I got owned.
I was crusing at about 90 on the way home Saturday night. I see two sets of headlights coming up on me VERY fast, and they pass me at around 130. Caught in the moment from the screaming V8's, I give chase and catch up to them. A second later, the Cobra exits, and it's just me and the goat. I really had no intentions of racing but he kept instigating me. We speed up to about 120 and without warning he punches it and I do the same. From 120-140 he had pulled almost 4 car lengths on me. I was killed.:(

Sux for u! There is no substitute for Displacement!

Damn...

take it from me, those goats will rape almost anything....havnt lost yet

s54 or 2?

Sux for u! There is no substitute for Displacement!


i know a guy with a 9 sec beetle (has a 1.7L n/a engine btw)

do you have the good or bad 3.2?

lol .. you gave chase , but had no intentions on racing :devillook
sounds like the gto is quite the highway beast ,, nice run

Would've been funner with a S54

do you have the good or bad 3.2?

bad 3.2, ahahahaha

There is no REPLACEMENT for DISPLACEMENT.

Had to correct that sorry excuse for what should be an azs kicking pun.

Rogo

take it from me, those goats will rape almost anything....havnt lost yet
Your an uneducated idiot!

You drive 5.7L goat they arent anything special.

Would've been funner with a S54

I slowly inched on a 6L GTO w/ the '54 during a highway pull. :devillook

Cool sig pic istablurr :)

Are GTOs fast?

Rogo

Sux for u! There is no substitute for Displacement!

Oh yeah there is. It's called forced induction baby! It's not the size, or displacement, of the engine that matters. It's the amount of air and fuel you feed it. That is the displacement that matters!

Your an uneducated idiot!

You drive 5.7L goat they arent anything special.

I agree, this guy is a tard.

I slowly inched on a 6L GTO w/ the '54 during a highway pull. :devillook

That shows you just how much greater the S54 is.

Your an uneducated idiot!

You drive 5.7L goat they arent anything special.

Say that to all the single digit F-bodys.

i've pulled on a 6.0 GTO on the street...it's fast but not as fast as you'd think.

Your an uneducated idiot!

You drive 5.7L goat they arent anything special.
so you drive an e36 m3 those arent anything special either....Theres so many on this forum. Just cause its the smaller engine doesnt mean it isnt fast. Still comes stock from factory with 350hp.

If you check www.ls1gto.com you will see some 04 GTO's have gone as fast as low 13's and 05+ GTO's have dipped into the 12's. Their independant rear suspension makes them hard to launch. Now not all GTO's will run those times and weather plays a factor, but they are fast, especially from a roll. I test drove a '06 last night and when I got back in my 540 I thought I was rolling in a 318.

so you drive an e36 m3 those arent anything special either....Theres so many on this forum. Just cause its the smaller engine doesnt mean it isnt fast. Still comes stock from factory with 350hp.
doesnt the m3s have 333 hp?? plus the engine is smaller so the car is lighter...and if you take a typical m3 owner, they usually know how to race, whereas somebody with a gto just reads the manual on how fast their car can go......

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess

doesnt the m3s have 333 hp?? plus the engine is smaller so the car is lighter...and if you take a typical m3 owner, they usually know how to race, whereas somebody with a gto just reads the manual on how fast their car can go......

Never have been a chevy fan, doubt I ever will be, but GTO guys generally know how to race...

doesnt the m3s have 333 hp?? plus the engine is smaller so the car is lighter...and if you take a typical m3 owner, they usually know how to race, whereas somebody with a gto just reads the manual on how fast their car can go......


There's a whole section on racing in the manual.

:devillook

FD

The S54 is a bunch heavier than the all-aluminum LS1 and LS2. More displacement doesn't mean bigger or heavier.

There's a whole section on racing in the manual.

:devillook

FD

dammit everytime!!! i think i heard is says something like.....control your emotions and you will control that cougar.....

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess

:lol :lol
A C6 coupe 6spd does NOT run a 13.2. The Car and Driver times were 12.5 and 12.4 I believe, Motor Trend was 12.5 as well I believe.

When I went to Lebanon Valley last time (drag strip) there was a guy with a bone stock '05 that ran a 12.6 the first time he ever had it down the track. Almost 90 degree heat as well.

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess


People have hit high 12's with ls1 f-bodys. I dont see whats so amazing about an ls2 gto doing it with the right conditions.

Say that to all the single digit F-bodys.
Once again showing how annoying you are :rolleyes. Any car can run single digets. Last time i check GTO's didn't run single digits from the factory :D kthxby

so you drive an e36 m3 those arent anything special either....Theres so many on this forum. Just cause its the smaller engine doesnt mean it isnt fast. Still comes stock from factory with 350hp.
Firstly, I never argued the "special" factor of my car. And I will be the first admit my car isnt a dragster :rolleyes Thats not what I was made for nor the reason why i bought it. K? Also yes, this is a BMW forum so finding a high amount of BMWs shouldn't be surprising. Just like you will find a ton of GTO's on any LS1, Pontiac or GTO forum. Also, why are you bringing size into this? And congrats on it comming with 350hp stock. Plenty of other cars come with nearly the same, or more horsepower and arent fast. Whats your point?
It might seem fast to you in a straight line so obviously you haven't been in many fast cars.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corvette-Timeslip-9643.html :devillook

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corvette-Timeslip-9643.html :devillook

Truth


Also,i believe the fastest time for a stock M3 was a high 12.

The new GTO coming out is changing yet again, only it will be a Camaro just re-badged. They look grossly heavy, let's hope it's not true. The current GTO looks bloated and loses it's lines at the rear, hopefully they fix it. Here is the concept: http://www.welovepontiacs.com/concept_cars/2008gto.html

If you ask me though, this is the car they need to build right here. Talk about cornering the market: http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2008_pontiac_trans_am_concept/photo_01.html

Just give them a great feel, ride, and suspension like the Germans and Japanese do so well. We know the power is there.

PS, looks BAD in black: http://www.transamtech.com/concepttech.shtml
Another iteration: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27714

The new GTO coming out is changing yet again, only it will be a Camaro just re-badged. They look grossly heavy, let's hope it's not true. The current GTO looks bloated and loses it's lines at the rear, hopefully they fix it. Here is the concept: http://www.welovepontiacs.com/concept_cars/2008gto.html

If you ask me though, this is the car they need to build right here. Talk about cornering the market: http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2008_pontiac_trans_am_concept/photo_01.html

Just give them a great feel, ride, and suspension like the Germans and Japanese do so well. We know the power is there.

PS, looks BAD in black: http://www.transamtech.com/concepttech.shtml
Another iteration: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27714

Both are ugly cars.

IDK, the black reminds me of the Smokey and the Bandit days. It looks way better than the current GTO and Camaro concept. I would still much rather spend the money on a used 2003/2004 Mustang Cobra if I was looking for a muscle car.

Off topic:

1993E36, is that BMW "nos" a FWD? haha I see smoke comming out of the front tires...

Once again showing how annoying you are :rolleyes. Any car can run single digets. Last time i check GTO's didn't run single digits from the factory :D kthxby


Firstly, I never argued the "special" factor of my car. And I will be the first admit my car isnt a dragster :rolleyes Thats not what I was made for nor the reason why i bought it. K? Also yes, this is a BMW forum so finding a high amount of BMWs shouldn't be surprising. Just like you will find a ton of GTO's on any LS1, Pontiac or GTO forum. Also, why are you bringing size into this? And congrats on it comming with 350hp stock. Plenty of other cars come with nearly the same, or more horsepower and arent fast. Whats your point?
It might seem fast to you in a straight line so obviously you haven't been in many fast cars.


+1

take it from me, those goats will rape almost anything....havnt lost yet

:rofl

I think you goat guys have an over-inflated view of yourselves. ;)

take it from me, those goats will rape almost anything....havnt lost yet

Didn't you just get that GTO yesterday? :confused

What have you spend the last 24 hours racing every Hyundia and minivan on the road? :shifty

The new GTO coming out is changing yet again, only it will be a Camaro just re-badged. They look grossly heavy, let's hope it's not true. The current GTO looks bloated and loses it's lines at the rear, hopefully they fix it. Here is the concept: http://www.welovepontiacs.com/concept_cars/2008gto.html

If you ask me though, this is the car they need to build right here. Talk about cornering the market: http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2008_pontiac_trans_am_concept/photo_01.html

Just give them a great feel, ride, and suspension like the Germans and Japanese do so well. We know the power is there.

PS, looks BAD in black: http://www.transamtech.com/concepttech.shtml
Another iteration: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27714


Everything right now for the most part on a future Zeta platform GTO is purely speculation other the possibility that there will be one. All those are renderings and photochops...In fact, I think I know the guy who chopped the camaro look-alike GTO that you linked...

Didn't you just get that GTO yesterday? :confused

What have you spend the last 24 hours racing every Hyundia and minivan on the road? :shifty
When your high on lsd time lapses and a day becomes a year.

:rofl

I think you goat guys have an over-inflated view of yourselves. ;)
+1

We need to ban topics about GTOs and Nissans on this board, they always go nuts.

they have been making this big ugly car since 2001 and haven't changed a thing, they need to kill the program all together. i have a friend who works at a pontiac dealership and he says it is one of the worst selling cars on the lot. it's quick, but not the fastest thing on the street.

I think they did kill it.

they have been making this big ugly car since 2001 and haven't changed a thing, they need to kill the program all together. i have a friend who works at a pontiac dealership and he says it is one of the worst selling cars on the lot. it's quick, but not the fastest thing on the street.

Actually, it has only been around here since 2004. Production has ended I believe. It was only made to be around for a few years. Now, the Holden Monaro on the other hand has been around for quite a while (of course, not here, but in Australia). Their HSV program has many other cool variants of it...Too bad we don't get them here. They are much better looking than our GTO. Granted, I wouldn't call the GTO ugly...bland, but not ugly (of course, that's just opinion). Hell, the 05+ are rather nice looking in certain colors (mainly black)...

no, all together.
same with the camaro, that is one of the ugliest cars i have ever seen.

gm just needs to stop.

I dunno.. GTO's are quick... I gave suite to a new 06 6.0l in my tubro E30 (which btw has no problem beating E46 m3s on the highway) and he took off with a 2cl advantage and I maybe only gained one CL on him up to about 140mph or so...

I loved the styling of the 2004-2006 GTOs. Many said they were too bland but I thought it was the right mix. I dont like cars like the 2006 mustang or 2006 eclipse. They are a little too extreme for me.

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess

13.2 for a C6 Vette 6-spd? Where do you get your test numbers from? Consumer Reports?

A car that has 80 more hp and weights 300 lbs less than my 99 Cobra is only 0.3 tenths of a second faster in the quarter? I don't think so.

Sux for u! There is no substitute for Displacement!
Oh yeah there is. It's called forced induction baby! It's not the size, or displacement, of the engine that matters. It's the amount of air and fuel you feed it. That is the displacement that matters!

:werd: i can attest to that :devillook

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess

Oh LORD, not another magazine racer....are you kidding me?? Real world numbers are what matters bro. Its no secret that magazine drivers SUCK. There are ALWAYS faster times had by owners all over the world, for any car for that matter. What's the fastest magazine test you've seen for a C5 Z06? Let me guess...something around 12.4@114-115mph?? Well I've ran mine to the time in the signiture STOCK in 104* air temps with a completely heat soaked engine. Many people have hit 11's stock in them, and that is exactly my plan before I do one single mod to the car.

I've seen a few GTOs dip into the 12s first hand. And to your post about a C6 6spd only being able to run 13.2.....do you really even believe that yourself??? I would love to see where you've seen this posted. The C6 6spd is an EASY mid to higher 12second car from the factory. Go over to corvetteforum.com and see for yourself if you want to get some FACTUAL info.

I just can't understand why time and time again I witness people who see something published in a magazine, and to them that is IT, nothing faster shall be accomplished because they read somewhere that it ran XX.XX@XXXmph.:rolleyes

I'd really be amazed to see a GTO run high 12's stock.

The published, corrected number for a C6 coupe 6spd is 13.2. Pack on 425 extra pounds in a car that you already admitted is hard to launch and run the exact same E.T. (if not better). That's impressive.

I can't believe you guys are actually arguing over the old "no replacemnt for displacment... some things just never get old I guess



bro, i think you may be mistaking the C6 for the C5. The C5 was rated by most mags as a 13.1 1/4 mile car. The C6 is rated by those same mags as a 12.6 1/4 mile car( or is it 12.7?). Now i know this is mag racing, but just to give an idea of what the C5 and C6 are "supposed" to do is the point here.

good death by the OP. You were just out powered. You can't win them all.

The new GTO coming out is changing yet again, only it will be a Camaro just re-badged. They look grossly heavy, let's hope it's not true. The current GTO looks bloated and loses it's lines at the rear, hopefully they fix it. Here is the concept: http://www.welovepontiacs.com/concept_cars/2008gto.html

If you ask me though, this is the car they need to build right here. Talk about cornering the market: http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2008_pontiac_trans_am_concept/photo_01.html

Just give them a great feel, ride, and suspension like the Germans and Japanese do so well. We know the power is there.

PS, looks BAD in black: http://www.transamtech.com/concepttech.shtml
Another iteration: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27714

OH MY HEAVENS! That TA is nice! I really hope that comes out lookin like that from the factory.

http://www.automobilemag.com/test_data/

Automobile magazine published 13.2 @112 for a C6 coupe 6spd.

Can you find a faster published number, sure. Do I think a C6 can run 12s stock, sure. That's why I said I was suprised that a GTO could run the same ET.

Did I say it was impossible to run high 12's in a stock LS2 GTO, no, but it is pretty impressive.

Like I said, I've never really be into Chevy's, but only a fool would deny that the LS2's trq curve makes for some truly impressive numbers.

To say magazine drivers "suck" is a little extreme. They are not the best drag racers you can find, but they are atleast decent.

the 6.0L GTO is a beast, and i have wanted to get one for quite some time. Though lately im looking into the SRT-8 300C which though weighs 4100lbs and is underrated at 425hp, has ran stock a 12.5 @ 111mph. Another car in the same field, imo, is a CTS-v which also can hit 12's but does it much less seldom because of its incredibly weak back end. CTS-v has 400hp, c6 or c5 z06 corvette engine according to which year you get and weighs about 3800lbs. The GTO is probably the slowest of the the three, but they are still so close that it comes down to driver capabilities. I think most should watch out for these cars, because the srt and the cts can be bought for low 30's with very little miles on them, and the gto can be bought brand new for about 30K.

BTW, for those that are into cars, which car would u consider?

The OP's post was like reading a book, from end to begining. At least give us a cliff-hanger, come on.

the 6.0L GTO is a beast, and i have wanted to get one for quite some time. Though lately im looking into the SRT-8 300C which though weighs 4100lbs and is underrated at 425hp, has ran stock a 12.5 @ 111mph. Another car in the same field, imo, is a CTS-v which also can hit 12's but does it much less seldom because of its incredibly weak back end. CTS-v has 400hp, c6 or c5 z06 corvette engine according to which year you get and weighs about 3800lbs. The GTO is probably the slowest of the the three, but they are still so close that it comes down to driver capabilities. I think most should watch out for these cars, because the srt and the cts can be bought for low 30's with very little miles on them, and the gto can be bought brand new for about 30K.

BTW, for those that are into cars, which car would u consider?


Hell, you can find 6.0 GTO's for mid to high 20s now. Out of the 3 I would probably get a GTO, but if you were willing to spend a little more my vote would go to a brand new 335i!

i know a guy with a 9 sec beetle (has a 1.7L n/a engine btw)

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! YOUR SIG IS FUCKING FUNNY AS HELL.

take it from me, those goats will rape almost anything....havnt lost yet


Bring it. And I see you have the older version, the 5.7L? :rofl I'll start in 2nd.


--
I've raced three 5.7L and that was complete annihilation and the 6.0L aren't that difficult either, although they put up a good fight. I ran a 6L a couple months ago from a 60 punch and it wasn't even close to 140. I let off and it was a couple car lengths. He didn't even bother getting next to me after that.


FWIW,
Most guys with the 6L are running very low 13's@107-108mph, but that's most guys.

I ran a 13.01@110 with my car.

I think in my race, I was the better driver, but I still think an E39 can take one if you can shift decently.

I was at the track about six months ago when I was lined up against a 6.0L GTO 6spd. The guy had done some serious modifications (i.e. headers, gears etc.) for that motor, so he was definitely putting out some good power.

I was in the 951 running ~18 pounds and had a daily best of 11.2@127. For some reason, they let him go a bit early than I did, so obviously he hadn't be doing that well, couldn't drive, or something along those lines.

We go and it wasn't even funny what this guy ran; 12.8@112 :eyecrazy (I ran a slower time, but a better trap 11.4@129).

So, being the nosy and curious guy that I am, I go to find out what exactly he has done. He had anything you can think of N/A done to this car. Intake, throttle body, headers, exhaust, headwork, gears, cams and so on).

He said the best for the day was that 12.6 I couldn't help but ask, shouldn't he be running much faster than that? But, I held back and said, that's something he needs to worry about.


Maybe he just couldn't drive, but that car was definitely 500 crank with his upgrades, if not more.