Mild steel is pretty hard to weld nicely with a mig but getting better.(i think)
I've purchased some schedule 40 piping...stay tuned.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/lisaotis/IMG_0893.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/lisaotis/IMG_0891.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/lisaotis/IMG_0889.jpg

that thing is sick!!!!!

looks cool, I haven't tried Mig welding, only arc so far so now idea on how hard it is to weld, but I bet it is a fun skill to learn. I could only afford an arc welder, or I would have MIG..

damn, the Mona Lisa in steel, nice man, love it!!!!

looks cool, I haven't tried Mig welding, only arc so far so now idea on how hard it is to weld, but I bet it is a fun skill to learn. I could only afford an arc welder, or I would have MIG..

AFAIK those are TIG welds :)

nice manifold.

Good project to learn on ,keep rocking

AFAIK those are TIG welds :)

nice manifold.

those are mig welds

those are mig welds
More like rat turds squished on over the seams:lol
Welded some schedule 40 last night and with the heat and wire speed just right it went on like butta. With enough practice Mig can be just as good as Tig..no?

It would be worth the money to get a fine coat of rust on to protect the metal. No, seriously are you going to get that coated with something to protect this work of art from cottosion? That silver jet-coating would be great. I've been in the fab business for a long time and your work looks awesome! good luck with the project!

With enough practice Mig can be just as good as Tig..no?

no, not unless you can somehow make it look like this:

http://www.gmfco.com/metal_fabricating/images/fl_tig_welding_aluminum_flange_34.jpg

With enough practice Mig can be just as good as Tig..no?


Deffinetley no.

Deffinetley no.

Is it just from an appearance stand point or strength?

nice manifold I like the way you maped it out. Hope it makes the power you want. Don't worrie about the welds

Glad to see some more people pick up a welder and learn.

Just some thoughts/questions:
- No a/c? If you're going to go to all that work, why not try to make a/c fit?
- Where is the wastegate dump going? Behind the headlights and out the bumper?
- The collector looks good, but I'd think about either spending some quality time with the grinder or getting it tig'd by someone else. That seems like it's an important area to have smooth flow.

- Lastly, are you shooting to get into the 11's now or is this going a bit further :devillook

Mostly appearence. The welds will be pretty sloppy, and possably weak. Tig welding is by far the best for this application.

Is it just from an appearance stand point or strength?

TIG welding provides a LOT more control over the strength and appearance of the weld from dynamic heat control and filler rod feeding. It's a bit harder to learn than MIG, but as you can see in that previous post... it can look perfect. The strength of the weld with a welder skilled enough to do that will also out do MIG welds. For intensive purposes though... MIG does the job, and does it easily.

Glad to see you're getting some good practice fabricating and getting a bitchin' manifold on the M10! Keep it going, man.

-Kevin-

Dont bother trying to TIG the mild steel - it REQUIRES filler rod and cannot be fused without. Switch to stainless and you can use very little if any filler rod :)


For what it's worth, MIG welds are fine for all of us on here. None of us are going for x-ray quality welds.

I just hope the mild steel will hold up to the constant heat cycling...dont think it will crack at the joints?

I woulda used at least SS304 for the manifold but otherwise looks great! Make sure to show us the final product :buttrock

Thanks for the kind replies everyone. :)
As far as cracking mine has been on the car for 2 1/2 years holding up a T04B with no bracing, lets see how long it lasts.

Dont bother trying to TIG the mild steel - it REQUIRES filler rod and cannot be fused without.:confused
Most of us are not going for x-ray quality welds.:D I tig mild all the time for drag car headers and an experienced welder will do just as good with mild as with stainless, filler rod is a direct result of fittment not material. BTW make sure you clean ALL the nerts off inside the manifold, all it takes is one to breakoff while the turbo is spinnin and you got junk. Keep up the fab stuff it only gets better if you want it to. ///J.T.///

Dont bother trying to TIG the mild steel - it REQUIRES filler rod and cannot be fused without.

Yes it can.




For what it's worth, MIG welds are fine for all of us on here. None of us are going for x-ray quality welds.

The big difference I have found between MIG and TIG welds when it comes to making IC piping, is that MIG welds are prone to leaking air.

Every now and again take soapy water, spray it on your IC tubing, and pressurize it.

I was amazed to find all sorts of small bubbles. TIG welds are solid.

no, not unless you can somehow make it look like this:

http://www.gmfco.com/metal_fabricating/images/fl_tig_welding_aluminum_flange_34.jpg


it depends on the skill of the welder ....and experience with materials
I work where the welders use only mig wire feed and it looks as
good as some of the best tig weldeing I've seen.....

I tig mild all the time for drag car headers and an experienced welder will do just as good with mild as with stainless, filler rod is a direct result of fittment not material. BTW make sure you clean ALL the nerts off inside the manifold, all it takes is one to breakoff while the turbo is spinnin and you got junk. Keep up the fab stuff it only gets better if you want it to. ///J.T.///

You are wrong. YOU CANNOT FUSE MILD TO MILD WITHOUT FILLER:

http://www.weldingweb.com/showpost.php?p=48048&postcount=2

Been there, done that. I fabricated my whole turbo setup welding myself (TIG and MIG). You cannot fuse mild steel without filler - plain and simple.

Thanks.


If you guys think you can fuse mild steel with no filler, show us ;)

You are wrong. YOU CANNOT FUSE MILD TO MILD WITHOUT FILLER:

http://www.weldingweb.com/showpost.php?p=48048&postcount=2

Been there, done that. I fabricated my whole turbo setup welding myself (TIG and MIG). You cannot fuse mild steel without filler - plain and simple.

Thanks.


If you guys think you can fuse mild steel with no filler, show us ;)

So, if take a little movie of myself fusing two pieces of a Mild steel Ubend together without filler rod, it would be impossible?

Nope its completely possible - the additives to mild steel prevent it from bonding correctly. Do this - take a movie of u using a TIG torch to bond mild steel. Let it sit for 15 mins. Then take a hammer and bang the work - that'll be the funny part.

Nope its completely possible - the additives to mild steel prevent it from bonding correctly. Do this - take a movie of u using a TIG torch to bond mild steel. Let it sit for 15 mins. Then take a hammer and bang the work - that'll be the funny part.

I'm just trying to get this straight. You are saying that the weld you get when you pool two pieces of mild steel tubing together just by using the Tungsten, will break when you hit it with a hammer?

I ask because 2/3 of my IC/Exhaust/Dump tube was done with like this.

I just painted this IC to TB, but the majority of this pipe was welded with no filler.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/trthrrt489/IMG_0282.jpg

Fusing mild steel will work, its not going to just fall apart in your hands. Its not the right way to do it in the grand scheme of things but I have done it on IC pipes in the past in a pinch and they hold up just fine after 2-3 years of boosting. I wouldnt lose any sleep over your pipes. They do look pretty undercut in your pics but if it breaks you can just fix it. I would never fuse MS on a turbo manifold as thats a bit more critical. A crack in a manifold can start melting shit in the engine bay so thats not worth the risk. Ill usually fuse 16gau. ss stuff adding filler where needed but for sch. 10 you pretty much HAVE to do it in two passes, bevel the edges, do a root pass and then a capping pass with filler. If you put enough heat into thick wall ss to get full penetration in a single pass it will be overheated and turn an ugly grey from contamination. When some guys start bitching about paying over $1000 for an inline 6 turbo manifold it makes me laugh as they probably never tried cutting sch. 10 stainless, a 6-1 collector, or had to weld every seams....twice. Its time consuming to say the least. :eyecrazy

Here's the completed pics. Some 1500 degree header paint baked on with a blowtorch.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/lisaotis/IMG_0894.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/lisaotis/IMG_0897.jpg

Its not me saying this, it's every professional welder known on www.weldingweb.com and I have tried it.

If you are in fact using MILD STEEL, and you pool the metal with tungsten and fuse the two pieces, give it some time, and whack it hard with a hammer. It will crack. The additives in mild steel react and create martensite which compromises the weld severely.

When welding autogeneous, meaning without using filler, you cannot join dissimilar metals (SS to mild, or mild to mild) and expect a good weld. Your tubing may hold up find, it's not a very hot element of the setup, but you seriously should never autogeneously weld mild steel or carbon steel. Filler is not for taking up gaps in less than perfect work, its for bonding dissimilar metals.

I am just giving a friendly advice - I've TIGd my setup and I've talked to tons of welders and welding without filler rod on mild steel is discouraged! Your piping should be fine if its holding so far, but I would never do it on something that has stress or heat going to it.

When some guys start bitching about paying over $1000 for an inline 6 turbo manifold it makes me laugh as they probably never tried cutting sch. 10 stainless, a 6-1 collector, or had to weld every seams....twice. Its time consuming to say the least. :eyecrazy
Amen to that :buttrock
Jon post up some of your works of art, I visit your site every week to drool over work.

Its not me saying this, it's every professional welder known on www.weldingweb.com and I have tried it.

If you are in fact using MILD STEEL, and you pool the metal with tungsten and fuse the two pieces, give it some time, and whack it hard with a hammer. It will crack. The additives in mild steel react and create martensite which compromises the weld severely.

When welding autogeneous, meaning without using filler, you cannot join dissimilar metals (SS to mild, or mild to mild) and expect a good weld. Your tubing may hold up find, it's not a very hot element of the setup, but you seriously should never autogeneously weld mild steel or carbon steel. Filler is not for taking up gaps in less than perfect work, its for bonding dissimilar metals.

I am just giving a friendly advice - I've TIGd my setup and I've talked to tons of welders and welding without filler rod on mild steel is discouraged! Your piping should be fine if its holding so far, but I would never do it on something that has stress or heat going to it.

.........

Its not me saying this, it's every professional welder known on www.weldingweb.com and I have tried it.

If you are in fact using MILD STEEL, and you pool the metal with tungsten and fuse the two pieces, give it some time, and whack it hard with a hammer. It will crack. The additives in mild steel react and create martensite which compromises the weld severely.

When welding autogeneous, meaning without using filler, you cannot join dissimilar metals (SS to mild, or mild to mild) and expect a good weld. Your tubing may hold up find, it's not a very hot element of the setup, but you seriously should never autogeneously weld mild steel or carbon steel. Filler is not for taking up gaps in less than perfect work, its for bonding dissimilar metals.

I am just giving a friendly advice - I've TIGd my setup and I've talked to tons of welders and welding without filler rod on mild steel is discouraged! Your piping should be fine if its holding so far, but I would never do it on something that has stress or heat going to it.


You are smoking crack my friend.

If you all want I will go take video of myself fusing mild steel and then beating it with a hammer.

You are seriously a joke. A typical Internet-certified welder/fabricator/engine builder/mechanic/lots of other choice words. Its people like you that destroy forums like this. Your attitude is piss poor at best and you spread missinformation based on little to no backing like wildfire. You dont realize that there are people here that think highly of what you say and then will repeat and follow your word.

Your very very very incorrect word.

If you wanna argue go ahead. This is my area of expertise. This is my job. This is what I am paid a very large amount of money every two weeks to know. I am a professional in this area and have been for a while, its what I do.

And BTW you can also weld aluminum with no rod. Its VERY hard and takes good control of your heat but with high and heavy pulses you can get the base metals to pool and then conjoin.

Mild steel.......mild steel WANTS TO POOL! I would go into the physics of molten metal and the ionic bonds that make it want to conjoin to form a pool but.........sadly I dont think youll understand it. Since you listen to a webforum and dont just try it. And if your welds crack.........then yer doing it VERY wrong.

I'll also weld mild steel to stainless all day long........

Wanna tell me that'll crack also??

Please tell me it will........please..........

CHECK IT OUT!!!!

Its a fusion weld!!!

ITS GON CRACK!!!

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0189.JPG

http://www.weldingweb.com/showthread.php?p=58433#post58433

Just for you Streub

ps that's the goofiest wastegate lead i've ever seen.

http://www.weldingweb.com/showthread.php?p=58433#post58433

Just for you Streub

ps that's the goofiest wastegate lead i've ever seen.

Tell Nick G......its his kit, not mine.


This is my setup....

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/normal_DSC01851.JPG


And these are my welds.....wanna keep going at this with me?

Lets see yours.......

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/normal_DSC01866.JPG
http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/normal_DSC01864.JPG

http://www.weldingweb.com/showthread.php?p=58433#post58433

Just for you Streub

ps that's the goofiest wastegate lead i've ever seen.
Care to explain what's goofy about it? Straight pipe with a flange?

Damn, how exotic!!

Care to explain what's goofy about it? Straight pipe with a flange?

Damn, how exotic!!

Its straight - it looks odd. It looks goofy. The end.

http://e34.digital7.com/Welding/tig2.jpg

http://e34.digital7.com/MotorBuild/turbomount2.jpg

http://e34.digital7.com/MotorBuild/welds.jpg

Blah blah MIG and TIG big fuckin deal Streub.

Also you can see adding filler to the joint of mild steel pipe to stainless steel flange - hey guess what, I did it because it was recommended by every book I own!! OMG I followed directions!

I wanna sign up for the classes you took and a list of the books you learned from.

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/urine_prowelder.JPG

:ninja :killshot: :eatpop:

I wanna sign up for the classes you took and a list of the books you learned from.

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/urine_prowelder.JPG

This was the first time I have EVER welded anything other than an exhaust.

Laugh all you want - my car runs ;)

And, contrary to everyones 1) mocking the SS manifold 2) saying the setup wouldn't work, my car runs ;)

Also, my car runs ;)

Im done with BFC. I cant stand this anymore.

It ends when I argue with an E-Fabricator on AIM (Urine Machine IM's me out of the blue) for over an hour about a topic he just doesnt get and finds as many angles as possible to make himself right and then when cornered.....try and make it seem like he comes in peace. I feel like I just went 4 rounds with a sales rep.

Peace BFC..........Stick me with a fork. Im done.

You wonder why JT barely posts here anymore......well now you know why he left.

The same reason I am. Pat yourself on the back Urineboy. :thumbsup:

LOL ok Streub - that's pretty lame but hey you're right you're a professional...

I thought I was the "young one"?

Boostd525: I think I've made it more than apparent that I mean no attack on any one person and would much rather see the forum populated with useful information.

I guess I am just a huge terrible person!

Summary of convo:

Me: Hey using mild steel to mild steel fusion with no filler isn't proper way of doing it
Streub: I know but it works. I am a professional this is what I do.
Me: Well wouldn't it be right to tell people the best way to do it?
Streub: ... .... .... I know its not right, but it works.
Me: Ok well, I don't mean to attack anyone I just want to see the best information make its way to the server. Take care.
Streub: ::quits the internet::

Shrug

Urinemachine, don't even try to act like your setup is in any way perfect or even ideal for that matter. Nothing wrong with that, mine isn't either. But even still you act like you have the baddest ass car on here. Just look at some of the other cars on this thread. Alot of cars just on this page absolutely put your work to shame. Period.


And a note to good & tight, I love your car to death. You have inspired me to look for an e30 318 for a track car. Keep up the good work!

Urinemachine, don't even try to act like your setup is in any way perfect or even ideal for that matter. Nothing wrong with that, mine isn't either. But even still you act like you have the baddest ass car on here. Just look at some of the other cars on this thread. Alot of cars just on this page absolutely put your work to shame. Period.


And a note to good & tight, I love your car to death. You have inspired me to look for an e30 318 for a track car. Keep up the good work!

Where did I claim mine is perfect? I am using an up pipe. I don't know how you can say they put mine to shame - do you see any other custom top mounted E34s on here? What are you comparing to?

Where did I claim mine is perfect? I am using an up pipe. I don't know how you can say they put mine to shame - do you see any other custom top mounted E34s on here? What are you comparing to?

I am comparing to anyone else who has made there own setup by hand. E34 or not. I truelly do like your car but that manifold is retarded. Why didn't you just make your own manifold?

I am comparing to anyone else who has made there own setup by hand. E34 or not. I truelly do like your car but that manifold is retarded. Why didn't you just make your own manifold?

Because this setup was $119. This is my daily, I don't want to mess with making a manifold. My car works this way. I guess Porsche 944's are retarded also?

I guess Porsche 944's are retarded also?


Yes, the engine is in the wrong end. Musta put em backwards on the assembly line or somethin :help

No really, I <3 944's. :redspot

You are smoking crack my friend.



That's exactly what I was thinking. Tom has my TIG, but I was tempted to drive to Naperville to do a video.

I have dropped, beaten with a hammer, grinded and abused my IC pipe and they have held up fine.

This was the first time I have EVER welded anything other than an exhaust.

Laugh all you want - my car runs ;)

And, contrary to everyones 1) mocking the SS manifold 2) saying the setup wouldn't work, my car runs ;)

Also, my car runs ;)

BTW, your welds look like they were MIG'd. In an earlier post you had said that you had TIG'd your setup. I am assumming you don't have your own TIG, and don't have much seat time with a TIG.

WeldingWeb is great, but I own a TIG machine and weld crap all the time. I know that the pooling welds hold up.

Also, you throw Streubs car not running in his face. You have obviously not been in the modifying game very long.

Cars break. I am going to feel good when you have issues.

I think the whole problem here is Urine machine started to quote verse on how to weld. Now he says that was his first tig weld. Hardly a professional weld in my opinion and nowhere the caliber for him to tell anyone else how to and what not to do. I have been welding for 35 years, SEMA certified and several people from this site have seen my work. I think there have been some misquotes on technique and function about welding. We are not slamming each others turbo design. When it becomes obvious that the statements made about welding are tainted, we all should look to some professional help to get the job done correctly. Actually that is personal prefference at that point. BTW make sure you clean all the flash(stray metal) out of the inside manifold, one stray piece of metal in the hot section of the turbo will turn it to junk. ///J.T.///

This was the first time I have EVER welded anything other than an exhaust.

Laugh all you want - my car runs ;)

And, contrary to everyones 1) mocking the SS manifold 2) saying the setup wouldn't work, my car runs ;)

Also, my car runs ;) Actually you are misinformed on that TOO! Streub's car runs. Rather well too, unless he was peddaling it at 85mph next to me.:D ///J.T.///

This is the one statement that started it all. Just in case we forgot how we got into this mess.
(Dont bother trying to TIG the mild steel - it REQUIRES filler rod and cannot be fused without. Switch to stainless and you can use very little if any filler rod ) This statement is false and I will only make comment on that statement made. It is false and the person that made it should do more reading.:D ///J.T.///

If only it weren't welded by some Greek mofo, maybe they'd look half decent. :evil2 I like it, man, looking good!!

Im done with BFC. I cant stand this anymore.

It ends when I argue with an E-Fabricator on AIM (Urine Machine IM's me out of the blue) for over an hour about a topic he just doesnt get and finds as many angles as possible to make himself right and then when cornered.....try and make it seem like he comes in peace. I feel like I just went 4 rounds with a sales rep.

Peace BFC..........Stick me with a fork. Im done.

You wonder why JT barely posts here anymore......well now you know why he left.

The same reason I am. Pat yourself on the back Urineboy. :thumbsup:

Brian(Strueb), dont leave dude, FI forum needs fabricators and welders like you. As well as an engineer like you and the experience you bring to the forum.

Dont leave on the account of Urinemachine

Actually you are misinformed on that TOO! Streub's car runs. Rather well too, unless he was peddaling it at 85mph next to me.:D ///J.T.///


C'mon.....my car doesnt run.

It wasnt running in these vids either from Muncie while finishing the motor break-in.

I paid a band of midgets to sit in the trunk and Fred Flintstone my car down the 1320.

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/Brian_vs_GT2871SRT4_muncie2.wmv
http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/Brian_vs_modCobra_muncie3.wmv
http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10057/Brian_vs_SCstang_muncie1.wmv

And in this pic......when I redid Jims setup for the GT35R upgrade.....that car there.....its mine but I pushed it all the way to oak park with all my fab equipment in the trunk. I tell ya.......pushing a car to 120mph on 290 with 250lbs in the trunk is NOT EASY!!! ;)

http://e-owned.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0175.JPG

Brian(Strueb), dont leave dude, FI forum needs fabricators and welders like you. As well as an engineer like you and the experience you bring to the forum.

Dont leave on the account of Urinemachine

+1, threads like this are the reason we need people like you around! Otherwise its all just a bunch of people with seven minutes of fabrication experience spurting off on what they might or might not know about.

And that wasn't directed to you Urinemachine so go off on me.

BTW, your welds look like they were MIG'd. In an earlier post you had said that you had TIG'd your setup. I am assumming you don't have your own TIG, and don't have much seat time with a TIG.

WeldingWeb is great, but I own a TIG machine and weld crap all the time. I know that the pooling welds hold up.

Also, you throw Streubs car not running in his face. You have obviously not been in the modifying game very long.

Cars break. I am going to feel good when you have issues.

Yeah you're right I am a complete idiot my car breaks down all the time. I built my ecu and its the most unreliable thing ever.

http://e34.digital7.com/Welding/welder1.jpg

Btw, keep assuming - you know what they say.

:lol

Well I hope you sit every day in anticipation of feeling good - it's been about 1,500 miles and I have NOT A SINGLE ISSUE. How many cars running kits can you say that about? Haha - most boneheaded thing to say ever.

what brand of panties are you all wearing? woh cares if you can tig with out filler there are probably 3 people on the forum that tig weld on a regular basis and they all posted in here so dont worry about misinformation tainting the web site lol. every body needs to stop trying to be experts and getting so defencive all the time. you can disagree with sombody with out typing: "YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG YOU DUMBASS!!!!" just make you point and be civil about it.
btw is it just me or do I always end up having the last post in a thread, I bet this is the last post in this thread.

Brian(Strueb), dont leave dude, FI forum needs fabricators and welders like you. As well as an engineer like you and the experience you bring to the forum.

Dont leave on the account of Urinemachine

x2

what brand of panties are you all wearing? woh cares if you can tig with out filler there are probably 3 people on the forum that tig weld on a regular basis and they all posted in here so dont worry about misinformation tainting the web site lol. every body needs to stop trying to be experts and getting so defencive all the time. you can disagree with sombody with out typing: "YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG YOU DUMBASS!!!!" just make you point and be civil about it.
btw is it just me or do I always end up having the last post in a thread, I bet this is the last post in this thread. The object here was telling someone the wrong info ,so some of us got sensitive about it and some of us had better info. answer to your question BVD's boxer shorts.:D and you were not the last post.:D ///J.T.///

what brand of panties are you all wearing? woh cares if you can tig with out filler there are probably 3 people on the forum that tig weld on a regular basis and they all posted in here so dont worry about misinformation tainting the web site lol. every body needs to stop trying to be experts and getting so defencive all the time. you can disagree with sombody with out typing: "YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG YOU DUMBASS!!!!" just make you point and be civil about it.
btw is it just me or do I always end up having the last post in a thread, I bet this is the last post in this thread.

Commando and something tells me for once I won't be the last post either.

:devillook

I want another welder..... :(

I can't afford Blue right now.....

Im a diehard Blue and Yellow fan so my original Swedish Yellow will suffice for now. And yes yes.....at 10 years old its an original from the main Swedish plant. :stickoutt

I loaf Esab

Blue and Yellow FTMFW

Red FTL

All others......are there any others???

JT Im sure will get this, also Jon and Mike. You Blue freaks! :D

All you guys need to stop crying and this is what we should do. UrineMachine, gotpsi, and Steub1 should all make a top mount turbo manifold for my E36 M3, send it to me free of charge, and I'll decide which manifold I like best. Sound good ?:)

All you guys need to stop crying and this is what we should do. UrineMachine, gotpsi, and Steub1 should all make a top mount turbo manifold for my E36 M3, send it to me free of charge, and I'll decide which manifold I like best. Sound good ?:)

:confused

:nono I'll PM you with my Paypal account.

:D

Blue FTW!

Just outfitted my shop at work, and went all blue!

Millermatic 350P
Miller Spectrum 2050
Miller Dynasty 300DX TigRunner

Been playing with aluminum, since I am "new" to TIG. Way cool!

Steve

Commando and something tells me for once I won't be the last post either.

:devillook

I want another welder..... :(

I can't afford Blue right now.....

Im a diehard Blue and Yellow fan so my original Swedish Yellow will suffice for now. And yes yes.....at 10 years old its an original from the main Swedish plant. :stickoutt

I loaf Esab

Blue and Yellow FTMFW

Red FTL

All others......are there any others???

JT Im sure will get this, also Jon and Mike. You Blue freaks! :D



10 years old? Are we still talking about welders or are we now on underwear?




:) .





Juker008

I don't want to get into this, but just wanted to state a possible resolution. If one person says that it can be done, shoot a video of it. Now if the other person claims that it cannot be done, that person too should shoot a video as well.

In the videos it should include the material, settings, tecnique, and fab work. That way we can see if it is possible, or if it is not, what could possibly be the reason behind it, ie matterial, settings, or tecnique.

I know that you guys have the resources to do this licky-t split. So snap a vid and post it up. I'm sure that there is a small issue that is not being discussed nor explained. Possibly though the use of video we can see what some may be doing wrong.


Juker008

Blue FTW!

Just outfitted my shop at work, and went all blue!

Millermatic 350P
Miller Spectrum 2050
Miller Dynasty 300DX TigRunner

Been playing with aluminum, since I am "new" to TIG. Way cool!

Steve

The Dynasty DX series are amazing welders. The amount of arc focus you can get with the HF adjustment when welding aluminum with them is unreal! I can weld 14ga 6061 to 3/8" 3003 Jig plate quite easily with that welder. And thats a HARD TASK to do! You make the arc cone super wide for large similar material passes or adjust it as narrow as a laser beam for welding thin materials to very very thick materials.

My fav blues WERE syncrowave 250 or the aerowave 300 for materials needing alot more control. The DX replaced my love for the Aerowave. :)

I can't afford a Dynasty DX yet tho........for now I have to settle for my Esab.....and Im 100% ok with that!

10 years old? Are we still talking about welders or are we now on underwear?




:) .





Juker008

WTF?!?!

:lol

Damn you! :D

i'm picking up a dynasty 300dx this week also

Yeah you're right I am a complete idiot my car breaks down all the time. I built my ecu and its the most unreliable thing ever.

http://e34.digital7.com/Welding/welder1.jpg

Btw, keep assuming - you know what they say.

:lol

Well I hope you sit every day in anticipation of feeling good - it's been about 1,500 miles and I have NOT A SINGLE ISSUE. How many cars running kits can you say that about? Haha - most boneheaded thing to say ever.

Put your dads welder down and step away from the keyboard.

Does he set it up for you too?

i'm picking up a dynasty 300dx this week also

i hate you.......i really do. :mad

We have 2 Lincoln TIG 355's. Kinda old but they work pretty good. Also have 3 lincoln MIGs and a big ol' Hobart MIG. We buy mostly lincoln stuff since the local dealer is close....Except for our 2 ESAB plasma cutters.

Don

Put your dads welder down and step away from the keyboard.

Does he set it up for you too?



Come on guys...no need for this behavior

*runs from gunshots*

I think we need to get back on topic. I think we were looking at a top mount manifold that was totally home brewed. I thought it was a great first attempt that will work just fine. That is a whole bunch more than all of us just talking about doing it. We all learn from our mistakes and research. ///J.T.///

Put your dads welder down and step away from the keyboard.

Does he set it up for you too?

You are a true winner - go put your battery backwards in again... and you're going to tell me about welding lol. Hey buddy - red to red ;)

I took the IC into welding class and asked my teacher to weld on some aluminum blocks to the IC so I could tap them,

Oh baby trthrrt489, aren't you just a barrel full of experience!

You are a true dickhead.

You are a true winner - go put your battery backwards in again... and you're going to tell me about welding lol. Hey buddy - red to red ;)



Oh baby trthrrt489, aren't you just a barrel full of experience!



Do you randomly research on different people before posting? talk about waste of time.

I think we need to get back on topic. I think we were looking at a top mount manifold that was totally home brewed. I thought it was a great first attempt that will work just fine. That is a whole bunch more than all of us just talking about doing it. We all learn from our mistakes and research. ///J.T.///

Actually it's the 5th one i've made:shifty (you hurt my feelings)j/k:stickoutt
Lot of good welding info in this thread, I have the Lincoln 135T Mig for now.

Do you randomly research on different people before posting? talk about waste of time.

Nope - I remember him posting it and thought it'd be funny to bring up in a topic where he is criticizing people. I've never put a battery in backwards. I've also not claimed to know about welding, criticize other peoples equipment, and then post about how a welding teacher did his work. W00t.

If you guys don't find the irony in this go check out trthrthrhtrhthrt's oil return weld job its a beaut!

Do you randomly research on different people before posting? talk about waste of time.


Of course.

He researched that my car wasn't running also.

I pushed it to work today; Aurora to Carol Stream in 44min.

And I'll be pushing it from Carol Stream to Naperville in 1hr to your house tom then we're gonna push it together to the storage facility to work on the 328 some more tonight.

:stickoutt

Of course.

He researched that my car wasn't running also.

I pushed it to work today; Aurora to Carol Stream in 44min.

And I'll be pushing it from Carol Stream to Naperville in 1hr to your house tom then we're gonna push it together to the storage facility to work on the 328 some more tonight.

:stickoutt

Didn't you quit the internet or was that a 14 year old girl that said that?

Didn't you quit the internet or was that a 14 year old girl that said that?

http://www.thesocket.net/ninja.gif

Didn't you quit the internet or was that a 14 year old girl that said that?

I got 7 PM's from people asking that I stay on BFC because they find my information valuable and consider me an asset to BFC.

I find your jab....hmmm.....something of a 14yo girl.

I stay for the people that can learn from what I do. I dont come here to learn. If you sat quiet and just listened, you might learn also.

Manners and respect would be the first courses I would sign up for.

Now lets get back to the topic at hand as JT suggested.

The manifold will work extremely well and looks damn good for being mig'd together.

+2 for the manifold! :redspot

Now get THEEEE runnin!! :alright

Didn't you quit the internet or was that a 14 year old girl that said that?

Dude...why the elitist attitude? :rolleyes You come across as a real asshole on the web...hope your not like that in real life...:help

Dude...why the elitist attitude? :rolleyes You come across as a real asshole on the web...hope your not like that in real life...:help

I'm not that way in real life - nor am I an idiot though Streub would have you think otherwise.

I guess Porsche 944's are retarded also?

Yes, they are. In all seriousness.

(Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic).

I'm not that way in real life - nor am I an idiot though Streub would have you think otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words.

End it. This is old hat and there is a thread of importance here.

This is about a nice manifold and the spotlight has been stolen from it.

END IT

Back on topic.

Nope - I remember him posting it and thought it'd be funny to bring up in a topic where he is criticizing people. I've never put a battery in backwards. I've also not claimed to know about welding, criticize other peoples equipment, and then post about how a welding teacher did his work. W00t.

If you guys don't find the irony in this go check out trthrthrhtrhthrt's oil return weld job its a beaut!

I still can't weld aluminum.


However, I can afford a decent sized IC to have a welding teacher do it for me.

Your setup is a weak Mert little brother try at a boosted car.

Also, my posts from a year or two ago were about the same time you were begging mom for her old car......................................

On topic

Yup, back on topic...Miller > all. ;)

Speaking of welding. I've never welded a damn thing in my life, let alone be around someone who has welded, where would a good place be for a beginner like myself to start learning how to weld?

Speaking of welding. I've never welded a damn thing in my life, let alone be around someone who has welded, where would a good place be for a beginner like myself to start learning how to weld?

A good community college or local trade school actually. Make sure though that its not a crap program. Ever since all these new motorcylce TV shows have come out. Welding programs have sprun up like wildfire. A trade or technical school is preferred.

Also you can contact your local sheet metal workers or pipe fitters union and inquire on where someone can take beginners welding classes.

The best ones begin in a classroom with a text book and an instructor that knows the science of welding. That is the most important base before learning to weld. Without that, all youll learn how to do is burn metal and make it look nice. Thats not welding.

I was lucky in that my HS had a machine shop and welding classes all 4 years and my instructor (Erv Beckett) had a college degree to back up his 30years of experience. I owe that man nearly all I know. Taught me so much.

Along with that.....get a welder and go at it!!

:)

I still can't weld aluminum.


However, I can afford a decent sized IC to have a welding teacher do it for me.

Your setup is a weak Mert little brother try at a boosted car.

Also, my posts from a year or two ago were about the same time you were begging mom for her old car......................................

You're an idiot - i am not even going to justify myself but if you'd like I have an invoice from Thompson BMW in 2002 for the purchase of my car in cash and I can call my bank and ask for the withdrawal information I had to sign for that sum. Blow me. If you'd like I can call Sal (AC Bimmer) in here and have him show the check I wrote him for my OTHER e34 as well. Feel free - we can start shit if you want.

How the fuck is my car at all related to Mert? Go find a concrete barrier and utilize it.

Jon even bought me my E46,... he is no p00r college kid :rofl


Rly tho... blow him. You don't know shit. Kthxbye.

A good community college or local trade school actually. Make sure though that its not a crap program. Ever since all these new motorcylce TV shows have come out. Welding programs have sprun up like wildfire. A trade or technical school is preferred.

Also you can contact your local sheet metal workers or pipe fitters union and inquire on where someone can take beginners welding classes.

The best ones begin in a classroom with a text book and an instructor that knows the science of welding. That is the most important base before learning to weld. Without that, all youll learn how to do is burn metal and make it look nice. Thats not welding.

I was lucky in that my HS had a machine shop and welding classes all 4 years and my instructor (Erv Beckett) had a college degree to back up his 30years of experience. I owe that man nearly all I know. Taught me so much.

Along with that.....get a welder and go at it!!

:)


Thanks for the tips. Any recommendations on beginner welders? I'd probably only be doing sheetmetal and pipes, probably both stainless and aluminum.

Actually it's the 5th one i've made:shifty (you hurt my feelings)j/k:stickoutt
Lot of good welding info in this thread, I have the Lincoln 135T Mig for now. That's cool keep up the good work and keep thinking out of the box. ///J.T.///

Lmao dont even let this guy get to you Jon. FWIW- Jons sister bought my old E34 cash (well, bank check IE same shit) and then about a year later the Rondell Wheels that used to be on it.

Not like its any of his business any way Jon, but w/e.


Back on topic guys!



/story



-Sal

Hey. Your M10 Manifold Looks Really Cool. The M10 Is A Really Cool Motor For Boost, I Want To See 500+hp Out Of It, And I Don't Want Any Excuses.

Thanks for the tips. Any recommendations on beginner welders? I'd probably only be doing sheetmetal and pipes, probably both stainless and aluminum.

I would rec. learning with steels first and getting used to the hand positions and learning how to keep things steady, how to adjust your heat and direct your heat with the torch, etc. Learning to study the weld pool and the base metal as as or more important that technique in the beginning to me. Knowing how to pay attention to the color of the metal and its appearance tells you a major story about whats going on. Also watching the puddle surface for impurities that come to the surface, boiling or spattering of the pool, etc. There is ALOT more in the beginning than just melting metal. :)


Oddly enough.....I feel the BEST way to learn to weld is with oxy/acetylene and mild steel. And learning to fuse with it first. Then learn with rod, because they are two VERY different animals in the very very beginning. Oxy/acetylene welding lets you learn the absolute basics of welding dynamics. How to control heat, how to form a puddle, how to coax a puddle to form when the metals are being finicky, etc. Because its also the coldest of the welding processes at approx 6000°F, it forces you to weld slow and properly. Its also very very finicky and rather difficult in that you are constantly oxidizing the weld pool. This forces you also to weld at a rate that wont boil the puddle and then eventually get puddle explosions. Rather unnerving at first but its kinda funny after a while. lol What it teaches you tho is what to look for, why you are seeing what you are, what is wrong and right and teaches you how important technique and proper speed is.

SO! Yeah you could jump in and learn ARC welding (in any fashion) in the beginning. If you really want to learn to weld.......I would rec. starting in the beginning with gas welding. At the same time, learn brazing as its a piggy back off of gas welding in that you use the same torch assy. From there you would go to stick arc welding, MIG and then finally TIG welding. Thats the normal progression and there is a reason.

Gas teaches you the fundementals of welding dynamics. Then stick arc gets you used to controlling an ARC and its heat and just learning ABOUT it. Mig then brings you into a fashion of welding where you are handling the torch in a similar fashion to TIG. MIG is tricky to do VERY right.....dont let it fool you. Its easy to learn to blast things together fast. You can learn in a few hours. But learning to do it WELL is very different. Learning how to determine wire speed and heat range, pre and post flow of the shielding gas and pulse. The latter three things will cross over to tig welding.

The finally the mother of all welding....TIG. The most broad welding known. You can weld more materials with TIG than any other process next to E-beam or laser. TIG though takes the most patience, the most pre-prep of materials and equipment, the purest of consumables and the highest amout or technique. With it though you are able to achieve strengths in the weld area HIGHER than both base metals alone. You can test a weld sample with proper filler and preperation in a tension test rig and actually tear the base metals away from the weld area. The weld area will not fail.

TIG done improperly though is very decieving in that you can produce VERY VERY VERY beautiful perfect welds and no heat affected zones into the base metal..........but there can also be what they call surface fusion only. Where the skin of the base metals is the only part frozen.

I can take two pieces of 1/4" mild plate with a precision butt joint and fuse them with 25amps.......and make a PERFECT and beautiful weld.........thats only 1/32" deep. So, very decieving!!!!

This is what takes the skill in TIG. Prepping the materials properly to get the penetration % required for the end product.


OK.....im done. :D

That's cool keep up the good work and keep thinking out of the box. ///J.T.///

Speaking of outside the box..........you should see what I brought home in the trunk of the M.......

Pushing it of course since my car doesnt run. :stickoutt

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

You'll scratch yer head and ask "Brian.....what are you up to?"

:evil2

Speaking of outside the box..........you should see what I brought home in the trunk of the M.......

Pushing it of course since my car doesnt run. :stickoutt

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

You'll scratch yer head and ask "Brian.....what are you up to?"

:evil2

You never give up do you?

Also I found stick welding to be simple. I have MIG'd for a while, using fluxcore machines and gas machines. I have even done MIG with aluminum wire and straight argon for some welding on my supercharger bracket I made (hey did ya hear that? i fabricated something before! omgz!). I also used it to weld my oil return for the supercharger to the front of the pan. I will probably get flamed for this too, but the only real accurate way to weld aluminum is TIG on AC with high frequency arc start and then shutting the arc down real low via foot pedal (crank amps down) since the aluminum is very quick to pool but somewhat hard to start a good arc on. When using TIG, I prefer to use high freq start rather than scratch start because striking the arc via contact nearly ALWAYS contaminated the thoriated tungsten and you quickly see the deterioration of arc travel and contamination of weld. You can do aluminum on DC current but I did not have much luck with it - I think you use a positive ground and eletrode negative setup for that, I did a couple beads but didn't feel comfortable enough to try my pan(s).

The best way to get a hang of whats going on, I think, is with stick welding since its a real obvious cause and effect type situation. Wire feeders are fine but they really require no technique because all you do is set the wirefeed speed and amperage to what the manual on your machine says and go from there tweaking each. You run like 15 cfh of 75/25 gas, moderate speed, moderate amps and you can weld just about anything. Stainless is the most forgiving. If you really want to learn the hard stuff grab a TIG and a piece of 1/4" stainless square plate - most metal shops will have tons of scrap. I ran strings and strings of beads in this stuff. The best way I found to start an arc on a TIG without high freq is to extend the tungsten about 1/8" or 1/4" out past the collet, lay the torch in your hand flat to the material about 15 degrees, place the tungsten about 1/32" from the surface of the work and hit your pedal or trigger depending on torch. Hopefully your arc will start, once you have it started, either go with it moving the torch at speed for the amperage or back down your amperage with your foot pedal. If the arc will not start, check your gas coverage - i run a #7 collet with 12 cfh 72/25 argon/co when doing stainless - you MAY need to make contact with the work using the tungsten. Make sure your tungsten is ground to a sharp point, ground down to that point ON AXIS with the length of the rod. If you grind opposite the axis you create a natural tendancy for arc wander due to flat surfaces. Also, when grinding 2% thoriated tungsten, wear a dust mask and do so in a ventilated area!!!! THORIATED TUNGSTEN IS CARCINOGENIC!! If ya don't feel safe using 2% thoriated (the best in my opinion for arc starting) you can get ceriated which isn't so bad for you.

Anyway, regardless of the banter, I have done this before, I do have experience, I don't do EVERYTHING by the book but I do mind cautions given by manufacturers and manuals.

If anyone wants to do aluminum I have about 12 lbs of 5156 fill rod that I don't need any longer, if anyone is interested I can ship ya it for a couple bucks.

Thanks for the post Streu. I'm finally getting around to getting 220 run to my garage so I can start welding. It's kinda humbling to start out with the 'un-bling' oxy method, but it's not the first time I've heard that advice so I'm going to give it a shot.

Sorta OT, any tips for better fitting piping/tubing together short of just practice? As soon as I stand infront of the bandsaw, my IQ drops like 80pts and I make stupid cuts.


You never give up do you?

Oh the irony.

Urine, in short you're being 'that guy'.

Mellow out, contribute where needed, and keep the petty stuff off the board. If you read something you don't like, ignore it, flip off the screen, and go surf for pr0n. It's what I do.

But theres no reason to drag down threads like this (and others). We know how much you've spent, we know it (sort of) runs, etc. But theres no reason to go crapping in peoples threads who spent more money (Cameron, barret, etc), or time (me, and lots of others), or did things a bit different (Chicago guys are weird) and to tell them you did it better/cheaper/faster/different. We know.

Your build is really helpful in paving the way for budget guys (if you would consolodate all your threads), but let the guys who have done this for a while do their own thing.

Mellow out, contribute where needed, and keep the petty stuff off the board. If you read something you don't like, ignore it, flip off the screen, and go surf for pr0n. It's what I do.

:lol :devillook

Sorta OT, any tips for better fitting piping/tubing together short of just practice? As soon as I stand infront of the bandsaw, my IQ drops like 80pts and I make stupid cuts.


One thing that confuses people is the angle they need versus the cut they picture. Draw the pipe out (original pipe, pre cut) and draw a LONG line at the correct angle thru the pipe. This sound trivial but its often hard to picture your cut even though you mark the pipe once you walk away from the car. Another thing you will notice is a metal bandsaw is a must (the kind that folds down onto the piping) but won't always let you cut the right angle because of the belt system and arm. A port-a-band is VERY practical for cuts like this but is a little awkward sometimes. Either way, most of the time, you'll be making several cuts to get the angle you want. NEVER THROW SCRAPS AWAY! I have a bucket full of probably 15 lbs of small 1/4", 1", and full radius bends and angle cuts just in case I need a little help somewhere.

We know how much you've spent, we know it (sort of) runs, etc.

What's that supposed to mean?

Oh yes - one more tip for any person wishing to try TIG out without reading much - once you have completed your bead or section of bead, leave the torch over the weld with the gas shielding the oxygen from that cooling bead. Should you simply lift the torch away from the area, you will have oxidization and contamination as well as burning within seconds if the oxygen is allowed to contact the weld area. Shield it for about 3 - 5 seconds after you break the arc.


Here is a perfect example of too much amperage, not enough gas, on a piece of thin wall stainless steel. I did this a couple times when switching from light gauge to thick gauge stainless steel:

http://e34.digital7.com/Welding/stainless1.jpg

Shit, one more thing worth noting is CLEAN YOUR WORK! I can't stress how different the welds develop between cleaned and uncleaned work. What I do is use a wire brush of he same or similar metal on a drill to grind away dirt and shit. This means to use stainless brush wire brush on stainless pipe. Once done that, I wipe the whole thing down with acetone. Let it air dry for a few seconds and have at it.

(Chicago guys are weird) That made me laugh and yeah I know! I'm from chicago. ///J.T.///

NEVER THROW SCRAPS AWAY! I have a bucket full of probably 15 lbs of small 1/4", 1", and full radius bends and angle cuts just in case I need a little help somewhere.

That's actually a good idea. Time to go add another parts bucket to my growing collection sitting under my workbench.


What's that supposed to mean?

I'm guessing the 'sorta running' part. Just that i've yet to see a dyno, you apparently are still fouling plugs, and have only had it running for a few weeks now. I'm anxious (in all seriousness and non meanspirited) to see how your car ends up in 6-12months.

That's actually a good idea. Time to go add another parts bucket to my growing collection sitting under my workbench.



I'm guessing the 'sorta running' part. Just that i've yet to see a dyno, you apparently are still fouling plugs, and have only had it running for a few weeks now. I'm anxious (in all seriousness and non meanspirited) to see how your car ends up in 6-12months.

I consider his car sorta running because he hasn't tossed in the built engine yet. :alright

He fixed the plug issue a week or two ago, so no issues with those, other than a lot of extra plugs laying around...

A dyno of the current setup would be nice as well.


Great info on TIG welding there Jon. :thumbup:

I'm guessing the 'sorta running' part. Just that i've yet to see a dyno, you apparently are still fouling plugs, and have only had it running for a few weeks now. I'm anxious (in all seriousness and non meanspirited) to see how your car ends up in 6-12months.

Well the fouling spark plugs isn't exactly fair to my running car. I put those Autolite plugs in (stock temp but gapped down to .025) about 900 miles ago. The thing is, I got a speeding ticket (doh, first ever!) and stopped boosting the car, however I had a map loaded that was on the rich side for safe boostage... so I was constantly cruising at like <2800 rpm for about 60 or 70 miles, and as we know, not burning the carbon off the plugs can build up QUICK. I have since pulled those plugs, put in the BKR7Es (colder) gapped down and have EGO correction on which aims for 14.5:1 afr cruising, though my on-boost AFR are rich (AngryPancake got a first hand experience as I launched a huge fire cracker /fireball off the other night on the way home from Cereal Killa's house!) to keep it safe, I have done about 150 miles on the BKR7E's with the EGO enabled. In other words, I was running open loop on a RICH map for boost before, and now I am running closed loop (AFR targeting at cruise) for the last 150 miles or so. I am actually going to pull the plugs tomorrow and check em out. I foresee no issues with this motor/tune. I ran 9.5 psi supercharged on an FMU with stock 17# injectors for about a 1 year. I know that was not the safest way, but I was researching my current ECU setup back then and now here I am. This motor clicked over 190,000 today and it's still freaking fast. I promise a video soon.

The only real problem I have now at this point is my clutch. Last night I was following Cereal Killa back on our ~50 mile trek from his house. We were on a 65 mph high way. I'd be in 5th gear around 70 or 75 (3.23 LSD rear end stock gear box) and I'd floor it WOT around 3000 - 3500. As soon as I saw the 3500 mark or so, the boost must build so much better in 5th gear, and my revs would just launch past the speed rate of change. I can sort of keep the clutch in line 1st and most of 2nd gear, but 3rd, 4th, and obviously 5th are a bit gay.

You never give up do you?

Also I found stick welding to be simple. I have MIG'd for a while, using fluxcore machines and gas machines. I have even done MIG with aluminum wire and straight argon for some welding on my supercharger bracket I made (hey did ya hear that? i fabricated something before! omgz!). I also used it to weld my oil return for the supercharger to the front of the pan. I will probably get flamed for this too, but the only real accurate way to weld aluminum is TIG on AC with high frequency arc start and then shutting the arc down real low via foot pedal (crank amps down) since the aluminum is very quick to pool but somewhat hard to start a good arc on. When using TIG, I prefer to use high freq start rather than scratch start because striking the arc via contact nearly ALWAYS contaminated the thoriated tungsten and you quickly see the deterioration of arc travel and contamination of weld. You can do aluminum on DC current but I did not have much luck with it - I think you use a positive ground and eletrode negative setup for that, I did a couple beads but didn't feel comfortable enough to try my pan(s).

The best way to get a hang of whats going on, I think, is with stick welding since its a real obvious cause and effect type situation. Wire feeders are fine but they really require no technique because all you do is set the wirefeed speed and amperage to what the manual on your machine says and go from there tweaking each. You run like 15 cfh of 75/25 gas, moderate speed, moderate amps and you can weld just about anything. Stainless is the most forgiving. If you really want to learn the hard stuff grab a TIG and a piece of 1/4" stainless square plate - most metal shops will have tons of scrap. I ran strings and strings of beads in this stuff. The best way I found to start an arc on a TIG without high freq is to extend the tungsten about 1/8" or 1/4" out past the collet, lay the torch in your hand flat to the material about 15 degrees, place the tungsten about 1/32" from the surface of the work and hit your pedal or trigger depending on torch. Hopefully your arc will start, once you have it started, either go with it moving the torch at speed for the amperage or back down your amperage with your foot pedal. If the arc will not start, check your gas coverage - i run a #7 collet with 12 cfh 72/25 argon/co when doing stainless - you MAY need to make contact with the work using the tungsten. Make sure your tungsten is ground to a sharp point, ground down to that point ON AXIS with the length of the rod. If you grind opposite the axis you create a natural tendancy for arc wander due to flat surfaces. Also, when grinding 2% thoriated tungsten, wear a dust mask and do so in a ventilated area!!!! THORIATED TUNGSTEN IS CARCINOGENIC!! If ya don't feel safe using 2% thoriated (the best in my opinion for arc starting) you can get ceriated which isn't so bad for you.

Anyway, regardless of the banter, I have done this before, I do have experience, I don't do EVERYTHING by the book but I do mind cautions given by manufacturers and manuals.

If anyone wants to do aluminum I have about 12 lbs of 5156 fill rod that I don't need any longer, if anyone is interested I can ship ya it for a couple bucks.


There is alot of misinformation in here in regards to welding. Will it work? Yes. Is there a right way? Yes.

Am I gonna speak up? No.

Im done with this tho, I had my fun.

I have my own thread to have fun in now.

Happy welding stainless with dual mix. It works, yep. The rest of the world uses 100% argon or Tri-mix though. :dunno:


:wave bye everyone!

That made me laugh and yeah I know! I'm from chicago. ///J.T.///

DAAA BEEEEARSS.
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9805/28/hartman.snl/farley.jpg

DAAA BEEEEARSS.
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9805/28/hartman.snl/farley.jpg


:confused


Daa who?

:confused


Daa who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68x-HFAXV9M

Now quit being a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68x-HFAXV9M

Now quit being a tool.


:rofl:

wow, this thread has really entertianed me...

I think mybe I should chime in as bieng a extreamly novice welder that just started taking classes at comunity collage,I had never even picked up a welder before. you can teach your self but imo its alot faster and less relearning go to a facility with a teacher that is a real welder(my teacher makes me feel bad cause I'll be like struggling with somthing and he will just breeze over it no problem and have a perfect looking weld) and lots of diffrent machines and stuff to play with I have been able to try like 6 diffrent machines and get as much rod and metal to mess up as I want. I am only doing smaw 60.13 60.10 stick rod I did I bout 100+ surface welds and I just finished doing T joints with plate steel but I am trying to blow through it quickly becasue I dont plan on welding buildings together. I cant wait to start tig, and I think I am going to bring my own 304 stianless pipe and round bar scrap to weld for practice with exhaust materals. its only a 1 year program and I will still have a long way to go to be good but so far it is fun. and I really like zoneing out in my little booth with my helmet on its just me and the bead, kind of a zen thing hehe.

wow, this thread has really entertianed me...

I think mybe I should chime in as bieng a extreamly novice welder that just started taking classes at comunity collage,I had never even picked up a welder before. you can teach your self but imo its alot faster and less relearning go to a facility with a teacher that is a real welder(my teacher makes me feel bad cause I'll be like struggling with somthing and he will just breeze over it no problem and have a perfect looking weld) and lots of diffrent machines and stuff to play with I have been able to try like 6 diffrent machines and get as much rod and metal to mess up as I want. I am only doing smaw 60.13 60.10 stick rod I did I bout 100+ surface welds and I just finished doing T joints with plate steel but I am trying to blow through it quickly becasue I dont plan on welding buildings together. I cant wait to start tig, and I think I am going to bring my own 304 stianless pipe and round bar scrap to weld for practice with exhaust materals. its only a 1 year program and I will still have a long way to go to be good but so far it is fun. and I really like zoneing out in my little booth with my helmet on its just me and the bead, kind of a zen thing hehe.

That's the best part about a course like that. There is a community college up here that offers a semester but you only get so much material. You can get more, but they add like $50 on etc. You lucked out. You'd think gas is the most expensive but realistically the practice plates and fill rod are!