View Full Version : J and J Motorsports, Cedar Rapics, IA


colleran
08-10-2006, 10:37 PM
Here is some feedback on work I had done at J and J:

Battery light came on my dash. I took it to Jack at J and J to have an assessment done. Jack hooked up the voltage meter to the battery and said yes its the alternator. That took all of 3 minutes. He then called around to get an alternator and was not able to get one until the following day. We then looked at my front brakes. He suggested new rotors and pads. I asked how much everything would be. He said $400 for alternator and $600 for brakes.

Later that day (three hours later) I called and cancelled the work to be done on the brakes. The work had not been started.

The next day I arrived to pick up the car. Jack presented me with a bill for 529.37 for replacing the alternator. I told Jack I thought he had charged too much to replace an alternator. I also expected him to charge what he had quoted me...afterall...he had looked up the part and he has been a mechanic for some 30 years right...so his estimate should be atleast close.
Jack was not happy that I shared my opinion on the bill however he never gave explanation. Basically $314 for alternator (bosch AL0749X), 2 hours to install ($150), 37.50 to check the electrical system (it took 3 minutes max).

Then I went to start the car and the noise was ridiculous. The whining belt noise was very loud. I went back in and Jack said the battery was only half charged and that the noise would go away once the battery charged. I asked him why he didn't charge the battery...from what I know you don't want to charge your battery with the alternator, its a strain. I want to be clear, I was direct in my communication and I based everything on the facts. I thought he over charged and I thought he unfairly exceeded his estimate (by around 30%).

But the car sounds bad, he comes out of the office, locks his door and when I ask him of he is going to finish the job and get it right and he says to me I was rude and to bring it back the next morning. He then reprimanded me for keeping him there until 6:30. That was odd since I told him three times I would be there at 6:30 and he said nothing but "no problem."

Now the car is at home and it's not sounding good. The idle is low and clearly effected by use of electrics like the lights, A/C, sunroof, etc. Basically the car struggles when the lights are turned on (no A/C). The idle drops, it goes rough, and the belt gets louder...maybe the tensioner needs adjusting....Jack certaintly had no interest in getting the job done right so I am left needing help.

Two questions...what is going on with the alternator? Second, should I have paid him? I feel ripped off.

Sorry, I have nothing positive to say about J and J.

.jordan
08-10-2006, 10:40 PM
just take it back to him, until he gets it right. Do you have a black 4dr m3 by chance? i think i saw it in there a couple days ago

colleran
08-10-2006, 10:47 PM
Yes M3/4...and I appreciate your advice and in a lot of situations I would agree but I do not want him working on my car again.

powellsd
08-10-2006, 10:48 PM
he could have put the wrong alt in. maybe to low of a amp. how does the belt feel when you puch on it?? does it feel sloppy? or is it pretty tight. there is not to much you can adjust since that tensioner will adjust it self. also there really would be that much stress on the alt by letting it charge itself. i wish i could pipe in on Jack's work but i cant. i have only picked up a few parts my e30 that i owned and that was it. i do stop by his place every now and then to see what he is working on. anyway good luck on getting this taken care of.

also i seen that you are from salt lake area. are you now living in IA or just visiting here.

There is also Simpson Motorsports in Iowa City. i have heard he is good.

.jordan
08-10-2006, 10:51 PM
it could be the tensioner..but the idle problem prolly wouldn't be related to that. the tensioner can't be adjusted from what i understand, could just need a new one. I've heard pretty good things about simpson motorsport in iowa city if you want to take it there. If i were you i'd go back to jack and tell him its not fixed. (i had to do this 3 or so times w/ an oil leak once) Its annoying, but you paid him, right?

colleran
08-10-2006, 10:57 PM
he could have put the wrong alt in. maybe to low of a amp. how does the belt feel when you puch on it?? does it feel sloppy? or is it pretty tight. there is not to much you can adjust since that tensioner will adjust it self. also there really would be that much stress on the alt by letting it charge itself. i wish i could pipe in on Jack's work but i cant. i have only picked up a few parts my e30 that i owned and that was it. i do stop by his place every now and then to see what he is working on. anyway good luck on getting this taken care of.

also i seen that you are from salt lake area. are you now living in IA or just visiting here.

There is also Simpson Motorsports in Iowa City. i have heard he is good.


Thanks for the suggestions. I moved here 2 months ago from SLC...time to update my profile.

powellsd
08-11-2006, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. I moved here 2 months ago from SLC...time to update my profile.


anytime. if you need any help or parts let me know. i am usually free a few nights of the week.

shannon@aboveallmotorwerks.com

.jordan
08-11-2006, 04:41 PM
did you get it all figured out?

colleran
08-11-2006, 07:10 PM
I have not nailed down the whining that is coming from the belt and for now I am not driving the car.
I have a bentley manual coming to me...it was about time I replaced all the tools, jack stands, and manuals I lost track of a long time ago. So I am going to figure this thing out on my own.
Thanks for asking.

bimmermechanic1
08-13-2006, 06:44 PM
looks like you need a new tensioner. guy sounds like a idiot - you have to be careful with mechanics, especially when they see the beauty of the M3. my guess is he was jealous (it is the best handling car of all time per c&d). too bad your not in vegas or i would have hooked you up. by the way - you will need to find someone good to deal with the well known rust issue - stay away from j&j.

.jordan
08-13-2006, 07:28 PM
i doubt hes jealous..he has a ferrari, and a mint m6 w/ 80k on it