Hello... Does anyone know if someone makes this?

TIA.

Martin

Nobody ever did this to their car??? Bump

From my experience, basically no one has done this with the e34. The only CF Trim BMW ever did was in the ///M540i for Canada and the M5 LE package and the M5 20 Jahre. I looked around for a while and couldn't find anything but cheap chintzy plastic, so unless you want to have a quality shop custom make the trim for you [probably $1,000 or more I would imagine], you're up the creek.

You could get it on US m5s without the above mentioned packages if you knew to order it when the dealer did the build sheet. CF was no where near the rage then as it is today so very few did it.

A friend used to have a 91 (I think) with the CF trim. So cool looking as the weave has hints of the M colors in it.

I'd imagine there are P/Ns for the pcs. Who knows, maybe they still have them lying around in some german warehouse.

You could get it on US m5s without the above mentioned packages if you knew to order it when the dealer did the build sheet. CF was no where near the rage then as it is today so very few did it.

A friend used to have a 91 (I think) with the CF trim. So cool looking as the weave has hints of the M colors in it.

I'd imagine there are P/Ns for the pcs. Who knows, maybe they still have them lying around in some german warehouse.

Thank for the info!!!!

The only CF Trim BMW ever did was in the ///M540i for Canada and the M5 LE package and the M5 20 Jahre.

I have a friend in Dallas who has an M540. Cosmos/Black buffalo hide with the CF trim. The CF trim is stunning in that car.

I bet with a M540 VIN you would be able to find the part numbers to order it through BMW. It can't be THAT expensive, can it? :shifty

It can't be THAT expensive, can it? :shifty

///Motorsports door handles cost 600 bucks...

I have already install CF trim in my E34.

///Motorsports door handles cost 600 bucks...

:eek: And here I thought BMW's biggest highway robbery was $800 EDC shocks.

:eek: And here I thought BMW's biggest highway robbery was $800 EDC shocks.

+1.

I was thinking about getting the motorsport ones, but MY GOODNESS. That is ridiculous.

The CF kit from BMW, IF you could get it, is around $1,800 IIRC. I looked around on realoem.com to check and it was ludicrous, and much of it was NLA.

Brian from e6 can do custom CF trim for you. It comes out great and I think its somewhere around $650-$800.

Great work!

Brian from e6 can do custom CF trim for you. It comes out great and I think its somewhere around $650-$800.

Great work!


do you send him the pieces you want covered or something?

do you send him the pieces you want covered or something?

Yup, you send him the trim, and he CF's it and sends it back.

He's a close friend of mine, I might be able to set up a group buy for you guys if you can get enough people together.

he should make c/f hoods for e34s!!!!

he should make c/f hoods for e34s!!!!

His prices are to high for it to be worth it...

CF trim I might be able to work on though.

His prices are to high for it to be worth it...

CF trim I might be able to work on though.


right on, I'd be down for a few small pieces. we shall see what the interest level is

I'm interested, but the problem is that I have no trim on my car so there's nothing to send out and get covered/modified.

I have already install CF trim in my E34.

that looks freakin badass!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that does look nice. Carbon fiber ANYTHING is so expensive - I don't get it.

Yeah, that does look nice. Carbon fiber ANYTHING is so expensive - I don't get it.

It is extremely expensive, but if done correctly is also very nice.

http://www.eurocarmotorsport.com/styling_interior_usd.htm

look about half way down the page:

The ultimate interior upgrade, easy install with self-adhesive.
Tested to the highest German standards TÜV.

- Available in brush aluminium, woodline, titan and carbon fibre

From USD94.60/= to USD186.49/= a set

he should make c/f hoods for e34s!!!!

If you have the narrow grille, you can get the erebuni hood.

It is extremely expensive, but if done correctly is also very nice.

There is a shortage of carbon fiber material right now. All of the distributors/suppliers we go thru for the raw material are on a national back order with no date known when they will be restocked. That's why the price of CF has increased in the past year. I'm in the process of doing my trim pieces in carbon, so I'll post pics once it's all done. Just haven't had the time lately to work on it...

There is a shortage of carbon fiber material right now. All of the distributors/suppliers we go thru for the raw material are on a national back order with no date known when they will be restocked. That's why the price of CF has increased in the past year. I'm in the process of doing my trim pieces in carbon, so I'll post pics once it's all done. Just haven't had the time lately to work on it...

Yea someone told me that airbus bought out the world supply but that sounded more like a silly rumor then anything else.

http://www.eurocarmotorsport.com/styling_interior_usd.htm

look about half way down the page:

The ultimate interior upgrade, easy install with self-adhesive.
Tested to the highest German standards TÜV.

- Available in brush aluminium, woodline, titan and carbon fibre

From USD94.60/= to USD186.49/= a set

Anyone have experience with this kit or has anyone seen it installed? Looks like the price is el cheapo, meaning quality is probably bollocks...

Well, I guess it doesn't matter--I e-mailed the seller at the site referenced above, and this is the response [it was a very quick response FYI]--

"
Sorry, it is no longer available. What only left is the silver one. And we don't have picture on an E34 fitted it.
Thanks

Best regards,
Calvin Tan
Eurocar Motorsport - automobile Technik"

I think I will have my local interior shop take a look at it and see what they might be able to fab up--I am thinking about having them redo my door cards [they are all coming off anyway] in a dark grey suede as well as doing the headliner, shifter surround, and parcel shelf. Thinking about dark grey door cards with tri-color ///M stitch around them...just a thought but it could be cool [my interior is light silvergrey right now].

Can someone provide me with part numbers from BMW for this... Also, how about numbers for the suede wheel and shift boots etc.

Jimmy

http://www.eurocarmotorsport.com/styling_interior_usd.htm

look about half way down the page:

The ultimate interior upgrade, easy install with self-adhesive.
Tested to the highest German standards TÜV.

- Available in brush aluminium, woodline, titan and carbon fibre

From USD94.60/= to USD186.49/= a set


- Available in brush aluminium, woodline, titan and carbon fibre-LOOK...
sneakey bastiches... it's fake CF look crap. I jsut clicked on it and could both see it aswell as read the description which clearly said "carbon fibre look"

Yeah thats why Im looking for the OEM part numbers.

Jimmy

I have a friend in Dallas who has an M540. Cosmos/Black buffalo hide with the CF trim. The CF trim is stunning in that car.

I bet with a M540 VIN you would be able to find the part numbers to order it through BMW. It can't be THAT expensive, can it? :shifty

PICS

PICS

Steve's car -

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=3629

Its killer.

Check out the carbon fibre shift surround.

Steve's car -

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=3629

Its killer.

Check out the carbon fibre shift surround.

Yeah that is sick. Can 'Steve' pull the trim to get a part number or does anyone know what number I need to order from BMW?

Jimmy

carbon fiber door panel instead of wood grain, glove box, etc etc. www.willz.ca (http://www.willz.ca) has an m540i for sale. 25,000 CAD. makes me want to rob a bank.

Yeah that is sick. Can 'Steve' pull the trim to get a part number or does anyone know what number I need to order from BMW?

Jimmy

I'll shoot him an email and post back. He's busy with grad school so it might be a couple days.

If you have the narrow grille, you can get the erebuni hood.

is that made for the e30? how would i know if i had a narrow grill?

is that made for the e30? how would i know if i had a narrow grill?

no its made for the e34, if you have a 1990 e34 then you should have the narrow grille. if you look at the car in my sig, it has a wide grille. Look at the car in angry pancake's sig, its a narrow grille.

yeah ive got a 90 535, theese must be pretty hard to come by, and pricey. non the less i want one.

Any idea who has them?

is that made for the e30? how would i know if i had a narrow grill?

there is a decent market for e30 carbon fiber hoods. google is your friend.


yeah ive got a 90 535, theese must be pretty hard to come by, and pricey. non the less i want one.

Any idea who has them?


c/f hoods? erebuni makes them. $550 or so.

http://www.shophyperformance.com/store/001750.html?id=AjSsXQ8P

Heres another c/f hood...kinda pricy though.

I would love to know the part numbers for the suede steering wheel and suede shift knob as well. Please help!

Jimmy

I have searched endlessly for a donor set of E34 wood trim thats complete to no avail in order to build them as plugs for mold making .I work in infusion systems and this method would provide the most accurate fit and finish.
Does anyone know where a set can be found ? They don't HAVE to have perfect condition(although this would speed up the process).
I want to make these as "replacement" rather than "overlays" or lesser methods.:nono Therefore the need for a proper fitted set is crucial.
Please PM me if you or someone/someplace has a set available.I've spoken to others about this and made arrangements, but they always seem to fall away.:shifty
It takes lots of time and money for me to see these projects through to fruition......the sooner the better to get me started.
Perhaps we can piece these together with several broken sets ?
...........V':cool

I have searched endlessly for a donor set of E34 wood trim thats complete to no avail in order to build them as plugs for mold making .I work in infusion systems and this method would provide the most accurate fit and finish.
Does anyone know where a set can be found ? They don't HAVE to have perfect condition(although this would speed up the process).
I want to make these as "replacement" rather than "overlays" or lesser methods.:nono Therefore the need for a proper fitted set is crucial.
Please PM me if you or someone/someplace has a set available.I've spoken to others about this and made arrangements, but they always seem to fall away.:shifty
It takes lots of time and money for me to see these projects through to fruition......the sooner the better to get me started.
Perhaps we can piece these together with several broken sets ?
...........V':cool

PM sent

Dark- I would be interested in a kit if you could make them. I just confirmed that the Canadian Kit is NLA anywhere in the world. No dealers have a set and BMW does not stock them in the US or Europe.

Dark- I would be interested in a kit if you could make them. I just confirmed that the Canadian Kit is NLA anywhere in the world. No dealers have a set and BMW does not stock them in the US or Europe.

My intention is to get all the molds finished and tested before I pipe up about making them. Getting ahold of a FULL set has been the deal breaker thus far.
ITSNOTME just headed me in the right direction for starters.....but I'll still need the four door pieces to complete it all.
Anyone know of these anywhere ?
..........V'

I have also worked with carbon fiber. I designed and built custom furniture and started my own business a while back. Ruptured a disc in my back and stopped. www.purposefurniture.com . I have 4 square feet of 12k count carbon fiber and the $100 gallon of the resin. The key is laying the carbon nice and straight. It is real easy to get the pattern out of whack. Then the key is wetsanding and buffing the resin. I may toy with some of my interior parts as well.

I have also worked with carbon fiber. I designed and built custom furniture and started my own business a while back. Ruptured a disc in my back and stopped. www.purposefurniture.com (http://www.purposefurniture.com) . I have 4 square feet of 12k count carbon fiber and the $100 gallon of the resin. The key is laying the carbon nice and straight. It is real easy to get the pattern out of whack. Then the key is wetsanding and buffing the resin. I may toy with some of my interior parts as well.

Thats some cool looking furniture you've designed. from the description ....sounds like your doing CF overlayed parts.There's virtuously no way to avoid air pits/voids when overlaying then sanding.
The only method I utilize is VIP or Resin Infusion. Its where the mold must be perfect to begin with as this will be your final surface finish once pulled.
The laminate schedules are layed up dry and then vacuumed down then resin is infused through the cloth for a perfect "resin to cloth ratio", then post cured with heat/oven.Thickness tolerances can be be very tight this way and the final fit and finish are great !:eyecrazy
The weave of the CF is perfect and the strength is robust.The UV stable Epoxy will last through all of the cars exposures and cleanings too.
..........V'

If ANYONE has a car,friend w/car,or knows of a car with a set of wood E34 interior trim that could be carefully pulled/removed and sold/donated/loaned for the cause of making CF interior full replacement panels...PLEASE contact me via PM.:buttrock
Thanks in advance.
.............V'

Bump.

C'mon.......its for the benefit of ALL interested parties to cough up a set of wood E34 trims !!!:buttrock
Start asking or looking in your local Pick n Pulls or salvage yards too !Mine are E34 less....:help
..........V'

Dark- Would it help if I could get you new wood panels at nearly dealer cost? I would not be making any money on the deal just trying to help out. I need carbon replacements!

Jimmy

Dark- Would it help if I could get you new wood panels at nearly dealer cost? I would not be making any money on the deal just trying to help out. I need carbon replacements!

Jimmy

Well, thats certainly a viable option if the members that have contacted me to search for used panel sets come up dry.
Can I trouble you to go ahead and gather all cost associated with buying a new set. At least then we could be ready to move on it. I still have a feeling they will be outrageous like most BMW farmed out manufactured bits though.:(
BTW....thanks for stepping up to help !:buttrock
.............V'

I checked out prices on realoem and its funny that the wood kit is the same price as the carbon kit. I didnt check availability yet or what my cost would be but im thinking in the 500-600 range. Really is a shame that the carbon is NLA.

Let me know what you want to do.

Jimmy

Dark; I just can't take the risk on damaging something taking it out as i am not interested in the CF pieces as replacements... I like the warmth the wood gives my otherwise all black interior.
Otherwise I'd be glad to pull it and ship it off.

I converted part of my car to wood trim, but I haven't gotten around to buying the required door panels to finish the conversion. The last quote I got from a salvage yard was $500 for door panels in excellent shape. I told them I would take less than excellent shape because I was planning on painting the wood trim body color and reupholstering the panels in Alcantara, but they never got back to me with a revised price. If I had them I would have no problems donating them to the cause, but all I can offer at this time is the front ones.
I would buy them now in exchange for a set, but I have to spend my money buying a new metal headgasket and getting my head straighten.
BTW, I'd also be in for a CF hood that has louvers in it, similar to the M3 GTR.

I converted part of my car to wood trim, but I haven't gotten around to buying the required door panels to finish the conversion. The last quote I got from a salvage yard was $500 for door panels in excellent shape. I told them I would take less than excellent shape because I was planning on painting the wood trim body color and reupholstering the panels in Alcantara, but they never got back to me with a revised price. If I had them I would have no problems donating them to the cause, but all I can offer at this time is the front ones.
I would buy them now in exchange for a set, but I have to spend my money buying a new metal headgasket and getting my head straighten.
BTW, I'd also be in for a CF hood that has louvers in it, similar to the M3 GTR.

I'd be interested in seeing pix of that hood, please ?:)

And GOOD news.....a Awesome member has coughed up a full set of wood trims to donate to the CF trim cause.:alright

Once we work out the details and get them shipped to me, I'll get started on the long hard work to get them modded as plugs for their molds.
I'll keep you updated once some progress begins to get interesting.
My best.........Vinny:cool

I'd be interested in seeing pix of that hood, please ?:)

And GOOD news.....a Awesome member has coughed up a full set of wood trims to donate to the CF trim cause.:alright

Once we work out the details and get them shipped to me, I'll get started on the long hard work to get them modded as plugs for their molds.
I'll keep you updated once some progress begins to get interesting.
My best.........Vinny:cool


goodonyer, run with that man. Carbon fiber trim would look amazing in my white and light grey leather interior

shieeeeeeeet. hope this doesnt fall through.

I'd be interested in seeing pix of that hood, please ?:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/chrisguapo69/Bimmerfest%20NY/Bavarianfest068.jpg

Will there be a choice of colors for the CF?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/chrisguapo69/Bimmerfest%20NY/Bavarianfest068.jpg

Will there be a choice of colors for the CF?

Yes, CF hybrid colors will be available. I'm even considering an additional cost to color tint the clear as well to add depth of hue.....on top of the 3-D twill weave.:eyecrazy
Although I will use blk/grey or Silver in my personal car.Its an all blk. interior on a blk. exterior.
Jeez.......it seemed to take forever to get this ball remotely going.lol.
Cheers..............V'

If I had black int., Id be all over this. But I think the wood trim looks good on parchment interior.

If I had black int., Id be all over this. But I think the wood trim looks good on parchment interior.

Yes I agree. I think an earthtone color warrants an earthtone trim. Wood is best suited for Tans,Browns,beige's.
...........V'

How's the progress going on this?

How's the progress going on this?

Unfortunatly.....the people who've spoken to cough up the parts to mold have all had issues getting them to me.:help
Its always something when trying these things.:( I've continued to miss auctions for them too ...at least any reasonably priced.Its not like I don't have other projects sucking me financially dry these days...argh.
..........V'

I'd love to put a carbon hood on my M5.... narrow or wide, vents or no vents:alright

If I were able to get the rest of the trim, how fast do you think the turn around would be?
I would need to have the trim back in the car by the middle of April for a magazine shoot (I haven't set up the date because the car is in pieces). That's also the start of driving schools and car shows.
While I would love a CF hood with vents, I think that I'm going to cut some openings into a stock black hood for track events and just cover the openings with mesh. Unless there is a way to get that done by April.

If I were able to get the rest of the trim, how fast do you think the turn around would be?
I would need to have the trim back in the car by the middle of April for a magazine shoot (I haven't set up the date because the car is in pieces). That's also the start of driving schools and car shows.
While I would love a CF hood with vents, I think that I'm going to cut some openings into a stock black hood for track events and just cover the openings with mesh. Unless there is a way to get that done by April.

Once the parent parts are in my hands and I perfect their surfaces ( they must be without any reflective flaws)I can begin building the flanges attached to them to use as new plugs.That in itself can be 1-4 weeks .
Once the mold is finished of each part, the parent parts can then be inspected and shipped back to you to install.
Then I could go forward with what I need to do to make Infused trims. This could require another month easily as I'll need to engineer mounting accuracy etc.
Two members on here were going to pull a spare set they had and send them to me to begin months ago.....but something must have gotten in the way:shifty.
As far as a hood goes.....late Summer I'm going to be turbo'ing my M50 with JonK's MegaSquirt build and I'll be using my good spare E34 hood as the parent donar for a NACA ducted modded hood to use for mold making. SO eventually that will also come to fruition since I already posess the hood.
I was bummed that the trims didn't come in.
Vinny

I wish I knew that sooner. I would have bought the trim from one of the auctions. Let me see what I can do.
As for the hood. I'm not a fan of the NACA duct in hoods. Its a great way to bring air into something, but since the E34 has a big front grille it not really needed. I feel that louvers are more appropriate because they let air out of the engine compartment. This serves two purposes. 1. It releases lots of heat, this is a big issue on FI cars. 2. It releases pressure from under the nose of the car, producing a low pressure zone, which creates downforce. This is helped by a partial or complete belly pan and a rear diffuser. Granted it doesn't do much at highway speeds but sure helps out up on the top end.

Once the parent parts are in my hands and I perfect their surfaces ( they must be without any reflective flaws)I can begin building the flanges attached to them to use as new plugs.That in itself can be 1-4 weeks .
Once the mold is finished of each part, the parent parts can then be inspected and shipped back to you to install.
Then I could go forward with what I need to do to make Infused trims. This could require another month easily as I'll need to engineer mounting accuracy etc.
Two members on here were going to pull a spare set they had and send them to me to begin months ago.....but something must have gotten in the way:shifty.
As far as a hood goes.....late Summer I'm going to be turbo'ing my M50 with JonK's MegaSquirt build and I'll be using my good spare E34 hood as the parent donar for a NACA ducted modded hood to use for mold making. SO eventually that will also come to fruition since I already posess the hood.
I was bummed that the trims didn't come in.
Vinny
I said I would do this but I'm affraid to take my trim off :az I don't want to break it!

Give me the directions again and I promise I’ll take the wood trim off my 530i this week and send it to you.

Hey Dark, you still lookin for parts? I think I saw a complete set in a Junk Yard over here. I'd have to go back to be sure. Shoot me a PM and an E-Mail.

I said I would do this but I'm affraid to take my trim off :az I don't want to break it!

Give me the directions again and I promise I’ll take the wood trim off my 530i this week and send it to you.

I can't blame you for being cautious Antreib !:) Thats a good sign. And honestly...I've not removed speciffically E34 trim, just Benz.
But almost all German trims like this are attatched one of two-3 ways it seems.
1-adhesed by double sided tape.
2-a few small 8mm nuts on the backsides (where aplicable).
3-sometimes...just by posts and plastic collars.

A new Bondo spreader and a clean (thin flexy)putty knife....for #1.
A 8mm deep socket and 1/4 inch ratchet for #2.
#3 would be the same as #1.

If you were concerned about the double stick tape being too stiff due to the cold....you could aid in removal by using a heat gun or hair blow dryer to soften it.:alright

Does anyone else have E34 trim removal experiance with success that could help us here ??:help
..........Vinny

I wish I knew that sooner. I would have bought the trim from one of the auctions. Let me see what I can do.
As for the hood. I'm not a fan of the NACA duct in hoods. Its a great way to bring air into something, but since the E34 has a big front grille it not really needed. I feel that louvers are more appropriate because they let air out of the engine compartment. This serves two purposes. 1. It releases lots of heat, this is a big issue on FI cars. 2. It releases pressure from under the nose of the car, producing a low pressure zone, which creates downforce. This is helped by a partial or complete belly pan and a rear diffuser. Granted it doesn't do much at highway speeds but sure helps out up on the top end.


agreed, a louvered wide grill hood would be tits (like these ----> ):boobies

http://www.e30m3performance.com/installs/installs-3/hood-vent/index.htm

agreed, a louvered wide grill hood would be tits (like these ----> ):boobies

http://www.e30m3performance.com/installs/installs-3/hood-vent/index.htm

I do agree that a heat release hood vent is great. But in concert with some form of fresh air intake as well for cars filtered with turbos.(cold air box)
When hacking up the factory lines of any stock hood....its very difficult to please all eyes and still remain "real".
One of my Datsun240-Z hoods has a SS style scoop near the front and then two(one on each side) heat extractor vents with lift lips near the windshield cowl.
The study of the mock up proved a HUGE difference in underhood temps ,both at idle and track speeds.
You can obviosly SEE the heat waves at times too.WE used the tried and true yarn tabs to get the draft effects and see where the pressures and Eddy's were affected for the better.
The Z cars hood is very long and sloping......this by design might have made a more dramatic difference compared to what we have on the flatter angle of our E34's ?
Either way.....I'm going to do SOMETHING with vents and cooling with my good extra hood at some point.
I guess a design hood thread would be wise....even if its on a race forum elsewhere.....so we can get it right the first time, as I'll only make one set of molds for the E34 hood.
..............Vinny

FYI:
From what I can tell the interior trim sets were different for early v. late E34 models. I believe they changed with the 93 updates. Particularly the glove box and the little piece next to it. So if you use a donor set, make sure you are addressing the model years people need.

I believe the glovebox trim on early E34's has the notch for the handle, and didn't feature the small trim piece to the left of the box, drivers pieces might be a little different too.

Racing Dynamics made a full CF replacement set for early E34's. A company was liquidating them about a year ago on ebay. I didn't buy because they would not fit my 95.

Gray birdseye maple was also a BMW Individual option, its absolutely gorgeous in the grey and black interiors!

Good luck.

FYI:
From what I can tell the interior trim sets were different for early v. late E34 models. I believe they changed with the 93 updates. Particularly the glove box and the little piece next to it. So if you use a donor set, make sure you are addressing the model years people need.

I believe the glovebox trim on early E34's has the notch for the handle, and didn't feature the small trim piece to the left of the box, drivers pieces might be a little different too.

Racing Dynamics made a full CF replacement set for early E34's. A company was liquidating them about a year ago on ebay. I didn't buy because they would not fit my 95.

Gray birdseye maple was also a BMW Individual option, its absolutely gorgeous in the grey and black interiors!

Good luck.

Good imfo ! Thanks. SO the cut-off date from the kits differences is probably around 91' and earlier ?? And 92-upward ?:help
I wonder if the full kit from the later models would still fit all....but just have more pieces or if the dash's actually were molded with differing subtle changes ?
Anyone ??:help
.........V'
Maybe we need to compile some pix of the years on here ?

Hang on, I'll go snap some pics of my '92 and '94.

Ok the cars are very dirty. It's below zero here!

Blue = 1992 535i
Tan = 1994 530i

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/127782396-O.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/127782400-O.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/127782413-O.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/127782416-O.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/127782421-O.jpg


So I guess all wood trim in all e34 models are the same...

Ok the cars are very dirty. It's below zero here!

Blue = 1992 535i
Tan = 1994 530i

So I guess all wood trim in all e34 models are the same...

The wood in my 1990 535i is definitely not the same as my 1995 540i/6.

The wood in my 1990 535i is definitely not the same as my 1995 540i/6.
Are you saying they are a different color or the pieces are actually different? If the pieces are different then maybe the change occurred in 1992?

Are you saying they are a different color or the pieces are actually different? If the pieces are different then maybe the change occurred in 1992?

No, pieces are the same... I thought you were referring to the actual wood itself.

The early 525's didn't have wood trim, and the pieces they'd normally fit into were shaped differently (no indentation for the trim piece)

No, pieces are the same... I thought you were referring to the actual wood itself.

The early 525's didn't have wood trim, and the pieces they'd normally fit into were shaped differently (no indentation for the trim piece)

Hmmm. My car is a 91' and doesent have wood trim in those spots along the dash but does have a vinyl piece there. The doors may be a different story( as far as indentation).
Any pix of the non wood trim E34's ?

Yes I konw early 525i's didn't have wood trim, mine didn't.

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/65702146-L.jpg

So are we all in agreement that the shapes and pieces of wood in all e34's are the same?

More no wood trim

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/65702138-L.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/71245708-L.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/79671875-L.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/79671869-L.jpg

http://zwilliams.smugmug.com/photos/79671870-L.jpg

Not yet.......does the parts that fit to the dash and just left of it in the trimmed models actually SIT into a molded recess or are they topical like the non -T cars would have to be done ?:help

Not yet.......does the parts that fit to the dash and just left of it in the trimmed models actually SIT into a molded recess or are they topical like the non -T cars would have to be done ?:help
So you want to know if the wood trim is recessed or just sits on top?

So you want to know if the wood trim is recessed or just sits on top?

Right.....at least on the glovebox and the part to its left.I'm not near my car or I could look closer for this....but I think 91' is.....hell I can't remember.Arrgh.
I think the vinyl underneath APPEARS to be recessed....but is actually COMPRESSED once the trim is fastened down tight.The foam gets smashed into submission in other words.

Right.....at least on the glovebox and the part to its left.I'm not near my car or I could look closer for this....but I think 91' is.....hell I can't remember.Arrgh.
I think the vinyl underneath APPEARS to be recessed....but is actually COMPRESSED once the trim is fastened down tight.The foam gets smashed into submission in other words.

As I understood it, anything with trim was recessed. Anything without looks like Antrieb's picture. Adding "wood trim" to those cars means either removing and replacing many interior panels, or just putting a sticker on top of the glove box, etc.

Well I guess that means that I need to find 4 door panels in okay shape that had wood trim at some point. My 89 didn't come with wood trim. It came with two removable pieces of vinyl on either side of the steering wheel. Since then I've upgraded my dash to wood trim (which is painted body color). Does anyone have a lead on door panels with wood trim? The color doesn't matter since I'm going to dye part of it and cover the rest in suede.
http://redfivemotorsport.com/photos/int1.jpg
http://redfivemotorsport.com/photos/int2.jpg

So whats the latest status on a complete donor set of trim??? CF rocks and I would love a set and am VERRY tempted to offer mine IF the CF version would be available in the near future. My new DD has the wood trim and the parts car doesn't

As I understood it, anything with trim was recessed. Anything without looks like Antrieb's picture. Adding "wood trim" to those cars means either removing and replacing many interior panels, or just putting a sticker on top of the glove box, etc.

The strip behind the trim on my glove box is recessed ('95). Must be the aftermarket wood trim kits "press-on wood" for the vinyl interiors is what's throwing me off. All of the one's I recall seeing have the notch for the glove box handle.

Seen several on ebay over the years with actual pics, but here's what I'm talking about:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E34-Wood-Kit-High-Performance_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ40017QQhash Zitem280077734211QQihZ018QQitemZ280077734211QQrdZ1 QQsspagenameZWDVW

...wait a minute, I've been flipping between the pics and I think I figured it out. BMW moved the glove box latch down on the models equipped with trim kits (later models?). Look at the line of the bottom of the wood trim v. the all vinyl on the glove box. Probably a good stipulation they made changes on the door panels too.

I know I'm loosin' it, but :rolleyes sheesh!
Sorry for the goose chase.

My car was not equipped original with the wood trim so the cf trim was glued on the panels

if you buy those original pieces...you love your car too much

Well I guess that means that I need to find 4 door panels in okay shape that had wood trim at some point. My 89 didn't come with wood trim. It came with two removable pieces of vinyl on either side of the steering wheel. Since then I've upgraded my dash to wood trim (which is painted body color). Does anyone have a lead on door panels with wood trim? The color doesn't matter since I'm going to dye part of it and cover the rest in suede.
http://redfivemotorsport.com/photos/int1.jpg
http://redfivemotorsport.com/photos/int2.jpg

The 535i might be going to part-out mode... but those door panels are in perfect condition, might be better off buying cheapo ones since you're gonna be recovering it anyways? :dunno

Ok....last nite I looked closely at all of my Non Wood trimmed 91'. It appears to me that the factory door panels are simply offset for the possibility of trim option.
The drivers side dash parts are removable vinyl parts that obviously could take the wood parts.
The glove box also has an offset space that the wood part would fit flush to the upper dash once mounted.
Redfive.....does this jive with what you see too ??:confused
If this is the case ....a full set of stock factory wood trim should fit at least 91' and above just fine. I can't speak for 90' and below.
Obviously the Non trimmed models would have to drill holes in their panels to fit the factory trims.No biggie.
I can engineer the fasteners into the parts as I mold them utilizing designed jigs etc.

LETS FIND A DONOR SET SO I CAN GET CRACKING !!:help
.........V'

I know you have the 540 now, but a fix for your 535 is just an engine swap away... What color is in trim? The whole suede interior is only going to happen if I get enough money to do all the important things first.
My 89 only had the indents for the steering column pieces. I had to get a whole other glovebox set in order to make that work. For the dash its important to get the right backing, especially considering the amount of time you spend staring at it. As for the sides, my doors don't have the indents but sticking it on doesn't look that bad from the photos. Whatever you go with I'll make it work in my car.

Does anyone have a close up shot of the wood trim mounted to a door panel ?
Also a pix of the glovebox and where it sits next to the dash center ?
I'm pretty convinced these will look properly fitted,just want to look abit closer before we start.

Redfive....were you suggesting I swap my motor for something else ? I hope my M50 will appreciate the T3/T4 turbo thats going in her...:)

I'm sure it will. That will be a nice setup.
The motor swap suggestion was for Tim who wants to part out his 535i.

I think I might have this figured out abit more. The door panel vinyl has a foam backing thats about 1/4" thick or 6mm.
Since the vinyl is so easy to pull back ,why couldn't we simply razor off the area that the wood trim will rest and about an 1/8th more then reglue the vinyl back down and Wala'...wood trim recess !:alright

Good news I hope also....we have a German forum member whos contacted me as he thinks he has a set of trims to set this up with.:buttrock
Lets all hope this goes through........:)
.........V'

Does anyone have a close up shot of the wood trim mounted to a door panel ?
Also a pix of the glovebox and where it sits next to the dash center ?
I'm pretty convinced these will look properly fitted,just want to look abit closer before we start.

Redfive....were you suggesting I swap my motor for something else ? I hope my M50 will appreciate the T3/T4 turbo thats going in her...:)

I'm gonna go check out a parts car today.. I'll bring my camera with me and take some pics of the trim.

I'm gonna go check out a parts car today.. I'll bring my camera with me and take some pics of the trim.

Exellent , this will help out .:buttrock

loads of pics of mine in this thread

http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/teamdsm-about248.html

loads of pics of mine in this thread

http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/teamdsm-post-2003.html#2003

is there a way to view without logging in?

yeah. I'll move the thread, and make it open to non reg users temporarily and edit the link. I'm sorry! I forgot about that.


Mine doesn't have the piece between the OBC and radio, otherwise it is identical to the rest of the pics previously displayed.

There's a place called MimoUSA.com They have a carbon kit with 19 or 38 pieces...yeah 38 Pieces for 180.00. My shop is a dealer for them, so I'll be getting one for my e34 asap.

There's a place called MimoUSA.com They have a carbon kit with 19 or 38 pieces...yeah 38 Pieces for 180.00. My shop is a dealer for them, so I'll be getting one for my e34 asap.

Yeah, I've seen those type of kits. Not really my style. I definatly want to stay with the factory 12 piece kit. Its nicely blended and understated.IMHO.:)
..............V'

Buuummp. I would like to get in line for one of these kits Dark Schnitzer, whenever they become available. I have the light silvergrey interior and I have been wanting to spruce it up for a long time...

Buuummp. I would like to get in line for one of these kits Dark Schnitzer, whenever they become available. I have the light silvergrey interior and I have been wanting to spruce it up for a long time...

Sounds great, we're along way from pulling new parts at this point however.But I'll keep after it until its done.:buttrock
..........V'

http://redfivemotorsport.com/photos/int1.jpg

where did you get that center console gauge pod?

where did you get that center console gauge pod?

Its a Hartge piece. Bavauto sold them at one point. It was around $300 and it took several months to get. I don't see it on their website so you'll have to call them.
I got really lucky a couple of years ago when someone broke into my car and stole my stereo and my dash mounted gauges that they didn't touch those gauges.

Hey Dark,

I got my the trim pieces out of my car. Check your Junk Mail filter, I think I'm getting caught up in it. I need your address!

Hey Dark,

I got my the trim pieces out of my car. Check your Junk Mail filter, I think I'm getting caught up in it. I need your address!

Your OK, I've just been traveling in Sacramento on job.PM's sent to all regarding this.:redspot
I'll update when they arrive safely.
Cheers..............Vinny

Ok, Arianboy in Germany sent me his full set of wood trims to use as mold plugs.Nice & THANK YOU !
So now to complete the E34 trim pieces.....I need SOMEONE to send me just the pieces left and right of the steer column and the pieces for the glovebox and the small part to its immediate left. (total of 4).
Evidently, the 535-540 trims there are wider for the column...whereas the 525I is slightly thinner and the glovebox door piece has a notch for the handle.The 540 etc has no notch.Please correct me if you have any precise knowledge of these findings.....as I will only build these molds once.
This way when I build molds....I can do years 89-95 !:alright
All the door pieces (8 parts) are the same throughout.
PLEASE pm me ASAP if you can help here.:help
My best..........Vinny

Ok, Arianboy in Germany sent me his full set of wood trims to use as mold plugs.Nice & THANK YOU !
So now to complete the E34 trim pieces.....I need SOMEONE to send me just the pieces left and right of the steer column and the pieces for the glovebox and the small part to its immediate left. (total of 4).
Evidently, the 535-540 trims there are wider for the column...whereas the 525I is slightly thinner and the glovebox door piece has a notch for the handle.The 540 etc has no notch.Please correct me if you have any precise knowledge of these findings.....as I will only build these molds once.
This way when I build molds....I can do years 89-95 !:alright
All the door pieces (8 parts) are the same throughout.
PLEASE pm me ASAP if you can help here.:help
My best..........Vinny
What does my M5 have? I want these!

Jimmy

Also, Dark, is it possible to get a weave similar to that of the LTW?

What does my M5 have? I want these!

Jimmy

I'll actually measure the parts I have so you can compare what you have.
LTW ? I'm not sure what this refers too ?:confused The weave I planned on using is known as 2x2 Twill. (as pictured by a previous Z part I infused )
I'll be able to do hybrid colors (ex:red/blk...blue/blk.) for an upcharge.
First runs will be the previously pictured blk/grey.
Vinny

Good to see progress is being made!

I can send you the trim pieces for the front. PM me the details.

Looks like this project might finally be going through! Very cool.

I'll actually measure the parts I have so you can compare what you have.
LTW ? I'm not sure what this refers too ?:confused The weave I planned on using is known as 2x2 Twill. (as pictured by a previous Z part I infused )
I'll be able to do hybrid colors (ex:red/blk...blue/blk.) for an upcharge.
First runs will be the previously pictured blk/grey.
Vinny


If you look at this photo of the Lightweight weave you can see what I am referring to. The picture sucks, but you can see on the right side of the center surround the red I am talking about. If you can somehow get that weave, I would be willing to pay an extra premium for sure!

I can send you the trim pieces for the front. PM me the details.

Redfive, you have the smaller 525I size ??

95//M3......was there supposed to be an image in your post ?
..........Vinny

Redfive, you have the smaller 525I size ??

95//M3......was there supposed to be an image in your post ?
..........Vinny

Yeah, piss, it didnt work... try again.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/jwh234/bmw/dash1.jpg

Let me know if that is doable.

Thank you!

Jimmy

Yeah, piss, it didnt work... try again.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/jwh234/bmw/dash1.jpg

Let me know if that is doable.

Thank you!

Jimmy

Well, if I'm following your intent ......the image is simply of a close-up of Twill weave. The color is perhaps from the natural light....sort of yellowing.Although Hybrid Carbon/Kevlar,does have a yellowish golden hue once infused.
Are you also referring to the lettering behind the clear gelcoat ?
Otherwise, its just the way the light is presenting the weave.
........Vinny

Well, if I'm following your intent ......the image is simply of a close-up of Twill weave. The color is perhaps from the natural light....sort of yellowing.Although Hybrid Carbon/Kevlar,does have a yellowish golden hue once infused.
Are you also referring to the lettering behind the clear gelcoat ?
Otherwise, its just the way the light is presenting the weave.
........Vinny

I just would like to have the little bit of red that shows through.

I just would like to have the little bit of red that shows through.

Oh yes, I see what you mean now. Those were Ltd. production runs of cloth. Sometimes my vendors run across this. The red thread between the weaves is what your after.Ok.I'll see whats available.
..........Vinny

Oh yes, I see what you mean now. Those were Ltd. production runs of cloth. Sometimes my vendors run across this. The red thread between the weaves is what your after.Ok.I'll see whats available.
..........Vinny

Awesome, sorry for the confusion. It would be great if you could match it. As of now I would need the front dash pieces. My doors do not have the wood, YET!

Jimmy

Probably a NOOB question...What will be the projected cost?

Awesome, sorry for the confusion. It would be great if you could match it. As of now I would need the front dash pieces. My doors do not have the wood, YET!

Jimmy

If all goes as planned, I've engineered these to be full replacement panels,NOT overlays.
That way, if the car gets sold you can swap back in the factory wood parts....and resell the CF ,:).
Vinny

Probably a NOOB question...What will be the projected cost?

The project cost ? The materials and time to build the plugs , molds and mounting jigs will be about 1500-2000$ once all is said and done.
The kit will sell for around 195-250.00$ (guess-temate) depending on labor to make .
It will take me several weeks to prepare the original pieces (15 in all) as plugs then several more to build the Infusion molds.
Then the first trial set will be made and jigged for mounting.
..........Vinny

If the fit and finish of the product is good as the wood trim, sign me up for a set please.

Dark...Just realized that you're in Springfield, MO. If you can get them done by July, I just road trip down to pick them up.

Cool, I've been waiting for a setup like this for awhile. Sign me up!

Dark...Just realized that you're in Springfield, MO. If you can get them done by July, I just road trip down to pick them up.

Sure, that would be cool. I'm busting my a$$ trying to get My ACS 5 all finished up for one of the Bimmerfests.These trims would be a nice touch for sure.
...........Vinny

Does anyone know anything about the M540 pieces? I am thinking about getting the shifter surround from the dealer but wanted to know if it has the M5 storing partition in it or what the weave looks like.

Jimmy

how's the progress goin? Im willin to pay a lot for these.... i was going o break down and just search for the originals... but at 1800 bux, i dont know....

i don't want this to fall through, lol

glad to see a bunch of mature men collaborating to make something that's never been done before..

how's the progress goin? Im willin to pay a lot for these.... i was going o break down and just search for the originals... but at 1800 bux, i dont know....

i don't want this to fall through, lol

glad to see a bunch of mature men collaborating to make something that's never been done before..

I tried to look for the originals for quite some time to no avail. I can get the piece that goes around the shifter for a reasonable price ~200ish I believe. I havent seen one in person though.

Jimmy

Last I heard plugs, molds, whatever, & etc... were getting put together. Anything new? The air blowing out the holes in my door are starting to get really annoying at 240+. :D

I thought Id chime in again... I have the M540 piece coming in next week. I can send it to you Dark if you would like to see it or match the weave for my set!

Hey guys,
As in all things composites....these things take time. Time to refinish the parts surface ,attatching smooth surrounding flanges for the plug total surface....then I can build the molds.NO worries,It'll come together.;)

95///M3- Hold off on sending me the part until these molds are ready....or at least closer. I can source the weave your after then. (hopefully its not some short run of CF thats long since been used up).This does happen in the manufacturing .:(
But I have some vendors who specialize in odd surplus.

BTW everyone.....I still could use the EARLY E34(M50) glovebox wood trim and the small one to the right of the box.:help

Everything else is the same ( except for the 2 parts L&R of the column)
Vinny

Got any updates on this Vinney? ;) Still waiting... Patiently even! :D

Got any updates on this Vinney? ;) Still waiting... Patiently even! :D

Nothing new since I began surface correcting the donar set. Been on the road with work etc.:(
V'

Nothing new since I began surface correcting the donar set. Been on the road with work etc.:(
V'

Arianboy.......just letting you know I've been surface correcting these parts . Its taking several layers to make correct.( These were an open pore wood trim set):(

But they are looking good.I'll keep posting as I go along ...albeit slowly.:)
Vinny

I'm excited!

I thought Id chime in again... I have the M540 piece coming in next week. I can send it to you Dark if you would like to see it or match the weave for my set!

could you PM me the p/n's for the center shift surround, and any of the other original part numbers nla or not (hey sometimes you can get lucky haha). is EVERYTHING NLA or just the retrofit kit?

could you PM me the p/n's for the center shift surround, and any of the other original part numbers nla or not (hey sometimes you can get lucky haha). is EVERYTHING NLA or just the retrofit kit?

Most are NLA. The center piece is still available, there is a piece for the glovebox that is available, and there are two pieces for the rear doors, I think the smaller piece, that is still available.

Jimmy

Awesome. For a minute I thought this project was over with. Keep it coming!

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=HE53&mospid=47410&btnr=91_0125&hg=91&fg=40

I ordered the 809 I believe which is now NLA.

The 810 and 812 are still available I believe. If you need one shoot me a PM or email and I can help you. I dont know what the difference is between the numbers so maybe someone else can chime in. I would presume that the model for ASC/DSC has a cut out for the button? I dont know how the full leather model would differ. We can get one in for you and I can match it up next to mine to tell for certain.

Jimmy

thanks for the link man, i'll keep it in mind when it comes time for an e34 (hopefully later this year)

I have already install CF trim in my E34.

LOOKS WERRY GOOD in our`car whit that coluor

I'm very interested in this kit as well--for a 93 525i Touring--is there an estimated time of completion for this project? A month or two? Just curious. :)

My car has a carbon fiber trim on it.

My car has a carbon fiber trim on it.

pics!

Wanna sell it to me? :D

Did it come that way, or did you buy it? If you bought it, where from?

My car has a carbon fiber trim on it.

can you post of PM pictures of it :)

I did a search for carbon fiber interior trim / E34 and this thread came up. What's the progress? Any kits yet?

-Gary

I did a search for carbon fiber interior trim / E34 and this thread came up. What's the progress? Any kits yet?

-Gary

damn, was it moroza or antrieb that was gonna make some?

damn, was it moroza or antrieb that was gonna make some?

It is me. I've only had time to source,mod,prep the OEM trims for plug. Molds to follow. I'm working them with Resin Infusion Vac.
It'll be this Winter before I'm back on them.Patience please.....this is a low ticket item for me.It requires over 12 molds and also attaching hardwares.
Vinny

It is me. I've only had time to source,mod,prep the OEM trims for plug. Molds to follow. I'm working them with Resin Infusion Vac.
It'll be this Winter before I'm back on them.Patience please.....this is a low ticket item for me.It requires over 12 molds and also attaching hardwares.
Vinny



Ah of coarse, sorry

thanks for the hard work, cant wait to see it

Alright Vinny!:redspot

Who would have thought my first post would be about CF Trim.

I'm wondering, though, I have an 89 535. The interior is the black/grey vinyl.

How would this kit be different from the "stick-on" kits I've seen? I don't really see a recess for CF, so I assume that I'd actually be REMOVING pieces of the doors, etc? Can anyone advise the noob.


Heck, even if this wouldn't fit in my car, it's still a fantastic project. Good to see people collaborating for the good of the community!

Who would have thought my first post would be about CF Trim.

I'm wondering, though, I have an 89 535. The interior is the black/grey vinyl.

How would this kit be different from the "stick-on" kits I've seen? I don't really see a recess for CF, so I assume that I'd actually be REMOVING pieces of the doors, etc? Can anyone advise the noob.


Heck, even if this wouldn't fit in my car, it's still a fantastic project. Good to see people collaborating for the good of the community!

89? I'm thinking that you don't even have the wood trim. I think most of this project would be to replace a lot of the wood trim that was in 90+ e34's....

the difference between the "stick on" kits is that this is real CF.. not stickers that look like CF. Craftsmanship vs crafty shit

the difference between the "stick on" kits is that this is real CF.. not stickers that look like CF. Craftsmanship vs crafty shit

once it's done anyway....:(

Vinney,
Should we start a group buy?

Vinny,
you are the man. I have parchment interior, so I may not be jumping on this; but it is awesome how you are spearheading this effort. This is why being a part of this community is awesome. We all help each other out.
Thanks a bunch.

bumpity

Please, please, please let me know when this happens. I will absolutely buy this for my car.

Thanks guys for the verbal support. After bodyworking several of these trim parts for mold/plug prepping....I'm pretty sure I'll only make a handful of these CF trim sets per batch. They will require a ton of "out of mold" finesse works before they can even have their mounting systems installed.

And yes.....I only have my 91' car to compare notes too about which cars had wood trim....so I guess this kit would only be for the 34 above 90+ ??
Vinny

No affiliation found them here.

http://www.parkerperformance.com/

Click e34 (naturally)

Good find. Alot of people have been looking for those.

Hey Vinny, are you planning on including shifter surrounds for autos, or are you only doing manuals? I'm just curious, because I've been planning on buying your set for months, but the car I'm buying it for is an auto 1993 525iT. Thank you for your hard work!

Hey Vinny, are you planning on including shifter surrounds for autos, or are you only doing manuals? I'm just curious, because I've been planning on buying your set for months, but the car I'm buying it for is an auto 1993 525iT. Thank you for your hard work!

Well,good question....I have both shifter surrounds....the flat auto and the flat manual. I also have the M5 shaped version too.I guess I'll post that question when we get closer to the molding of those parts.The majority will win "round one" of course...but I'll do the 2nd place choice also later.
Cheers,Vinny

I'd bet the M5 manual will win over the flat manual...a lot of people have bought M5 shifter surrounds in the OEM pattern just because--it definitely gives a better place to put your wallet while driving as well as a pack of gum, etc.

Can't wait to see some of this stuff when it's done.

I believe the flat will win out.Looks much better IMHO.I keep my wallet in my pants.

it definitely gives a better place to put your wallet while driving as well as a pack of gum, etc.


First time I read this quickly and thought you said pack your gun!!

Oops, forgot the pics.

Oops, forgot the pics.

Did we meet up once a few years back when I came out from California, along with a number of other E34 guys (Bruno and a few others)?

No sorry, wrong guy.

No sorry, wrong guy.

np, had to ask... how many M540's with cf trim can there be in canada? :wave

lol There are only 32 total...and after figuring in wrecks and exports to the US ..... maybe 25? :stickoutt May I ask where in Canada you saw this elusive beast?

bumpity bumpity... any update with this. (long shot, I know...)

Damn,if it takes this long,I will have to use Hannibal Lecter hide.

Damn,if it takes this long,I will have to use Hannibal Lecter hide.

Play nice now.:shifty.........more than just E34's in MY life anyway. I'm juggling all one person can along with 60+ work week hours and thats not including travel days or taking care of my elderly parents needs.
I'd suggest just doing a CF overlay if your impatience wins over. I personally don't do overlay work for a reason. But it can reach the external LOOK.....if you know what I mean.
Cheers,Vinny

Oops, forgot the pics.

where from Canada are you ringle?

Play nice now.:shifty.........more than just E34's in MY life anyway. I'm juggling all one person can along with 60+ work week hours and thats not including travel days or taking care of my elderly parents needs.
I'd suggest just doing a CF overlay if your impatience wins over. I personally don't do overlay work for a reason. But it can reach the external LOOK.....if you know what I mean.
Cheers,Vinny

Chill Vinney.That was ment as a joke.Iappreciate what you are doing.:)

Play nice now.:shifty.........more than just E34's in MY life anyway. I'm juggling all one person can along with 60+ work week hours and thats not including travel days or taking care of my elderly parents needs.
I'd suggest just doing a CF overlay if your impatience wins over. I personally don't do overlay work for a reason. But it can reach the external LOOK.....if you know what I mean.
Cheers,Vinny



How's your CF kit coming, Vinny?

How's your CF kit coming, Vinny?

Redundant post, I realize......but slowly.:)