http://ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1340232.php

18 year old girl + 911 +100 mph + trying to pass = death.

Who could see this coming? :rolleyes. dumb kid, dumb parents, not enough driving education.

Tuesday, October 31, 2006
Ladera Ranch woman killed in 241 collision
The 18-year-old driver of a Porsche 911 lost control at over 100 mph before crossing median and crashing into southbound toll booth.
By RYAN HAMMILL
The Orange County Register
LAKE FOREST — An 18-year-old Ladera Ranch woman was killed in a two-car collision on the north side of the Eastern (241) Toll Road in Lake Forest on Tuesday.

The woman, who was not identified, lost control of a black Porsche 911 Carrera while attempting to pass another vehicle at more than 100 mph, California Highway Patrol officials said.

The Porsche crossed the center median, traveled across south lanes and the Alton Parkway southbound on-ramp, before colliding into a toll booth building.

The woman was pronounced dead at the scene from head trauma.

Police said the woman was attempting to pass a gray Honda Civic traveling about 70 mph in the far left lane, when the Porsche clipped the Honda and lost control.

The Honda then veered to the left and hit the center median.

The driver of the Honda, a 20-year-old man from Rancho Santa Margarita, was taken by ambulance to Mission Hospital with minor to moderate injuries. Both drivers were wearing seatbelts.

Police found open alcoholic beverage containers inside of the Porsche but alcohol is not suspected as a cause of the collision, CHP officials said.
A toll booth operator was believed to be in the structure at the time of the accident. There were no additional injuries, CHP officials said.

Dumb, but RIP.

Wtf???!?!?!?!

another dumb ass kid dies in car crash

dude, first off thats un called for, if that was some one you cared about would u be saying that about them, sure what they did wasnt the smartest thing, but two of my closest friends died last saturday in a car crash, and the news papers came out saying they where street racing, turns out it was a bunch of bs, they were driving down a road a car pulled out in frotn of them, they swerved and ran into a tree.
things arent always the way they seem, try not to disrespect people that die..... idk sounds like a good idea to me :dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno

sorry to be a dick, but do u see where im coming from

^ ture


but still an 18 year old with a 911. although it could have been an old one..

DAYM! Poor P-Car

out of respect for the dead, I wouldn't call em a dumbass..but ohwell

damn i feel sorry for her

socal seems to have all the most recent teen deaths. I feel really bad to be in that stereotype...

dam ya got no respect for the dead huh, RIP

I see bad wrecks every day on my drive across LA to work. Always makes me pissed to see traffic, until I see the cause. It's a real shame people don't drive with more respect for how dangerous speed can be. I feel bad for the girl, but much worse for the guy in the Honda.

Next she's going to say, as she did in another thread, that had the 18 year old girl taken defensive driving classes she without a doubt would have survived. RIP

Ah, but remember, speed doesn't kill, mistakes do.

K



I see bad wrecks every day on my drive across LA to work. Always makes me pissed to see traffic, until I see the cause. It's a real shame people don't drive with more respect for how dangerous speed can be. I feel bad for the girl, but much worse for the guy in the Honda.

Feel sorry for all concerned, speed / power is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. R I P

the ultimate death...

kinda hot actually...

RIP for the girl who died. but this is sole reason as to why insurance rates sky rocket for people between the age of 16-24 years old. unexperienced drivers behind the wheel of a fast car i.e 18 yr female + 911. doesnt add up. I know that there are lots of people out there that like to drive fast, cut people off when the other party is driving slow, but keep in mind that one wrong move or a second late of a reaction makes all the difference. its worth your life nor the lives of others. please have respect for other drivers out there. I've seen two people die from a car crash and they werent even driving, one of them I knew from a friend of mine, and the other died at the age of 19 on santiago canyon while being in the back seat of an IR E46 M3 with an inexperienced 18 year old driver. the 19 year old was the only one who died, and I was there, hearing him yelling out for help and there was nothing that anyone could do because the car was upside down and up in flames. after that incident, it made me think twice about the safety of my life and the life of others around me. I would recommend that people do the same thing

Out of respect for the innocent person in the honda and the worker in the toll booth, Yes the driver of the 911 was a dumbass.

I'm just very angry that kids are dropping like flies because of fast cars, too much ego, and not enough skill to back that ego up. I didn't mean disrespect, just angry. I appologize for all I offended. That aside, she WAS don't something very dumb when she crashed, I think we can all agree to that.

Out of respect for the innocent person in the honda and the worker in the toll booth, Yes the driver of the 911 was a dumbass.

^

I agree with that. But you know who's the real dumbass? Her parents. Its like giving a load gun to a young child. What was her parents thinking when they brought that car for her "Oh my daughter looks hot and she will be the envy of all her classmate". Now the only thing they have of her will be memories and the thought of what she could have become.

Good thing she didn't take out a family with her reckless driving...

I agree angeleyes, kids can't properly assess risk, they don't know what their limit as drivers are. I'd like to think that it wasn't her car, but her parent's car and she was just driving it then, not usually. In any case, another kid is dead because parents trusted her too much.

Ah, but remember, speed doesn't kill, mistakes do.

K

Speed doesn't kill, its how fast velocity changes per second that does.

Speed doesn't kill, its how fast velocity changes per second that does.

:rofl

Why all the posts of people crashing as of late? It's not like it's a new thing...

Also, we don't know if she never had any driving school/CCC experiences. She mucked up a pass and crashed. She made one mistake that ended her life...

:( Poor girl. RIP. I feel bad for everyone that is effected by her passing. The feelings they have as they just lost a friend/daughter/possibly GF.. who knows. It's sad that one mistake like that could change sooo many lives.

Be smart out there everyone. :)

dude, first off thats un called for, if that was some one you cared about would u be saying that about them, sure what they did wasnt the smartest thing, but two of my closest friends died last saturday in a car crash, and the news papers came out saying they where street racing, turns out it was a bunch of bs, they were driving down a road a car pulled out in frotn of them, they swerved and ran into a tree.
things arent always the way they seem, try not to disrespect people that die..... idk sounds like a good idea to me :dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno

sorry to be a dick, but do u see where im coming from
dont worry about silverbeam shes a bitch

someone posted that on the ladera ranch intraweb site, and it seemed like that person was trying to get sympathy.

I would have to say the parents are partially to blame for this incident

This is just like every other "teen dies driving too fast" thread I have read. We will all always have out opinions and if they aren't the same as yours too bad.

Thanks Darwin.


RIP.

edit: After seeing pictures of the aftermath. ****. She did not deserve that.:(

dont worry about silverbeam shes a bitch
she is a girl???? dont see to many girls on here. thats cool tho.

tragic.

The 18-year-old driver of a Porsche 911 lost control at over 100 mph before crossing median and crashing into southbound toll booth.

:eek:




I've heard so many of these stupid stories lately, it's starting to desensitize me. Now when I hear these stories, all I think is, "Dammit, quit making everyone else's insurance go up."

everyone makes mistakes while driving, this mistake happened to be too big for the girl to be able to correct. Driving school would have probably helped her, and she still might be alive today.

everyone makes mistakes while driving, this mistake happened to be too big for the girl to be able to correct. Driving school would have probably helped her, and she still might be alive today.

Common sense would have helped her too.

have you ever looked into law enforcement? you could have your own division that focused on street racing, speeding, reckless driving etc.

kids can't properly assess risk, they don't know what their limit as drivers are. .


Blanket statement.

Im a 17 year old kid, and know exactly what my limits as a driver are. I never go faster than the speed at which i feel comfortable, and never on populated road. Heh, i never really go fast.

There is a 17 year old member of these boards with an 06 m3 and a 996 turbo. He always does 5 under the speed limit.

Not all kids are as stupid as this one, so please dont include every single one of us in your statement.

Blanket statement.

Im a 17 year old kid, and know exactly what my limits as a driver are. I never go faster than the speed at which i feel comfortable, and never on populated road. Heh, i never really go fast.

There is a 17 year old member of these boards with an 06 m3 and a 996 turbo. He always does 5 under the speed limit.

Not all kids are as stupid as this one, so please dont include every single one of us in your statement.

you ever been to the track?

I am not sure if i believe that your buddy always does 5 under the speed limit.

Maybe it was one of those annoying brats from a previous season of "Sweet Sixteen". Mad props to the girls parents...

Blanket statement.

Im a 17 year old kid, and know exactly what my limits as a driver are. I never go faster than the speed at which i feel comfortable, and never on populated road. Heh, i never really go fast.

There is a 17 year old member of these boards with an 06 m3 and a 996 turbo. He always does 5 under the speed limit.

Not all kids are as stupid as this one, so please dont include every single one of us in your statement.

No, the part of the brain that assess risk isn't developed until men are 26 and women are 23. Not a blanket statement, a developmental statement.

dude, first off thats un called for, if that was some one you cared about would u be saying that about them, sure what they did wasnt the smartest thing, but two of my closest friends died last saturday in a car crash, and the news papers came out saying they where street racing, turns out it was a bunch of bs, they were driving down a road a car pulled out in frotn of them, they swerved and ran into a tree.
things arent always the way they seem, try not to disrespect people that die..... idk sounds like a good idea to me :dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno

sorry to be a dick, but do u see where im coming from

where did your two friends crash at.. also R.I.P to the girl who died mistakes come along with experience everyone makes a mistake but it matters how much experience you have in that situation to help deal with that mistake..

she is a girl???? dont see to many girls on here. thats cool tho.

yah but it doesnt disregard the fact that shes a grade A bitch

yah but it doesnt disregard the fact that shes a grade A bitch

why don't you tell us how you really feel

I don't know how many times I've looked in the rear view mirror and seen someone speeding up behind me, passing and nearly clipping the rear corner of my vehicle.

If i had to count I would have lost track a long time ago.

true: speed doesnt kill people - its the rapid slow downs that do. Drive safe people and save it for the track. or better yet dont go to the track at all. theres times when its safe to exercise a little discretion and times when its not.. thats what maturity is all about. 18yo's certainly don't have that yet.

why don't you tell us how you really feel

your the one who said you got sponcered to drift right? well i feel like a dumass because if it was you who said that i looked for your link to the vid.. and i couldnt find you..

why don't you tell us how you really feel

:rofl

your the one who said you got sponcered to drift right? well i feel like a dumass because if it was you who said that i looked for your link to the vid.. and i couldnt find you..

huh???

Old 911 Turbos used to known as Doctor Killers. Cause only doctors could affoard them. They'd get a call and kill themselves rushing to the hospital.

RIP kid.

why don't you tell us how you really feel

what i said it? shes A FUCKING BITCH

No, the part of the brain that assess risk isn't developed until men are 26 and women are 23. Not a blanket statement, a developmental statement.

I know, but I feel as though I do ok analyzing risks.

Just saying, not all of us are stupid. I have nerves of steel when it comes to driving, and never really panic. I can think out a decision in split seconds before I have to react.

My friend, the 5 under thing was an exageration. He never speeds, and always does the speed limit. Drives with hands at correct locations, and has done some good amoutns of track time out in CA.

Woulda passed fine in an e30

what i said it? shes A FUCKING BITCH

I realize you don't like her, that is why I made the joke above. Then you said something about me drifting? But due to your bad grammer and just plane ignorance of the english language, you lost me.

I know, but I feel as though I do ok analyzing risks.

Just saying, not all of us are stupid. I have nerves of steel when it comes to driving, and never really panic. I can think out a decision in split seconds before I have to react.

My friend, the 5 under thing was an exageration. He never speeds, and always does the speed limit. Drives with hands at correct locations, and has done some good amoutns of track time out in CA.
The only person I called a dumbass was the girl in the accident, I didn't call all drivers under the age of 23/26 idiots, I simply pointed out that we cannot assess risk, thus it has to be the parents who knock it into their kids, as the majority of kids will not get it on their own. Auto accidents is the leading cause of death for teens in this country, but only 13% of the nation knows that.

why don't you tell us how you really feel
I could really care less about how a guy with the handle "jackass" thinks about me. However, he's well on his way to a TO if he keeps it up, but I think he knows that.

I know, but I feel as though I do ok analyzing risks.

Just saying, not all of us are stupid. I have nerves of steel when it comes to driving, and never really panic. I can think out a decision in split seconds before I have to react.

My friend, the 5 under thing was an exageration. He never speeds, and always does the speed limit. Drives with hands at correct locations, and has done some good amoutns of track time out in CA.

I was actually asking if you had track time, not your friend. If you don't, I don't think you know "exactly" what your limits are. Analyzing risks though is probably just as important on the street. I give you props for that.

The only person I called a dumbass was the girl in the accident, I didn't call all drivers under the age of 23/26 idiots, I simply pointed out that we cannot assess risk, thus it has to be the parents who knock it into their kids, as the majority of kids will not get it on their own. Auto accidents is the leading cause of death for teens in this country, but only 13% of the nation knows that..

Ok. I misunderstood your first post. We are on the same page.

We've owned a HUGE towing company for about 18 years. Ive seen many fatal accidents, and know that I would not like to be in one. Therefor, my parents have burned the image into my brain not to drive like an idiot.

Blanket statement.

Im a 17 year old kid, and know exactly what my limits as a driver are. I never go faster than the speed at which i feel comfortable, and never on populated road. Heh, i never really go fast.



I'm 21 and Anything under 130mph seems slow to me. Does that mean I drive 130mph...NO. Like the other guy asked, have you ever tracked your car. I honestly believe that until you've lost control of your car at a high rate of speed you'll never truely know what your limits are.

I honestly believe that until you've lost control of your car at a high rate of speed you'll never truely know what your limits are.


Grade A advice from Mike Schumacher here :rofl

http://ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1340232.php

18 year old girl + 911

thats the problem. RIP

thats the problem. RIP

Quit leg humping :rolleyes

haha no that was me with the comment on drifting i was reading an old post about who likes to drift and i dont know if you said you were the one who got sponcerd or not? but if it was you you gave a link to a site and i looked at the vids but couldnt find you.. i wanted to check it out

Common sense would have helped her too.

speeding right before a toll booth is never a good idea, I agree.

where did your two friends crash at.. also R.I.P to the girl who died mistakes come along with experience everyone makes a mistake but it matters how much experience you have in that situation to help deal with that mistake..

in chico cali. allen fleming and collin sweeny. one was 17 the other was 18.

blam the parents, its obvious teen+ porsche = of course the teen is gonna hall ass!

Quit leg humping :rolleyes

Quit stalking.:rolleyes :rolleyes

Quit stalking.:rolleyes :rolleyes

:shifty

:shifty

Bimmerfest... swoop time. :rofl

Bimmerfest... swoop time. :rofl

LOL! SHhhhhsHHh! :devillook

I realize you don't like her, that is why I made the joke above. Then you said something about me drifting? But due to your bad grammer and just plane ignorance of the english language, you lost me.

mmm im not the one with the english problem because if you could read you would see that i didnt post anything about drifting fag.:lol

enjoy your TO

saw this yesterday :( very sad.

although it says she was trying to pass a honda civic :dunno . . . . eek!

technically speed doesn't kill, it is deceleration that kills :(

in chico cali. allen fleming and collin sweeny. one was 17 the other was 18.
i am very sorry for your loss... speed kills.. so do guns.. and so does a rattle snake.. it doesnt matter what kills its you shouldnt be putting your self or anyone else in that situation for the word kill to even come up.. that girl was young had her hole spoiled life ahead of her.. if my parents bought me a porche id tell them sell it and get me a bently and ill never speed a minute in it.. she just thought she was to hot for the world and god put her in her place.. underneath everyone.. :rolleyes

No, the part of the brain that assess risk isn't developed until men are 26 and women are 23. Not a blanket statement, a developmental statement.

Yes and no. The blanket statement exists in different ways. There are people I know who are 50 and still don't know how to asses risk and people who I know who are 16 and can assess risk properly. Honestly, its a by-product of how you grew up. "Part of the brain that assess risk" comon, that kinda NueroScience is still so skeptical that its hard to prove anything like that.

Risk assessment is more a product of personality and mentality than biology. As with this girl, the truth of the matter is we don't know a lot of the conditions. What if she had track time? What would you say then? The only problem with track time that it doesn't teach you is how other people think. The truth in most of these accidents is people not predicting other people's actions. When I go out, I know what my abilities are, I fly as fast as my balls let me, however I don't know what that guy on his cell phone distracted is gonna do. Experiance has taught me how to look for the signs of people distracted, which people are gonna cut me off, when, and how fast they are gonna do it. Driving cross-country in a Big-Rig taught me why truckers do what they do and how to avoid getting hit.

At the end of the day, yes I talk on the phone while driving, but most people who talk to me on the phone realize I am driving because I constantly zone out of the conversation because my primary focus is driving, not talking. However the truth is that people treat driving here as secondary action, not a primary one. Driving is the time to catch up on things, eat, make that apt. at the hairdresser/doctor/whatever, and put on makeup. That is the real shame, and that the California driver's test is a 15 minute long piece of crap that has no mark to international standards. Hell, even the FRENCH, yeah the french have a better driving test than we do. 45 minutes in a manual, mandatory, no autos. You have to prove driving on ALL conditions, and you get points off for rolling back on hills.

The real reason that people screw up is lack of skill. Pure and simple. The fact that people fail our driving test is sad. When I got my license I knew 2 girls who got thiers too, one with an A4 and the other in a brand new 325. The A4 had her lic. suspended in 4 months after 3 accidents. The 325 had 2 accidents. One of them, at 45 mph into a parked car. She actually let go of the steering wheel when there was a fly or a bee in the car so she could swat at it... There are more like this, women and men, but these are the people that we are driving around. Don't blame her parents, don't blame her, blame our society for creating an enviornment that allowed this kinda thing to happen. Do you wanna know the real reason the US will never have the speeds Germany and most of Europe have? Because of our standards of drivers, until our drivers can reach the skill of those drivers, nothing will happen.

When I got my license, 50 hours of behind the wheel was required, 10 at night. Since 13 my mom used to take me around the neighborhood in the car and let me drive as a reward for doing well in school. Yeah it was illegal, but at the end of it all I took my behind the wheel to qualify for my permit and it was nothing more than just driving around, he had almost nothing to teach me. When I took my license test I had over 12,000 miles in 6 states and 3 countries. The only thing hard about the test was remembering to turn on the engine before I started the test. (sarcasm if you missed it...) Since then, I run about 10-18k a year, and considering my job doesn't need to commute, that is a lot of driving, and its all kinds, highway, street, traffic, empty.

Risk assesment thus at the end of the day totally depends on life experiance. My age matters little in all of this, my age is simply nothing more than an indicator most people use to determine my level of stupidity, by the way its an accurate measurement, at least not in my case. Risk assessment is nothing more than RESPECT. Respect for one's life, respect for the car you have and what it can do, and respect for the unknown. When you have that respect then you are not being reckless, you are taking a calculated risk, which is something different.

CLIFF NOTES:
-Respect is the real determiner of risk, not some brain study.
-Not all 18 yo are idiot drivers.
-Most drivers in the US suck because our PRIVILEGE (NOT RIGHT TO) drive is taken too lightly.
-I would like to know what experiance this girl had as well as what year her car was.

Yes and no. The blanket statement exists in different ways. There are people I know who are 50 and still don't know how to asses risk and people who I know who are 16 and can assess risk properly. Honestly, its a by-product of how you grew up. "Part of the brain that assess risk" comon, that kinda NueroScience is still so skeptical that its hard to prove anything like that.

Risk assessment is more a product of personality and mentality than biology. As with this girl, the truth of the matter is we don't know a lot of the conditions. What if she had track time? What would you say then? The only problem with track time that it doesn't teach you is how other people think. The truth in most of these accidents is people not predicting other people's actions. When I go out, I know what my abilities are, I fly as fast as my balls let me, however I don't know what that guy on his cell phone distracted is gonna do. Experiance has taught me how to look for the signs of people distracted, which people are gonna cut me off, when, and how fast they are gonna do it. Driving cross-country in a Big-Rig taught me why truckers do what they do and how to avoid getting hit.

At the end of the day, yes I talk on the phone while driving, but most people who talk to me on the phone realize I am driving because I constantly zone out of the conversation because my primary focus is driving, not talking. However the truth is that people treat driving here as secondary action, not a primary one. Driving is the time to catch up on things, eat, make that apt. at the hairdresser/doctor/whatever, and put on makeup. That is the real shame, and that the California driver's test is a 15 minute long piece of crap that has no mark to international standards. Hell, even the FRENCH, yeah the french have a better driving test than we do. 45 minutes in a manual, mandatory, no autos. You have to prove driving on ALL conditions, and you get points off for rolling back on hills.

The real reason that people screw up is lack of skill. Pure and simple. The fact that people fail our driving test is sad. When I got my license I knew 2 girls who got thiers too, one with an A4 and the other in a brand new 325. The A4 had her lic. suspended in 4 months after 3 accidents. The 325 had 2 accidents. One of them, at 45 mph into a parked car. She actually let go of the steering wheel when there was a fly or a bee in the car so she could swat at it... There are more like this, women and men, but these are the people that we are driving around. Don't blame her parents, don't blame her, blame our society for creating an enviornment that allowed this kinda thing to happen. Do you wanna know the real reason the US will never have the speeds Germany and most of Europe have? Because of our standards of drivers, until our drivers can reach the skill of those drivers, nothing will happen.

When I got my license, 50 hours of behind the wheel was required, 10 at night. Since 13 my mom used to take me around the neighborhood in the car and let me drive as a reward for doing well in school. Yeah it was illegal, but at the end of it all I took my behind the wheel to qualify for my permit and it was nothing more than just driving around, he had almost nothing to teach me. When I took my license test I had over 12,000 miles in 6 states and 3 countries. The only thing hard about the test was remembering to turn on the engine before I started the test. (sarcasm if you missed it...) Since then, I run about 10-18k a year, and considering my job doesn't need to commute, that is a lot of driving, and its all kinds, highway, street, traffic, empty.

Risk assesment thus at the end of the day totally depends on life experiance. My age matters little in all of this, my age is simply nothing more than an indicator most people use to determine my level of stupidity, by the way its an accurate measurement, at least not in my case. Risk assessment is nothing more than RESPECT. Respect for one's life, respect for the car you have and what it can do, and respect for the unknown. When you have that respect then you are not being reckless, you are taking a calculated risk, which is something different.

CLIFF NOTES:
-Respect is the real determiner of risk, not some brain study.
-Not all 18 yo are idiot drivers.
-Most drivers in the US suck because our PRIVILEGE (NOT RIGHT TO) drive is taken too lightly.
-I would like to know what experiance this girl had as well as what year her car was.


Look, we all know you are a superior driver based on your l33t cayon running skills and the fact that you totalled your 330 not to long ago. Where did you get your information?

Look, we all know you are a superior driver based on your l33t cayon running skills and the fact that you totalled your 330 not to long ago. Where did you get your information?

I never claimed my canyon skills to be the reason I am a good driver, and last I check my 330 wasn't totaled and in the accident you speak of, I was rear-ended while up in the canyons yes, but I wasn't running. In fact when it happened my vehicle speed was somewhere below 10 mph, so don't even start anything. Meanwhile I don't know where you got all your information from, because I didn't mention anything about the canyons in my post, so I don't know where that came from. You me better than that Lauren, I advocate saftey up there, I condone runs, but on the basis of everyone driving within their own limits. The whole point of Canyon Club was to have a set of guys who were comfortable driving with each other and could trust each other while on runs, to avoid the kind of crap that happened on a lot of cruises that usually followed meets.

However to answer you question, most of the stuff I wrote about has been gotten through experiance through my own personal observations on 3 continents and talking with people far beyond my own driving skills, aka the people who taught me what I know. By the way, most of them are some sort of proffessional driver, with years of experiance behind the wheel.

And my information comes from scientific studies, the NHTSA, the DMV, and my experinace both on the track and as a volunteer for teen driving programs. Also, as an FYI, you need 50 hours behind the wheel in CA before you can get your license too. And the main causes for teen accidents are: #1 inexperiance #2 fatique #3 peer pressure.

rip!

And my information comes from scientific studies, the NHTSA, the DMV, and my experinace both on the track and as a volunteer for teen driving programs. Also, as an FYI, you need 50 hours behind the wheel in CA before you can get your license too. And the main causes for teen accidents are: #1 inexperiance #2 fatique #3 peer pressure.

I trust the DMV and the NHTSA about as far as I can throw them. I don't trust most studies simply because there is almost always another study with equal credibility that debunks it, but it is never publicized.

I will agree with inexperiance, fatigue, and peer pressure being top reasons, however I would like you to specifically attack the points you find invalid in my post so we can actually have a discussion and not just jab daggers at each other blindly.

I am aware of your experiance, I am sure you are also aware of how much I respect you. In case you think that respect is 0, think again. I will always take heat for what I do and organize in the canyons, so be it, that is my choice and mine alone to make as to what I do in my spare time.

I have 0 respect for the dead.

Therefore, that bitch was a dumb bitch who got what her dumb bitch self deserved.

Ah, but remember, speed doesn't kill, mistakes do.

K


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PS - I am not giving her any RIP
I will give her a RIH, though....ROT IN HELL

I realize you don't like her, that is why I made the joke above. Then you said something about me drifting? But due to your bad grammer and just plane ignorance of the english language, you lost me.


Excellent post. Highly recommended. Would read again. A++++

I didn't tear your post a part piece by piece because I didn't find it worth it. I didn't find it worth it because you are basically saying that the observations you have made over a couple years of driving are better than scientific studies done by scientists in labs and a government organization that has been around for decades researching the "why" behind accidents and the "how" to preventing them.

The NHTSA has a 4 billion dollar budget for the next 4 years on this research, so I'm going to say they are a pretty good source when it comes to the "why" and the "how". I write letters every week weeks trying to get the DMV rules changed for teens, I am very well versed in the problems with the system, as well as the ways to fix them. The only thing I base on my own experiance is my firm believe that this girl has never been on any track in her life. If she was, she would of been too terrified of that car to try anything like she did.

I didn't tear your post a part piece by piece because I didn't find it worth it. I didn't find it worth it because you are basically saying that the observations you have made over a couple years of driving are better than scientific studies done by scientists in labs and a government organization that has been around for decades researching the "why" behind accidents and the "how" to preventing them.

The NHTSA has a 4 billion dollar budget for the next 4 years on this research, so I'm going to say they are a pretty good source when it comes to the "why" and the "how". I write letters every week weeks trying to get the DMV rules changed for teens, I am very well versed in the problems with the system, as well as the ways to fix them. The only thing I base on my own experiance is my firm believe that this girl has never been on any track in her life. If she was, she would of been too terrified of that car to try anything like she did.


I'll have a fresh batch of cookies waiting for you at the next UCI meet if you tear it apart piece by piece.

I didn't tear your post a part piece by piece because I didn't find it worth it. I didn't find it worth it because you are basically saying that the observations you have made over a couple years of driving are better than scientific studies done by scientists in labs and a government organization that has been around for decades researching the "why" behind accidents and the "how" to preventing them.

The NHTSA has a 4 billion dollar budget for the next 4 years on this research, so I'm going to say they are a pretty good source when it comes to the "why" and the "how". I write letters every week weeks trying to get the DMV rules changed for teens, I am very well versed in the problems with the system, as well as the ways to fix them. The only thing I base on my own experiance is my firm believe that this girl has never been on any track in her life. If she was, she would of been too terrified of that car to try anything like she did.

Wrong. What you just said instantly proves you barely skimmed what I wrote, which kind of designates one of the major points I made about respect. After going through the NHTSA rulebooks in my current business enterprise I have come to find how mal-informed this organization is. Insofar as I am concerned, the NHTSA has no say in my sports car so long as they continue to approve people to drive cars like the F-350 dualie and other large SUVs and trucks without any kind of safety excercises or even knowledge that their SUVs are more dangerous in the hands of a teenage than a sports car is.

If you bothered to read my post you would have realized that I wish more people had the experiance I did before getting their license and I advocated not only more stringent driving tests for teens, but for all people. Please Lauren, before you continue, give that post a real reading and realize what i am saying. You brought up mute points that I didn't even mention, the only accident I have I had 0 fault for, I mentioned nothing the canyons in my original post, yet you brought it up, and when you say things like

I didn't find it worth it because you are basically saying that the observations you have made over a couple years of driving

Its a slap in the face becuase it just solidifies you didn't even give me the respect to fully read what I advocated and the language I used. You are a brighter girl than that, use the brain I know you have.

I'll have a fresh batch of cookies waiting for you at the next UCI meet if you tear it apart piece by piece.

You would like that wouldn't you:devillook

Yes and no. The blanket statement exists in different ways. There are people I know who are 50 and still don't know how to asses risk and people who I know who are 16 and can assess risk properly. Honestly, its a by-product of how you grew up. "Part of the brain that assess risk" comon, that kinda NueroScience is still so skeptical that its hard to prove anything like that.
Would you prefer I say average? Sure, it isn't exact, but this is what studies have shown. I only apologize that I cannot find them.

Risk assessment is more a product of personality and mentality than biology.
Risk assessment is a mental process in which you look at process, see if there is a risk, and analysis if that risk is big enough for you not to do it. It is both mental and biological. I argue against it being primarily a personality issue, however, it is true that a type A personality would be more likely to take a risk than a type B, but that doesn’t mean that the risks aren’t uncalculated.

As with this girl, the truth of the matter is we don't know a lot of the conditions. What if she had track time? What would you say then?

Conditions were: dry, afternoon, middle of a right hand unbanked turn. Do you think that someone with track experiance would go to the left to pass someone at 100mph in a right hand unbanked turn?

The only problem with track time that it doesn't teach you is how other people think. The truth in most of these accidents is people not predicting other people's actions.
But you see, it does. Track time shows you: look how hard this is when everyone else is on the same mental page as you, look how much you need to be aware of the other drivers even though they are all being aware of me... now imagine it with a bunch of people yapping on their cell phones and not paying attention. I believe that most accidents happen because of a total ignorance towards other people's action, not an inability to predict them. Instead of thinking, "It's okay if I follow this person too closely, they are likely to stop in time" then dont' think they are following them too closely at all.

When I go out, I know what my abilities are, I fly as fast as my balls let me, however I don't know what that guy on his cell phone distracted is gonna do.

Experiance has taught me how to look for the signs of people distracted, which people are gonna cut me off, when, and how fast they are gonna do it. Driving cross-country in a Big-Rig taught me why truckers do what they do and how to avoid getting hit.

At the end of the day, yes I talk on the phone while driving, but most people who talk to me on the phone realize I am driving because I constantly zone out of the conversation because my primary focus is driving, not talking.
If that were so, then you wouldn't be going balls to the wall when ever you drove, because you'd understand that at your limit your ability to react to such things is greatly deminished. You’d also realize that there isn’t a point to do that, that all you are doing is putting people in danger.

However the truth is that people treat driving here as secondary action, not a primary one. Driving is the time to catch up on things, eat, make that apt. at the hairdresser/doctor/whatever, and put on makeup. That is the real shame, and that the California driver's test is a 15 minute long piece of crap that has no mark to international standards. Hell, even the FRENCH, yeah the french have a better driving test than we do. 45 minutes in a manual, mandatory, no autos. You have to prove driving on ALL conditions, and you get points off for rolling back on hills.
Yes, our test is crap, agreed there. However, there is no international standard for driving.

The real reason that people screw up is lack of skill. Pure and simple.

The fact that people fail our driving test is sad. When I got my license I knew 2 girls who got thiers too, one with an A4 and the other in a brand new 325. The A4 had her lic. suspended in 4 months after 3 accidents. The 325 had 2 accidents. One of them, at 45 mph into a parked car. She actually let go of the steering wheel when there was a fly or a bee in the car so she could swat at it... There are more like this, women and men, but these are the people that we are driving around.
Yep, also true…

Don't blame her parents, don't blame her,
You state that the main cause for accidents is lack of experaince, something the parents have but the child does not, as I've already stated based on risk assessment studies. The child tries to mimick better drivers and doing that with their lack of experiance often times gets in trouble. Just as a juvinile rattlesnake is more deadly than an adult because it doesn't know when to stop releasing venom, so is the young driver more dangerous than the adult. They dont' know. They don't know how to drive, nor do they know that they are being dangerous.

The baby rattlesnake learns from experiance, as does the teens who survive their first few years of driving, those who don't learn die trying. You cannot blame the baby rattlesnake for using too much venom, and you cannot blame the teen for not knowing their limits as a driver or the limits of their car. I DO blame the parents for putting her in a car that far outreached her abilities and for not seeing that she got the education needed.

blame our society for creating an enviornment that allowed this kinda thing to happen. Do you wanna know the real reason the US will never have the speeds Germany and most of Europe have? Because of our standards of drivers, until our drivers can reach the skill of those drivers, nothing will happen.
Yes, standards need to be stricter, but we can't depend on the government to do everything. Even if the DMV were to start working on changing the test today, it would take a decade before teens started taking the new test. Parents are obligated for the sake of the lives of their children to do most of the teaching. They are obgliated to make sure their children are safe. The DMV did not put her in a 911, her parents did.

When I got my license, 50 hours of behind the wheel was required, 10 at night
That is the standard for CA.

Since 13 my mom used to take me around the neighborhood in the car and let me drive as a reward for doing well in school. Yeah it was illegal, but at the end of it all I took my behind the wheel to qualify for my permit and it was nothing more than just driving around, he had almost nothing to teach me. When I took my license test I had over 12,000 miles in 6 states and 3 countries. The only thing hard about the test was remembering to turn on the engine before I started the test. (sarcasm if you missed it...) Since then, I run about 10-18k a year, and considering my job doesn't need to commute, that is a lot of driving, and its all kinds, highway, street, traffic, empty.
You're parents took their responsibility seriously, most do not. And just as an FYI: the average mileage driven each year in the US is 15,000 miles, so no, you don't drive a lot.

Risk assesment thus at the end of the day totally depends on life experiance. My age matters little in all of this, my age is simply nothing more than an indicator most people use to determine my level of stupidity, by the way its an accurate measurement, at least not in my case. Risk assessment is nothing more than RESPECT. Respect for one's life, respect for the car you have and what it can do, and respect for the unknown. When you have that respect then you are not being reckless, you are taking a calculated risk, which is something different.
Look back at how you drove when you first got your license. Now you probably think, "wow, I was a moron". Think about the stupid stuff you did when you were in grade school, still you probably think, "wow, I was a moron". You are too young to be able to look at your life and think, yeah, I know what's going on. you think you can, just like you thought you knew everything at 16, at 12. But later down the road you'll look back and think the same thing.

I'm not old enough to see if I'm doing okay, I can only keep doing what I think is right and hope it is. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll think, "wow, I was a moron". As I've already stated, risk assessment is more than respect. It's more than "can my car do this" it is "is it safe to do this".

CLIFF NOTES:
-Respect is the real determiner of risk, not some brain study.
Sorry, didn't know you were a scientist.
-Not all 18 yo are idiot drivers.
never said they were, simply stated that they are inexperienced, which I think you will agree with,
-Most drivers in the US suck because our PRIVILEGE (NOT RIGHT TO) drive is taken too lightly.
huh, funny, I thought you said most of them suck because our rules and regulations are far too relaxed.
-I would like to know what experiance this girl had as well as what year her car was.
As would I, but based on how the accident happened and where she lives I'm going to guess minimal and new.

Are you happy?

I'll do this one too as a bonus
Wrong. What you just said instantly proves you barely skimmed what I wrote, which kind of designates one of the major points I made about respect. After going through the NHTSA rulebooks in my current business enterprise I have come to find how mal-informed this organization is. Insofar as I am concerned, the NHTSA has no say in my sports car so long as they continue to approve people to drive cars like the F-350 dualie and other large SUVs and trucks without any kind of safety excercises or even knowledge that their SUVs are more dangerous in the hands of a teenage than a sports car is.

Here is some of the advise the NHTSA gives to parents:
Choose vehicles for safety, not image. Teenagers should drive vehicles that reduce their chances of a crash and offer protection in case they do crash. For example, small cars don’t offer the best protection in a crash. Avoid cars with performance images that might encourage speeding. Avoid trucks and sport utility vehicles — the smaller ones, especially, are more prone to roll over.

I agree they should test the larger ones, but that has to do with stuff outside of their current control. Those vehicles are rated for commerical, not private, use and thus are outside of their means of testing. They are classifed that way because of the lobbyists for the car companies.

I'll do this one too as a bonus


Here is some of the advise the NHTSA gives to parents:
Choose vehicles for safety, not image. Teenagers should drive vehicles that reduce their chances of a crash and offer protection in case they do crash. For example, small cars don’t offer the best protection in a crash. Avoid cars with performance images that might encourage speeding. Avoid trucks and sport utility vehicles — the smaller ones, especially, are more prone to roll over.

I agree they should test the larger ones, but that has to do with stuff outside of their current control. Those vehicles are rated for commerical, not private, use and thus are outside of their means of testing. They are classifed that way because of the lobbyists for the car companies.

*Steps down from her podium and says "No more questions thank you"* :D

SB is just hating on a young chick driving a P car..

And just as an FYI: the average mileage driven each year in the US is 15,000 miles, so no, you don't drive a lot.

Consider that I don't commute to school or work. when I had the time, I tagged on about 500-800 miles a week 3 weeks a month to my car. Only reason holding me back now is I don't have that kind of time.

Do you think that someone with track experiance would go to the left to pass someone at 100mph in a right hand unbanked turn?
I thought she screwed up on a straight, but moving to the outside of a turn, TO PASS, nevermind she fuckedup royally. I will give you that one, track experiance could have saved her ass in this case.

huh, funny, I thought you said most of them suck because our rules and regulations are far too relaxed.
Most of them have that attitude about driving because our rules are so relaxed. We leave people with too much room to screw up in.

If that were so, then you wouldn't be going balls to the wall when ever you drove, because you'd understand that at your limit your ability to react to such things is greatly deminished. You’d also realize that there isn’t a point to do that, that all you are doing is putting people in danger.
When I said go out I should have been more specific, when I go out to drive, not point a to point b, but out on a run or its equivalent. However when I do something I do it to the extent that I know I will not have any negative effects on anyone else's life. Before I go out into a situation that is dangerous, I fully understand that I may not come out of this alive, and all of my close friends know , as morbid as this seems, they know what my desires in death are. I have faced that reality for a long time and I understand.

But you see, it does. Track time shows you: look how hard this is when everyone else is on the same mental page as you, look how much you need to be aware of the other drivers even though they are all being aware of me... now imagine it with a bunch of people yapping on their cell phones and not paying attention. I believe that most accidents happen because of a total ignorance towards other people's action, not an inability to predict them. Instead of thinking, "It's okay if I follow this person too closely, they are likely to stop in time" then dont' think they are following them too closely at all.

Track time doesn't teach you how to predict distracted drivers. When I am out on the track pretty much everyone there has their mind on driving and tends to concentrate on driving, rather than which exit to take and where to pickup the kids. Track time does however teach you evasive maneuvers to avoid these (stupid) people.

Look back at how you drove when you first got your license. Now you probably think, "wow, I was a moron". Think about the stupid stuff you did when you were in grade school, still you probably think, "wow, I was a moron". You are too young to be able to look at your life and think, yeah, I know what's going on. you think you can, just like you thought you knew everything at 16, at 12. But later down the road you'll look back and think the same thing.
I agree with that, but that means that everythign is a learning experiance. When you met me, I was excited to see that silver M3 blasting doughbuts in the parking lot. 6 months later I was yelling at someone for doing the same thing at a meet in the same location because I thought he was a fucking moron for doing it that close to other cars and people just walking around.

However no one is in the position to say much because everyone is always learning. At the end of the day you have to look at life and say "How much safety is too much safety?" I don't wanna live in a bubble. "I wanna live while I am still alive." is one of the best quotes ever. I live it to an exent I can survive my experiance but not stupidly to the extent I am blasting 85+ every time I get on the freeway.

Balls to the wall during my daily driving happens only when I am avoiding that one guy cutting me off to make 4 lane changes in 500 feet.

Are you happy?
Yeah, you finally read it. Thanks:thumbup: I am very happy for the experiance that I have had on this forum. Being with the right people,like you, here has definately increased my maturity level since I joined. I am happy to celebrate 2 years on this forum here and my only regrets were that I didn't join sooner. At the end of the day there are a lot of factors that contribute to stupidity behind the wheel.

Wump, yeah Darwin is at work, good job to him so we avoid another boutique car driving soccer mom on the freeway.

*Steps down from her podium and says "No more questions thank you"*
I think its not a podium but a soap-box. lol. Don't take offense, its only meant as a joke.

I agree they should test the larger ones, but that has to do with stuff outside of their current control. Those vehicles are rated for commerical, not private, use and thus are outside of their means of testing. They are classifed that way because of the lobbyists for the car companies.
I personally think a sports car is a better choice than an SUV for the simple reason of brakes and car control. At least if they try to correct they have some margin of being able to regain control or at least have less momentum when they smash into something. However I oppose all high profile vehicles, minivans may be the exception, without someone qualified to drive them. People just don't understand than an SUV is NOT a car and thus shouldn't be treated like one. In this way I think everyone would be safer.

found a small pic

Alright Maruan, I understand your possition and I hope we can call a truce.

It is amazing how far she flew, well probably not for her speed, but we're talking a median that is about 3 lanes wide, three lanes of traffic + another in the shoulders, the median you see, another two lanes of traffic + shoulder... the speed and impact is just shocking.

Alright Maruan, I understand your possition and I hope we can call a truce.

It is amazing how far she flew, well probably not for her speed, but we're talking a median that is about 3 lanes wide, three lanes of traffic + another in the shoulders, the median you see, another two lanes of traffic + shoulder... the speed and impact is just shocking.

AWESOME :thumbsup: Truce FTW as always.

Damn, there is nothign left of that thing

found a small pic

:eek:

found a small pic WOW< nothing left, they those booths can come out of nowhere, bet she did not know it was there during the pass.

Silverbeam, expect cookies the next time I'm at the UCI meet (probably next tuesday).

My suburban PWNS all of you.

Silverbeam, expect cookies the next time I'm at the UCI meet (probably next tuesday).

Fuck that shit bring some fucking calzones.

:eek: wow. regardless of how irresponsible she was driving, thats really a shame. she should not have been driving that car in the first place. reminds me of a friend i had that got his dads 996 at age 20, and ended up losing control and flying off the road into a ditch and into the back of a building. of course it was a result of him doing about 80+ down crown valley pkwy :rolleyes . he walked away unharmed thankfully. i had a thread on it in OT a couple years ago...

silverbeam, i know this has been beaten to death but this girl was really really good friends with one of my good friends. did i know her no, but for his sake dont call her a dumbass, secondly and this is going to intrest alot of you but she stole that porsche from her father, this was more of a suicide mission than an accident.

Wow, Wump, I don't know what to say. Well, first off, you're a total piece of crap and deserve to burn in hell. I've never wished anyone to hell, but I will wish you to hell for the crap that you say. Second, if you're such a billy bad ass, why not meet up with me so we can fist fight like true men. Oh, and third, you're the ugliest mf I've ever seen in my life. I'll bet you never get laid. Get a face transplant, fat ass. Oh, and Silverbeam, I hope you die by some serial killer shoving a treble hook down your throat, ripping it out, ripping your eyeballs from your skull, and then beating your face in with a 40 pound rock.

:lol Haha now that was what someone should of said from the beggining.. that you girl did not deserve that no matter how stupid she was or how stupid she was driving.. thats somones daughter.. neice.. girlfriend.. best friend.. who ever experienced her crash that was close to her is going through a lot of pain that they shouldnt have to and you guys talking crap about her doesnt make the situation any better.. a porche is just a machine you can die by anything that has a motor and four wheels it just matters the situation your in.. I BET ONE BILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD NOT GO UP TO HER FAMILY MEMEMBERS AND FRIENDS AND TALK YOUR $HIT.. hell of disrespectful... :mad:confused

Driving erratically. Clipping the end of a car. Causing injuries to two innocent people (who probably also have families, however they survived.)

Doesn't exactly sound intelligent.

But yah, the girl is dead. Let her lay to rest in peace.

We should do the same thing to this thread.

haha i know someone here is going to get in a fight with eachother if they live in the same area..

:eyecrazy

:nono

:shifty:shifty:shifty

she was cute and was driving his dad's car, not hers.

Nicole Catsouras, 18, of Ladera Ranch has been identified as the woman killed Tuesday afternoon after her black Porsche 911 Carrera clipped a Honda.

She was trying to pass on the right at more than 100 mph on the Foothill (241) Toll Road, the California Highway Patrol said.

Catsouras was driving her father's vehicle south near Alton Parkway when she suddenly switched lanes and lost control of the Porsche. She then cut across the center median, careened across traffic lanes and crashed into an unmanned tollbooth, CHP officials said.

The driver of the Honda Civic, Justin Thompson, 20, of Rancho Santa Margarita, was treated for minor injuries.

The cause of the accident is under investigation.


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dude, first off thats un called for, if that was some one you cared about would u be saying that about them, sure what they did wasnt the smartest thing, but two of my closest friends died last saturday in a car crash, and the news papers came out saying they where street racing, turns out it was a bunch of bs, they were driving down a road a car pulled out in frotn of them, they swerved and ran into a tree.
things arent always the way they seem, try not to disrespect people that die..... idk sounds like a good idea to me :dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno:dunno

sorry to be a dick, but do u see where im coming from

Silverbeam calls them like she sees them. Truth hurts.

I echo her conclusion.......dumbass kid dies. Where is the untruth, anyone?

Out of respect for the innocent person in the honda and the worker in the toll booth, Yes the driver of the 911 was a dumbass.

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dont worry about silverbeam shes a bitch

What a dumbjackass rookie:lol :lol.

Silverbeam probably has more driving experience than 98% of the posers on this forum. A good portion of her more than 10,000 posts address the issue of driver safety and the consequences of not understanding one's limitations while mixing speed and the inescapable harshness of the laws of physics.

Some parents have no control over their kids. Just look at that mtv show sweet 16 or w/e its called. Average cost of the kids car is atleast 50k. This was probably a kid like that. All of the kids on that show are IDIOTS. One day when I marry one of them, I will take all of their parents money and fly around the country slapping some sence into people like them.

-Serge

silverbeam, i know this has been beaten to death but this girl was really really good friends with one of my good friends. did i know her no, but for his sake dont call her a dumbass, secondly and this is going to intrest alot of you but she stole that porsche from her father, this was more of a suicide mission than an accident.

I'm sorry for your friend. She put every other person on the road with her in danger, in order to end her life, expecially the person she hit, who got sent to the hospital. All because she couldn't cope with being 18? Hardly makes a case that she was thinking rationally.

Wow, Wump, I don't know what to say. Well, first off, you're a total piece of crap and deserve to burn in hell. I've never wished anyone to hell, but I will wish you to hell for the crap that you say. Second, if you're such a billy bad ass, why not meet up with me so we can fist fight like true men. Oh, and third, you're the ugliest mf I've ever seen in my life. I'll bet you never get laid. Get a face transplant, fat ass. Oh, and Silverbeam, I hope you die by some serial killer shoving a treble hook down your throat, ripping it out, ripping your eyeballs from your skull, and then beating your face in with a 40 pound rock.

You need to get to know wump, and then you will understand what he said. Hell, be on here long enough and you might get a chuckle out of what he said right there. Don't worry, his sense of humor is an aquired taste for most.
:)

Blanket statement.

Im a 17 year old kid, and know exactly what my limits as a driver are. I never go faster than the speed at which i feel comfortable, and never on populated road. Heh, i never really go fast.

There is a 17 year old member of these boards with an 06 m3 and a 996 turbo. He always does 5 under the speed limit.

Not all kids are as stupid as this one, so please dont include every single one of us in your statement.

Nope, you THINK you know what your limits are. You only have had 12 months to drive, test and understand them.

We were all 17 once. The further we get from that age, the more we know just how little we knew. That is NOT intended as an insult against 17 year olds, just a fact of life. When I was that age I was immortal. I could do EVERYTHING. Looking back I can't believe that I am still alive. And I was one of the Very responsible, non drinking sane ones. It is perspective.


By the way, I'm back.

The only person I called a dumbass was the girl in the accident, I didn't call all drivers under the age of 23/26 idiots, I simply pointed out that we cannot assess risk, thus it has to be the parents who knock it into their kids, as the majority of kids will not get it on their own. Auto accidents is the leading cause of death for teens in this country, but only 13% of the nation knows that.


We had an 19 YO Girl who worked at an upscale car dealership take out a 911 a couple of months ago with her boyfriend. They were running the two lane country roads that go through the horsefarms Central Kentucky is so famous for and she went airborne and hit a 250 year old Oak tree 60 feet away from the road. Estimates were she was doing around 120. Much too quick for those roads [I won't run those with my 500E that quick]. That wreck came one week after a guy launched a M3 8 feet up a tree trying to evade. I could not even tell what kind of car it was when I came upon the wreck 10 minutes later. He was 18. Too much HP for too little experience. Those two wrecks took out 5 kids under 20.

CLIFF NOTES:
-Respect is the real determiner of risk, not some brain study.
-Not all 18 yo are idiot drivers.
-Most drivers in the US suck because our PRIVILEGE (NOT RIGHT TO) drive is taken too lightly.
-I would like to know what experiance this girl had as well as what year her car was.

Experience is the only way to gain respect for situations in which to determine risk. Without experience, respect is hollow.
While not all 18 YO's are idiot drivers, All 18 YO drivers ONLY have minimal EXPERIENCE and by default, a lack of experienced judgement.

Experience is the ONLY teacher that allows anyone to understand risk. The human brain [especially male] does not adapt risk assessment well until the twenties which has been proven by more studies than can be counted. Those are just facts. Those reasons are, as much as the wrecks that follow them, the reason insurance is so expensive for under 25 males.

Experience is the only way to gain respect for situations in which to determine risk. Without experience, respect is hollow.
While not all 18 YO's are idiot drivers, All 18 YO drivers ONLY have minimal EXPERIENCE and by default, a lack of experienced judgement.

Experience is the ONLY teacher that allows anyone to understand risk. The human brain [especially male] does not adapt risk assessment well until the twenties which has been proven by more studies than can be counted. Those are just facts. Those reasons are, as much as the wrecks that follow them, the reason insurance is so expensive for under 25 males.

I have to agree with a lot of that. I have to say that my respect for things did go up the moment I had more experiance. Its kinda like the kid who discredits something because he has never heard of it.

I do wonder how I ever survived high school, let alone living by myself. The amount of exlosives we (my friends and I ) set off during that time and the absolutely crazy shit we did would have honestly gotten us killed off, before I factor in my love of performance driving.

Wow, Wump, I don't know what to say. Well, first off, you're a total piece of crap and deserve to burn in hell. I've never wished anyone to hell, but I will wish you to hell for the crap that you say. Second, if you're such a billy bad ass, why not meet up with me so we can fist fight like true men. Oh, and third, you're the ugliest mf I've ever seen in my life. I'll bet you never get laid. Get a face transplant, fat ass. Oh, and Silverbeam, I hope you die by some serial killer shoving a treble hook down your throat, ripping it out, ripping your eyeballs from your skull, and then beating your face in with a 40 pound rock.


There is no hell. You're an idiot for believing in hell.

Now die in a slow car fire like this dumb bitch should have.


And yea, I would call her a dumb bitch to her father's face. And to her mother's face. And to her entire family at large's face.

You need to get to know wump, and then you will understand what he said. Hell, be on here long enough and you might get a chuckle out of what he said right there. Don't worry, his sense of humor is an aquired taste for most.
:)

You're a stupid sack of shit. You don't know me, don't pretend that you do.
I hate you.







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wow wump grow up.. you dont know when to stop... your a internet $hit talker and even here it makes you look immature... stop with the b.s. like you have enough b@lls to ever do anything... you need to learn how to pay your respects..

wow wump grow up.. you dont know when to stop... your a internet $hit talker and even here it makes you look immature... stop with the b.s. like you have enough b@lls to ever do anything... you need to learn how to pay your respects..

Or I could continue laughing at stupid people.



HEY DO U THINK UR FAZT IF SO LEZ GO STRET RACE

:lol i wouldnt waste my time on you.. your probably a kid who doesnt even have a DL go back to elementry school and learn some manners.. you think your hard behiend a computer screen.. GET A LIFE LOOSER!;)

:lol i wouldnt waste my time on you.. your probably a kid who doesnt even have a DL go back to elementry school and learn some manners.. you think your hard behiend a computer screen.. GET A LIFE LOOSER!;)

Flawless logic. You're absolutely right.
Clearly the person who can spell "loser" correctly is, in fact, the loser.

hey do you think i care about the way i spell... who are you an english teacher or something.. mrs.wump ha... here how about this your... a... loser..... is that better mrs.wump?

hey do you think i care about the way i spell... who are you an english teacher or something.. mrs.wump ha... here how about this your... a... loser..... is that better mrs.wump?


You called me a loser :(

I think I'm gonna go make a thread or two about street racing in the bay area to compensate for it :(



Oh wait....

never said anything about street racing mrs.wump sorry to let you know that your a loser over and over again but i need it to stick in your head.. espically because its not normal sized.. now give up and just go to bed its your nap time.. and dont forget your teddy bear..

:lol i wouldnt waste my time on you.. your probably a kid who doesnt even have a DL go back to elementry school and learn some manners.. you think your hard behiend a computer screen.. GET A LIFE LOOSER!;)

Man, you couldn't have dug yourself a bigger hole if you had a steamshovel and a 1,000 lbs of dynamite. LMAO. This is one of the best insults directed at wump I have ever seen. Maybe your Norcal butt should get down here and meet one of the smartest people on our regional sub-forum.

wump <3

Lol @ the clowns attempting to insult wump. Sigh.

do you want me to buy you some knee pads so you can suck his D*ck to... damn get off his hype..

Son you are an idiot.

oh im an idiot so what makes that guy so smart.. insulting dead people? big deal. someone needs to let him borrow a pair of balls and tell him come to the bay..lets see how smart he is when he steps foot in my city

Hey Wump, it looks like two of these bastards are calling you out, and it looks like they want to do it in person.

The restaurant meet is happening soon, why don't you invite them down?

oh im an idiot so what makes that guy so smart.. insulting dead people? big deal. someone needs to let him borrow a pair of balls and tell him come to the bay..lets see how smart he is when he steps foot in my city

:lol You're a joke.

yeah thats just what i am comon keep going internet shit talkers.. koooll guysss huh..

yeah thats just what i am comon keep going internet shit talkers.. koooll guysss huh..

You're the fucking jackass that's talking shit, man. How do you not see that? Wump was just fucking around, YOU'RE the one who came on here calling people out and telling them you wanted to fight them.

theres so much e-dick sucking going on in this thread :rofl someones pants will get sucked into their ass because of it.

oh im an idiot so what makes that guy so smart.. insulting dead people? big deal. someone needs to let him borrow a pair of balls and tell him come to the bay..lets see how smart he is when he steps foot in my city

Oh...so it's your city? You talk big and are calling out quite a few people. I will have you know, I was born in "your city" I am probably older than you too, which makes me wonder again why you call it "your city". I think you just need to settle down and unruffle your panties.

I agree with Wump and S54MCoupe...and I will be at the restaurant meet.

never said anything about fighting thats the other guy dumass learn to read

Oh...so it's your city? You talk big and are calling out quite a few people. I will have you know, I was born in "your city" I am probably older than you too, which makes me wonder again why you call it "your city". I think you just need to settle down and unruffle your panties.

I agree with Wump and S54MCoupe...and I will be at the restaurant meet.
what resturant meet???

never said anything about fighting thats the other guy dumass learn to read

You're absolutely right. I'm sorry.

ok i quit im tired of arguing i got my laughs out no im sorry to everyone but wump i just dont like him... my own opinion..

Man, you couldn't have dug yourself a bigger hole if you had a steamshovel and a 1,000 lbs of dynamite. LMAO. This is one of the best insults directed at wump I have ever seen. Maybe your Norcal butt should get down here and meet one of the smartest people on our regional sub-forum.

wump <3


This is what I get after calling you a sack of shit? Wow, I really can't make you angry. :redspot


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yeah thats just what i am comon keep going internet shit talkers.. koooll guysss huh..

Come to the Pasadena restaurant meet. I personally guarantee that I will be there. Feel free to both attend and bring up my "internet shit talking."


;)

*popcorn*

Sad to hear about the accident, but very entertaining to read some of the responses in this thread.

Just to clarify things, yes I do pity the girl this thread was originally about. I pity her for thinking she could do something she couldnt- for making a mistake.

But as someone who could have very well ended up in her place (see my sig), I approach this thread's topic with a certain bit of humor.

speaking of which... said sig is a red X

And why wasn't this thread locked again? :rolleyes

dude your fucking sick....i hope to whatever god there is that you will live the most pathetic , depressing and most pointless life ever lived by a man....HEY some dreams DO come true......GET A LIFE AND WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND NOT SOMEONES ELSES YOU PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A HUMAN BEING....i hope your caught in a dark alley by some toothless crackheads and beaten down and skull fucked to death with your head repeatedly banging on a dumpster

wow, did you join just to post that?

http://ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1340232.php

18 year old girl + 911 +100 mph + trying to pass = death.

Who could see this coming? :rolleyes. dumb kid, dumb parents, not enough driving education.

Tuesday, October 31, 2006
Ladera Ranch woman killed in 241 collision
The 18-year-old driver of a Porsche 911 lost control at over 100 mph before crossing median and crashing into southbound toll booth.
By RYAN HAMMILL
The Orange County Register
LAKE FOREST — An 18-year-old Ladera Ranch woman was killed in a two-car collision on the north side of the Eastern (241) Toll Road in Lake Forest on Tuesday.

The woman, who was not identified, lost control of a black Porsche 911 Carrera while attempting to pass another vehicle at more than 100 mph, California Highway Patrol officials said.

The Porsche crossed the center median, traveled across south lanes and the Alton Parkway southbound on-ramp, before colliding into a toll booth building.

The woman was pronounced dead at the scene from head trauma.

Police said the woman was attempting to pass a gray Honda Civic traveling about 70 mph in the far left lane, when the Porsche clipped the Honda and lost control.

The Honda then veered to the left and hit the center median.

The driver of the Honda, a 20-year-old man from Rancho Santa Margarita, was taken by ambulance to Mission Hospital with minor to moderate injuries. Both drivers were wearing seatbelts.

Police found open alcoholic beverage containers inside of the Porsche but alcohol is not suspected as a cause of the collision, CHP officials said.
A toll booth operator was believed to be in the structure at the time of the accident. There were no additional injuries, CHP officials said.

I'm completely agreed with you on this. Typical for way too rich OC parents giving their flunky kids the shiniest fastest car they want. All paid for by the parents just to keep their little girl happy. Frankly, if she went out, got hammered, then took a $60k+ car out to recklessly pass and cut off regular drivers, then i don't shed one tear for her.

There WAS alcohol in the car, and her parents contributing to her driving while intoxicated would have been made a bigger issue if this wasn't in white suburban OC. My biggest regret is for the guy in the Honda, doing a fast yet safe 70mph, only to have his day ruined by this dumb ass.

I'm completely agreed with you on this. Typical for way too rich OC parents giving their flunky kids the shiniest fastest car they want. All paid for by the parents just to keep their little girl happy. Frankly, if she went out, got hammered, then took a $60k+ car out to recklessly pass and cut off regular drivers, then i don't shed one tear for her.

There WAS alcohol in the car, and her parents contributing to her driving while intoxicated would have been made a bigger issue if this wasn't in white suburban OC. My biggest regret is for the guy in the Honda, doing a fast yet safe 70mph, only to have his day ruined by this dumb ass.

She wasn't given that car, she took it from her parents without permission, so suddenly you have a very interesting problem of a little girl out with daddy's high-dollar weekend car.

And just becuase there is alcohol in the car doesn't mean she was drinking. Maybe she was sneaking out to go drinking, but she hadn't started yet. Just because I had alcohol in the car my entire freshman year of college doesn't mean I was driving drunk or under the influence. It was just sitting in my spare tire for a rainy day...

there was actually a retraction in the paper, the alcohol was found in the honda driver's car.

She wasn't given that car, she took it from her parents without permission, so suddenly you have a very interesting problem of a little girl out with daddy's high-dollar weekend car.

And just becuase there is alcohol in the car doesn't mean she was drinking. Maybe she was sneaking out to go drinking, but she hadn't started yet. Just because I had alcohol in the car my entire freshman year of college doesn't mean I was driving drunk or under the influence. It was just sitting in my spare tire for a rainy day...

Maruan, I don't understand how her taking her dad's car makes it any better. It almost makes it worst. When I saw what happened, I assumed it was her father's car, which is one reason why she didn't control it. There are still so many unknowns, was it a suicide run? Was it an accident? For both, she was doing something very wrong. Youdon't take your life in a way that endangers others. And you sure as hell don't take someone else's property to do it in. You also don't just take someone else's property. I have never taken any of my family's cars without their permission, and I assume thta goes for nearly everyone here.

there was actually a retraction in the paper, the alcohol was found in the honda driver's car.

Mind linking to that?

Maruan, I don't understand how her taking her dad's car makes it any better. It almost makes it worst. When I saw what happened, I assumed it was her father's car, which is one reason why she didn't control it. There are still so many unknowns, was it a suicide run? Was it an accident? For both, she was doing something very wrong. Youdon't take your life in a way that endangers others. And you sure as hell don't take someone else's property to do it in. You also don't just take someone else's property. I have never taken any of my family's cars without their permission, and I assume thta goes for nearly everyone here.

Took the words right out of my mouth. That only further shows that she had no experience or common sense in driving that car. I'm more worried about the other people that could be put at risk because of her dumbass recklessness. Too bad about the Porsche though. :nono

Mind linking to that?



here's the article again, but with the container found in the honda instead of the porsche

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/communities/ladera/article_1340232.php

Maruan, I don't understand how her taking her dad's car makes it any better. It almost makes it worst. When I saw what happened, I assumed it was her father's car, which is one reason why she didn't control it. There are still so many unknowns, was it a suicide run? Was it an accident? For both, she was doing something very wrong. Youdon't take your life in a way that endangers others. And you sure as hell don't take someone else's property to do it in. You also don't just take someone else's property. I have never taken any of my family's cars without their permission, and I assume thta goes for nearly everyone here.

What I meant by that is that her parents were responsible and didn't give her a car she couldn't control. She was a moron for taking the car out and doing what she did, but I am just saying its not her parent's fault, I mean unless she had a history of this, I highly doubt her parents are gonna keep the car keys in a safe you know?

Otherwise I totally agree with you. And for that matter wump...

Sheesh.

First off all RIP. Come on everyone! All people at some time in there life does something stupid and to sit her and pass judgment on someone’s mistake that happen to be fatal just isn’t right.

Now I actually agree with most of what was said here. I believe that getting your licensee should be more difficult. Testing and training should be way more in depth. And most of you are right; when I look back on my first year or 2 driving I was not very good at it. I always had respect for going fast and would actually have to say I was kind of to scared to do anything dumb when I first got behind the wheel. This fear I believe is what kept me pretty safe. I had gone through my whole life hearing my dad talk shit about all the drivers on the road and it gave me a good idea of what do to and what not to do.

The thing that really gets to me most about this thread is that some of you are completely ripping this girl apart on pure speculation. We don’t actually know what happened. Sure we have a news article to read but how accurate is that?

What if the guy in the Honda was actually going 50 in the fast lane and the girl tried to pass him? When she tried to pass him he sped up or even tried to switch lanes? What if when she actually did make the pass she was only going 80? The statement that she was doing 100 and he was doing 70 is pure speculation and there is no proof whatsoever. The report comes from the media and we all know how much the media likes to spin everything. The girl only going 70 while trying to pass somebody doesn’t sound very interesting. So going 70 becomes going 100.

Now we find out the open bottles were in the Honda driver’s car. What if he was drunk off his ass and swerving; the girl saw him swerving and tried to pass him? What if he was so drunk that when she tried to pass him he starting being a dick and jolted his car towards her to scare her?

Of course what I said is also speculation but you get the idea. I just don’t think it’s fair to rip on someone like this when we really don't know what happened.

There is no hell. You're an idiot for believing in hell.

Now die in a slow car fire like this dumb bitch should have.


And yea, I would call her a dumb bitch to her father's face. And to her mother's face. And to her entire family at large's face.

Your fat ass is the one that said you wanted to her to rot in hell. If there's no hell, why'd you bring it up? Oh, and even if I did burn up in a car fire, I'd still be a hell of a lot better looking than you.

Your fat ass is the one that said you wanted to her to rot in hell. If there's no hell, why'd you bring it up? Oh, and even if I did burn up in a car fire, I'd still be a hell of a lot better looking than you.

Please stop wasting the internet. Its a finite resource.

Maruan, I don't understand how her taking her dad's car makes it any better. It almost makes it worst. When I saw what happened, I assumed it was her father's car, which is one reason why she didn't control it. There are still so many unknowns, was it a suicide run? Was it an accident? For both, she was doing something very wrong. Youdon't take your life in a way that endangers others. And you sure as hell don't take someone else's property to do it in. You also don't just take someone else's property. I have never taken any of my family's cars without their permission, and I assume thta goes for nearly everyone here.

Someone who wants to commit suicide is NOT going to have others' property or give a damn about others in general.

They don't ask themselves what the nicest way to kill themselves is. They are friggin miserable and the only thought in there head is to end their life somehow.

Someone who wants to commit suicide is NOT going to have others' property or give a damn about others in general.

They don't ask themselves what the nicest way to kill themselves is. They are friggin miserable and the only thought in there head is to end their life somehow.

+1

Someone who wants to commit suicide is NOT going to have others' property or give a damn about others in general.

They don't ask themselves what the nicest way to kill themselves is. They are friggin miserable and the only thought in there head is to end their life somehow.

A long way of saying suicidel.

I had gone through my whole life hearing my dad talk shit about all the drivers on the road and it gave me a good idea of what do to and what not to do.


That sounds so much like my mother, you gotta be agressive to a certain degree, but not overly so.

I totaly agree with you though, but look at the condition of the car and how far it bounced around, she was doing a lot more than 80, or something happened and she wasnt able to put on the brakes. Personally I really wish we could go back and see what happened. I am sure detailed investigations will tell us the truth soon and we will see how everything panned out. I am sure that around a toll booth there had to have been a camera somewhere that documented her collision with that thing. But yeah, RIP, life in general is just too short for a lot of people, besides she looked cute.

Next she's going to say, as she did in another thread, that had the 18 year old girl taken defensive driving classes she without a doubt would have survived. RIP

. i never post in silverbeams threads because she's always on her period. chill the fuck out and have some respect for the dead bitch. :buttrockfucking cuntface douche :alright

. i never post in silverbeams threads because she's always on her period. chill the fuck out and have some respect for the dead bitch. :buttrockfucking cuntface douche :alright


.... and scene.

Lock the thread before Wump cums on someone's face... I've seen him do it
:help

Your fat ass is the one that said you wanted to her to rot in hell. If there's no hell, why'd you bring it up? Oh, and even if I did burn up in a car fire, I'd still be a hell of a lot better looking than you.

:eek: :buttrock

. i never post in silverbeams threads because she's always on her period. chill the fuck out and have some respect for the dead bitch. :buttrockfucking cuntface douche :alright

im with him :drink1

Yeah i feel bad for the guys in the toll booth and the honda. Kinda indifferent about the girl in the porsche. There really is no need to pass a civic at 100+ unless you are on the track racing a ricer. RIP all who died.

Sheesh.

First off all RIP. Come on everyone! All people at some time in there life does something stupid and to sit her and pass judgment on someone’s mistake that happen to be fatal just isn’t right.

Now I actually agree with most of what was said here. I believe that getting your licensee should be more difficult. Testing and training should be way more in depth. And most of you are right; when I look back on my first year or 2 driving I was not very good at it. I always had respect for going fast and would actually have to say I was kind of to scared to do anything dumb when I first got behind the wheel. This fear I believe is what kept me pretty safe. I had gone through my whole life hearing my dad talk shit about all the drivers on the road and it gave me a good idea of what do to and what not to do.

The thing that really gets to me most about this thread is that some of you are completely ripping this girl apart on pure speculation. We don’t actually know what happened. Sure we have a news article to read but how accurate is that?

What if the guy in the Honda was actually going 50 in the fast lane and the girl tried to pass him? When she tried to pass him he sped up or even tried to switch lanes? What if when she actually did make the pass she was only going 80? The statement that she was doing 100 and he was doing 70 is pure speculation and there is no proof whatsoever. The report comes from the media and we all know how much the media likes to spin everything. The girl only going 70 while trying to pass somebody doesn’t sound very interesting. So going 70 becomes going 100.

Now we find out the open bottles were in the Honda driver’s car. What if he was drunk off his ass and swerving; the girl saw him swerving and tried to pass him? What if he was so drunk that when she tried to pass him he starting being a dick and jolted his car towards her to scare her?

Of course what I said is also speculation but you get the idea. I just don’t think it’s fair to rip on someone like this when we really don't know what happened.

:handclap

dude your fucking sick....i hope to whatever god there is that you will live the most pathetic , depressing and most pointless life ever lived by a man....HEY some dreams DO come true......GET A LIFE AND WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND NOT SOMEONES ELSES YOU PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A HUMAN BEING....i hope your caught in a dark alley by some toothless crackheads and beaten down and skull fucked to death with your head repeatedly banging on a dumpster
posted by the one and only Doug!!!
and just for the record i wouldnt mess with Doug if i were you, if you tell him where to find you he will be there. he isnt a shit-talker he actually does it

posted by the one and only Doug!!!
and just for the record i wouldnt mess with Doug if i were you, if you tell him where to find you he will be there. he isnt a shit-talker he actually does it
Thank you for sucking Doug's internet penis.

Thank you for sucking Doug's internet penis.
ok im not going to be immature and get into this little homo e-bitch fight. all i have to say is quit being a troll and posting un-necessary smartass immature comments, and no one will be up you ass.

ok im not going to be immature and get into this little homo e-bitch fight. all i have to say is quit being a troll and posting un-necessary smartass immature comments, and no one will be up you ass.


Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: stone mountain, georgia

Troll eh?


Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: 198.81.129.100, UC Irvine

Lets think about this, 2004 join date... CALI regional forums, and wump, a guy from UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA Irvine is posting here, and a guy from GEOGIUHHHH who joined just last summer is calling him a troll?

1+1 =3 would refer to the logic someone on this thread is using to suck the dick of a guy who joined this forum to make 1, yes ONE post. Get your "good ol' boy" ass outta the Cali regionals if all you are gonna do is bitch.

Troll eh?



Lets think about this, 2004 join date... CALI regional forums, and wump, a guy from UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA Irvine is posting here, and a guy from GEOGIUHHHH who joined just last summer is calling him a troll?

1+1 =3 would refer to the logic someone on this thread is using to suck the dick of a guy who joined this forum to make 1, yes ONE post. Get your "good ol' boy" ass outta the Cali regionals if all you are gonna do is bitch.
look someone told me to check out this thread. im not here to start shit or talk shit...but who is sucking whos dick. get wumps dick out of your mouth. yes i agree that is pretty riddiculous to join just to say what he did. lets stop this little immature e-fight and act our age.
im calling truce/end
on that note...wump what happend to you with your crash??

look someone told me to check out this thread. im not here to start shit or talk shit...but who is sucking whos dick. get wumps dick out of your mouth. yes i agree that is pretty riddiculous to join just to say what he did. lets stop this little immature e-fight and act our age.
im calling truce/end
on that note...wump what happend to you with your crash??

I can deal with that. truce.

Meanwhile, wump just spun out. He was taking a turn and one of the rear wheels dropped off the pavement and he started to spin. He missed both the pole (by about 3 inches) and going over.

Troll eh?



Lets think about this, 2004 join date... CALI regional forums, and wump, a guy from UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA Irvine is posting here, and a guy from GEOGIUHHHH who joined just last summer is calling him a troll?

1+1 =3 would refer to the logic someone on this thread is using to suck the dick of a guy who joined this forum to make 1, yes ONE post. Get your "good ol' boy" ass outta the Cali regionals if all you are gonna do is bitch.

Oh yeah, you're so fucking cool, huh? You can make fun of Georgia all you want, but at least when someone here dies in car wreck, our people don't say a bunch of rude and inconsiderate bull shit. Next time you visit Georgia, see how long you last talking shit like that to the "good ol' boys."

yeah honestly, its pretty damn rude to call someone who died a "dumbass" for their actions. its like me saying "another dumbass dies from lung cancer due to smoking" in which i was referring to one of your relatives or something. It's just rude and inconsiderate.

Oh yeah, you're so fucking cool, huh? You can make fun of Georgia all you want, but at least when someone here dies in car wreck, our people don't say a bunch of rude and inconsiderate bull shit. Next time you visit Georgia, see how long you last talking shit like that to the "good ol' boys."

Haha, the "good ol' boys" don't refer to you, chances are I am better armed than the stereotype and a better shot. Personally I have no beef with them and most of the time I probably get along better with an average Southern person than your average Cali liberal.

However, that was not the point of my post. I was refering to someone with 1 post from a location no where near California was calling one of the oldest members of this regional forum a "troll". Also, you miss a lot of things not being on this subforum, such as some people's sense of humor and when they are serious and when they are not. Thus, most of the posts attacking wump are stupid because you don't understand his posting style.

PS: (edit)

look someone told me to check out this thread. im not here to start shit or talk shit...but who is sucking whos dick. get wumps dick out of your mouth. yes i agree that is pretty riddiculous to join just to say what he did. lets stop this little immature e-fight and act our age.
im calling truce/end
on that note...wump what happend to you with your crash??

I can deal with that. truce.

Meanwhile, wump just spun out. He was taking a turn and one of the rear wheels dropped off the pavement and he started to spin. He missed both the pole (by about 3 inches) and going over.

Pay attention buddy, you might realize you are that idiot who showed up to the fight just as everyone made up and had a beer together.

Maruan please stop defending me. If I felt offended by any of the posts made in this thread, which I do not, I would respond myself.

Thanks for trying to help, but you're getting a lot of people angry at me.

Pay attention buddy, you might realize you are that idiot who showed up to the fight just as everyone made up and had a beer together.

Oh, I'm an idiot huh? Well first off, I knew the fight was over. However, I didn't like the way you were defending wump's comments. Even if he is "joking," that doesn't disregard the fact that his comments are still inappropraite. Say your father died, and I said "another dumb ass old person dies of a heart attack" or "what a dumb bastard" (I would never say these things or truly think them, but let's pretend). Even if I was joking, you would still be pretty pissed off wouldn't you? Even if wump is joking, I don't find his comments to be humorous. Also, TexasEmt didn't join just to post what he did. He joined in the hope of learning more about BMW's and that just happened to be his first post. I know he found some of the comments to be very appalling, just as I did.

Haha, the "good ol' boys" don't refer to you, chances are I am better armed than the stereotype and a better shot. Personally I have no beef with them and most of the time I probably get along better with an average Southern person than your average Cali liberal.

However, that was not the point of my post. I was refering to someone with 1 post from a location no where near California was calling one of the oldest members of this regional forum a "troll". Also, you miss a lot of things not being on this subforum, such as some people's sense of humor and when they are serious and when they are not. Thus, most of the posts attacking wump are stupid because you don't understand his posting style.

PS: (edit)

Pay attention buddy, you might realize you are that idiot who showed up to the fight just as everyone made up and had a beer together.
was this directed at me or 98silver328?
i didnt show up to fight or cause shit...just to voice my opinion, hints why you and me called truce.
amiright?

was this directed at me or 98silver328?
i didnt show up to fight or cause shit...just to voice my opinion, hints why you and me called truce.
amiright?

Wasn't to you, it was to 98silver328, I thought our truce would be good for everything, but I guess not him.

Maruan please stop defending me. If I felt offended by any of the posts made in this thread, which I do not, I would respond myself.

Thanks for trying to help, but you're getting a lot of people angry at me.

I stopped defending you a while ago, now its a matter of pride between me and that dude from Georgia with the silver 328. But I will stfu given I did call a truce with CVGTURBO86 and I feel that should hold for all arguments on BOTH sides.

Besides, it don't look like he is as mad at you anymore as much as me lol.

yeah honestly, its pretty damn rude to call someone who died a "dumbass" for their actions. its like me saying "another dumbass dies from lung cancer due to smoking" in which i was referring to one of your relatives or something. It's just rude and inconsiderate.

true. but it appears you can do that when you are perfect. did you not get the bfc memo?

imma lmao when silverbeam crashes

Oh, I'm an idiot huh? Well first off, I knew the fight was over. However, I didn't like the way you were defending wump's comments. Even if he is "joking," that doesn't disregard the fact that his comments are still inappropraite. Say your father died, and I said "another dumb ass old person dies of a heart attack" or "what a dumb bastard" (I would never say these things or truly think them, but let's pretend). Even if I was joking, you would still be pretty pissed off wouldn't you? Even if wump is joking, I don't find his comments to be humorous. Also, TexasEmt didn't join just to post what he did. He joined in the hope of learning more about BMW's and that just happened to be his first post. I know he found some of the comments to be very appalling, just as I did.


I find my comments to be humorous. Thats all that matters.

Hahahahahahahahaha!


EDIT: kekekekkekeke ^__^

I agree angeleyes, kids can't properly assess risk, they don't know what their limit as drivers are. I'd like to think that it wasn't her car, but her parent's car and she was just driving it then, not usually. In any case, another kid is dead because parents trusted her too much.


You are making an unsubstantiated assumption. I stole my parents car from the garage when i was 15 and 1/2 and drove it to my Aunts home on the Ocean till dawn broke. I drove my parent's car into a house while passing a cup of coffee to my friend in the back seat while rushing it back before they found it missing.I totaled it.My parents would have to have remained awake clutching their keys 24/7 to have stopped me from getting their car. In the subsequent 28 years i haven't caused an accident.Maybe if i posted the accident scene pictures of her before she was taken out of the wreckage the bitter edge might mellow..

I can see how far you got into this thread before making your own assumptions ;) I know those pictures are going around. For the sake of the family, I hope they stop.

I can see how far you got into this thread before making your own assumptions ;) I know those pictures are going around. For the sake of the family, I hope they stop.
I dont, you cant even see the girls face because it was destroyed. This is a good reminder why not to drink and drive, and so forth.

This is a shame for her family and her life that ended before it started.

Luckily knowone else was hurt.

I haven't read this whole thread, but I saw this on another forum.

the daughter actually stole the car from her father (she didn't have permission to take it out); combine that w/ the fact that she was believed to be intoxicated at the time.


The father had called the car in and reported it stolen and said he knew his daughter had taken it. There were also numerous calls from bystanders who reported her driving irratically on the freeway

I've read some people are thinking the Honda cut her off, but she was still going 100+ on a toll road, regardless that doesn't really matter now.

Catsouras was pronounced dead at the scene from head trauma.
Wow, this brings a whole new meaning to 'head trauma'.

those are terrible pictures, and hopefully a good reminder to drive carefully, especially with the holidays coming up

Real Estate Bubble-fed new Porsche buying spree for 16yo daughters as infered by below.
This guy made 100k off the sale of one $3M house; he's probably got p-cars for all 4 daughters.

P-cars P-cars P-cars
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100k in one day.
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