I posted about my car not too long ago. It's a 94' 325ic with a K&N CAI (with heat shield) and a Conforti chip. By no means do I think my car is fast but it isn't slow. I rarely race because of this fact. So yesterday my dad decided to take out his 06' WRX which is one of his many cars haha (96' porsche 993, 82' 633csi, 76' 2002, 87' E30 with a 533 engine swap track car in progress jsut to name a few). I figured I'd get out of the house and take my car for a spin too. Before we left he challenged me to a race because I'm always looking to do upgrades on my car but he disapproves and I recently got this chip and he wanted to see if it was worth the $250. I knew he would beat me but I didn't wanna back down to this. So we went down to the "bottoms" (mile long straight road that there are no cops or cars on) and lined up the cars. I told him that he would kill me from the line so we agreed to go from a 30 MPH coast in 2nd. So we get lined up and once we hit 30 even we both layed down the hammer. He jumped out to a half a CL lead untill he had to shift. This is where I gaind that back easily since I don't have to shift out of 2nd till 60 MPH. Once I had to shift he gained a car length on me. My 3rd is pretty wide so once he had to shift I gained that car lenth back (I was lughing cause I was amazed). Once I got to 95 I had to shift to 4th and he gaind about 1/4 of a CL on me until I was on it in 4th. It he then was about 1/2 a CL on me until I hit about 110 and gained it back when he had to shift and I pulled about a 1/4 of a car on him once I hit 125 MPH and then we shut down. When we got home my dad was amazed and so was I at how well my car stood up to the WRX. I know from a standing start he would kill me by probably 2 CL or so because of the AWD launch but I was happy with my small win haha. <!-- / message -->

I'm assuming your father knows how to drive, so maybe he just wanted to make it interesting? A WRX should have no problem taking a lightly modded 325, especially a vert.

Yea he can drive. But he said he was on it as much as the car could take. I believe that the gears are shorter in the WRX and the fact that the turbo is somewhat inactive at those higher speeds.

A baseline wrx doesnt have to much topend speed so it sounds belivable that a modded 325i could compete with one

A baseline wrx doesnt have to much topend speed so it sounds belivable that a modded 325i could compete with one


The 06 WRX is actually pretty damn peppy. They almost hang with srt-4s from a roll

I would assume the WRXs are faster from a dig b/c of 4 wheel drive.......
When I had my ZHP, i raced my friends WRX and he killed me from a dig...by about 1.5 cars. From a roll it was different we were pretty much even i might have krept up about .5 a car at most.

an 06 has the bigger displacement engine. they hold up much better from a roll.

325 really shouldn't be a problem.

My buddy has a modded 03 WRX with 290hp and Ive got a 99 323 with just an intake and from a 10 mph roll we are dead even. We go at it all the time so the results are consistent. Its amazing what a 170hp inline six can do.

I'm assuming your father knows how to drive, so maybe he just wanted to make it interesting? A WRX should have no problem taking a lightly modded 325, especially a vert.


exactly! It's been 3-4 years since I had a wrx in stock form (quickly modded it, traded for an sti, and now 60r) but even in its darkest day from a roll it would not lose to a 325. sorry....not trying to flame your dad but that should not have happened.

top up right?

My buddy has a modded 03 WRX with 290hp and Ive got a 99 323 with just an intake and from a 10 mph roll we are dead even. We go at it all the time so the results are consistent. Its amazing what a 170hp inline six can do.


:lol

My buddy has a modded 03 WRX with 290hp and Ive got a 99 323 with just an intake and from a 10 mph roll we are dead even. We go at it all the time so the results are consistent. Its amazing what a 170hp inline six can do.

your post is even more shocking then the originator......so you're running a 290whp modded wrx..dead even....with a 170hp 323, the intake can't do much for you..........something is not adding up here. I had a utec, downpipe, exhaust and would put a hurting on 330's and in two runs with m3's we were neck and neck so I'm rather shocked at what i'm reading. Mine was an 02 and the 03's were not much different.

My buddy has a modded 03 WRX with 290hp and Ive got a 99 323 with just an intake and from a 10 mph roll we are dead even. We go at it all the time so the results are consistent. Its amazing what a 170hp inline six can do.
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something is wrong with his car or driving. They trap like 98 stock, def. enough to put some distance on you. Make sure he shifts a little before redline since they will die off up top.

My buddy has a modded 03 WRX with 290hp and Ive got a 99 323 with just an intake and from a 10 mph roll we are dead even. We go at it all the time so the results are consistent. Its amazing what a 170hp inline six can do.


Sorry buddy, :lol
But I happen to own a 300WHP 03' WRX with an 18G turbo, HOW IRONIC?

I ALSO happen to own a 95 M3, which would also dust your 3-series...But guess what, the M3 somehow gets dusted by my 300whp WRX...wow!

The other funny thing is the fact that the M3 will make high 13's in the quarter, I believe...While an 18G WRX will easily make it into the 12s and low 12s at that...

So tell me, where did I go wrong?

I will point out though how much i've laughed at the fact you believed the BS your "buddy" told you...For a race like this to have such an outcome, it would have to be a STOCK wrx running on low boost.

Sorry buddy, :lol
But I happen to own a 300WHP 03' WRX with an 18G turbo, HOW IRONIC?

I ALSO happen to own a 95 M3, which would also dust your 3-series...But guess what, the M3 somehow gets dusted by my 300whp WRX...wow!

The other funny thing is the fact that the M3 will make high 13's in the quarter, I believe...While an 18G WRX will easily make it into the 12s and low 12s at that...

So tell me, where did I go wrong?

I will point out though how much i've laughed at the fact you believed the BS your "buddy" told you...For a race like this to have such an outcome, it would have to be a STOCK wrx running on low boost.

Yea, a 290-300hp wrx is easily a low 13's if not high 12 second car. A 325 with intake on its grandest day couldn't do that. And with all that power, the "dig vs roll" argument is not even valid. The car pulls hard on the highway as well.

"BMW horses count for more."

I wonder if the kids in here are so imaginative that they are starting to believe their own waking dreams.

Oh look: http://www.dragtimes.com/Subaru-Impreza-Timeslip-10047.html

1/4 Mile ET: 14.210
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.420
0-100 MPH: 15.0

Look at what it took for a 1994 325i to trap 96 MPH without the benefit of the extra weight a 'vert has: http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-325i-Timeslip-1650.html

BTW, an E36 328's 0-100 is damn near 20 seconds.

"BMW horses count for more."

I wonder if the kids in here are so imaginative that they are starting to believe their own waking dreams.

Oh look: http://www.dragtimes.com/Subaru-Impreza-Timeslip-10047.html

1/4 Mile ET: 14.210
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.420
0-100 MPH: 15.0

Look at what it took for a 1994 325i to trap 96 MPH without the benefit of the extra weight a 'vert has: http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-325i-Timeslip-1650.html

BTW, an E36 328's 0-100 is damn near 20 seconds.


Very well put. You have the facts to back it up. :D

he doesnt have an 18g yet and that 290 is crank hp. he is just running stage one through an accessport. Im not trying to say I have some incredibly fast car. Believe me the results everytime we race shock me more than anyone. but from a roll we are always even. Ive also raced against another friends tiptronic g35 all over mountain roads and he couldnt pull on me either. I wouldnt make this stuff up to try and sound cool, i mean my car is stock so i know what the numbers on it are but its a fighter

he doesnt have an 18g yet and that 290 is crank hp. he is just running stage one through an accessport. Im not trying to say I have some incredibly fast car. Believe me the results everytime we race shock me more than anyone. but from a roll we are always even. Ive also raced against another friends tiptronic g35 all over mountain roads and he couldnt pull on me either. I wouldnt make this stuff up to try and sound cool, i mean my car is stock so i know what the numbers on it are but its a fighter

Bull. My 325i used to walk all over 323s and did not have any chance, stop or roll, against my old co-worker's stock 2003 WRX with the 2.0 with 220 crank HP. I'd eventually even up with him in the triple digits, as in he won't pull anymore, but he would maintain the 1.5+ car lead he gets on me from midrange and up rolling runs.

your dad doesn't know how to drive. the 2.5l WRX has similar torque curve as the STi. It is way underrated to keep it in line under the Legacy GT and the STi. what's next, that a 320iA dusted a z06?

My dad can drive. Im just telling you what happened. It is still possible that he could have let off a bit but he said he didn't. Im am just basing this off of what he said and what happened. My car has been lightened to about 3000lbs as well. I have more mods than listed. It is still mostly stock. My total mods are: K&N CAI(with heat shield), removed resonator, Conforti chip, lightened to 3000lbs, light weight clutch. These are my only mods and yes the top was up at the time. The WRX is completely stock. Its rated at 230 HP. My car has been dynoed at 200 WHP.

I think this is very believable. Stock WRX's arn't that fast, STI are another story though. All the stock wrx's i've driven and rode in haven't been fast at all. Think about it they are only 227 hp and four wheel drive which slows them down. I've never raced one from a dig but in my 94 325i I played with one on local streets from about 25 mph and I was not impressed at all...i expected him to pull away but he was dead even. Speed wise I think the stock WRX's are compareable to the Lexus 330.

Think about it, It's a 227 hp 4 wheel drive vs a 200 hp rwd...it will be a close race, the wrx quarter is slightly under 15 sec that's from a dig
Some people don't realize that it isn't all about horsepower ratings.

I think some people are thinking you are talking about the STI not the wrx

Yea im talking about a Stock 06' WRX not an STI. It has 230hp, not 300.

I forgot to mention that the wrx is turbocharged to 227 hp it isn't even NA....and yes that makes a difference too

:confused

some people amaze me with their stories

Either way, its still a race of teh slows. Nothing interesting about it... 3-series vs. stock wrx. woohoo.


I'd expect the kills section to be more than just generic races...All these races involving slow cars kind of gets old, and its mostly 3-series guys ranting about their kills - usualy of family sedans. But thats another story.

I want to hear about blown 3-series's that are dusting other fast cars, something you dont see every day, or races involving M3's or M5's or unusual races. Its just gotten boring really. :shifty

Sorry I posted... if you don't care don't read it. Im only 18 and I love my car. I know its not fast but I still love it. I don't have the money to buy a really fast car so I make do with what I have and live with it. My dad could have better stories for you guys but he never races anyone. I'll have better stories once the E30 is completed.

your dad doesn't know how to drive.

Because its soooooooooo hard to smash the petal down from a roll and shift at redline....:rolleyes

I agree. Im more of a twisties guy and so is my dad. He would never actually drag any of his cars. Thats why we are building a "track" car not a "drag" car. I always have this problem with a couple of my friends with Mustangs who feel that straight line drivers are better. I disagree. I always just repeat a quote from Mario Andretti, "Straight lines are for fast cars, but corners are for fast drivers."

The 06 WRX is actually pretty damn peppy. They almost hang with srt-4s from a roll
Correct. Don't let the 230hp rating of the '06 WRX fool you, these new 2.5L WRX's dyno at 200+awhp on Cobb Tuning's Mustang dyno (previous '02-'05 2.0L dyno at 170-175awhp on the exact same dyno).

I'm a decent autoXer and I've been drag racing for 3+ years. I took my bone stock '06 out to Richmond Dragway back in the Spring with 6K miles on the odometer and clocked a 13.74@98.25mph with a crappy 1.9 60ft.

To the OP, 2nd gear in an '06 WRX on stock sized 215/45/17 tires, is good to 67mph. I'm not sure why your dad shifted to third below 60mph, but that would have hurt his run against you.

So we get lined up and once we hit 30 even we both layed down the hammer. He jumped out to a half a CL lead untill he had to shift. This is where I gaind that back easily since I don't have to shift out of 2nd till 60 MPH.

This race just seems weird to me.

Also, my '02 WRX can also reach 60 in second gear. Goes something like 38, 62, 96, 128, 150+...


Yea, a 290-300hp wrx is easily a low 13's if not high 12 second car. A 325 with intake on its grandest day couldn't do that. And with all that power, the "dig vs roll" argument is not even valid. The car pulls hard on the highway as well

I have around 290-300hp on my stock turbo WRX. I don't have a 12 second car. You meant to say 290-300whp, upgraded turbo. And yes, all that power makes it still fast on highway, but a BMW in the same range of power might be a little quicker at such speeds. And rides better. Oh, and the leather..

Yea that seemed weird to me too. Now that I think about it I have driven the car a few times and it does hit higher than 60 in 2nd. So that may have effected the outcome. My dad may have shifted too soon. Why I have no idea though.

Because its soooooooooo hard to smash the petal down from a roll and shift at redline....

this just proves my point about not being able to drive.
Shifting at redline doesn't mean max acceleration. Stock cars do not maintain max power at redline. Due to emissions/fuel consumption reasons, most cars power tapers off way before redline. A stock WRX is a classic example. Past the magic whatever rpm, there's no power to be had. Just engine noise so it's futile to keep it to the redline.

Anyhow, your dad may be babying the new 06 WRX. Don't know. Who cares. What I do know is a 330i can hardly keep up with my wife's wrx family wagon let alone an older gen car. She often tells me how some bimmer would try to out accelerate her family wagon to cut into her lane but she just downshifts, stab on the gas and buh bye....
Forgive me if I have a terribly hard time believing all those e36 whatchammacllit beating WRX. Well unless if it's an automatic WRX. Then even my MINI can eat it live. Slushbox WRX FTL....

Yea he knows how to drive but he was probably not taking it to redline for that purpose. Thats why I posted cause I couldn't believe he didn't take me. I knew I would put up a fight through 3rd gear but not overcome his car. Oh well. All he would have to do is jump in his Porsche haha.

this just proves my point about not being able to drive.
Shifting at redline doesn't mean max acceleration. Stock cars do not maintain max power at redline. Due to emissions/fuel consumption reasons, most cars power tapers off way before redline. A stock WRX is a classic example. Past the magic whatever rpm, there's no power to be had. Just engine noise so it's futile to keep it to the redline.

Anyhow, your dad may be babying the new 06 WRX. Don't know. Who cares. What I do know is a 330i can hardly keep up with my wife's wrx family wagon let alone an older gen car. She often tells me how some bimmer would try to out accelerate her family wagon to cut into her lane but she just downshifts, stab on the gas and buh bye....
Forgive me if I have a terribly hard time believing all those e36 whatchammacllit beating WRX. Well unless if it's an automatic WRX. Then even my MINI can eat it live. Slushbox WRX FTL....


watching a boost gauge you can see how much the boost tapers off after 6k..