mph (I am assuming it was stock). By the belch of smoke when he nailed it and when he shifted I know he was on it. I started a few cars back and was only in 3rd at about 60 so it took a while to get in my sweet spot (5000rpm) but once I did I started reeling him in. When I shifted to 4th I literally flew by him.

I have experienced the monster turbos on track so I know this one wasn't.

This is too cool! I love seeing that several of you also have 951s, and some of you have Turbo Ss. The cars are amazing, my car is pushing 395 to the rear wheels now. Its a violently fast car, that scares me nicely. Traction is a problem sometimes, especially when I run 100 octane and 18psi.

What turbo are you running? Can I see a dyno chart?

I absolutely walked a Turbo last weekend from about 60-105mph (I am assuming it was stock). By the belch of smoke when he nailed it and when he shifted I know he was on it. I started a few cars back and was only in 3rd at about 60 so it took a while to get in my sweet spot (5000rpm) but once I did I started reeling him in. When I shifted to 4th I literally flew by him.

I have experienced the monster turbos on track so I know this one wasn't.


I assume this WASN'T in the 323iT?:D Belch of smoke = blown turbo? Not to take anything away from your M5, I have no doubt it could hang with a stock or mildly modded 951.

It was the M5. I will call it more of a cloud of unburnt fuel? Older cars do that when you nail it suddenly. My M5 will.

Like most turbos it was strong at first but faded as the speeds increased. It looked pretty high mileage and box stock.

If he had a chip that tended towards the rich side, you could get some smoke. My 951 rarely smoked, even with a test pipe. A turbo that's blowing oil can also lead to smoking. Regardless, anytime you can take out a quick car with a 4 door, it's something to be proud of.

i didnt realize how many 951 owner were on here...thats pretty carzy.do any of you guy have traction issues in 1 and 2 when the turbo is spooled? obviously you wont if your stock(im running a garrett gt35r), but im just wondering bc i can burn the hell out of my 255's in 1st and 2nd

I did have traction issues with my 87 turbo with no LSD. With the 88 S I've had no problem at all.

^^^^^^^what mods doyou have?? my 86 has lsd^^^^^^^^^^

My mods are mainly bolt on.
3" Exhaust
Lindsey DP wastegate with Manual controller
Scivision MAF (Stealth look) needed for CA smog visual insp.
951 Max chip mapped for 15-18 psi on 91 octane pump gas
3 BAR FPR
turbo is stock k26-8 recently rebuilt.

This is the third chip I've tried on the car. I used to have Autothority Stage II and switched to Guru 18 psi chips in 2002. Now there's a new Perf chip developer called 951 max. I a sucker for new items for these cars since there's not many tuners out there that develops new products for these cars. So far I'm pretty happy with it and definitely a step up from the 2 previous chips.

Here's some stat's from Lindsey Racing test.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=LR&Category_Code=951PACK300

sounds nice
mine are autithority satge 2 chip/MAF, garrett gt35r turbo, digital boost controller, 4inch b&b exhaust, hard pipes, 3bar fpr,tial wastegate,lindsey stage 2 intecooler, lindsey stage 2 clutch, lindsey highflow head, and thats all i can think of now...i need a chip that can support more boost because when i turn it up to around 17-18 psi it detinates and runs really lean. do you know of a better chip i could use until i go for a standalone system?

With the boost in the mid 20's I have traction issues into 3rd, but my car isnt an average 951. My car made 394whp with a bad crank trigger, never seeing peak hp, on pump gas.

If you guys go stand alone go with the Tec3R plug and play setup from Chris White @ 944 Enhancement. It's what I run and Chris is a stand up guy with great tech support.

For the best chip today you can use either of the two listed below. Vitesse makes great chips and MAF kits as well as turbo but he is a little pricey for custom chips. He has a great reputation within the 951 community on Rennlist.

http://www.vitesseracing.com/

Maxhpkit is new chip tuner. His name is Russell and he is a great guy to work with specially custop chip for your specific application. His prices are reasonable too.

http://www.maxhpkit.com/

Another site Promax motorsports in England. I've dealt with Andrew several times.

http://www.promaxmotorsport.com/

sounds nice
mine are autithority satge 2 chip/MAF, garrett gt35r turbo, digital boost controller, 4inch b&b exhaust, hard pipes, 3bar fpr,tial wastegate,lindsey stage 2 intecooler, lindsey stage 2 clutch, lindsey highflow head, and thats all i can think of now...i need a chip that can support more boost because when i turn it up to around 17-18 psi it detinates and runs really lean. do you know of a better chip i could use until i go for a standalone system?Forget the chip stuff go with a standalone. Thats what my buddies using in his custom 968 Turbo. This car will terrorize NY!;)

Forget the chip stuff go with a standalone. Thats what my buddies using in his custom 968 Turbo. This car will terrorize NY!;)

Do you know which one he is using?

You guys have some nicely modded 951s. My '87 had a Weltmeister chip set, shimmed wastegate, LBE, test pipe, Bilstein Sports and 17" C2 wheels. I also added a VDO boost gauge in a 968 pocket under the radio. Running 15 psi (stock turbo) it was a damn fast car, so I can't imagine what yours are like.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5378/224gs.jpg

I miss it dearly.......

Forget the chip stuff go with a standalone. Thats what my buddies using in his custom 968 Turbo. This car will terrorize NY!;)
lol. what standalone system is he using?

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5378/224gs.jpg

I miss it dearly.......
looks clean man...you have the same interior as me.
im still deciding between cup style wheels or turbo twist...what do you guys think?

Turbo Twists are played out, I have a set of black ones for track wheels.

http://www.mturck.com/944/Wet951.jpg
I like Cup II's. :)

I think the C2s fit the 951 better than the twists. Not that the twists are bad, the C2s are just better.:D

WOW those are gorgeous cars! That black one looks evil!

I do not have the dyno charts here at my office, I have them at home and will remember to bring em for ya! We chose a KKK hybrid K27/9, its fantastic. I also have pics when they installed the turbo.

My car will shoot flames anytime. My car will also make black smoke when it is cold, but also when I first get into the boost 2-3 times until it blows out the unburnt fuel from cold start up. Lets see if I can post this pic....here is my baby!! She has won 4 First place wins, 1 3rd place win and over all Grand Champ of 2005 in the PCA concours.

Man you guys are making me drool over your cars. I hope the other forum members doesn't get mad at this topic.

Here's mine with the 18" turbo twist.
http://members.rennlist.com/cas951/My951S01.JPG

Other pics can be seen here.
http://my951s.photosite.com/Album1/?page=1

Turbo Twists are played out, I have a set of black ones for track wheels.

http://www.mturck.com/944/Wet951.jpg
I like Cup II's. :)


Your car is gorgeous .. it's the reason I'd pickup a black 951