Just curious for those that have left the mainland for HI or other way around...what did you miss most about "home"?

road trips, A TRACK!!!, my ski boat

road trips, A TRACK!!!, my ski boat

where is "home"?

no track is definately a bummer

I was in MD for about 5 months two years ago. When I got there, I missed the HI atmosphere, the food, and most importantly, the weather. I also missed being able to "blend in" as asians are a minority there. When I got back here, I missed the awesome backroad country drives, the feeling of freedom out on the open road, and the fact that you can drive anywhere you damned pleased without running out of road. Oh, and cheaper everything.

As much as I like the mainland and as much as there are way better opportunities there, I know that I'll eventually end up here.

home is Rockford, IL... we have blackhawk farms 2 miles from my house, and Road America 2 hours away... I got my BMW HPDE fix from going with a friend of mine to Road America one weekend, for one of his events, and I haven't been able to stop since..

I'm going home this weekend, and will be at the ALMS race at Road America, hopefully on sunday. LOTS of wakeboarding/barefooting on friends new ski boat, and ROAD TRIPS... going to see blue man group on saturday night in downtown chicago, going to be all sorts of good stuff

Trader Joe's, and a mainland salary.

home is Rockford, IL... we have blackhawk farms 2 miles from my house, and Road America 2 hours away... I got my BMW HPDE fix from going with a friend of mine to Road America one weekend, for one of his events, and I haven't been able to stop since..

I'm going home this weekend, and will be at the ALMS race at Road America, hopefully on sunday. LOTS of wakeboarding/barefooting on friends new ski boat, and ROAD TRIPS... going to see blue man group on saturday night in downtown chicago, going to be all sorts of good stuff

very cool. I think track time (I am easy driving distance to Watkins Glen, Summit Point and Lime Rock and a little longer to VIR and Mid Ohio) and road trips will be what I miss as well. But I will sacrifice them for a whole new life experience and take it from there. :alright

Trader Joe's, and a mainland salary.

no trader joe's on the islands :eek:

where did you live?

no trader joe's on the islands :eek:

where did you live?Nope. :cry Lived/worked for 4 years in the Bay Area, CA.

Nope. Lived/worked for 4 years in the Bay Area, CA.

meh, they are overpriced anyway (great place though :()

meh, they are overpriced anyway (great place though :()
Not compared to here! :mad

Trader Joe's, and a mainland salary.

I heard Trader Joe is comming to Hawaii (Kahala Mall).

BTW, can the engine hoist fit in your van?

Things I hated about hawaii: roads suck, traffic sucks, road trips arent an option, shipping anything is expensive, shooting range range nazi's, gun laws, safety check bs, requires two license plates, relatively few places to "legally" off road, no track anymore, no seasons (ie fall, winter, spring and summer), can only get 92 octane(unless you spend $7.50 a gallon for the 100 octane stuff), no parking or cramped parking, no Chick fil A, no Sonic

Things I liked: great beaches (usually), great hiking, lots of scenic places to see, $2200/mo. housing allowance, $530/mo. COLA

YMMV, flame suit on. :)

Not compared to here! :mad

visions of franchising opportunities are dancing in my head :)

something I thought was strange....everything I read and hear says HI is more expensive than the mainland...and that makes sense as it is in the middle of the ocean. So, for sh!ts and giggles I went to the best buy site, looked up the honolulu circular then looked up my local circular, they were identical :confused

Housing is more expensive (depending what you compare it to, but overall a fair statement), electronics seem to be equal, gas prices are about the same (compared to where I live/work), so what else is higher? I have heard even bad beer is expensive there, food? commodities/utilities?

Things I hated about hawaii: roads suck, traffic sucks, road trips arent an option, shipping anything is expensive, shooting range range nazi's, gun laws, safety check bs, requires two license plates, relatively few places to "legally" off road, no track anymore, no seasons (ie fall, winter, spring and summer), can only get 92 octane(unless you spend $7.50 a gallon for the 100 octane stuff), no parking or cramped parking, no Chick fil A, no Sonic

Things I liked: great beaches (usually), great hiking, lots of scenic places to see, $2200/mo. housing allowance, $530/mo. COLA

YMMV, flame suit on. :)

two questions, what is safety check bs? and how strict are they about using 2 plates?

I heard Trader Joe is comming to Hawaii (Kahala Mall).

BTW, can the engine hoist fit in your van?

there goes my franchising opportunity :(

being able to drive at extremely high rates of speed on deserted country roads, skiing, and mainland grocery stores.

I moved here from 49 sq. mile SF to 550 sq. mile Oahu. most of the time there I never left the City so the compactness of this place (we pretty much all live along the island's edges) doesn't bother me, in fact it's more than I'm used to and it's almost all glorious beach :) but ok things I miss:

family. missing my sister's kids all growing up except for the annual visits (if that).

old friends. they all raising kids too, see above.

lane splitting. a traffic jam just doesn't exist if you can split but for some odd reason you cannot here. I've heard every excuse in the book, weak sauce. no matter, I quit riding. if can't split what the use, like hell I'm going to sit in between cars here or anywhere. finding my freedom elsewhere like in the ocean.

restaurants. we got some good ones here but not the same culinary diversity as SF which is the foodie mecca of the world. not to mention I'd like to eat at my own place but the airfare would kill me. :p heck, I even miss Ikea's manager's special, the Swedish meatballs with lingonberry sauce. their furniture may be crap but the meatballs, yum! and the desserts too. and the chocolates.

CA roadways. Gold Country (omg beautiful touring up in the hills). I was beginning to sport tour on my bike making laps of the entire state. bordering states were w/i reach but I moved away. the planned Superferry may help in my wanderlust? just not on 2 wheels. have not yet begun to use interisland air and this may be the year.


Shipping. you could buy (or sell) big items like furniture and stuff no problem. not so here. so shopping choices limited and almost monopolistic unless you pay through the nose to get that particular chaise lounge over here via boat.

that's the short list. I really don't miss the mainland too much though. I'd certainly miss Hawaii more if had to move and no plans to do that. will travel when can but this is home (again).

Safety check is our mandatory safety inspection. Just a very cursory inspection to make sure your lights, horn and wipers work, no cracks in the windscreen, no illegal tint.

Things I liked: great beaches (usually), great hiking, lots of scenic places to see, $2200/mo. housing allowance, $530/mo. COLA
YMMV, flame suit on. :)
Brian - You suck! ;)

Safety check is our mandatory safety inspection. Just a very cursory inspection to make sure your lights, horn and wipers work, no cracks in the windscreen, no illegal tint.

same one we spoke of in the other thread?

jersey has that too :rolleyes same with two plates, but I have managed to um plead ignorance to that rule ;)

being able to drive at extremely high rates of speed on deserted country roads, skiing, and mainland grocery stores.

what are the grocery stores like there?

other than expensive ;)

I'll take safety/recon check over smog testing any day of the week!!!!!!
jeez I gotta' get this car going.

I heard Trader Joe is comming to Hawaii (Kahala Mall).

BTW, can the engine hoist fit in your van?Really???? They are thinking about coming here? That would be awesome!

Yes it can. There are no back seats (for weight reduction when I have to race):stickoutt , so basically it is a cargo van now.

TJ's is a little overpriced, wait till they get here! but where else can you get wasabi mayo unless make it yourself :) I was right by the Fisherman's Wharf store but moved right before they opened! durrrr.

Really???? They are thinking about coming here? That would be awesome!

Yes it can. There are no back seats (for weight reduction when I have to race):stickoutt , so basically it is a cargo van now.

On the way home tomorrow stop by my house. I'll have the engine on my truck ready to go. That way we just need to unload it at your house. Is the Mrs going to be okay with that?

On the way home tomorrow stop by my house. I'll have the engine on my truck ready to go. That way we just need to unload it at your house. Is the Mrs going to be okay with that?Sounds good. The Mrs. has to be okay with it unless she plans on moving it out of the garage herself.

I did put a matress out in the garage for me to sleep on.....better than out back with the dog. ;)

Trout fishing, road trips and corn fed beef.

Trout streams in a few counties in Wisconsin.

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/water/fhp/fish/regulations/2006/documents/trout06-section14.pdf

TJ's is a little overpriced, wait till they get here! but where else can you get wasabi mayo unless make it yourself :) I was right by the Fisherman's Wharf store but moved right before they opened! durrrr.

hmmm....so if I want to make friends in HI I should bring lots of TJ specialties in my luggage....interesting :devillook

hmmm....so if I want to make friends in HI I should bring lots of TJ specialties in my luggage....interesting :devillook

ooh ooh ooh /horschack a request for paella mix from Spain here :) comes in a white, red and green box!

ooh ooh ooh /horschack a request for paella mix from Spain here :) comes in a white, red and green box!

you have all been really helpful, I will definately see what I can do :)

corn fed beef.You can get good grass fed beef here. http://www.beefhawaii.com/ :cheeburga

You can get good grass fed beef here. http://www.beefhawaii.com/ :cheeburga

Thanks. I'll check it out.

The steaks at Mel's in Wiamanalo are pretty good.

hmmm....so if I want to make friends in HI I should bring lots of TJ specialties in my luggage....interesting :devillook
Not a good idea.

Phil - You go back to SF often enough.

Not a good idea.

Aside from anything perishable I didn't think I'd have a problem bringing stuff over :dunno

Get your pets squared away ASAP!

As for the front plate deal, they normally won't bug you just for shits and giggles (well, unless you're driving in Waikiki), but they definitely will tag you ($50 ticket IIRC...probably more now) if you get pulled over or if you're driving through a roadblock/DUI checkpoint.

dead meat when getting a parking ticket too if the officer is in training (by the book) or just being meticulous. once, I got an expired meter and expired safety ticket just for good measure. this of course opened the proverbial can of worms (oversized tires/wheels, non-stock exhaust, etc. etc. barf)

Sorry, can't say I would miss anything from the mainland since I never lived there. However, for the times I visited the big rock I enjoyed them nice long roads from Vegas to Arizona, as for the scenic looks I've seen better here and I've been to Kansas, Tenn, Florida, Ca. Or. Chicago was pretty nice...well the buildings anyway. Japan was nice, but too crowded and they are too concerned with image and their protocols, now I know why my grandparents moved here!

On another note, I don't think I would have difficulty living anywhere in the mainland once I got used to the snow and cold weather.

I would however, miss the Pickled Mango (mahalo beastie) beaches, sunsets/raise, white sand, friendly people, great food of all ethic groups, peace and quiet at home....these are some of the things I would miss from Hawaii.

As for Safety checks, like Beastie said no biggie. License plate in front and back...my roady has never seen a front plate. My 318 has a Home Depot CAI through the front headlight and no problems. I even parked in front of a cop facing me while he and I pumped gas into our cars. I just gave him the Waas up with the eye brows and it was all cool. I guess if your are law abiding like me, you don't draw attention to your car going down the road.

Rev/Brian - You need to learn to make the best of what you got!
Life's too short to be upset about that many minor things. I'm glad for you that you are now somewhere that suits you much better.

what are the grocery stores like there?

other than expensive ;)

double the price and about half the size of what I used to frequent in Virginia, and this was in a town of about 100k people. Also, salad bars, soup bars, olive bars, real deli counters and gourmet food sections are small if they exist at all. If you see a new product on television, you can count on it not being available for a good while here.

Some sample prices:

lettuce $1.50/pound (not per head)
milk $4.80/half gallon
orange juice $6.39/59 fluid oz
eggs $2-3/dozen
Cherry Garcia frozen yogurt $4.80/pint
Gatorade $8.20/8-20 oz bottles

$4.80 for a half gallon? i get milk for $4 a gallon

$4.80 for a half gallon? i get milk for $4 a gallon

Costco, or maybe the commissary? Go in to Safeway or Foodland and check the prices sometime. Breathtaking!

I only buy cases of soymilk at Costco. side benefit is doesn't require refrigeration until opened and thus is part of my hurricane/tsunami emergency supplies :) but the dang flavored cream for coffee is expensive unless buy powdered. I trip out on Hawaii eggs more expensive than the mainland cartons but I guess economies of scale and all that even with shipping.

speaking of food, get them delicious cherries on sale now while available. yumm. yes produce is more expensive, little things like this become more special. an event almost :p

Get your pets squared away ASAP!

Alice is going next Thurs to start the process and I will do my best to request the timing of the transfer not be sooner than she can enter the island without quarantine :thumbup:

Phil - You go back to SF often enough.

hmm, well I'd rather not have to go :p it's been awhile too. I'd like the kids to come here more often instead! I had fun visiting them last time, love I-280 from SF to SJ - just cruising 90 mph all the way no problem. sometimes I detoured the long way via Highway 9 through the redwoods. hmm, I kinda' miss Santa Cruz beach boardwalk. no such thing here but wonder why not?

On another note, I don't think I would have difficulty living anywhere in the mainland once I got used to the snow and cold weather.


I have tried for more than 20 years and I'm still not used to it. :mad


Rev/Brian - You need to learn to make the best of what you got!
Life's too short to be upset about that many minor things.

very good advice for everyone :)

hmm, well I'd rather not have to go :p it's been awhile too. I'd like the kids to come here more often instead! I had fun visiting them last time, love I-280 from SF to SJ - just cruising 90 mph all the way no problem. sometimes I detoured the long way via Highway 9 through the redwoods. hmm, I kinda' miss Santa Cruz beach boardwalk. no such thing here but wonder why not?

no beach boardwalk? more business opportunity :)

:) it would be a massive partnership/development and with government "assistance" /greasingwheels but why not, they are pushing that elevated rail system through to the tune of $3 billion plus. hell, it could stop at the boardwalk like the disneyland monorail.

imagine if gambling were to be allowed here. omg.

now this is getting scary.

:) it would be a massive partnership/development and with government "assistance" /greasingwheels but why not, they are pushing that elevated rail system through to the tune of $3 billion plus. hell, it could stop at the boardwalk like the disneyland monorail.

imagine if gambling were to be allowed here. omg.

now this is getting scary.

finding a "need" (perceived or real) and filling it is how people become independantly wealthy....now if only I was one of them :lol

You know what I miss? I miss snow.

You know what I miss? I miss snow.

did you live in a snowy area of the mainland? That is one thing I can say with 100% certainty I will NOT miss.

how about this, we can swap. you come live in NJ and I will live in HI and keep your mom company while modding boards and accumulating cars, sound good? ;)

did you live in a snowy area of the mainland? That is one thing I can say with 100% certainty I will NOT miss.

how about this, we can swap. you come live in NJ and I will live in HI and keep your mom company while modding boards and accumulating cars, sound good? ;)
I went to school in Colorado.

I went to school in Colorado.

some of the best skiing in the country, from what I gather. Also supposed to be very beautiful in general good choice :thumbup:

Skiing every Wednesday!

Skiing every Wednesday!

Ideally I can soon say the same thing, except it will involve a wet suit and kite :D

Ideally I can soon say the same thing, except it will involve a wet suit and kite :D
wetsuit? not needed here. if you're a fish, you should hang with bimbum. i think he's at the beach everyday.

wetsuit? not needed here. if you're a fish, you should hang with bimbum. i think he's at the beach everyday.

even better :D

yes, if I could figure out a way to make money going to the beach I would be very wealthy

even better :D

yes, if I could figure out a way to make money going to the beach I would be very wealthy
Hmmmm...I live like 1 mile from one of the best beaches....must think of a way!

Hmmmm...I live like 1 mile from one of the best beaches....must think of a way!

need a tenant? I come complete with M coupe and super cute dog :D although buster might think alice is his after dinner mint :shifty

need a tenant? I come complete with M coupe and super cute dog :D although buster might think alice is his after dinner mint :shifty
Nah...Alice is too small she may get caught in his teeth! :D
Does that mean I get to drive the M coupe too? :alright

Wait a minute....I sold my M roadster because of the lack of space. Sorry no more cars, not even an M coupe :(
However, we might be able to rent out a room once the kids are off to college.

Wait. So the 318is is safely tucked away in the garage?

I live about 4 blocks from the ocean, but have not been to the beach in years. go figure...

our current tenants are moving out soon, but no roof over the tenant parking (yet). Our 3 german shepherds are super friendly...as long as you're not the one knocking on the door :lol

Nah...Alice is too small she may get caught in his teeth! :D

true, certainly couldn't put buster in danger like that :lol

Does that mean I get to drive the M coupe too? :alright

If I had a place to live and a way to make money going to the beach, you bet you can ;)

Wait a minute....I sold my M roadster because of the lack of space. Sorry no more cars, not even an M coupe :(
However, we might be able to rent out a room once the kids are off to college.

responsibility is not your friend :nono

Rev/Brian - You need to learn to make the best of what you got!
Life's too short to be upset about that many minor things. I'm glad for you that you are now somewhere that suits you much better.


Believe you me, I made the best of my time in Hawai'i, and had a good time. I will say, when you come from a free state, to a rights restricted/"state" mandated bs/ state like hawaii, it is a huge adjustment. Stuff like the safety inspection, two plates, ridiculous firearm laws, etc would never fly where I come from. Its not that I get upset at least I try not to. I also noticed that the author of this thread is coming from NJ, a place where the "state" doesnt even trust its citizens to pump their own fuel, hawaii will probably be a breath of fresh air. I gotta stop, my blood pressure it rising....:D

Believe you me, I made the best of my time in Hawai'i, and had a good time. I will say, when you come from a free state, to a rights restricted/"state" mandated bs/ state like hawaii, it is a huge adjustment. Stuff like the safety inspection, two plates, ridiculous firearm laws, etc would never fly where I come from. Its not that I get upset at least I try not to. I also noticed that the author of this thread is coming from NJ, a place where the "state" doesnt even trust its citizens to pump their own fuel, hawaii will probably be a breath of fresh air. I gotta stop, my blood pressure it rising....:D

:lol absolutely true. my guess is you would rather have HI restrictions than NJ ones and truth be told so would I :rolleyes

It's all in what you are used to and I appreciate your input. :)

good thing you responded to that one before anyone else did.
like anywhere else, Hawaii will be what you make of it. from the patience and diplomacy you've shown on these threads - you'll do great here. locals may get defensive when people come over and compare Hawaii to "home", but can't really blame them, right? anyhoo, good luck with your move. btw, "local" is an attitude, so, hmmmm..., how to say...., any.....one.....can..be..um...local? guss what i'm trying to say is
ALOOOOOHA! (or something):)

good thing you responded to that one before anyone else did.
like anywhere else, Hawaii will be what you make of it. from the patience and diplomacy you've shown on these threads - you'll do great here. locals may get defensive when people come over and compare Hawaii to "home", but can't really blame them, right? anyhoo, good luck with your move. btw, "local" is an attitude, so, hmmmm..., how to say...., any.....one.....can..be..um...local? guss what i'm trying to say is
ALOOOOOHA! (or something):)

just like comparing your current romantic interest to an ex, certain things can not be helped ;)

and I agree that anyone can be a local....anywhere. Each of the 50 states (and likely every place in the world) has their own local mentallity. People who grow up there can be foreign and transplants can be local. Attitude is everything :)

http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5301211

just like comparing your current romantic interest to an ex, certain things can not be helped ;)

and I agree that anyone can be a local....anywhere. Each of the 50 states (and likely every place in the world) has their own local mentallity. People who grow up there can be foreign and transplants can be local. Attitude is everything :)
That's what I'm talking about!
Only you can choose your attitude.
One thing I don't like about Hawaii is how the Hawaiians want their land back and to be a Nation on their own....give me a break! If the USA did not take over Hawaii, it would have been Russia, France, Britian, or Japan and the Hawaiians wouldn't have 1/2 the amount of freedom they have now. They just need to learn to live together. They blame the white man for messing things up here, and in a sense that may be true, but the Hawaiians back then didn't help themselves either by letting their own race die off. Hence there are only a hand full of Pure Hawaiians today.
Don't get me wrong, I like Hawaiians as well as Samoans, Tongans, Filippinos, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Blacks and every other race out there. It's not the ethnic group, it's the Attitude that makes people dislike each other.
Okay, I'm done blabbering! :)
Oh, one more thing...Oregon does not trust you to pump your own gas either! But you can change your oil and pour it out on the ground! :confused

That's what I'm talking about!
Only you can choose your attitude.
One thing I don't like about Hawaii is how the Hawaiians want their land back and to be a Nation on their own....give me a break! If the USA did not take over Hawaii, it would have been Russia, France, Britian, or Japan and the Hawaiians wouldn't have 1/2 the amount of freedom they have now. They just need to learn to live together. They blame the white man for messing things up here, and in a sense that may be true, but the Hawaiians back then didn't help themselves either by letting their own race die off. Hence there are only a hand full of Pure Hawaiians today.
Don't get me wrong, I like Hawaiians as well as Samoans, Tongans, Filippinos, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Blacks and every other race out there. It's not the ethnic group, it's the Attitude that makes people dislike each other.
Okay, I'm done blabbering! :)
Oh, one more thing...Oregon does not trust you to pump your own gas either! But you can change your oil and pour it out on the ground! :confused

I'm not sure they are allowed to pour it on the ground :shifty Taking care of the earth is a whole new soapbox for me - as is politics - and certainly not the way I wanted this thread to go, so I won't comment on either further. :D

Where is home, Rev? I apologize, but zip codes and memory are not my specialty.:D

No matter, where you are now? But really.... the lack of a mandatory safety inspection, dual plates and gun laws makes it more comfortable than HI? I'm not trying to aggravate, just curious. Any more thoughts you care to share?

Mahalo.

I will say, when you come from a free state, to a rights restricted/"state" mandated bs/ state like hawaii, it is a huge adjustment. Stuff like the safety inspection, two plates, ridiculous firearm laws, etc would never fly where I come from.

I'm not sure they are allowed to pour it on the ground :shifty Taking care of the earth is a whole new soapbox for me - as is politics - and certainly not the way I wanted this thread to go, so I won't comment on either further. :D
Not that they would allow you to pour it on the ground, but the chances of that happening is great because it's not regulated like pumping your own gas.
Believe me, I'm all for the environment and dealing with HazMat. As HazMat is a priority at all Toyota PDCs.

I agree, let's keep the politics where they belong...OT or Mr. Moderator can give out a TO!

I came from Bothell WA... just 20 mins north of Seattle... It rains alot there but here are a few things I miss-

Good restraunts.
Good shopping centers.
ELITE drug/grocery stores
the ability to go out in nature and not see people.
Being able to swim in crystal clear rivers.
Wearing winter clothing, such as my leather jacket.

@ mz.368viva hawaii....jersey sucks, thats why i'm here, i felt safer when i was in iraq than when i go home to jersey...at least there they wanna kill your for a reason...lol....j/k but anyway you gotta check itout for ourself over here i can only give you personal experiences, so unless your from the ghettos of atlantic city you can't really relate to me...

@ mz.368viva hawaii....jersey sucks, thats why i'm here, i felt safer when i was in iraq than when i go home to jersey...at least there they wanna kill your for a reason...lol....j/k but anyway you gotta check itout for ourself over here i can only give you personal experiences, so unless your from the ghettos of atlantic city you can't really relate to me...

:lol no, no ghettos for me. purely suburbia for my stay here in jersey (morris, essex now monmouth county). I was just looking for opinions and thoughts on what makes home "home" whether it's HI, NJ, WI, Germany....wherever. I have a good feel for what I will and won't miss already just from knowing my reasons for wanting out, was just looking for others thoughts, plus its a different way to get to know ppl...now I know Beastie lived in CO and likes snow :eek:

I also miss being able to afford a house. My condo is all right, but for what this thing is worth I could buy a really nice house on a few acres (in central Virginia), put a new M3 in the garage and still have a bunch of money left over. Can't work on my car in the condo's garage either.

You might want to check out http://www.hicentral.com/

I also miss being able to afford a house. My condo is all right, but for what this thing is worth I could buy a really nice house on a few acres (in central Virginia), put a new M3 in the garage and still have a bunch of money left over. Can't work on my car in the condo's garage either.

You might want to check out http://www.hicentral.com/

thanks for the link :thumbup:

I find it interesting that condos and townhouses go for 1/2 of what single homes do. Here they certainly go for less but not that much less.

Hope you have good friends that let you work on your car in their garage....that is one thing I know will make me :eyecrazy but it goes on my trade off list.

Where is home, Rev? I apologize, but zip codes and memory are not my specialty.:D

No matter, where you are now? But really.... the lack of a mandatory safety inspection, dual plates and gun laws makes it more comfortable than HI? I'm not trying to aggravate, just curious. Any more thoughts you care to share?

Mahalo.


Its so much more than just those things I mentioned, its the whole mentality behind the regulations, rules, laws, etc that irritate me. Folks think more laws will fix whats wrong with society, and that couldnt be further from the truth. Personal responsibility and teaching/disciplining your kids will fix what is wrong with society, not stricter laws. For the record, I am a "legal" resident of florida, but now reside in Virginia, which has the two plate thing, but I am registering my car in FL which is a one plate state. I could talk all night about this stuff so I'll quit now:D

I find it interesting that condos and townhouses go for 1/2 of what single homes do. Here they certainly go for less but not that much less.



probably due to Hawaii land prices more than anything. Cost per square foot for your living area is probably about the same.