well to make a long story short... i had some good races tonight, killed a cobalt ss, guy didn't understand the concept of 3 honks... and just kept taking off... neddless to say I finally got next to him, he got on it so I got on it and walked him hard.

Then Ran into a marron lotus elise on 30, very cool guy deff had exhaust of some sort, was louder then i was. Well he got on it next to me so, i then hit 4th and started pulling on him, got infront of him then ran into some traffic... :) very cool guy said he races scca and what not...

Also ran a 03 Cobra yes i know what your thinking... i got walked huh. Well not really lol this girl my friend is currently hooking up with took it out. It's her brothers and she could drive fine, she just couldnt shift very fast. SO it would pull on me then she would shift and i would be right next to her door, start pulling again then shift and im next to her pulling some.

It's all on video if no one believes it... ur just going to have to wait for the DVD im sorry....

good kills

cobra and lotus elise= TRASH! GO STEVE!

cobra and lotus elise= TRASH! GO STEVE!

hahah thanks ben and cobras are fast as shit ive been walked by one before.. they run mid high 12s. and well elises... they run 13.0 flatt but only trap like 101 meaning really good low end because there so light... but highway... pshhh u saw the footage lol

a '95 M3 beat a Lotus Elise??

is ur car modded??

a '95 M3 beat a Lotus Elise??

is ur car modded??

no it does 13.6s at 103 stock... :rolleyes yes its modded but not very much... and the elise wasnt much of a race, they only run 13.0 at 101 so meaning the mph is so low most of there speed is down low... because there so light.

a '95 M3 beat a Lotus Elise??

is ur car modded??


hahaha NOOB.....yes his car is modded...sort of a freak for its mods

hahaha NOOB.....yes his car is modded...sort of a freak for its mods

yeah aint that the truth... i cant wait for the S54 tho its going to be awsome :)

nice kills steve:buttrock

nice kills steve:buttrock

thaaanks i didnt really kill the cobra just happend to out drive lol and stayed even

LOL whatever, unless you're FI that Cobra will murder you. Too bad you tried to take a person who can't drive. I bet you really would have been awesome if she moneyshifted the car and went into a ditch. FLASHERS -- OWNED.

:handclap

Nice kills man. It's funny how some people just don't get the three honk thing no matter how simple the concept may seem. Good luck with that S54 too!

Steve did you ever dyno your car when it was stock....any numbers you'd like to share?

well to make a long story short... i had some good raced tonight, killed a cobalt ss, guy didn't understand the concept of 3 honks... and just kept taking off... neddless to say I finally got next to him, he got on it so I got on it and walked him hard.

Then Ran into a marron lotus elise on 30, very cool guy deff had exhaust of some sort, was louder then i was. Well he got on it next to me so, i then hit 4th and started pulling on him, got infront of him then ran into some traffic... :) very cool guy said he races scca and what not...

Also ran a 03 Cobra yes i know what your thinking... i got walked huh. Well not really lol this girl my friend is currently hooking up with took it out. It's her brothers and she could drive fine, she just couldnt shift very fast. SO it would pull on me then she would shift and i would be right next to her door, start pulling again then shift and im next to her pulling some.

It's all on video if no one believes it... ur just going to have to wait for the DVD im sorry....


I'm tired of this "you'll have to wait for the video garbage!" PoST THEM UP YOU SOB :stickoutt

The video will never come. lolI'm tired of this "you'll have to wait for the video garbage!" PoST THEM UP YOU SOB :stickoutt

Do you have some sort of Radar in your car so you don't caught doing all this? It would be a shame if the police got ahold of you while you were racing on the street.

Nice races none the less

thaaanks i didnt really kill the cobra just happend to out drive lol and stayed even

At least you're not an idiot and you admit it! Some people can't accept that.


Also, you're doing an S54 drop?

At least you're not an idiot and you admit it! Some people can't accept that.


Also, you're doing an S54 drop?


yeah this winter, im teaming up with VAC and having them build a 3.4 S54 with cams, maybe pistons exc depending on how much. And andrew ball on this forum, a friend of mine is swaping my motor into his e30. :devillook

no clue as to what your current engine puts down? Or are you just hiding that from us:shifty

no clue as to what your current engine puts down? Or are you just hiding that from us:shifty


sorry lol, im actually not sure it has to be close to 250whp tho

sorry lol, im actually not sure it has to be close to 250whp tho

yeesh ...:eek:

What mods are on her?

yeesh ...:eek:

What mods are on her?

High flow cats, intake, 27lb injectors, dinan midepipes, z3 short shift linkage, full custom cyntex ecu (4 plus hour dyno tune) < thats pretty much it as far as like engine mods go, but it is crazy ive raced people who have the same mods basicly and some with more... and beaten them, like WCM3, lilpa06 who i stay with and he has everything from headers to underdrive pullys, joeyg im pretty much even with he has cams, headers, full exhuast exc... so it really is from my tune. I can watch my fuel go from half full to quater of a tank in a matter of 3 or 4 races.

this p.o.s saab stage 4 had dynoed 250whp http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f24c129b-783d-4e36-b70b-ec7558cf2ac0.htm

High flow cats, intake, 27lb injectors, dinan midepipes, z3 short shift linkage, full custom cyntex ecu (4 plus hour dyno tune) < thats pretty much it as far as like engine mods go, but it is crazy ive raced people who have the same mods basicly and some with more... and beaten them, like WCM3, lilpa06 who i stay with and he has everything from headers to underdrive pullys, joeyg im pretty much even with he has cams, headers, full exhuast exc... so it really is from my tune. I can watch my fuel go from half full to quater of a tank in a matter of 3 or 4 races.

this p.o.s saab stage 4 had dynoed 250whp http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f24c129b-783d-4e36-b70b-ec7558cf2ac0.htm

damn, that saab was a pos.

Good shit Steve, your car is a beast, can't want to see it with a S54 and the E30 with your engine:evil2

High flow cats, intake, 27lb injectors, dinan midepipes, z3 short shift linkage, full custom cyntex ecu (4 plus hour dyno tune) < thats pretty much it as far as like engine mods go, but it is crazy ive raced people who have the same mods basicly and some with more... and beaten them, like WCM3, lilpa06 who i stay with and he has everything from headers to underdrive pullys, joeyg im pretty much even with he has cams, headers, full exhuast exc... so it really is from my tune. I can watch my fuel go from half full to quater of a tank in a matter of 3 or 4 races.

this p.o.s saab stage 4 had dynoed 250whp http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f24c129b-783d-4e36-b70b-ec7558cf2ac0.htm

those goons on street fire were givin you alot of crap, what needed to be edited out? the saab got walked.....

Nice! Good luck, bro!

Looks like a good time!!

The S54 swap will be absolutely nuts, looking forward to that!

those goons on street fire were givin you alot of crap, what needed to be edited out? the saab got walked.....

i know... lol it was some whole big thing there stage 4 saab against a ...well stock pretty much e36 m3 lol there were all exited im like ummm ok... raced him 3 times and beat him everytime... he wanted to go from like 55 to a 100 lol so we raced from a 40 a 50 and a 55 he gets walked each one. I wanted to race him from a stop and leave him in my fuel trail. lol he ricer fly byed me a couple times and thought we were racing lol i was in 5th just crusing lol and then he said i edited that out lol im like ummmm ok.

what was wrong with your car? since its running now i would like to race i recently got a short shifter from mike and feel very confident in my capabilities im coming for you steve. Me and my stock airbox and stock exhaust.

what was wrong with your car? since its running now i would like to race i recently got a short shifter from mike and feel very confident in my capabilities im coming for you steve. Me and my stock airbox and stock exhaust.

hahaha ok lol

can we have a $$ wagger to make it more fun

Id like a practice round last night i dumped the clutch around 3 grand at a stoplight took off didnt chirp second but did about a 2 second burn out threw third and was going 80 in i think under 10 seconds first thought in my mind was i want to race steve

those goons on street fire were givin you alot of crap, what needed to be edited out? the saab got walked.....They are saying he edited the video so each run ended before the saab started to reel him in.

They are saying he edited the video so each run ended before the saab started to reel him in.


yeah which is uder bs considering i was pulling on him constant and was hitting 130 lol the thing was slow

Id like a practice round last night i dumped the clutch around 3 grand at a stoplight took off didnt chirp second but did about a 2 second burn out threw third and was going 80 in i think under 10 seconds first thought in my mind was i want to race steve

ummmm ok :lol

how come i never hear about these races until you post them...... Is it because i have a slow E30?

you laugh now but ill be laughing later.... i think im gonna get a s/c set up i would like to see my car s/c verse ur car 3.4

I want to see steve race one of those austins :)

good stuff

I want to see steve race one of those austins :)

no contest they are about 800lbs and 200hp more than his car...

Many would say the same about steve's car vs some of the things he has beat. Ws6?no contest they are about 800lbs and 200hp more than his car...

Many would say the same about steve's car vs some of the things he has beat. Ws6?
:confused

trust me its no contest

you laugh now but ill be laughing later.... i think im gonna get a s/c set up i would like to see my car s/c verse ur car 3.4

:rolleyes im not going to even waste my time talking with u, u have 3 posts and some fo the dumbest things i have ever heard of.

HAAAAA what is the deal with your car what broke in it?

HAAAAA what is the deal with your car what broke in it?

nothing broke in it....:rolleyes my foot went to far threw the acelerater thats what happend ;)

come on steve im bored at owrk so i made a profile and started to make some posts im makin money so i can start makin good whp

:rolleyes im not going to even waste my time talking with u, u have 3 posts and some fo the dumbest things i have ever heard of.

isnt the s54 still a 3.2L? :confused

isnt the s54 still a 3.2L? :confused

not a bored over 3.4 stroker like i said before

isnt the s54 still a 3.2L? :confused

All I know is a blown s52 would beat an s54.

not a bored over 3.4 stroker like i said before
ah that sounds like sex :stickoutt . You running standalone on that beast?

All I know is a blown s52 would beat an s54.

Thank You. in the words of snoop-a-loop "lets get BLOOOOOWWWWNNN"

ah that sounds like sex :stickoutt . You running standalone on that beast?

eventually its another 2k tho

Get lost. Rap sucks.Thank You. in the words of snoop-a-loop "lets get BLOOOOOWWWWNNN"

eventually its another 2k tho

MOTEC!!!

Get lost. Rap sucks.
go take a nap, maybe your opinion will subside by then and youll find your prick symptoms will cease, but thanks for your input!

your making a fool of yourself powerslut.

yes infront of 4 people... i dont care im bored as shit and just trying to mess with steve

yes infront of 4 people... i dont care im bored as shit and just trying to mess with steve

your still a fool, if you want to race him ask him. Im sure delighted to.

All I know is a blown s52 would beat an s54.

O'Rly? Ok a blown S54 will beat a blown S52. What was the point of that post? :rofl

Nice kills, Bsaint. I would love to do an S54 swap as well, seeing as no one really has it, plus its balls fast. Still trying to decide if i would do it in this car, or just get another E36 and do it to that one.

I race steve all the time he knows me i just made a new name to MESS with him alls i knoiw is that my m and steves m arent that diff in power and its pretty much a drivers race so i say things like im gettting a s/c and then everyone gets all critical

yeah its a tough call, amirani who lives about an hour from me has it done but a bone stock version and hes running high 12s at 115 so cammed version and stand alone :) will deff be one sleeper..

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9199/1000351ly0.jpg

yeah its a tough call, amirani who lives about an hour from me has it done but a bone stock version and hes running high 12s at 115 so cammed version and stand alone :) will deff be one sleeper..

Yeah thats a pretty clean swap. He came out to one of the Edison meets last year. Cammed and all that would be insane. I would be happy with just the engine. He does have an intake and exhaust (custom i would guess) if i remember correctly. Is that all he has, or did he add more?

Yeah thats a pretty clean swap. He came out to one of the Edison meets last year. Cammed and all that would be insane. I would be happy with just the engine. He does have an intake and exhaust (custom i would guess) if i remember correctly. Is that all he has, or did he add more?

naa thats pretty much it, i know he wants to do stand alone, but now hes thinking about selling it... for around 17 i think

heres more of what im doing, but more street-able

http://www.vacmotorsports.com/db/images/vac-race_engine_-_s54.jpg

S54 Race Engine
We have built the S54 for a variety of racing series, including Grand Am and BMW Club Racing. The engine pictured produced 435WHP @ 7980 RPM and produced a peak of 325 Ft/Lb Torque @ 6000 RPM. Torque was at a minimum of 310 Ft/LB from 3800 RPM to 7700 RPM.

Mike WCM3 had an RMS stage II on his E36 M3 and only put down 280whp even the twin screw stage I is only 360 BHP not WHP and Stage II is 418 BHP = to like 380 whp

come on man you cant make an s54 out of spray paint and stickers. just a joke.... just trying to break in this user name- steve its josh by the way.

Bsaint thats bad ass, man i would give my right nut for an s50 let alone a built s54

come on man you cant make an s54 out of spray paint and stickers. just a joke.... just trying to break in this user name- steve its josh by the way.


lol your user name should be MoneyShift... (seeing as your last motor had a piston thrown threw the roof of the motor lol) lol and you have a brand new 3.2 liter in ur car and i recall the race on the way to k.o.p and i started to pull on you pretty good.. :stickoutt 130 thousand miles running strong biatch lol :)

when are we going to do your wheels... btw :) have you done your tails or corners yet.

steve you know me and racing back then i was scared of the beast that is the obd-I s52 and i had about 100 more pounds and i wasnt the best at shifting it was only when we shifted you started to creep i got sad and did a donut not do nut in hooters to redeem my self moneyshift was my old one but thats the past and this is the future POWERSLUT



PLus IM ON THE BOTTLE NOW but youll never see it

When ever you want man i want clears and i finally got money to spend on the car and the girlfriend so im thinking some spray and clear for the wheels and then clear lights and i really need angle eyes, i want mike to go turbo so i can genk his intake and exhaust but he cant do it for a while so i think ill just save for a s/c for real.

steve you know me and racing back then i was scared of the beast that is the obd-I s52 and i had about 100 more pounds and i wasnt the best at shifting it was only when we shifted you started to creep i got sad and did a donut not do nut in hooters to redeem my self moneyshift was my old one but thats the past and this is the future POWERSLUT



PLus IM ON THE BOTTLE NOW but youll never see it


lHahahahah the beast that is the OBDI s52 lol thats great and 100 lbs can only account for about a tenth of a second. what about all the other tenths lol And you did do a donut thats true. lol

and what bottle is this... some captain morgans in your rear seat lol


When ever you want man i want clears and i finally got money to spend on the car and the girlfriend so im thinking some spray and clear for the wheels and then clear lights and i really need angle eyes, i want mike to go turbo so i can genk his intake and exhaust but he cant do it for a while so i think ill just save for a s/c for real.


thats cool, dont go rms like mike. do a twin screw seriously lol guy came out with one to our thursday meets, it was absolutly sick, he kept up with my buddys c5 z06

who knows maybe ill race better with a few in me but i dunno i think are cars are almost even in power like if i was alone i think i could keep it even i have a shortshifter wich will help a lil so well see mike was saying that my car walks his just as hard as your car walks his and convinced me it was a drivers race im still learning but getting better ill let mike race it against you and see what happens

plus a s/c sitting on top of the obd-i s52 like i dont want to sound like an asshole but my car is 100 percent stock and it walks modded obd-I like mikes and obd-II like knezos hard. it would be insane with a blower but thats my goal

truue, but it is a new motor... lol i say invest in some 27# injectors and an intake and your tourqe would be sooo much better.

The SAABs giving him a hard time on Street Fire are just bitter. My Stage 3 Saab that got walked by a 2.5 Z4 was a POOR example of a stage 3. I had poor tuning, and the tuner forgot to adda REV limiter. lol

Apparetnly there was something wrong with the stage 4 SAAB. Something with his BOV, and wasnt running much boost. He dynod the next day at 210 whp and then fooled with his hardware and dynod 240 whp on the next pull

The SAABs giving him a hard time on Street Fire are just bitter. My Stage 3 Saab that got walked by a 2.5 Z4 was a POOR example of a stage 3. I had poor tuning, and the tuner forgot to adda REV limiter. lol

Apparetnly there was something wrong with the stage 4 SAAB. Something with his BOV, and wasnt running much boost. He dynod the next day at 210 whp and then fooled with his hardware and dynod 240 whp on the next pull

saab story.....

saab story.....

+1 excuses... they f'in accused me of spraying... :rolleyes

:finger22

Nice kills. I cant wait until the DVD comes out.

Sounds like you had some nice races... good kill vs the elise

Nice kills. I cant wait until the DVD comes out.

imagine all the stuff we havent told you about that will be in there.

cobra and lotus elise= TRASH!

:confused









good kills

BSaint do you know some guy named keith? Hes a bodybuilder or something now? Just wondering if you know him cause i think i saw an M3 like yours or something that had to do with him. Just wondering though

Sean

your making a fool of yourself powerslut.

Uhh yeah grow up Andrew...

And don't make me separate you 3.2PowerSlut and Bsaint...a bunch of assholes that's what you are ;)

BSaint do you know some guy named keith? Hes a bodybuilder or something now? Just wondering if you know him cause i think i saw an M3 like yours or something that had to do with him. Just wondering though

Sean

yeah he does

A 240hp V6 vs a 180hp I-4 is a good kill?

V6????:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl

A 240hp V6 vs a 180hp I-4 is a good kill?


first of all your an idiot, and its not a 240hp v6 its a 280+hp Inline 6 and second its a 190+ hp 4 cyl that weights 1900lbs which runs 13.00 stock and will do circles around you.. much like I will.

Yo, steve whats up. You should head down my way, you can come check out my buddys e36 m3 with euro 3.2 plus more, let me know. when and where are these meets you go to?>

Gj

Yo, steve whats up. You should head down my way, you can come check out my buddys e36 m3 with euro 3.2 plus more, let me know. when and where are these meets you go to?>


is it red...? cause if it is he was at our meet tonight

no it not red, its blue/black, you should come down. its sweet, you should put it on your video lol. We are putting on my exhaust and track pipe hopefully tomorrow. Hes goal is to beat z06's

but n e ways who was the guy with the red one?

first of all your an idiot, and its not a 240hp v6 its a 280+hp Inline 6 and second its a 190+ hp 4 cyl that weights 1900lbs which runs 13.00 stock and will do circles around you.. much like I will.

I knew a kid with a modded 9-3 turbo, he got spanked by a stock 225 hp auto 5.0 stang:stickoutt

no it not red, its blue/black, you should come down. its sweet, you should put it on your video lol. We are putting on my exhaust and track pipe hopefully tomorrow. He said he should beat z06


is it baby blue with an ugly ass billet grill and wanna be E46 widebody kinda... if so i saw it beeing worked at bimmerworks, and allready filmed some of it. I doubt hes going to beat the z06s around here too.

I knew a kid with a modded 9-3 turbo, he got spanked by a stock 225 hp auto 5.0 stang:stickoutt


yeah my buddy chris saab guy on here has a modded 9-3 high output turbo and had it at stage 3 running 30psi and still got beat by my friends bone stock 2.5i z4 lol sorry chris lol but atleast he knows its not a "fast" hes looking into e39 m5s in the future so hes in the right track. Saabs arnt fast... bottom line lol even the viggens which are like there Ms lol are still lunch for e36 m3s lol Im not going to even get into the gear box lol

ya thats the car, you dont like it?

My sincerest apologies, Stevie. Freudian slip on the V6; I had just written an extensive post about the Holden-sourced V6T on a different forum.

back on topic: You are teh hotness. You would absolutely own me.

off topic: You moved out of your parents' house yet?

you could come get some more footage for your video, idk record the install or something lol

ya thats the car, you dont like it?


the engine is sick... i love the carbon fiber intake plenum must sound sick, but its just not my color... and the front grill looks like he wanted it to look like it had an intercooler... not really my taste.

My sincerest apologies, Stevie. Freudian slip on the V6; I had just written an extensive post about the Holden-sourced V6T on a different forum.

back on topic: You are teh hotness. You would absolutely own me.

off topic: You moved out of your parents' house yet?


im in college i live in an apartment.. I'm paying for college and paid for my car... get something newer then a 1990 yet...?

Hey! College again! Good for you! (hmmmmm....But I thought you were doing the commuter school thing and living at home while you got your grades back up....)

I'm still quite sorry we didn't meet at Carlisle this year. That would have been extremely fun, although I'm sure any footage wouldn't have made it onto your video.

Oh, and I'm sorry....Those were GREAT kills!

i like the car, how did you see the intake lol?

Hey! College again! Good for you! (hmmmmm....But I thought you were doing the commuter school thing and living at home while you got your grades back up....)

I'm still quite sorry we didn't meet at Carlisle this year. That would have been extremely fun, although I'm sure any footage wouldn't have made it onto your video.

Oh, and I'm sorry....Those were GREAT kills!


hahahah yeah im sorry the only saab compittion up there couldnt keep up and i was acussed of using nitrous hahahah go back to your saablink with all your other biased lil friends. All the footage from carlisle will be on my dvd too. All these lil homos talking shit then getting walked. PLeaseeee dont even try get a life.

i like the car, how did you see the intake lol?


the hood was off. I do like his camber plates tho ask him where he got those for me.

nice kills... but i'd just like to point out the hilarious issues i have with the thirteen year old kids on streetfire that don't even have a learners permit
i found these comments side splitting funny...

"a stage four saab would not be that slow, you'd have to be driving a F-1 ca r and the saab driver would have to be still learning how to drive ........ you'd have to be running 6's in the 1/4 mile!!! and i don't thin k you are so i call B.S.!!!!"


sixes in the quarter mile!?!?!?!?! you've gotta be freakin' kidding me...

i will see him tomorrow and will ask, why dont you come down tomorrow, or are you busy?

i wanna see your car.

i will see him tomorrow and will ask, why dont you come down tomorrow, or are you busy?


i have a court apperience at 9 am for a friend of mine, but later in the day i should be open.

hahahah yeah im sorry the only saab compittion up there couldnt keep up and i was acussed of using nitrous hahahah go back to your saablink with all your other biased lil friends. All the footage from carlisle will be on my dvd too. All these lil homos talking shit then getting walked. PLeaseeee dont even try get a life.



Stevie...

Now be nice. Hostility breeds bad energy and bad energy makes the universal life force very sad...

Now, good for you that you admitted that the Cobra was driven by a novice. That was a very stand-up thing to do, Stevie.

But shame, shame, shame for not telling the full story about that Saab in the video. I'm verrrrry disappointed in you.

That's just something you'll have to work on....

alright you should head on down, i dont think he has his car back yet but, give me a call tomorrow 4843664734, my name is chad, i hopefully am going to put on my exhaust and track pipe, if not do you know any1 with a lift so we can do it lol

Stevie...

Now be nice. Hostility breeds bad energy and bad energy makes the universal life force very sad...

Now, good for you that you admitted that the Cobra was driven by a novice. That was a very stand-up thing to do, Stevie.

But shame, shame, shame for not telling the full story about that Saab in the video. I'm verrrrry disappointed in you.

That's just something you'll have to work on....


HAH full story?!?! what full story he got beat 3 out of 3 times... what are you talking about the times he ricer flied by me and thought i was racing hahah tipical. He wanted to race from a 50 -100 and said he didnt want to go above that. I hit 130 still pulling and there was no sign of him EVER catching up STFU lol he lost its slow get over it.

High flow cats, intake, 27lb injectors, dinan midepipes, z3 short shift linkage, full custom cyntex ecu (4 plus hour dyno tune) < thats pretty much it as far as like engine mods go, but it is crazy ive raced people who have the same mods basicly and some with more... and beaten them, like WCM3, lilpa06 who i stay with and he has everything from headers to underdrive pullys, joeyg im pretty much even with he has cams, headers, full exhuast exc... so it really is from my tune. I can watch my fuel go from half full to quater of a tank in a matter of 3 or 4 races.

this p.o.s saab stage 4 had dynoed 250whp http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f24c129b-783d-4e36-b70b-ec7558cf2ac0.htm

Nawrocki! That sounds Polish, sounds like a GOOD NAME TO HAVE!


A 240hp V6 vs a 180hp I-4 is a good kill?

You're joking right?

get something newer then a 1990 yet...?

Don't bash on the old cars, bash on him all you want, not on old cars.

e, shame, shame for not telling the full story about that Saab in the video. I'm verrrrry disappointed in you.

:confused Because he's running 6s in the quarter!

hahahaa i know man lol dude not even kidding there comments are all halarious, they said for the longest time hes going to beat u oh race him, I drove an hour to northern pa to race this p.o.s and beat him on video clear as day, and then more escuses. ohh well u didnt show the whole video you were on nitrous his card was packed hahah his car had 2 people i had 2 people There is no way of edditing a car to loose! I dont have nitrous and if i did it wouldnt even be funny lol and you would still deny it lol. GET OVER IT! SAABS are ECO cars not drag cars stop wasting you f'in money.

HAH full story?!?! what full story he got beat 3 out of 3 times... what are you talking about the times he ricer flied by me and thought i was racing hahah tipical. He wanted to race from a 50 -100 and said he didnt want to go above that. I hit 130 still pulling and there was no sign of him EVER catching up STFU lol he lost its slow get over it.

Stevie...

I thought you were bigger than that. C'mon...several people who actually saw what happened watched you get ahead at like 75 and then brake while he was starting to reduce the lead.

In the video, look at the speed of your car relative to the scenery. It shows you slowing just as he "ricer fly bys" you. According to witnesses, you ended early and called it a win.

The saddest thing is that the person in question was so rattled by this that he dynoed his car afterwards and discovered he was barely at Stage 2 (about 210-215 WHP) He fixed what was wrong and was at 240 WHP again.

Just a shame, Stevie...a real shame.

Stevie...

I thought you were bigger than that. C'mon...several people who actually saw what happened watched you get ahead at like 75 and then brake while he was starting to reduce the lead.

In the video, look at the speed of your car relative to the scenery. It shows you slowing just as he "ricer fly bys" you. According to witnesses, you ended early and called it a win.

The saddest thing is that the person in question was so rattled by this that he dynoed his car afterwards and discovered he was barely at Stage 2 (about 210-215 WHP) He fixed what was wrong and was at 240 WHP again.

Just a shame, Stevie...a real shame.

HAHAH you were not there I was there i was driving my car stfu u can only go on what ur biased lil pecker saab buddys said. I Have it on video, if you honestly think that the way i pulled on him from 50 to 130 there was anyway in hell of him catching up... hahahaha that is what is truley sad.

im bored. meet right now

im bored. meet right now


hahaha if you want...how far are you, i just have to get some sort of sleep i have to be up around 8

im 15 mins from oaks, if that

ya, my girl is here and she will be like FTL. maybe tomorrow, it be sweet to see my ride on a movie thou.

ehhh with bars getting out in about a half hour i'd rather wait till tomm.

you should charge people lol.

ya me too

plus my exhaust and track pipe is in my trunk, and it on 422 would make hella noise.

you should charge people lol.


lol naaa only the $15 for what the DVD will cost, but i do do small like 3 -4 min videos for people if they wish. I used to do it all the time, but havent had time, due to all the filming for the DVD.

plus my exhaust and track pipe is in my trunk, and it on 422 would make hella noise.


true that... and it only takes me about 7 mins to get to k.o.p when it should take about 30 -40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOorYirejK0

ya that would be sweet. do you know anyone with a lift?

im bummed my exhaust ect, was suppose to go on today but the guy got home from work late. im anxious to hear what it sounds like, i searched for an e36 with the sam setup, but i didnt find n e thing.

yeah andrew has a lift at his shop one should be open... were going to throw some spacers on my car tomm so if u want to meet up we can put ur exhaust on too.

would he charge me to do it? where is the shop at?

would he charge me to do it? where is the shop at?


naaa we can just throw your car up and you can do all the work lol im jk we can help and naa as long as one of the lifts are free its fine. But dont take me 100% i'll find out tomm when i talk to andrew.

o ok well give me a call tomorrow and let me know whats up.

o ok well give me a call tomorrow and let me know whats up.

ight sounds good, oh and the shop is in exton off 30 ill let you know exactly tom we can meet up then cruise over.

k sounds good l8r

I Have it on video, if you honestly think that the way i pulled on him from 50 to 130 there was anyway in hell of him catching up... hahahaha that is what is truley sad.

Then show the whole thing. Unedited. Just as the Streetfire folks are calling you out on.

It'll shut up the ones calling you out on Streetfire, the Saab troll in here, and guys like me that found your editing VERY selective.

*chicken clucking*

and beaten them, like WCM3

Yeah don't tell them about when I beat you walking away with 2 other guys in my car :D . Also, my car has exhaust and intake now. No larger injectors, midpipe, yada yada.

Mike WCM3 had an RMS stage II on his E36 M3 and only put down 280whp even the twin screw stage I is only 360 BHP not WHP and Stage II is 418 BHP = to like 380 whp

Dude, we talked about this today. Most of those twin screw figures are taken off of a dynojet, which read a higher rating then the cyntex dyno that 280rwhp came from. Which means if I was on a dynojet it would be along the lines of 330 Rear Wheel hp compared to the twinscrew stage 1 360 Brake Horse Power. Call Paul if you have any questions, or just talk to Holt about how his turbo car dynoed :). Or pay 8 or 9 grand for the stage 2 twin screw and make 50rwhp more. You don't make sense and all you talk is bullshit. Tell the story right or don't tell it at all. Seriously. You're making yourself look like an ass.

guys like me that found your editing VERY selective.
Extremely True!

yeah mike i posted that before i talked to you about what you put down and what dyno it was. And the full version will be in the dvd, like i said, there is nothing else to add tho so i dont know what people are expecting... And how is the fact of saying you beat me when you were supercharged relavent to anything besides boosting your confidence... lol you had a stage II supercharger you better have beaten me otherwise i would have been a lil upset for you. ohhh mikey :shifty

and you also failed to mention you got a car or more jump on me you evil lil basterd lol

yeah steve i agree post the whole unedited video to shut up these asshats once and for all. Dont contaminate our DVD with saabs

also give me a call today, i have to clean the garage up and such. Maybe we can take out the healey or something as well.


also why do the saab guys expect us to take them seriously i mean look.

http://www.hotfirestudios.com/pictures/please.jpg

ECOPOWER FTL!!!!

hahah ai was waiting for that lol, ok i have to go but ill give u a call when im done..

Oh and even the guy a beat in the saab when we got back he even said I beat him, i shook his hand, he wasnt to happy but if he honestly thought that there was anyway in hell that he was catching me 8 -9 cars back at 130 he would have asked to do it again or something else, but nope. Also he got his race of racing from a 50+mph roll truth they are better from a roll I am better from a stop, i never got my race from a stop. :nono

Hey Balls, not sure of the point of a picture of a dirty engine. Perhaps it's a statement that grime kills output? But you'd need serious FI or a few more cylinders to even think about matching numbers or real-world performance.

OK....I know, I know, you'd just kill in the twisties. And if every highway was interrupted by orange auto-x cones every 50 yards, you'd be awesome.

And Stevie....

It looks like your shit-talking is legendary on several different forums.

Remember: think positively, Steve-O.

And post the unedited video, which is something you were asked to do MONTHS ago, but then slunk back into the swamps.

steve's car is Fn fast...unfortunately...as of now...i havnt gotten to truely go at steve with more then a couple hundred feet or legit timing...but ill bet my car isnt that much faster then his at all...


I know we did a "run" where i was around 3k in 4th and it sounded like steve was way higher in 3rd...and we stayed even untill steve shifted to 4th(and i was still only at around 5700) where steve kept his lead foot pressed against the pedal and my weak foot lifted off to avoid immanent fusion with the car in front of me...

Dude...we DEF need a Cecil Run...i really want to see the outcome!!!

steve's car is Fn fast...unfortunately...as of now...i havnt gotten to truely go at steve with more then a couple hundred feet or legit timing...but ill bet my car isnt that much faster then his at all...


I know we did a "run" where i was around 3k in 4th and it sounded like steve was way higher in 3rd...and we stayed even untill steve shifted to 4th(and i was still only at around 5700) where steve kept his lead foot pressed against the pedal and my weak foot lifted off to avoid immanent fusion with the car in front of me...

Dude...we DEF need a Cecil Run...i really want to see the outcome!!!

Dem be friendly fightin' words!

I want to see this DVD steve. Make a west chester meet for the "premier."

Oh, and let me know when the sand has cleared.

Saab's are turds- my 2 cents

Saab's are turds- my 2 cents


its not your own .02 cents its a fact, and people like mike saunders like to polish them.

Dem be friendly fightin' words!

I want to see this DVD steve. Make a west chester meet for the "premier."

Oh, and let me know when the sand has cleared.

hahah joey lol I'm sand free even tho i was at the beach yesturday, i cant speak for everyons vag tho lol

yeah its a tough call, amirani who lives about an hour from me has it done but a bone stock version and hes running high 12s at 115 so cammed version and stand alone :) will deff be one sleeper..

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9199/1000351ly0.jpg

pure hotness:buttrock

sigh.

Steve, I deeply and humbly apologize. I'm sorry for ever disparaging you, your mad driving skillz, your attitude or your spelling and grammar. I should have been nicer to you.

I apologize for ever saying the best thing to do with your DVD would be to shit on it and send it back to you as an appetizer tray. That was uncalled for.

If I could, I'd take back the comments that strongly imply that the edited version of that video would show a different story. I'm deeply sorry that I pointed out one of the several inconsistencies in your posts here and in other places.

In a perfect world, we'd all just get along. For the record...I didn't rejoin BFC to slag you. I joined to pay respect in the New England sightings board about an E36 M3 who was the model of a classy Bimmer driver. I said then and now that he was an ambassador for the brand. (You....not so much. But you're still young, so there's time to change.)

is that why you made some retarded thread on saab forum...? because that was very mature. :rolleyes

:eatpop: :eatpop: :drink3

yeah i kinda figured it was more factual than not, but i want to see the whole vid to see what everyone is crying about-and one last thing, i know everyone has there own opinion and maybe some one can enlighten me but why put money into a saab if there not gonna yeild good power i just want to understand:help they are turds and we all know you cant polish a turd :nono

yeah i kinda figured it was more factual than not, but i want to see the whole vid to see what everyone is crying about-and one last thing, i know everyone has there own opinion and maybe some one can enlighten me but why put money into a saab if there not gonna yeild good power i just want to understand:help they are turds and we all know you cant polish a turd :nono


thats not true lol

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/8153/sadaddhs2.jpg

straight baller... and you gotto love dem 3 spokes :help

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4040/dsc0196bo7.jpg

and you thought bmw drivers were cocky lol atleast we can back it up lol. That car prolly does 16's lol

yeah its a tough call, amirani who lives about an hour from me has it done but a bone stock version and hes running high 12s at 115 so cammed version and stand alone :) will deff be one sleeper..


I'm not really conversant with S54 swaps, it definitely sounds intriguing. I wonder if the S54 will fit in an E30 though... hmm...

But I do have a question - 115mph is some 10mph faster than a stock E46 M3 with the same (stock?) engine and only some 300lbs heavier. 10mph is a huge difference - what do you think accounts for it?

and shits some mad oil...




and if by eating BMWs he means, terrorizing 318s then have at it hoss...

Hey, I'd have a Saab turbo if the transmissions weren't pieces of crap that can't hold up to shifting quickly...and I'd be getting better MPG for sure than in the Caddy.

The very beginning of the video is the run I think everyone's complaining about. Where the Saab goes flying by at about 50+ MPH above Bsaint's speed, and you can tell he's just coasting, while the Saab is racing. I don't know if that made any grammatical sense, but w/e.

Mike Sanders, quit whining in a superior tone, it's really annoying.

I'm not really conversant with S54 swaps, it definitely sounds intriguing. I wonder if the S54 will fit in an E30 though... hmm...

But I do have a question - 115mph is some 10mph faster than a stock E46 M3 with the same (stock?) engine and only some 300lbs heavier. 10mph is a huge difference - what do you think accounts for it?

diff rear, gears and the fact that the car is lighter, i have seen stock E46 m3s do 12.7 with just drag radials. So to make such a high mph either he was spining a lot and couldnt hook. If he hooked prolly would have been a better 1/4 mile but slower trap speed. Much like my friends srt-4 who has 400whp and only did low 13s but at 120.

Hey, I'd have a Saab turbo if the transmissions weren't pieces of crap that can't hold up to shifting quickly...and I'd be getting better MPG for sure than in the Caddy.

The very beginning of the video is the run I think everyone's complaining about. Where the Saab goes flying by at about 50+ MPH above Bsaint's speed, and you can tell he's just coasting, while the Saab is racing. I don't know if that made any grammatical sense, but w/e.

Mike Sanders, quit whining in a superior tone, it's really annoying.

thank you, hahah I drove my buddy chris's and the trany is god awful, its a fun car but not the same feel. I let him drive mine, and he had a ball. Thats pretty much what there crying about they think when he was passing me or w.e that i was actually on it lol when the only times i got on it were when we honked and ran... so i dunno what they expect to see. Playing around on the highway is one thing but getting side by side and leaving is another, and you see what happens.

Wow that saabs ready to take on bmw and audi? Because those two are deff piss poor german auto makers:confused . If i was going to buy an old ugly turbo car it would be an audi Ur s4 or S6, with a few mods those cars rip.

Wow that saabs ready to take on bmw and audi? Because those two are deff piss poor german auto makers:confused . If i was going to buy an old ugly turbo car it would be an audi Ur s4 or S6, with a few mods those cars rip.


but they have eco power...!

but they have eco power...!

:eek: :eek: oh noes

If i was going to buy an old ugly turbo car it would be an audi Ur s4 or S6, with a few mods those cars rip.

Google the words "dahlback audi" and try finding some of the videos flying around. They should contain crazy demos from a mid-80s black Audi Quattro Sport modified by Dahlback to over 900HP... :eek:

If I had the $$$, that's what I would get to terrorize my neighborhood...

Google the words "dahlback audi" and try finding some of the videos flying around. They should contain crazy demos from a mid-80s black Audi Quattro Sport modified by Dahlback to over 900HP... :eek:

If I had the $$$, that's what I would get to terrorize my neighborhood...

Ive been watching those videos since i was 14, :D

:eek: :eek: oh noes


lol thats what i say lol :redspot

I believe it is only certain years have eco power because I have a 1999 9-3 and my engine doesn't. You seem caught up on ecopower. Did they car you raced have that engine or something?

thats not true lol

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/8153/sadaddhs2.jpg

straight baller... and you gotto love dem 3 spokes :help

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4040/dsc0196bo7.jpg

and you thought bmw drivers were cocky lol atleast we can back it up lol. That car prolly does 16's lol


:lol I stand corrected you can polish a turd and saab owners do it well! steve those pics ruined my day i just puked in my mouth and im all out of mints

hahah how do u think i felt i had to drive up there just to be surrounded by a hole lot of eco power and 3 spokes... But i did it more for my friend chris.

ecopower- sounds like a vtec knock off, "hey man my car is a turd until ECOPOWER kicks in, duh danuh.

ecopower- sounds like a vtec knock off, "hey man my car is a turd until ECOPOWER kicks in, duh danuh.


lol josh lol i lent barbado Mischief Dynasty and Boiler room to watch them. He said he wants to spoon with you and watch them lol

i know he does he always wants to but im going to tom petty tonite so i will not be able to attend his plutonic spooning session, im bringing the whip down and im gonna do donits in the parking lot trying to do a rough sketch of petties face with my trails of rubber:buttrock

i know he does he always wants to but im going to tom petty tonite so i will not be able to attend his plutonic spooning session, im bringing the whip down and im gonna do donits in the parking lot trying to do a rough sketch of petties face with my trails of rubber:buttrock


hahaha noo save the tread for on camera donuts... lol

yeah i kinda figured it was more factual than not, but i want to see the whole vid to see what everyone is crying about-and one last thing, i know everyone has there own opinion and maybe some one can enlighten me but why put money into a saab if there not gonna yeild good power i just want to understand:help they are turds and we all know you cant polish a turd :nono

A fair question.

What constitutes "good power?"

Say 250 whp/300 wtq? 3" inch downpipe and simple ECU reflash for a 2.3L Viggen; downpipe, intake and turbo upgrade to a 15T for a 2.0L 9-3 or 900.

Want 300 whp/350 wtq? Turbo upgrade to an 18T or GT28 and matching programming and injectors.

Going for 350-400 whp/450 wtq? GT3071R, programming, injectors, Bosch racing fuel pump. Forged pistons for the 99 and newer models. Stock internals in the 94-98 engines are robust to about 450 whp, but some people have gone to 500 whp. (I put in a GT30 earlier this spring. I'll be on the dyno next week.)

Want 500 whp? GT40, larger intake, tube header, external wastegate, programming, injectors, forged pistons.

Hope that was enlightening.

Not all Saabs are ecotecs...

Last I checked the 2.3L 9000 Aero motors arent
Viggen motors arent
900 Turbo motors...Nope

Oh yea, Stevie, don't say I'm a biased lil Saaber, FYI, I also own a BMW (biggest POS I've ever owned, by the way, compared to a 900 Turbo with over 200k miles, 177k+ Volvo 740, 350CID 87 Cutlass Supreme coupe)
I have a 1983 533i, 3.2L I6, 5-Speed
My friend has a 1988 635CSi, another owner proclaimed POS, looks great but theres always a new problem with it, and with my experiences, I find electrical gremlins arent found so much in Saabs and VWs, but more so in BMWs. I'm not bashing BMW, just giving you my experiences, and I've worked with some unique cars before.

And the only reason I'm on saablink is to BS with everyone. Why? I never really had any major problems with my car so there isnt any real reason for me to be on there. I've posted for a few things in the past but nothing major.

And one more thing, I wanted to sell the BMW, and I posted about it and people on saablink were saying I should keep it! So not everyone from saablink its anti BMW, just anti arrogant BMW driver, just like yourself.

I cant believe we are arguing about saabs...every stock saab ive EVER driven has felt like crap compared to the same "class" bmw...


Im sorry, but FWD and IMHO generally hideous (oder models in particular) looks dont compete with the rest of the performance market...

You can bicker as much as you want and go back to your other forum and grip about how your cars are better then ours...I, and im sure many other people on this forum just dont care!


And just to be that ass...we WILL take you in the twisties, and we WILL get the girls...GET OVER IT!

And just to be that ass...we WILL take you in the twisties, and we WILL get the girls...GET OVER IT!

The girls you guys tend to get are whorebags who have holes bigger than your intakes (and inflated egos)

I cant believe we are arguing about saabs...every stock saab ive EVER driven has felt like crap compared to the same "class" bmw...
Stock. A sensible qualifier to bolster your argument.

But, in fact...you're right. I think the E36 M3s are absolutely fantastic cars (I think I posted elsewhere on this site that they handle like "angels on ice skates.") Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their ass. Period.

There's no quibble about the cars, only some of the drivers.


Im sorry, but FWD and IMHO generally hideous (oder models in particular) looks dont compete with the rest of the performance market...

Looks are subjective. Some people hate the Bangled E46s, other people love them.

Front wheel drive is a compromise between performance and overall everyday handling. For years, FWD has been a staple of Saabs because most were sold where the need for good snow and ice performance was critical. They SHOULD have had AWD years ago, but won't until 2008.

The balance factors that make a RWD car handle so crisply on dry pavement seriously increase the pucker factor when things get messy. There's no getting around that, it's just physics. Yes, ABS and traction control help somewhat, but oversteer is just inherently less safe in sloppy conditions.

You can bicker as much as you want and go back to your other forum and grip about how your cars are better then ours...

Again...the Ms are fantastic cars. There's no argument about that.

And just to be that ass...we WILL take you in the twisties, and we WILL get the girls...GET OVER IT!

A couple of weeks ago I was playing with an E36 M3 driver who I later learned was just coming back from an auto-x event. This was a race-prepped car. He hugged my rear bumper through a tight S-shaped exit ramp and I was at maybe 70 percent. His car wasn't even breathing heavy. Flat as a pancake. I tapped the brakes to weight shift just after apexing, which negates much of the understeer, and let the car power out of the turn. He was several car lengths back very quickly.

The road will straighten sometime my friend.

and re: girls.... I'm happily married, so I don't really need a car to compensate for any shortcomings, physical or mental.

Drive safely.

1. I am honestly (no joke) impressed with your(EDIT:mike saunders) retort in which you never personally bashed me...much...i honestly appreciate that and will keep this in mind!





2. As for handling, howabout you let me follow you in the twisties eh? Most guys in BMWs dont have any sort of training and an experienced driver in a civic will lap an inexperienced driver in a 325i or whatnot...
But i can 90% guarrentee that with a competant driver and a crisp BMW will take with little to no problem a SIMILARLY modded/stock saab.

3. Also, while yes Bangle did over-see the e46 project, it is the e90 that he has been blamed for the styling...(even though Adrian Van Hooydonk is to blame for the actual design.). The e46 has not yeilded much criticism on its classy, classic styling.


To Saabatage! (Read Ignorant Biatch)- is that all you can think of...nothing car related? And your saying you would rather have some green hippy thanking you to heaven for ECOTEC and how you must become a part of her hippy LSD dreams?

LOL whatever, unless you're FI that Cobra will murder you. Too bad you tried to take a person who can't drive. I bet you really would have been awesome if she moneyshifted the car and went into a ditch. FLASHERS -- OWNED.

:handclap
I don't think you can moneyshift a mustang.

SAAB=teh sux

SAAB=teh sux

true that im not even responding to there posts lol its not worth my time. This "Mike Saunders" is on a forum arguing with teen agers and 20 year olds and is acting more imature then the average honda-tech. And in fact hes some 40 year old man sitting on his computer getting jollies out... its truley sad.

Hey Balls, not sure of the point of a picture of a dirty engine. Perhaps it's a statement that grime kills output? But you'd need serious FI or a few more cylinders to even think about matching numbers or real-world performance.

OK....I know, I know, you'd just kill in the twisties. And if every highway was interrupted by orange auto-x cones every 50 yards, you'd be awesome.

And Stevie....

It looks like your shit-talking is legendary on several different forums.

Remember: think positively, Steve-O.

And post the unedited video, which is something you were asked to do MONTHS ago, but then slunk back into the swamps.


can you please explain real-world performance as opposed to the fake-world performance....


and i was out there when steve raced him and i honestly dont care who wins, infact id prefer to see steve loose for once just to change it up. and although that thing was fast its not as fast as you guys are making it out to be. you saab guys think your being resonable and your not, but im not one to say anything about that because so far were no better slumping to the same level and bickering about each others cars.

I personally prefer a well balanced car that handles well and has decent power. I enjoy a good road course so thats what my cars are built to do. which is why i like my car its has a styling i like, its nice in and out and it make decent power and handles very well. your saab might have alot more power than mine and i dont care if it has 200hp more than my car. I gurantee you i can lap it on a road course, except maybe watkins glen which is just a series of straights... But my car is good at what it was designed to do and im sure your car is good at whatever it was designed to do. I just would rather have a slower car thats happened to be very nice inside and out than have a really fast rat. Ive been in Saabs thier interior is better than most but its far from BMW quality.

now we can all get along and unfortunately theres only one way to stop and thats to not give steve and fuel, he might seem like an ass on the here and im sure i do to. But as i have found with about 100% of the people on forums they are cooler in person.

To Saabatage! (Read Ignorant Biatch)- is that all you can think of...nothing car related? And your saying you would rather have some green hippy thanking you to heaven for ECOTEC and how you must become a part of her hippy LSD dreams?


You totally missed my first post, not all Saabs have ecotecs, if I had the ability to post pictures, I'd post pictures of several Saab motors, including 2 of mine, that dont say "Ecotec"

And you also missed me saying how BMWs, mechanically, are bombs. I've dealt with FIATs that are more mechanically sound that BMW. Between my 533i, my friends 635CSi, and my other friends 1993 5-series. M3s are not on the same level as Saab, if I remember correctly, the SCCA lists M3s alongside Corvettes and similar cars. And everyone and their mother has an M3, at least where I live, I can count at least 5 a day, and that is not counting people I know with M3s. I told you I dont hold anything against BMWs, I have one, but my experiences with them are not limited to my own but other BMWs I have dealt with. I will never buy another BMW again.

Saabs may not be the fastest car on the planet, but they are incredibly versatile, they can be sporty when you need them too, theyre good on gas, cheaper on insurance, and are somewhat of a sleeper. Face it, if a BMW and Saab are speeding down the highway, the cops most likely is going to break the bimmer drivers balls. I remember seeing an episode of Top Gear where they stated that Saab outsells BMW, Mercedes and Audi in the convertible market, and has a customer loyalty second only to Mercedes, so Saab must be doing something right.

This is SAAD

This is SAAD


I know lol :help

anyone wants they can buy my 533i, I need to make the room to buy a Turbo Convertible ;)

if your basing your reliability storys for BMWs on an E28 5 series and an E34 5 series i can completely understand your position. you can ask just about anyone here those cars are noturious for being unreliable. Of course there are some that work fine but they all need little things constantly.

and if you wanted a true sportscar you might appreciate the BMW more, your comparing a car that wasnt designed to be anything but a sports car to a car that has 4 doors and a trunk large enough to throw a 3.6L flat six in it. They simply dont compare. an M3 doesnt meet your needs and therefore you dont like them. If you wanted a car that was quick everywhere, then you might appreciate an M3. I can tell you this of all the times ive been to a racetrack i have never seen a Saab.

^^^werd








and SAABatage!...you missed the point of that statement...it was just a insult...nothing else...not researched...just said....

that being said...trade your 5 series in for a e36 3 series and change your whole view about BMW...

I can tell you this of all the times ive been to a racetrack i have never seen a Saab.

yeahh i dont see any saabs in this picture either... :dunno

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8270/best20handling20carcq3.jpg

ya...i dont see no stinkin saabs

i liked the comment about the gt40 and 500 hp, give me a gt40 and ill make 500 hp with my 325........

crap.... just tried to post a long response & it will not allow me to post pics thus it deleted my response..... crap :(

I must say.... it's really sad! BMW site bashing saab's & a saab site bashing certain BMW people. We all enjoy cars & own what we do because we like it.... grow up :)

with saab vs real world to me it's being able to haul a couch, 50 in TV, clothes drier or numerous other large items & not needing to borrow someone truck or have it delivered. Then there is the ability to go in crappy weather like snow covered roads. Finally you have safety.... crash safety etc

As we know the bad is it's FWD & can understeer & also the fact that the NG900/9-3 probably has about half the chassis strength as a E36 .... flexy.... fortunantly there are things we can do but it's still a PITA!

with saabs not at racetracks I do agree, very rare are they there. I attend a track in Indy & I am almost always the only saab there & if there is anotherone it's a friend! However they can do quite well there & I bring my viggen or my SPG (saabs version of a E30M3). For the last several years I have been going with the local BMW club & beleive it or not we actually get along very well! There is not name calling & my car is faster/better then yours ets.... just a fun time!! I know most if not all of you feel saab's/viggens are slow however I know mine performs quite well. LAst summer in my group I was quicker than a STi, EV08, E30M3, E46M3 & the list goes on. From around 70mph+ I would pull the STi/EVO8's & the E46 migh of pulled 3-5ft from 50-120mph which I do not feel is bad considering the E46 has what, 100 HP more then I do!

Last year when I was quicker then those cars my instructor was laughing a lot of the time. I forgot to add a 993 c2 to that list & as we caught up to him & passed him my instructor told me. "technically you have the worst handling car out here today...... FWD, high CG, etc.... & I would be SO PISSED if I had the 993 & had a family sedan pass me"..... I could only laugh & agree especially since I was in a saab :)

With someone challenging a saab to a track & guaranteeing that he would lap us I would be willing to bet money that you would not lap me. I bet even passing me would be difficult..... I am not stating I am the fastest or best but honestly there hasnn't been a E36 that has been any kind of a challenge. The E46's are a different story, with a great driver they are tough to hang with.... actually about impossible for my viggen to hang with however my new spring/shocks should make it a little closer.

crap.... just tried to post a long response & it will not allow me to post pics thus it deleted my response..... crap :(

I must say.... it's really sad! BMW site bashing saab's & a saab site bashing certain BMW people. We all enjoy cars & own what we do because we like it.... grow up :)

with saab vs real world to me it's being able to haul a couch, 50 in TV, clothes drier or numerous other large items & not needing to borrow someone truck or have it delivered. Then there is the ability to go in crappy weather like snow covered roads. Finally you have safety.... crash safety etc

As we know the bad is it's FWD & can understeer & also the fact that the NG900/9-3 probably has about half the chassis strength as a E36 .... flexy.... fortunantly there are things we can do but it's still a PITA!


with saabs not at racetracks I do agree, very rare are they there. I attend a track in Indy & I am almost always the only saab there & if there is anotherone it's a friend! However they can do quite well there & I bring my viggen or my SPG (saabs version of a E30M3). For the last several years I have been going with the local BMW club & beleive it or not we actually get along very well! There is not name calling & my car is faster/better then yours ets.... just a fun time!! I know most if not all of you feel saab's/viggens are slow however I know mine performs quite well. LAst summer in my group I was quicker than a STi, EV08, E30M3, E46M3 & the list goes on. From around 70mph+ I would pull the STi/EVO8's & the E46 migh of pulled 3-5ft from 50-120mph which I do not feel is bad considering the E46 has what, 100 HP more then I do!


means nothing on a track, its all driver. Unless your on a amatuer/pro level you wont see car performance really determining the outcome of a race.

It's shows how slow some people can be & how others are more comfortable to push their car closer to the limit :) At the amatuer/drivers school level you are correct however when I am behind a E36 with a rollcage & I get a waive by I figure I must be doing something right. I am sure you totally disagree.... but O well :)


O yea.... FWIW my brothers neighbor is a factory BMW racer.... he actually gets payed to race.... something I will never understand!!!! The last 2 years he was a champ car test driver!

I posted a pic on my public profile

E36 being passed by yours truely

but all of you are right... they are slow

O yea.... FWIW my brothers neighbor is a factory BMW racer.... he actually gets payed to race.... something I will never understand!!!! The last 2 years he was a champ car test driver!

whats his name, and what does this have to do with your saab story? BMW doesnt have a factory team except BMW.Sauber everything else is through Milner, or PTG. BimmerWorld i think had factory support with thier E90 and Turner im not sure of. But BMW has no relation to champ car.

and just because u passed someone at a drivers school means nothing, you might be doing well but its also possible hes just so incredibly awful and your just not as awful. Im not trying to insult you just saying that you cant compare vehiclel performance or driver performance in an enviroment where niether might truely know what they are doing. The isntructors arent much better. There are alot of them that know how to go fast they just cant do it themselves. Also passing people in a drivers school is only to let a faster car by. its not for compeitition and if your taking it as competition then you should reevaluate the reason you are there. Your there to learn how to drive,

I know for a fact that i could pass you on a track with my street car. which has no silly turbos or extra doors. and that is simply because i have far more experience than you do. even though my car would have about 80hp less than yours.

crap.... I cannot remember his name. He gets flown all over the place & I think is in the ALMS series weekend or one of those, I honestly cannot rmember because I only met him once. He gave us tickets to Mid-Ohio to watch his race & told me he will let me drive his shifter kart, never done that before :( What it has to with this..... nothing really.... just thought it was kinda cool!

Obviously it's a DRIVERS SCHOOL & I have beater vipers, ferarri's etc however I have also been passed by a rabbit, civic & a TON of other cars. My point was simply for some of the morons on this site who are bashing a car which they really know nothing about & feel they are slow & completely worthless. There will always be someone faster but stating a car make is junk becuase the interior isn't as good as a BMW or because it was beat by a z4 or because a E36M3 beat a base 9-3 stage4 is just stupid! It's a drivers school & I do not car who I pass or who passes me, I just want to improve my laptimes & also turn consistant laps which I have been doing. Last summer I turned 10 laps in a row .2 seconds apart which I do not feel is to bad.

where do you drive at? or would you be willing to come to putnampark.com? it's just west of Indy. I will be there the end of september with the wheelsoure school & hopefully I will not explode my trans this time! I will bring my 88 SPG which is rated at 165HP however I tweeked it a little. My SPG is also a street car & I would love for you to come out & play because I know for a fact that even though I have less experience that you will not be a match for my little old FWD, turbo powered (pretty funny you say they are stupid) with 1 extra door saab.

& anotherthing....so since the new 330 has turbo's on it it's a silly little car? Or are turbo's suddenly the thing to have since BMW uses them now? & since turbo's are so bad I guess you are not a fan of the S7, GT2, 911T pr any other sports cars that uses turbo's? Then again...like I stated it's probably all OK now with the new turbo 330

my problem with bringing my viggen to the track is it's to heavy at 3000 lbs & w/o a LSD 1 tire burnouts on all season tires isn't fun at the track thus I only bring that when my SPG is broken.

So, BSaint, that photo proves that BMW can wipe the floor with Ferrari, Porsche, Corvettes, Vipers...etc?

Wow, a picture is worth a thousand words I guess

Oh good luck on your next race, whatever that is. Maybe a USAF pilot will challenge you with his fighter jet, which is a race you'll surely win ;)

I want an M :redspot

I want an M :redspot

true that chris... ( the only saab owner i actually respect lol)

The vid didn't work for me, and I am not too sure why there is an argument, all the saabs I have been in, had no top-end even when modded.

crap.... I cannot remember his name. He gets flown all over the place & I think is in the ALMS series weekend or one of those, I honestly cannot rmember because I only met him once. He gave us tickets to Mid-Ohio to watch his race & told me he will let me drive his shifter kart, never done that before :( What it has to with this..... nothing really.... just thought it was kinda cool!

Obviously it's a DRIVERS SCHOOL & I have beater vipers, ferarri's etc however I have also been passed by a rabbit, civic & a TON of other cars. My point was simply for some of the morons on this site who are bashing a car which they really know nothing about & feel they are slow & completely worthless. There will always be someone faster but stating a car make is junk becuase the interior isn't as good as a BMW or because it was beat by a z4 or because a E36M3 beat a base 9-3 stage4 is just stupid! It's a drivers school & I do not car who I pass or who passes me, I just want to improve my laptimes & also turn consistant laps which I have been doing. Last summer I turned 10 laps in a row .2 seconds apart which I do not feel is to bad.

where do you drive at? or would you be willing to come to putnampark.com? it's just west of Indy. I will be there the end of september with the wheelsoure school & hopefully I will not explode my trans this time! I will bring my 88 SPG which is rated at 165HP however I tweeked it a little. My SPG is also a street car & I would love for you to come out & play because I know for a fact that even though I have less experience that you will not be a match for my little old FWD, turbo powered (pretty funny you say they are stupid) with 1 extra door saab.

& anotherthing....so since the new 330 has turbo's on it it's a silly little car? Or are turbo's suddenly the thing to have since BMW uses them now? & since turbo's are so bad I guess you are not a fan of the S7, GT2, 911T pr any other sports cars that uses turbo's? Then again...like I stated it's probably all OK now with the new turbo 330

my problem with bringing my viggen to the track is it's to heavy at 3000 lbs & w/o a LSD 1 tire burnouts on all season tires isn't fun at the track thus I only bring that when my SPG is broken.


also i wasnt saying u didnt know a pro driver and anything just pointing out that bmws current stand in auto racing, privateer teams do use them and do sponsor them. I was at mid-ohio with grand am this year.

i dont think cars with turbos are silly, its an upgrade. Im a fan of NA though driveabilty. also id go to putnam but its rather far for a drivers school.

i never said turbos or anything were stupid either.

ok, look im not here to bash on a saab for teh sake of bashing on a saab im here to try and enlighten some of the one-sided car owners. BMWs owners included. Ive noticed through my experiences with saablink that they were generally one sided, if it wasnt a saab it sucked in there opinion and no facts could change thier mind. Im not saying thats you or anything just there were a few. Now i dont judge a car by its brand, i judge it by its peformance capability and saab's dont meet my standards. id rather have less power, and better handling. my car is 2700lbs stock and has about 170whp, which is nothing but its still quick.

also have u ever driven mid-ohio, if not i suggest you do its a wonderful circuit. the new pavement is awesome.

now cant we just accept each others cars for what they are and stfu?

yo bsaint i got my exhaust, track pipe on today.

YEa, he raced at Mid-Ohio with the 3 series that finished pretty much last due to a lack of a budget. He told my brother that he's a factory driver (he has done Lemans, etc) but I really do not know where he gets his check from :)

Unfortunantly I haven't driven at Mid-Ohio yet, only watched for about 15 years, you know..... back in the days when CART was the series to watch & a amazing weekend due to the number of support races! Those were the days :) I wanted to go there this year with the local BMW club however lack of funds due to blowing up a trans in my SPG have caused me to put it off for a bit. I was planning on going to Waterford Hills Sept 2 (with a alfa romeo club) however they do not accept cars with 4pt belts which is what I use. Not sure if I can find OEM 3pt belts in time :(

When you stated " no silly turbo's & extra doors" I thought you were against them & thought they were.... silly thus bad :) A properly setup turbo really can be a LOT of fun & I agree with many of you, a stock saab 2.0 is pretty boring my family has owned a few over the years.

I completely agree..... enlighten people. When I saw this link via saablink with the bashing & wrong info people were passing around I couldn't beleive it! I really ignore most of the people on saablink because well.... you know how they act. There are better sites around for saab people, saabcentral is one of them

FWIW I am sure like you stated that in a equal car you would kick my ass because I am relatively new to this. However my SPG is actually setup to be a track car (but it's street legal) & has about 400 HP & 2600 lbs thus I figured the added HP would carry me by :) I like power & handling both & since I feel I am at the limit of a FWD car in hopefully 2-3 years I will get a elise or a noble (I wanted a esprit but reliability has me worried). I want a RWD mid engine car........ something built for the track :) & yea... if I get a elise it will have forced induction of some kind :)

With the E30's being 2700 #'s that's about 100-150lbs more then a similar age saab. What do the E36 & E46's weigh? My guess is the E36 is 2900+? & probably 3300 ish for the E46?

YEa, he raced at Mid-Ohio with the 3 series that finished pretty much last due to a lack of a budget. He told my brother that he's a factory driver (he has done Lemans, etc) but I really do not know where he gets his check from :)

Unfortunantly I haven't driven at Mid-Ohio yet, only watched for about 15 years, you know..... back in the days when CART was the series to watch & a amazing weekend due to the number of support races! Those were the days :) I wanted to go there this year with the local BMW club however lack of funds due to blowing up a trans in my SPG have caused me to put it off for a bit. I was planning on going to Waterford Hills Sept 2 (with a alfa romeo club) however they do not accept cars with 4pt belts which is what I use. Not sure if I can find OEM 3pt belts in time :(

When you stated " no silly turbo's & extra doors" I thought you were against them & thought they were.... silly thus bad :) A properly setup turbo really can be a LOT of fun & I agree with many of you, a stock saab 2.0 is pretty boring my family has owned a few over the years.

I completely agree..... enlighten people. When I saw this link via saablink with the bashing & wrong info people were passing around I couldn't beleive it! I really ignore most of the people on saablink because well.... you know how they act. There are better sites around for saab people, saabcentral is one of them

FWIW I am sure like you stated that in a equal car you would kick my ass because I am relatively new to this. However my SPG is actually setup to be a track car (but it's street legal) & has about 400 HP & 2600 lbs thus I figured the added HP would carry me by :) I like power & handling both & since I feel I am at the limit of a FWD car in hopefully 2-3 years I will get a elise or a noble (I wanted a esprit but reliability has me worried). I want a RWD mid engine car........ something built for the track :) & yea... if I get a elise it will have forced induction of some kind :)

With the E30's being 2700 #'s that's about 100-150lbs more then a similar age saab. What do the E36 & E46's weigh? My guess is the E36 is 2900+? & probably 3300 ish for the E46?

yeah the e36 is heavier but the e30 might have a better F:R weight ratio than the saab since your entire driveline is upfront correct? with having a rwd car you get the added weight of the rear diff. and such back there to help also the way teh weight transfers favors the rwd car.

the e30's have a short wheel base not sure what the saabs is but its probably a little longer which would make the saab stable and easier to drive but not as quick in tight corners. my e30 has a near perfect weight distribution at F50.5:R49.5 and L50:R50 my m3 is even better.

now a saab might be light and it might have power all good to make a fast car but its where that weight is, also through some miracle BMW managed to design one fo teh best handling mass produced sportscars with an e30 and e36. to find a better handling car you need to spend alot of money like the poster steve posted. The e36 m3 can corner at the same g's a ferrari f355 FI can, maybe not the same but damn close. i dont know saabs performance numbers that well, i just know that if i take an e36 m3 out on the track that has 240hp that i bet i cant run the same laptime in a saab something with 240hp. to balance them the saab probably needs more power.

i dont know saabs performance numbers that well, i just know that if i take an e36 m3 out on the track that has 240hp that i bet i cant run the same laptime in a saab something with 240hp. to balance them the saab probably needs more power.

A very fair point. There's no argument there. To keep up, the Saab would also need substantial suspension mods to dial out some of the understeer and to increase the spring rate. Most importantly, it would also need a driver accustomed to making the subtle changes necessary in a FWD car (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/test1.htm), especially early braking and making the car power through the turn. One of admittedly few on-track benefits of FWD is not worrying as much about having the butt kick out if you're too hot through a turn. If it does, you just point the wheels straight and add power. It's counter-intuitive, especially if you're coming from the RWD world, but that's what works.

Realistically, the M3 is basically a homologated race car given some additional refinements for street use. Even with those weight-adding refinements, right out of the box it can outperform many stock vehicles and some mildly modded ones. (I've driven both the E30 and the E36 and the E30 is more fun to whip around, but the additional horses of the E36 were a blast...)

Most of the Saabs I know that have won or held their own in "street races" with M3s have been fairly moderately (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71592) modded. (Mine fits that bill. For not much money, I'm able to build a car that's almost stupid fast, but can still carry two adults, three kids, a dog and weekend bags.) The Saabs I know that have tangled with M3s on the track have been extensively race prepped -- full roll cages, subframe bracing, battery relocation for better weight distribution, etc....

Up much higher you mentioned that you have never seen a Saab in all your racing days. That's probably very true, especially if you primarily race in SCCA. There are serious restrictions regarding forced induction, to the point where the stock Saabs -- just because they have turbos -- are placed in classes where they're non competitive. The older naturally aspirated Saabs fared better, but since most of the newer ones are turbocharged, that limits the competitiveness. Other sanctioning bodies have different rules...

I'm not a "Saab, do-or-die" fanboy, nor do I have some bug up my ass about BMWs or 99.9 percent of thair drivers....

yeah the e36 is heavier but the e30 might have a better F:R weight ratio than the saab since your entire driveline is upfront correct? with having a rwd car you get the added weight of the rear diff. and such back there to help also the way teh weight transfers favors the rwd car.

the e30's have a short wheel base not sure what the saabs is but its probably a little longer which would make the saab stable and easier to drive but not as quick in tight corners. my e30 has a near perfect weight distribution at F50.5:R49.5 and L50:R50 my m3 is even better.

now a saab might be light and it might have power all good to make a fast car but its where that weight is, also through some miracle BMW managed to design one fo teh best handling mass produced sportscars with an e30 and e36. to find a better handling car you need to spend alot of money like the poster steve posted. The e36 m3 can corner at the same g's a ferrari f355 FI can, maybe not the same but damn close. i dont know saabs performance numbers that well, i just know that if i take an e36 m3 out on the track that has 240hp that i bet i cant run the same laptime in a saab something with 240hp. to balance them the saab probably needs more power.

For once I agree with Mike & that rarely happends because I think he is a ... well you know....

FWD ideal distrinution is 60/40 & I am very close to that. FWD & AWD are setup to understeer out of the box for safety reasons. It's pretty easy to change that to your own driving style just like it is on RWD cars.

It's really not that amazing becuase saab has been compared to ferarri's since the early 90's as well except it was based on acceleration & not handling... go figure! Even the 9-5 aero has been compared in top gear to a new ferarri.

I am not going to get into the I am faster then you....blah...blah...blah stuff anymore because honestly, if I had the experience that you claim to have & were in a E36M3 I would certainly hope that I could beat a FWD 5dr turbocharged family hauler wich has 10HP more then stock.

There ARE ways to get FWD cars to handle quite well, just look at speed channel.

Im just confused at why you think a 13.6 is so fast for the mods you have done to your car? That isn't too hard to believe. Nick Seitzinger was running a 13.4 all day long with his E36 M3 with just exhaust/intake work. I know most of the people on the forum can't drive that well, but your acting like your car is so ungodly fast or something?

^^^fyi...yur kar is hawt...

For once I agree with Mike & that rarely happends because I think he is a ... well you know....

FWD ideal distrinution is 60/40 & I am very close to that. FWD & AWD are setup to understeer out of the box for safety reasons. It's pretty easy to change that to your own driving style just like it is on RWD cars.

It's really not that amazing becuase saab has been compared to ferarri's since the early 90's as well except it was based on acceleration & not handling... go figure! Even the 9-5 aero has been compared in top gear to a new ferarri.

I am not going to get into the I am faster then you....blah...blah...blah stuff anymore because honestly, if I had the experience that you claim to have & were in a E36M3 I would certainly hope that I could beat a FWD 5dr turbocharged family hauler wich has 10HP more then stock.

There ARE ways to get FWD cars to handle quite well, just look at speed channel.


hahah you missed the other part in the top gear where he says its awful and why do those people who own saabs have that... grin on there face.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=950485022&n=2

and if you try to start comparing your turd to a ferarri i might have to shoot someone.

yo steve what you doing tomorrow?

yo steve what you doing tomorrow?

he working on his car

lol naaa only the $15 for what the DVD will cost, but i do do small like 3 -4 min videos for people if they wish. I used to do it all the time, but havent had time, due to all the filming for the DVD.




true that... and it only takes me about 7 mins to get to k.o.p when it should take about 30 -40


Hows that? Traffic averages ~70mph on the turnpike or the blue route. So your turning a 40 minute commute in to 7 minutes? Lets say 30 minutes @ 60 mph to be conservative, so 30 mins/7mins= 4.285x (as your 4.285times faster than the avg commuter @60) 60mph x 4.285 =257.14 mph...or another way of looking at it is a 30 min trip@60mph avg=30 miles and you can do it in 7 minutes 30/7= 4.28 x60 =257.14 mph... Hell your e36 is faster than a Veryron according to your claims...True that??? or should it be the ebonics version True dat??

Don't try to argue with the kiddies Mike. I've read numerous threads by BSaint and he comes off everytime as an arrogant mis-informed teen that he is. Somehow he got his hands on a nice, semi-quick car that has skewed his outlook on other cars(nothing compares to the e36 m) and still retains all the arrogance of a young kid...put the two together and you'll see why you should be taking everything he posts with a grain of salt. It's not worth your time to explain to him that there are other cars out there that are nice and that the E36 M3 is not the end to all sports cars.

Hows that? Traffic averages ~70mph on the turnpike or the blue route. So your turning a 40 minute commute in to 7 minutes? Lets say 30 minutes @ 60 mph to be conservative, so 30 mins/7mins= 4.285x (as your 4.285times faster than the avg commuter @60) 60mph x 4.285 =257.14 mph...or another way of looking at it is a 30 min trip@60mph avg=30 miles and you can do it in 7 minutes 30/7= 4.28 x60 =257.14 mph... Hell your e36 is faster than a Veryron according to your claims...True that??? or should it be the ebonics version True dat??

It's like the movie "Click". He just fast-forwards to where he's almost where he wants to be, or where he looks like he won already.

Oh, and I think it's "tru dat".

hahah you missed the other part in the top gear where he says its awful and why do those people who own saabs have that... grin on there face.

and if you try to start comparing your turd to a ferarri i might have to shoot someone.

yea, I did miss the point where he stated the car is aweful? Where was it? From what I gathered he actually liked the car... I know.... EXTREMELY hard for you to beleive

why people ......grin on their face... was the basis for the last few minutes of the video & he actually talked about part of the reason we enjoy these cars. It wasn't stated in a negative way like what you feel it is

there was another clip where they compared it to a ferarri, that video compared it to a 911t

my turd.... coming from someone who thinks a 13.6 at 10? mph is quick! WOW.... you just have to be about 16 yrs old?

A fair question.

What constitutes "good power?"

Say 250 whp/300 wtq? 3" inch downpipe and simple ECU reflash for a 2.3L Viggen; downpipe, intake and turbo upgrade to a 15T for a 2.0L 9-3 or 900.

Want 300 whp/350 wtq? Turbo upgrade to an 18T or GT28 and matching programming and injectors.

Going for 350-400 whp/450 wtq? GT3071R, programming, injectors, Bosch racing fuel pump. Forged pistons for the 99 and newer models. Stock internals in the 94-98 engines are robust to about 450 whp, but some people have gone to 500 whp. (I put in a GT30 earlier this spring. I'll be on the dyno next week.)

Want 500 whp? GT40, larger intake, tube header, external wastegate, programming, injectors, forged pistons.

Hope that was enlightening.


Saabs are turds there might be some evidence in the video that a saab can get up to a high speed and pass cars but in the video steve clearly beat the saab esp when the saab started to walk on steve then steve just walked right by i dunno what you think power is but a good amount of power should keep a race closer then whats on the vid, I think you got the wrong forum im sure a saab forum would be really excited to talk about those numbers- here...not so much.