Short story but anyhow, I'm on my way to work coming up to an intersection and get to a red light. About a minute later an 05 mustang pulls up music blasting, blipping the throttle etc. So I open the throttle once to let em hear a little german muscle. Anyhow the light turns green and we both take off, going through 1st we're about dead even (mustang's exhaust note is serious!) by the end of 2nd he's at my rear bumper and tryin to catch up. I took it up to about 80 in third and he was still at my bumper maybe a little further back so I shut it down. We slow down and come to the next intersection and the guy looks over and says "I can't f**k with the M3's even the older ones." I told him he probably would have got me on the top end. It was a good run from the dig and the M was impressive. What do you guys think, are the newer GT's quick cars or not? That's the second one I've ran and won both. WTF? :dunno

They both couldn't drive. Guys were cutting 1.8 60 ft times on the stock tires when they first came out.

What mods do you have?

A stock E36 M3 shouldn't be able to beat an 05 Mustang GT ... be it from a dig or roll if it's a competent driver. I've seen guys hit 13.7-.8's and they're the intermediate drivers.

I dunno man, at both times I could hear the GT's flooring it and both races had the same results. The only mods I have are the euro hfm/intake and b&b exhaust. Maybe they didn't know how to drive and I respect mustangs but it seems to coincidental on both runs. When the car was stock it ran low 14's consistently, haven't been able to go since the mods but wouldn't that be a fair race?

its a close race, but the gt should pull away from you

Nice runs, if its a driver thing, thats the way it goes sometimes.

Their top end supposedly is not as great as you think. They have a better chance from a dig to bet you.

And seriously, why would you say they can't drive. Like launching? Reading what he wrote sounds like they both got an even launch. So where's the driver error in that?

Nice driving! The sound from mustang can be intimidating, however the sound from a inline six is pure music!!

Nice run, good job!!!

What do I know about racing apparently nothing. What I do know is that you just smoked a 'stang. Great killl and a nice way to rep the old skool drivers. If it came down to a driver race then forget the cars, everyone in this forum is strictly going to praise you as one of the best drivers in here. Since it's a driver's race and none of them have the skills as you, you apparently are going to be getting props. NICE KILL and what could have been a drivers race, you came out on top as one of the better drivers of the two. ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE.....

I agree. Great kill, M's are some of the fastest cars you can find. My dad beat out '02 Corvettes and E46 M3s on the Autobahn in his E28 M535i. Its not even a true ///M. Of' course a lot of that has to do with driver abilities.. especially on the corvettes. But my dads car has some mad power and still hits top speed at 160 with ease. Its actually a challenge for me in my 95 540. A kill is a kill.

I'm not sure I believe this. The GT had to be auto and stuffed with heavy stereo gear. '05s are damn fast from a dig.....

if you can learn how to launch the m3 it is damn fast as well...just from my experience its kind of a tricky car to launch.

I agree. Great kill, M's are some of the fastest cars you can find. My dad beat out '02 Corvettes and E46 M3s on the Autobahn in his E28 M535i. Its not even a true ///M. Of' course a lot of that has to do with driver abilities.. especially on the corvettes. But my dads car has some mad power and still hits top speed at 160 with ease. Its actually a challenge for me in my 95 540. A kill is a kill.


Dude, M535i's are true ///M's. Its just not an ///M5. Thats the way I see it anyway. I guess we all got our own opinions..

I agree. Great kill, M's are some of the fastest cars you can find. My dad beat out '02 Corvettes and E46 M3s on the Autobahn in his E28 M535i. Its not even a true ///M. Of' course a lot of that has to do with driver abilities.. especially on the corvettes. But my dads car has some mad power and still hits top speed at 160 with ease. Its actually a challenge for me in my 95 540. A kill is a kill.

Haha, what? If I recall correctly, that's the M90 euro-spec straight six, with 218hp, the same one I had in my old car, and it sure as hell wasn't hitting 160mph. 140mph maybe, in new condition, tops.

I'm not sure I believe this. The GT had to be auto and stuffed with heavy stereo gear. '05s are damn fast from a dig.....


True story man, not sure if he had those deficiencies or whatever but it happened (twice). It was surprising to me that's why I asked for input. I don't even "street race" often because like all members on the forum we want to keep our rides in prime or better condition. Not snatching gears, wearing clutches out and so on. But thanks for the props guys....ok ready to be flamed and put in the corner now.

the new mustangs arent very fast... slower than my e36 m3

the new mustangs arent very fast... slower than my e36 m3
lol, you tell yourself whatever you need to, I owned an e36m3.

the new mustangs arent very fast... slower than my e36 m3

Lie.

If I recall correctly, that's the M90 euro-spec straight six, with 218hp, the same one I had in my old car


The M90 engines were only in the E12 M535i, early Euro 635csi, and early Euro 735i (up to 1981). The E28 M535i had the longer stroke M30 Motronic engine.

The mustang should take you. Its a matter of taking off....

You are probably running high 13's with the HFM/ chip, so I could definitely see you taking the Mustang. Good race!

The 06 or "new" mustang GT's are fast. The 05 and prior GT's are not so hot. Also, as for comparing driver ability. The launch is important but after the launch (assuming both parties get a good launch as seems to be the case in this race) all sorts of other factors come into play: How fast does one shift? Does one know how far past the peak power RPM to ride before shifting to ensure optimal acceleration? Does one let up a bit to reduce spin? DSC off? How much gas is in the tank? How much stereo equipment is in the car? Do you have big "blinging" rims that eat away at torque? In short... All sorts of things could account for this outcome. Some have to do with drivers. Some have to do with other situational elements. It isn't fair or probably right to say that the two mustang drivers "couldn't drive," Likewise it is not necessarily true that the M3 driver is a great driver. But he did win these two times. So.. Good for you. Nice kill.

Edit: This is SurfdogCP. I accidentally posted on my friend's name.

Ahh... Much better.

The 06 or "new" mustang GT's are fast. The 05 and prior GT's are not so hot. Also, as for comparing driver ability. The launch is important but after the launch (assuming both parties get a good launch as seems to be the case in this race) all sorts of other factors come into play: How fast does one shift? Does one know how far past the peak power RPM to ride before shifting to ensure optimal acceleration? Does one let up a bit to reduce spin? DSC off? How much gas is in the tank? How much stereo equipment is in the car? Do you have big "blinging" rims that eat away at torque? In short... All sorts of things could account for this outcome. Some have to do with drivers. Some have to do with other situational elements. It isn't fair or probably right to say that the two mustang drivers "couldn't drive," Likewise it is not necessarily true that the M3 driver is a great driver. But he did win these two times. So.. Good for you. Nice kill.

Edit: This is SurfdogCP. I accidentally posted on my friend's name.

very true

The M90 engines were only in the E12 M535i, early Euro 635csi, and early Euro 735i (up to 1981). The E28 M535i had the longer stroke M30 Motronic engine.
Ok, but it still produces the same amount of power, correct? Or less?

The statistics of Mustang GT's sold in automatic are enormous. It's much harder to run into a manual Mustang GT, or Z28, or Corvette, etc... I can see this happening with an automatic, and also, just because someone got a 13.8 doesn't mean everyone will. Very few will be able to launch so perfectly. The mags all release their times with the manual to reflect the best numbers, I imagine the auto is probably somewhere around .5 seconds slower. I say good kill, and if it was an auto, you would have pulled up top. I don't know how the manuals are up top.

the new mustangs arent very fast... slower than my e36 m3
No, a new mustang driven well will run under a 13.5 stock, but with a bad driver, wich you will see more often than not, it will run low 14s.

The statistics of Mustang GT's sold in automatic are enormous. It's much harder to run into a manual Mustang GT, or Z28, or Corvette, etc... I can see this happening with an automatic, and also, just because someone got a 13.8 doesn't mean everyone will. Very few will be able to launch so perfectly. The mags all release their times with the manual to reflect the best numbers, I imagine the auto is probably somewhere around .5 seconds slower. I say good kill, and if it was an auto, you would have pulled up top. I don't know how the manuals are up top.

An auto 05+GT is actually FASTER in the hands of the average driver than the manual. It's not very hard to load the motor against the brake and leave the line. A stick may be quicker (potentially), but much less consistent.

An auto (or manual) '05+ GT is a faster car than an M3. Mod for mod, it's Ford taillights for an E36 M3. I have an E30/S50 with all the bolt-on's minus cams (226/230 rwhp/rwtq) and get pulled on the high-side by bolt-on/reflash Mustangs...No-lift shifting on my part. A bolt-on/reflash '05 Mustang is deep into E46 M3 country.

The statistics of Mustang GT's sold in automatic are enormous. It's much harder to run into a manual Mustang GT, or Z28, or Corvette, etc... I can see this happening with an automatic, and also, just because someone got a 13.8 doesn't mean everyone will. Very few will be able to launch so perfectly. The mags all release their times with the manual to reflect the best numbers, I imagine the auto is probably somewhere around .5 seconds slower. I say good kill, and if it was an auto, you would have pulled up top. I don't know how the manuals are up top.
not always true, almost all cars are faster with manual, but some are faster with auto because they are so much harder to drive with manual.

Ok, but it still produces the same amount of power, correct? Or less?
Same amount of power, but I think better gear ratios. I can attest to the fact that this car still goes 140mph no problem. In its prime it was 160 mph. I haven't taken that fast, probably wont. 140 mph still blows by just about whatever else is out there on the bahn.

I dunno man, at both times I could hear the GT's flooring it and both races had the same results. The only mods I have are the euro hfm/intake and b&b exhaust. Maybe they didn't know how to drive and I respect mustangs but it seems to coincidental on both runs. When the car was stock it ran low 14's consistently, haven't been able to go since the mods but wouldn't that be a fair race?

Do they make the Gt's in auto? That could be why he lost.

not always true, almost all cars are faster with manual, but some are faster with auto because they are so much harder to drive with manual.

True, I should re-phrase that and say the potential of the manual is faster, which is what all the car magazines use to get their stats. If both auto and manual are driven to their potential, I can see the manual new Mustang GT getting like a 13.7, but then wouldn't the full potential of the auto be around .5 seconds slower? I know the autos have come a long way becasue the differences used to be almost a full second. This is all in complete stock mode of course.

Most drivers don't know how to launch off with a stick, but even on hwy pulls, a stick car will pull on the same car in auto. I had an auto 93 SHO (kills me that I didn't have the 5-speed!) and got pulled on by a stick 94 SHO, and my 5-speed Maxima would pull on the autos all on hwy runs.

It has been my experience that the new gt mustangs arent as fast as the 04-05 but maybe since they are older they had more chance of getting mods, but i have an e36 m3 and i rarely lose to mustang gt's no matter what the year. :buttrock

Do they make the Gt's in auto? That could be why he lost.




Most of them are

True, I should re-phrase that and say the potential of the manual is faster, which is what all the car magazines use to get their stats. If both auto and manual are driven to their potential, I can see the manual new Mustang GT getting like a 13.7, but then wouldn't the full potential of the auto be around .5 seconds slower? I know the autos have come a long way becasue the differences used to be almost a full second. This is all in complete stock mode of course.

Most drivers don't know how to launch off with a stick, but even on hwy pulls, a stick car will pull on the same car in auto. I had an auto 93 SHO (kills me that I didn't have the 5-speed!) and got pulled on by a stick 94 SHO, and my 5-speed Maxima would pull on the autos all on hwy runs.
yeah, highway runs are no brainers, you dont have to be good at diving stick. I was just saying, some cars have a average faster time with a auto because they are hard cars to dive, such as the newer z28 and ss cameros.

True, I should re-phrase that and say the potential of the manual is faster, which is what all the car magazines use to get their stats. If both auto and manual are driven to their potential, I can see the manual new Mustang GT getting like a 13.7, but then wouldn't the full potential of the auto be around .5 seconds slower? I know the autos have come a long way becasue the differences used to be almost a full second. This is all in complete stock mode of course.

Most drivers don't know how to launch off with a stick, but even on hwy pulls, a stick car will pull on the same car in auto. I had an auto 93 SHO (kills me that I didn't have the 5-speed!) and got pulled on by a stick 94 SHO, and my 5-speed Maxima would pull on the autos all on hwy runs.
sorry, for some reason it didnt show my post, so i went to repost.

The 05's have a 5 speed auto instead of the old 4 speed, so don't expect to pull away at higher speeds against an auto. The 5 speed keeps the car well into the powerband at all times.