Looking for Ellipsoid / Projector, Angel Eyes, and possibly HID's, willing to buy things seperately if people have them. Usually the PNW guys seem to be pretty reasonable with price so I thought I would ask.

They have to be 4d though.........

Headlights are the same for 2 and 4dr on the E36.

I did not know that. I learn something from you every day. :) Hows the touring?

PS That bumper worked great, and thank you.....

I did not know that. I learn something from you every day. :) Hows the touring?

PS That bumper worked great, and thank you.....

Glad it worked.
The Touring is a work in progress. I'm hoping to get coilovers and rims by the end of the year, then getting it on the ground.:buttrock

Headlights, yes. Corners and tails, no. So one piece headlights, no (but these usually look like crap anyway). I got a nice pair of the Euro Depos from eBay. Haven't done anything but high-temp H1s for now, but damn they look nice.

just get them from Umnitza.

i want to, and I know they have good quality stuff, but those guys charge through the roof for their stuff

not really. quality isn't free though.

they are EASILY 20% more expensive on pretty much everything they sell then most of their competitors. Like I said, I know they are good quality but doesn't DEPO make their lights? And as cool as the predator chromium lights are, they are charging you about 1000 times what it actually cost them. If people see value in it, that is totally ok, and great for their business. I just don't personally see anything THAT great that I should pay a massive premium for.

you want the brightest rings right? Developing that technology isn't free. Umnitza offers both ZKW and Depo applications, their new Depo's are very good though.

and they really aren't any more expensive then the competition.

I totally agree that there quality is good, but when your on a budget you have to balance quality with available funds :)

I totally agree that there quality is good, but when your on a budget you have to balance quality with available funds :)
PM sent. You are very close to me! :D

Thanks Ty.

We provide warranty, and you know we've been around and will be around.

We're not some fly by night vendor that happily makes a big splash then slowly disappears and is never heard from again. Selling you a product that 1 year later you might as well throw in the trash because they won't support you.

Thanks Ty.

We provide warranty, and you know we've been around and will be around.

We're not some fly by night vendor that happily makes a big splash then slowly disappears and is never heard from again. Selling you a product that 1 year later you might as well throw in the trash because they won't support you.

And there are plenty of companies out there that sell similar products to yours for a reasonable price that aren't fly by night businesses. I think its sort of ignorant to act like your the only one in the market with a good business model. Thats great that you are a sponsor here, and im not discounting the fact that you have good products, but I think its disparaging to other vendors here and on the web to insinuate that you are the only reputable business online, and that since you are reputable people should pay you more for nearly the same product???

Fix the Roof while the sun is shining -----J.F.K

It is disparaging, who said I have to be nice to my competition that sells inferior products, names them the same as mine to mess with your heads into thinking you are getting our products, and further attempts to discredit our quality?

We have been around because many of these "fly by nights" arrive for 1 year and go away, leaving you with nothing but the product you bought and hope that nothing goes wrong.

Are we the only ones? No, good companies like Turner, BavAuto and many others are also there. But I know of whom I speak when I disparage the crackpot vendors on both eBay and 'elsewhere' that purport to sell "similar" products (an M3 is "similar" to a 3-series, but it's not the SAME), and reasonable prices are TBD (if you buy something for less, and it fails but could have spend a little more and nothave it fail or have full support for it).

So please consider how if you just look around this small little microcosm of a forum just how many people we have served and how many of them are incredibly excited about our products. That says something.

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It does mean something, I was just making a point that rash generalizations shouldn't be made, there are many many fly by night operations, but there are also many other great companies. The other thing to consider, is that not everyone can afford your prices and are enticed to go to alternate channels, that have still given them great service, and a good product. I don't think that competitive pricing along with solid service is ever a bad thing. I just think umnitza should break the mold and offer demon pricing to go along with the "devilishly" good service. ;)

:lol: touche, but I think you do some closer analysis of the pricing, you'll see that they are not only reasonable, they are also lower than you expect.

If you would like I will be more then happy to do some research and post a comparitive analysis along with average quality ratings, with your competitions prices. Im willing to put the time in to do it, as long as your willing to accept whatever the results are + or -, we can even create an index rating that gauges value vs price, and let the members vote on the results.......

PS......Just so you know, Im a general manager for a 65million dollar retail store, so I do have a bit of credibility when it comes to business analysis. :)

too subjective sorry...I can think of 25 different ways that this is not going to work.

You'd have to:
1) provide relative lumen outputs of HIDs - and you would need testing data
2) provide output ratings of angel eyes and time testing - MTBF is hard to do when you are on a limited budget (of just buying lights).
3) you can do a "price shopper" guide but those are usually fraught with inaccuracies because it's not a mature market with similar KNOWN feature sets
4) You can compare like for like with similar brands, but then you'd have to actually BUY all of them
5) Members voting? Doesn't work. Easy to register a fake account and randomly jack up the tabulation or skew it incoherently.

Sorry dude, those are just 5, and I could go on.

PS......Just so you know, Im a general manager for a 65million dollar retail store, so I do have a bit of credibility when it comes to business analysis. :)

That puts you in a rarefied air around here. I still know it won't work.
Only way you could possibly do this is a Car and Driver approach where we all provide you with our top of the line product, you install it, you rate it, you have 20 people do the judging, you have pre-configured test criterion, etc.

Not saying I wouldn't participate, I'd participate in a heartbeat, but I doubt you'd have other takers;)

That puts you in a rarefied air around here. I still know it won't work.
Only way you could possibly do this is a Car and Driver approach where we all provide you with our top of the line product, you install it, you rate it, you have 20 people do the judging, you have pre-configured test criterion, etc.

Not saying I wouldn't participate, I'd participate in a heartbeat, but I doubt you'd have other takers;)

I think those are some pretty reasonable concerns, but I don't see why we couldn't do it. We could do 5 people on e36, 5 on e46, get a bunch of the vendors together, and see who steps up to the plate?? We could at least post it in the general forums, seeing which vendors were interested and see if its even a feasible idea that we could get enough people to participate.

I guess we can seperate the men from the boys here....

even if you didn't? this is the best and worst time of the year, as many vendors are gearing up for the big "season" of shopping that is right around the corner.

I'm not giving you excuses. I'd even be happy to wave a restocking fee completely if you wanted to just get the headlights that you thought you wanted and - if you didn't install them - you could send them back after you did you "analysis" but I just don't see how it would work right this time - maybe in February;)

why wouldn't you want to show how great your products are, right before the holiday buying season????????

It seems to me that if I wanted to promote how great my product was, this would be the exact right time to do it!!!

Check your PM's

I sorta feel like you asked for a suggestion and then got one (that happens to be the right answer) and then decided you for some personal reason didn't like it and decided that it couldn't possibly be the right answer.

I'm just curious what's your budget and what are you trying to achieve here?

Your posts show you don't seem to know much about lighting (that's nothing personal) yet you seem to know that Umnitza isn't for you, even though you don't have a firm grasp on what they even stock.

And the purpose of that last post was.........???????? I have a reasonable knowledge of lighting, and I completely understand what everyone has said about freeform lights, and it makes complete and total sense. Anything else I can help you with comandante? :)

Second of all, other then my misquote on the word free form, what makes you think I don't know anything about lighting? Second of all, what did I say that suggests that I don't know what umnitza carries???

Take a look at your previous posts, I think umnitza is a big boy, and he doesn't need you to come fight his battles.

they are EASILY 20% more expensive on pretty much everything they sell then most of their competitors. Like I said, I know they are good quality but doesn't DEPO make their lights? And as cool as the predator chromium lights are, they are charging you about 1000 times what it actually cost them. If people see value in it, that is totally ok, and great for their business. I just don't personally see anything THAT great that I should pay a massive premium for.


This shows me you know very litttle about lighting rings and the technology involved if you want the brightest.

This also shows me that you know little about the brands they carry.

This shows me you know very litttle about lighting rings and the technology involved if you want the brightest.

This also shows me that you know little about the brands they carry.

How so??? Everything they carry is right on their website? I didn't ask who had the brightest rings??? Just because I PERSONALLY don't see the value, doesn't mean I don't know anything about lighting. Im not claiming to be a guru, but I'm no idiot. You don't need to defend them, unless they are giving you a Devilishly good reach around. :) jk

You didn't know what they care "didn't depo make their lights".

Most people know here I have a bias toward Matt and his products, he's taken VERY good care of me while I had NOTHING but issues with the products from another vendor.

I fail to see what Umnitza is "20%" (your own words) more expensive on, on the EXACT same product.

Ty

correction 5-8 percent.