So I feel that I keep missing the mark. When I had a *hardware kit* nobody was interested, stating usually that they want just parts and preferred to take a completely DIY approach. Now with parts only like the manifolds, the response is much less than I had hoped. Some now say "well how bout a hardware kit?".

So my question is this. What exactly do people want, and at what price point? Would incremental stages of hardware packages be best? manifold and wastegate pipe only, then manifold kit + turbo + wastegate, then all of that with oil lines? Perhaps all the way up to intercooler kits and IC pipe kits? At that point, I'm back to a complete hardware kit again... :dunno

and what would be the expected pricing on such bits. I'm not great at engineering to a price point, but I'm learning some of it from my other projects/clients. A cheaper manifold that is anywhere near as robust and reliable won't happen. Improvements at small extra costs might be possible though.
A relatively low cost verson of my motor mount being produced in enough quantity would be possible, but what would a price point need to be for that? It has distinct advantages over the cartech and boostlogic mounts in its charge pipe routing options with that curve, but that adds cost.

Charge pipes are still in the works, but everyone wants a slightly different size/shape/whatever. should I just say "here's what you get", oversize it slightly to get to what most would think they want, and package an intercooler with it so it has a known fit?

Everyone has an opinion on wastegates, and usually wants something other than what i recommend. Most want bigger than what I recommend too. If I offer a package, even if its a known proven setup, is it likely to not be popular because it doesn't sound as cool in the mod list? should i go up in wastegate size because of that? Having multiple sizes/shapes/styles complicates the packaging of a "kit".

For the DIY guys, the software thing is coming along fairly well for the OBD-I crowd. I would think that would open up more of the low budget DIY market, but I think still most are scared away by all the *DIY* build threads. Most start out with a relatively low budget in mind mostly in order to avoid a $8k turbo kit pricetag... and a good number overshoot that kit price in their DIY build... not even factoring in labor/time for making the parts they need. Perhaps more complete *bolt on bit* options would help some of this? or would they be ignored by the DIYer just for the sake of cost and doing it themselves?

To me, there are a few hardware changes with low marginal returns.

Here's my list of things you could recommend where people would get little improvement by "wanting something different" or it "doesn't sound as cool"

Manifold - good manifold at a good price, you have it

IC - Unless your shooting for 500+, a relatively efficient mid-size IC recommended by you should fit majority of applications

Piping - Only shape I want is a shape that fits; Size is a different story. Offered in 3 and 3.5 should be sufficient, (Color - I want mine candy striped, of course!)

Wastegate/piping - Same as manifold, quality and right size; don't see why anyone but a poser would want to go up in size for no gain (my wastegates bigger than yours); I want to do as little welding as possible ...

Which brings me to downpipes with integrated wastegate return/o2 bung :devillook

Throw in a turbo and some injectors, bov, tuning ... zoom

Price - look at competition for un-tuned kits. Audspeed, TSI, etc...Compare apples to apples (not knock-offs to apples)

All you need is one OBD1 car to buy your hardware kit and make a safe 350whp at half the price of a TT kit and you've got a winner.

i can be the guinea pig if you'd like michael.

my concern w/ the diy's is the tuning, not so much the parts, at least from my point of view. maybe you can follow boostlogic's approach...they sell quality hardware and let the customers decide their own tuning approach.

In techno we trust :worship:

i can be the guinea pig if you'd like michael.

my concern w/ the diy's is the tuning, not so much the parts, at least from my point of view. maybe you can follow boostlogic's approach...they sell quality hardware and let the customers decide their own tuning approach.
for OBD-I stuff now, tuning isn't a problem. for OBD-II cars I haven't touched that ECU yet. Only options there are TT or AA or standalone. I'm trying to make some progress in that direction though.

This is very interesting...

michael, that is good news. i'll be in touch with you...

for OBD-I stuff now, tuning isn't a problem. for OBD-II cars I haven't touched that ECU yet. Only options there are TT or AA or standalone. I'm trying to make some progress in that direction though.


just wanted to add that techno550 is a great guy and the manifold/wastegate setup is a good bang for your buck. I'm in the process of tuning with the greddy emanage ultimate on my 98 obdii 323is...

I agree I met Michael a while back and he is both a knowledgable and nice guy.

Hey mike,
Why not put out your current/previous pricing for those people that don't know and go from there.

Here's some feedback.

Your manifold and dump piping is great for the price! Kind of a pain in the ass to access the wastegate though. But I blame that on the 3" downpipe I fabbed.

There is no need to go with any wastegate bigger than 38mm. I'm running a GT35R and its more than sufficient to keep and hold a steady boost.

I guess what I am saying, MANY turbo DIYers aren't really educated or prepared for the road ahead of them. What would add value to your products would be educating them about the products they need, and products they want but are unnecessary.

Ie. I find 2.5 - 3" piping MORE than enough, no need to go 3.5

heh... I'm very seriously considering doing some sort of ghetto/low cost (relatively speaking) setup for my car. I find myself in a very different position from 99% of the people posting in this forum, in that I'm not looking for the parts that give the most power possible. I'm not going from thread to thread asking "how much hp will this give me". The idea of a turbo kit appeals to me because I plan on doing all of the work myself, as part of a learning experience... so basically, I'm looking for the cheapest parts possible and in the most simple (install-wise) setup (unfortunately, I live in Arizona, so it sounds like an intercooler would almost be a requirement to maintain reliability). Enough on the theory, let's talk numbers... a while back I had added up the prices for what seemed to be everything I needed to get a kit going from techno, and it came out to be $2200 or so. That was a very attractive price. I have more money than I did then, so we'll see...

I think you definitely need to put together a kit, find an OBD1 M3 or 325, and get it running properly with a good dyno, pics, and vids. You do need to have a price point somewhere south of what is already available to start off, but you can have an intro price for a set number of people to get some feedback and positive press, so to say. I am currently looking for options for my future turbo setup on my 95 330i, and I would absolutely love to be able to buy a kit from a guy like you. It would be awesome to buy from a knowledgeable and reputable forum member like you.
As far as specifics, I agree with much of what 325icintn says.
I am looking for 500-ish WHP, but would settle for 450. I know a lot of people shoot for less, but will want more at some point. So having parts that can be left in place, with just a couple upgrades to make bigger numbers, would be awesome. Is the manifold capable of taking a GT35r?
The motor mount is awesome, and maybe you can lower the price if you make a larger run at one time.
The piping for charge and IC should be fine. Pick a size that isn't a bottleneck and that you know will work on several models. Once you have proven that it works on a few different cars, you should have no problem selling it.
The wastegate size you had is fine. 38mm, right? What power/boost levels should that be sufficient for? Is that a limiting factor?
Same for the IC. At what levels do you see this becoming a bottleneck?

I really think you just need to get a couple cars that you can test fit stuff on and get running well, so you can iron out any bugs you might not have noticed before. Then you get lots of pics and vids, along with dynos and 1320 times for you-know-who, and come out with a bombshell thread here. I'm sure you could get a feature or two in Eurotuner, European Car, Roundel, or Bimmer.
So basically, what kind of power at what price range would your kit make on a 95 M3? Please PM me if you don't want to throw the info out here or if the numbers are guestimations or whatever. Whatever you do, I will definitely be rooting for you to succeed. And I may just be one of the first customers. :buttrock

WHY oh why must i own an obdII m3..... cry


+1 for techno great guy good prices solid work, keep it up man hopefully this crew speaks up for what they what. What do I want? You to learn the obdII ecu ;) or sell my car and buy an obdI :lol

heh... I'm very seriously considering doing some sort of ghetto/low cost (relatively speaking) setup for my car. I find myself in a very different position from 99% of the people posting in this forum, in that I'm not looking for the parts that give the most power possible. I'm not going from thread to thread asking "how much hp will this give me". The idea of a turbo kit appeals to me because I plan on doing all of the work myself, as part of a learning experience... so basically, I'm looking for the cheapest parts possible and in the most simple (install-wise) setup (unfortunately, I live in Arizona, so it sounds like an intercooler would almost be a requirement to maintain reliability). Enough on the theory, let's talk numbers... a while back I had added up the prices for what seemed to be everything I needed to get a kit going from techno, and it came out to be $2200 or so. That was a very attractive price. I have more money than I did then, so we'll see...

As cheap as you want it to be, one thing I seriously would not skimp on is tuning.

from your 2200 mark, things will add up though that you dont expect and you should account for. These things can include broken parts during installation, new exhaust gasket, studs and copper nuts, valve cover gasket, etc.

As cheap as you want it to be, one thing I seriously would not skimp on is tuning.

from your 2200 mark, things will add up though that you dont expect and you should account for. These things can include broken parts during installation, new exhaust gasket, studs and copper nuts, valve cover gasket, etc.

Yep, I understand. Tuning is the one thing i deliberately left out of the figure -- I'm willing to pay the price for good tuning. But that may not be as much of a problem if techno is planning on providing the tuning for the kit...!

Mike is a straight up good guy who will give you the best bang for the buck. I can vouch for his work and would not have any reservations when it comes to doing work on my car.

I have 100% faith in his abilities and good nature. As I'd mentioned before, I'd love to get a kit from him.

how is the software coming along for OBDI and for which applications is it being developed for?

how is the software coming along for OBDI and for which applications is it being developed for?

I'm curious about this as well.

count me in.

I can't see why there aren't people jumping all over this.

I can't see why there aren't people jumping all over this.

as for me, I'm waiting for techno to respond to my Q about tuning. plus i'd like to see details about the exact components for the kit before i "jump" on anything

Yeah, I meant jumping on the "give us more info" bandwagon

Techno,
I'd suggest not investing much time in the E36 market. The market has a lot of options now (multiple centri. S/C kits, 2 twin screw kits, 4 turbo kits). If you want some business, I'd attack the E46 market. The E46's have been out since 99 and no one has a good turbo kit available for them yet. I know there are tons of E46 guys looking to go turbo, but there are no kits available for them. I'd also love to see an E46 M3 turbo kit, but I know it would be pricey since you need an intake manifold as well since they are prone to cracking under boost.


Just some friendly advice,
Joe

I think for the money Techno is charging for these kits and/or components the market for the E36 is still strong. There are still alot of diehard E36 lovers out there that would buy a turbo kit. The car is getting cheaper and parts are becoming expendable. You can get a 95 M3 for under 10 grand or a regular e36 for much less, add 4 grand more and have a beast that will be reliable. The E46 as we all know is going to require alot of money for R&D by itself. The E36 did in its early stages. AA, ICS, Dinan, etc. also have the money and the backing to produce such kits and havent done so. Why? Money. Its very expensive to produce a reliable turbo kit for the E46. The E46 M3 has been around since 2001 and we are almost in 2007 and no kits have been produced by the companies that we can trust. If they were produced the cost would be astronomical to cover the R&D as well as the components associated with them. Look at the e39 M5. There are SC kits available but noone is knocking down AA's or Dinan's doors to get one.

how is the software coming along for OBDI and for which applications is it being developed for?

OBD1 Software is a done deal. I've shared my secret with michael along time ago. Now Its just a matter of implementation :redspot

tuning is the only thing that scares me with going turbo.

tuning is the only thing that scares me with going turbo.
+1 to that, man... and how if you change small things about the kit in any way, you've got to re-do the whole map! :shifty

OBD1 Software is a done deal. I've shared my secret with michael along time ago. Now Its just a matter of implementation:redspot
Elaborate on this idea... how easy are you saying it is to create new maps for a specific application?

I'd suggest not investing much time in the E36 market. The market has a lot of options now (multiple centri. S/C kits, 2 twin screw kits, 4 turbo kits). If you want some business, I'd attack the E46 market. Judging from the prices and parts he offered on previous GBs, I believe techno is going for a different market than most other kits. First of all, he's been selling individual parts, allowing a greater DIY element. Also, the total price of these kits has been significantly less than anything else out there... anything. There are many people looking to go FI but are turned off by $4000-10,000 price tags.

[QUOTE=BlufireAlso, the total price of these kits has been significantly less than anything else out there... anything. There are many people looking to go FI but are turned off by $4000-10,000 price tags.[/QUOTE]

If that was true, why is Techno having such a hard time selling parts?

If that was true, why is Techno having such a hard time selling parts?

I imagine selling turbo parts is hard no matter what... plus there's the lack of discussion on software options. We'll see.

If that was true, why is Techno having such a hard time selling parts?

A lot of people are looking to get complete kits. Most of the time it is very difficult to piece everything together to get a complete and reliable kit. Plus a lot of his parts besides his manifold aren't widely used yet. Hopefully I can change that and show everyone that everything from his manifold to his tuning works great. I should have my turbo kit complete by late september or early october and have a dyno chart for you guys after the install.

A lot of people are looking to get complete kits. Most of the time it is very difficult to piece everything together to get a complete and reliable kit. Plus a lot of his parts besides his manifold aren't widely used yet. Hopefully I can change that and show everyone that everything from his manifold to his tuning works great. I should have my turbo kit complete by late september or early october and have a dyno chart for you guys after the install.

How did you get your tuning done? Did techno do it remotely for you?

How did you get your tuning done? Did techno do it remotely for you?

It's pretty much gonna be done by remote tuning. He is going to give me a base map then I will dyno or send him my AFRs or something like that. Nothing is set yet. Techno and I have only talked about it. I hope to get all my parts and start the project early september. I'll let everyone know how the tuning goes then.

It's pretty much gonna be done by remote tuning. He is going to give me a base map then I will dyno or send him my AFRs or something like that. Nothing is set yet. Techno and I have only talked about it. I hope to get all my parts and start the project early september. I'll let everyone know how the tuning goes then.

Looking forward to it.. that would be a good setup.

I have a few cars running around that i've tuned. RJ's325its and mine are both tuned by me.

Perhaps Rafa can post more pics and such of the car/install, as well as give feedback on the state of the tune. (its still just the *initial basemap* based off of my 325, but adjusted for the different MAF and injectors.)
That car is essentially what a "stage 1" bolt on kit would be, including the motor mount, manifold, turbo, and charge pipes.

Techno, did you get my email? Could you respond to it when you have a chance? TIA!

OBD1 Software is a done deal. I've shared my secret with michael along time ago. Now Its just a matter of implementation :redspot
secrets and implementation? I had the base stuff of the 413 sorted a long time ago. I've also been running on my software in one form or another for nearly 2 years now.

Precious few have jumped in to help even after the "here's basically everything I know and all that is really needed to understand how to tune with the 413" threads. It's definately a well understood quantity now, save for a few *minor details* which I think I may have recently figured out.

Techno, did you get my email? Could you respond to it when you have a chance? TIA!
Sorry for the delays. I will respond to PM's/emails shortly. I was working all weekend instructing. I'll probably be crawling in bed and passing out in a few minutes, so the replys might be more like tomorrow morning (or tomorrow afternoon if I'm lucky. :) )

techno, what all do u have availible as far as turbo setups go? is there a link or something that i'm missing?

Precious few have jumped in to help even after the "here's basically everything I know and all that is really needed to understand how to tune with the 413" threads. It's definately a well understood quantity now, save for a few *minor details* which I think I may have recently figured out.
He certainly did give alot of us a headstart, though there are still details to work out for the DIYer's.

I will be glad to see Techno550 rewarded for his hard work. I know he'll get some of my business.

MMc, please don't forget us little guys and go the way of the big tuners on this forum. Yeah they get to charge an outrageous profit margin on tuning, but more open source tuning means more people buying parts. Seriously, it's the smart economics from someone who's mastered it. (M.Sci. Econ - '98). As you can see, most don't really want to tune their cars, so you'll still have the tuning business, too.

As for everyone else asking questions about what's up with tuning, it's almost all already out there. What do you want? Some sort of magical software? If you want to be spoon fed, then pay NickG or Karl (or Techno550). If you really want it for yourself, then roll up your sleeves and open your eyes. No one likes freerider! (I'm kind of an a-hole tonight :eek:)

And as I saw in somebody's sig on this forum: "Paying someone to do all of the work on your car and feeling proud when it runs a fast time is like paying someone to screw your wife and feeling proud when she has his baby"

And as I saw in somebody's sig on this forum: "Paying someone to do all of the work on your car and feeling proud when it runs a fast time is like paying someone to screw your wife and feeling proud when she has his baby"

:buttrock :buttrock :buttrock

A lot of people are looking to get complete kits. Most of the time it is very difficult to piece everything together to get a complete and reliable kit. Plus a lot of his parts besides his manifold aren't widely used yet. Hopefully I can change that and show everyone that everything from his manifold to his tuning works great. I should have my turbo kit complete by late september or early october and have a dyno chart for you guys after the install.
Absolutely! :smoke3 Do you guys remember all the crazy demand when the Midnight Autojerks thread came out about a T3 kit for like $3999? It was $4999 with special PnP(cough bulls$%&) Emanage but lets leave the tuning out for now.

A lot of guys don't want to deal with finding a competent welder to do piping, find and sort all of the clamps, connectors, fittings, drain/feed lines, etc.

I vote for a full T3 turbo system with IC, piping, BOV, sc61 turbo, the works to bolt right on other than tuning. If a feeler thread was started with a picture of a full bolt-on kit with all that stuff, I will bet you people will flock!!! And now with guys like Dredder offering to burn software chips...there is no better time for this than the present!

I agree with slvr98 M's post 100%. All the kids that want to tune an M3 and don't want to be in the Japanese car crowd are purchasing cheap used m3s and want some cheap boost!:buttrock

And as I saw in somebody's sig on this forum: "Paying someone to do all of the work on your car and feeling proud when it runs a fast time is like paying someone to screw your wife and feeling proud when she has his baby"
I admit that I laugh at that sig cause I have a good sense of humor...but taken seriously it is a little hardcore. Fine for one person to have an opinion but to put it out there like that to others is not the coolest. Sorta like the Jahoba Witnesses waking my ass up in the morning only to tell me we who aren't JW are all going to hell. Yeah, thanks, I still don't want to join your cult. I mean where does it stop? Should I feel like a loser and think the same about the guys that built my house? Should I have built my own house? Should I not be proud of my house because that's like "paying someone to do all of the work on your house and feeling proud when it gets in archetectural digest is like paying someone to screw your wife and feeling proud when she has his baby?" Anyway, if I spent that much time in the garage then I might not be able to afford a place with a garage, probably wouldn't have a wonderful family and would be worrying about paying for my next meal...let alone even own a BMW. Hey, it's expensive to live in Cali man. :(

As for everyone else asking questions about what's up with tuning, it's almost all already out there. What do you want? Some sort of magical software? If you want to be spoon fed, then pay NickG or Karl (or Techno550). If you really want it for yourself, then roll up your sleeves and open your eyes. No one likes freerider! (I'm kind of an a-hole tonight)

Haven't been hanging aroudn the FI forums for too long, there's no way I could have known the state of the tuning. I don't have the tools, the knowledge, or the time to tune it myself, that's why I was asking about the tuning -- i had thought the idea was to pay for it, not sure how else i'd go about obtaining it. :cool

Haven't been hanging aroudn the FI forums for too long, there's no way I could have known the state of the tuning. I don't have the tools, the knowledge, or the time to tune it myself, that's why I was asking about the tuning -- i had thought the idea was to pay for it, not sure how else i'd go about obtaining it. :cool

My "spoon-fed" comment was a little too strong. I'll leave it in the post above for literary effect and let this post serve as the "chill pill".

Nothing wrong with paying for tuning. It all depends on how much you want to know and how much time/$ you want to invest
Paying Techno550 to give a base map and remote tune is just another very fine option.

right now i'm on my way to do a diy kit, right now all i have is the motor mount, turbo, and turbo manifold which i just sent payment to technno, by the way just wondering when that thing gets ship, just shoot me a pm, thanks, so i'm definately interested in everything else you have to offer that i dont have.

right now i'm on my way to do a diy kit, right now all i have is the motor mount, turbo, and turbo manifold which i just sent payment to technno, by the way just wondering when that thing gets ship, just shoot me a pm, thanks, so i'm definately interested in everything else you have to offer that i dont have.
See? Told you? :) People want it all. And now that Techno, Dredder and others can tune the stock DME...we have arrived!

Techno...I dare you to do a piping kit with IC and everything...then take a picture with it all connected on the floor like that MA kit. Then do a thread with a poll for interest and see if I am wrong. People respect you so you already have trust. I want you to succeed and I believe people won't really come forward until they actually see pics of a full kit. :buttrock

totally true, if you could get people over the fear of diy, so many people would buy.

My "spoon-fed" comment was a little too strong. I'll leave it in the post above for literary effect and let this post serve as the "chill pill".

Nothing wrong with paying for tuning. It all depends on how much you want to know and how much time/$ you want to invest
Paying Techno550 to give a base map and remote tune is just another very fine option.

I'll add to this as well. Technos prices will be very VERY fair and I don't think anyone can really complain about the price he will be offereing to the public.

See? Told you? :) People want it all. And now that Techno, Dredder and others can tune the stock DME...we have arrived!

Techno...I dare you to do a piping kit with IC and everything...then have it all connected on the floor like that MA kit. Then do a thread with a poll for interest and see if I am wrong. People respect you so yo already have trust. I want you to succeed and I believe people won't really come forward until they actually see pics of a full kit. :buttrock


Ya, I think this is onto something. I should preface these comments by saying im a noob, and just started researching turbos. (Although a LARGE majority of my last week has been spent the FI forum)

It seems to me much of your distress revolves around your inability to offer a product to the large market you see on these forums for a cheap, quality DIY turbo kit. I think in general there is a large market of potential DIY tubro'ers so lets call that a given. Therefore your problem is reaching these people, as you stated, at a price point reflective of their individual wants while still turning a profit.

There are plenty of trends around here... I think its obvious ppl in general are going to go cheaper on some things and more expensive on others. I would work on generating "Bimmerforum.com kits" so to speak. It seems to be the general conscensus that DIY's are going to go for the Ebay IC, would love the convienence of ready to install piping, and dont like tuning. So an expensive IC isnt going to cut it. The majority of this thread has been commited to tuning, so thats enough said. As highboost said if you do a thread and a poll I think you could come up with 2-3 different configurations that people would be happy with in general. I really dont think a one size fits all will work around here. The different kits would work well to, if you could offer 1/2 a kit, and a full kit. As a consumer, I am automatically predisposed to want everything I can get for the least amount of money. Unfortunately this is human nature. You have to let the bottom line decide how far you can go. Things like wastegates, when ppl want different sizes? I say screw em. you cannot create a kit for everyone. Still some will rather peice it together with some used parts, etc etc and try to save some money.

Are you trying to make this into a group buy? In theory a group buy is alot like a kit, but banding 20 ppl together to buy at once and ship and once is not realistic to me, at this magnitude.

I dont really know if this helps, but felt as a potential consumer i would give me 2 cents. I would like to see such a kit come to market. What do I envision as my turbo kit so far? A gt35r, Highboostingm3's sick manifold, rebuilt head w/low compression hg, stock dme, custom ics tune (thank god they are in the northeast), etc etc etc. But would I go with something that would give me the same output, for less money, and the bonus of an easy install? Better believe it.

If there was any turbo kit I could find that would give me 350 rwhp on my 95 m3 and would be at or under 5000 installed, I would buy one in a second. I think the responses to the midnight thread proved there would be dozens of people who would jump on that. We have the best handling cars out there, but with the newest cars getting faster and faster we just need a little more oomph.

let us know if you have any updates or start new threads for potential interest techno, plz.

TIt seems to be the general conscensus that DIY's are going to go for the Ebay IC, would love the convienence of ready to install piping, and dont like tuning.
DIY tuning has not been an option until very recently (a few months at most). So no one knows whether BF'c members "like to tune".

Welcome aboard though. :D

DIY tuning has not been an option until very recently (a few months at most). So no one knows whether BF'c members "like to tune".

Welcome aboard though. :D


thanks. Its nice to know im gettin in on the ground floor. A kit like this would be very good for both parties, I'd like to see it happen.

If there was any turbo kit I could find that would give me 350 rwhp on my 95 m3 and would be at or under 5000 installed, I would buy one in a second. I think the responses to the midnight thread proved there would be dozens of people who would jump on that. We have the best handling cars out there, but with the newest cars getting faster and faster we just need a little more oomph.

heh. I'm not looking for ridiculous gains, i'd be happy with 60-80hp. A lot of it is the DIY aspect that appeals to me.

heh. I'm not looking for ridiculous gains, i'd be happy with 60-80hp. A lot of it is the DIY aspect that appeals to me.

See I want to do hg and be in the mid 400's... as techno stated, this is one of his problems... 3 ppl have posted and all 3 want different "kits"

btw, go into the tried and true FI section sticky: 350whp is no where near ridiculous on this board :-p

350whp is no where near ridiculous on this board :-p
but 704 rwhp is! :eyecrazy

Everyone wanting something different is definately still a problem. My standard charge pipes are 2 inch. Some will want 2.5 or 3 inch. For tuning, I've done software for stock compression 2.5's and 3.2's, some with 3 inch HFM's, some with 3.5's, and using injectors from 28 lb/hr, 30 lb/hr, 42 lb/hr and 50 lb/hr.
When jumping to different turbos, not all put everything in the same place. So a universal exhaust might be possible, but each setup would need a different downpipe. Or different wastegate pipes or locations. Or different something.

So if I do a "kit" again, it will be one or two setups and that's it. Mixing and matching between the kit components will probably be as extreme as I'd want to go. one with my "small" turbo, like on my car or rafa's car, and one "big" turbo like on bbaz's car. Those are the same two I've listed in my GB's.

I need to get back to work on the charge pipes and then make my final decisions on the IC sizes so I can make whatever bracketry and end tank modifications necessary.

but 704 rwhp is! :eyecrazy
:buttrock

I just want to know the price for a turbo setup for my 92 E34 525i w. non vanos M50. I am dying to turbocharge this car

Everyone wanting something different is definately still a problem. My standard charge pipes are 2 inch. Some will want 2.5 or 3 inch. For tuning, I've done software for stock compression 2.5's and 3.2's, some with 3 inch HFM's, some with 3.5's, and using injectors from 28 lb/hr, 30 lb/hr, 42 lb/hr and 50 lb/hr.
When jumping to different turbos, not all put everything in the same place. So a universal exhaust might be possible, but each setup would need a different downpipe. Or different wastegate pipes or locations. Or different something.

So if I do a "kit" again, it will be one or two setups and that's it. Mixing and matching between the kit components will probably be as extreme as I'd want to go. one with my "small" turbo, like on my car or rafa's car, and one "big" turbo like on bbaz's car. Those are the same two I've listed in my GB's.

I need to get back to work on the charge pipes and then make my final decisions on the IC sizes so I can make whatever bracketry and end tank modifications necessary.

so nothing in the works for 3.0's or low compression? :( (sigh) Wait u use a 3.0 hfm rather than 3.5, which you use with an intake kit or cams? Why? Also even if you cant build a whole kit to make everyone happy, I would make Cheap IC kits with piping (and maybe motor mounts and manifold?) all in 1 package, for ppl that want to do there own thing but would rather not screw with custom piping.

Everyone wanting something different is definately still a problem. My standard charge pipes are 2 inch. Some will want 2.5 or 3 inch. For tuning, I've done software for stock compression 2.5's and 3.2's, some with 3 inch HFM's, some with 3.5's, and using injectors from 28 lb/hr, 30 lb/hr, 42 lb/hr and 50 lb/hr.
When jumping to different turbos, not all put everything in the same place. So a universal exhaust might be possible, but each setup would need a different downpipe. Or different wastegate pipes or locations. Or different something.

So if I do a "kit" again, it will be one or two setups and that's it. Mixing and matching between the kit components will probably be as extreme as I'd want to go. one with my "small" turbo, like on my car or rafa's car, and one "big" turbo like on bbaz's car. Those are the same two I've listed in my GB's.

I need to get back to work on the charge pipes and then make my final decisions on the IC sizes so I can make whatever bracketry and end tank modifications necessary.

I'm down for 2 inch piping, it's good enough for me. :D Will be eager to hear what you end up working out in terms of the details. Keep us posted.

I just want to know the price for a turbo setup for my 92 E34 525i w. non vanos M50. I am dying to turbocharge this car


This thread is to help techno understand what the market (aka B.F.com) is looking to get in such a kit. Asking him for a price on a kit not in existence does not help this thread, nor does it help you get a cheap turbo kit from him any faster.

Everyone wanting something different is definately still a problem. My standard charge pipes are 2 inch. Some will want 2.5 or 3 inch. For tuning, I've done software for stock compression 2.5's and 3.2's, some with 3 inch HFM's, some with 3.5's, and using injectors from 28 lb/hr, 30 lb/hr, 42 lb/hr and 50 lb/hr.
When jumping to different turbos, not all put everything in the same place. So a universal exhaust might be possible, but each setup would need a different downpipe. Or different wastegate pipes or locations. Or different something.

So if I do a "kit" again, it will be one or two setups and that's it. Mixing and matching between the kit components will probably be as extreme as I'd want to go. one with my "small" turbo, like on my car or rafa's car, and one "big" turbo like on bbaz's car. Those are the same two I've listed in my GB's.

I need to get back to work on the charge pipes and then make my final decisions on the IC sizes so I can make whatever bracketry and end tank modifications necessary.

Here's an idea -- how about just listing all the components you are considering offering as part of kits, and then having people vote on what they want to see, and then average the results? I'm sure there's a middle ground to be reached if there are 2 setups. Or just simple "low" and "high" setups would work fine for most people...

Everyone wanting something different is definately still a problem. My standard charge pipes are 2 inch. Some will want 2.5 or 3 inch. For tuning, I've done software for stock compression 2.5's and 3.2's, some with 3 inch HFM's, some with 3.5's, and using injectors from 28 lb/hr, 30 lb/hr, 42 lb/hr and 50 lb/hr.
When jumping to different turbos, not all put everything in the same place. So a universal exhaust might be possible, but each setup would need a different downpipe. Or different wastegate pipes or locations. Or different something.

So if I do a "kit" again, it will be one or two setups and that's it. Mixing and matching between the kit components will probably be as extreme as I'd want to go. one with my "small" turbo, like on my car or rafa's car, and one "big" turbo like on bbaz's car. Those are the same two I've listed in my GB's.

I need to get back to work on the charge pipes and then make my final decisions on the IC sizes so I can make whatever bracketry and end tank modifications necessary.
Maybe do a thread with a poll on what people want.
Turbo size?
Piping size?
IC size?
Downpipe size?
Wastegate size?

The most efficient and the most popular IMO are these.

Turbo size: 0.82 TO4S, 0.82 sc61, 0.82 GT35R (all same size so doesn't effect piping)
Piping size: 2"-2.5" coupler for 2.5" piping to IC. 3" piping from IC to TB (this is arguably the best since nobody needs CardCounter power for these prices anyway so no need for full 3")
IC size: 20-22"x10"x3" core
Downpipe size: 3"
Wastegate size: 38mm Tial

There. Make a kit like that. Put it together. Take pictures of it together. Start a thread to see if there is interest with a price.

Just trying to help.

Here's an idea -- how about just listing all the components you are considering offering as part of kits, and then having people vote on what they want to see, and then average the results? I'm sure there's a middle ground to be reached if there are 2 setups. Or just simple "low" and "high" setups would work fine for most people...

I think its much harder than that to get enough ppl to buy a kit and make it profitable. A low and high kit, even with people voting, is way too opinionated. From these last few posts you can tell some ppl's low is 75 (over stock whp), some is 150, some ppls high is 100, others is 450+ :buttrock

but i do think some sort of voting thread with an entire list of components would help to get this on track. I'm still convinced the way to make this profitable is partial kits along with the standard full kits, as to reach the DIY market and the ppl who want a box of stuff sent to their house so they can have someone else install it.

I think its much harder than that to get enough ppl to buy a kit and make it profitable. A low and high kit, even with people voting, is way too opinionated. From these last few posts you can tell some ppl's low is 75 (over stock whp), some is 150, some ppls high is 100, others is 450+ :buttrock

but i do think some sort of voting thread with an entire list of components would help to get this on track. I'm still convinced the way to make this profitable is partial kits along with the standard full kits, as to reach the DIY market and the ppl who want a box of stuff sent to their house so they can have someone else install it.

Of course it's pure opinion, but in the end techno's going to put his foot down and choose the components anyways. A poll would at least steer him in the right direction. If people don't like the choices, they can go another route, but I think that with techno's expertise and fitment of all the piping and equipment, it will be a very attractive option indeed.

edit: it's probably a tad bit optimistic to expect 450rwhp from the low-budget kits we're talking about here...

The most efficient and the most popular IMO are these.

Turbo size: 0.82 TO4S, 0.82 sc61, 0.82 GT35R (all same size so doesn't effect piping)
Piping size: 2"-2.5" coupler for 2.5" piping to IC. 3" piping from IC to TB (this is arguably the best since nobody needs CardCounter power for these prices anyway so no need for full 3")
IC size: 20-22"x10"x3" core
Downpipe size: 3"
Wastegate size: 38mm Tial



I agree. Almost everyone rocks something along these lines. And making it compatible with diff turbos would be really clutch.

I would want 2.5 or bigger piping pretty much all the way around. I would also like kit to include everything but the head gasket, studs, and I wouldn't be terribly upset if it didn't have intercooler piping, although I would prefer it. If all those turbos bolt up the same, I wouldn't even need the turbo. I personally would leave it to the experts to decide which turbo and wastegate would be best.

As far as numbers go, I personally would be happy with anything over 300 to the wheels. I am very interested as I was getting ready to start buying individual components.

Of course it's pure opinion, but in the end techno's going to put his foot down and choose the components anyways. A poll would at least steer him in the right direction. If people don't like the choices, they can go another route, but I think that with techno's expertise and fitment of all the piping and equipment, it will be a very attractive option indeed.

edit: it's probably a tad bit optimistic to expect 450rwhp from the low-budget kits we're talking about here...

I totally agreed with the poll idea :D

I thought we were talking about the generic idea of tailoring kits to DIY'ers. If most DIY'ers want 150+ hp gains, i think making a kit tailored to the few that are looking for small gains would be a large mistake. If ppl dont like the choices, Techno wont sell any and will be back where he began, starting threads asking us what we really want. Honestly, I dont really know what most ppl are looking for. I know Im not putting a turbo on for 75-100 hp. I would rather go N/A and gain 50-60.

And check this out, its entirely feasible to get 500+ hp out of a "lower" (I wont call it low) budget kit.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=574988

for charge pipes, 2 inch pipes is actually plenty. Most will want 2.5 though, and some 3. For turbos, The T04E compressor cover based turbos like the *small* one i like to use has a 2 inch outlet and 3 inch inlet. Works great with my 3 inch MAF and 2 inch charge pipes. ;)
The T04S covers with the 4 inch inlets and 2.5 inch outlets complicates things a touch, but doesn't make anything impossible. Hence the "A" and "B" kit plan. making a 2 inch turbo to IC pipe, and making a similar 2.5 inch turbo to IC pipe would be trivial. For the IC to TB, that will probably be a 2.5 or 3 inch pipe for both kits.

The intercooler I am using currently is a 28x9x2 (core is 9x20). it fits behind the stock non-M bumber and clears the aux fan. Most will probably say this is too small too though. :stickoutt

for charge pipes, 2 inch pipes is actually plenty. Most will want 2.5 though, and some 3. For turbos, The T04E compressor cover based turbos like the *small* one i like to use has a 2 inch outlet and 3 inch inlet. Works great with my 3 inch MAF and 2 inch charge pipes. ;)
The T04S covers with the 4 inch inlets and 2.5 inch outlets complicates things a touch, but doesn't make anything impossible. Hence the "A" and "B" kit plan. making a 2 inch turbo to IC pipe, and making a similar 2.5 inch turbo to IC pipe would be trivial. For the IC to TB, that will probably be a 2.5 or 3 inch pipe for both kits.

The intercooler I am using currently is a 28x9x2 (core is 9x20). it fits behind the stock non-M bumber and clears the aux fan. Most will probably say this is too small too though. :stickoutt

excellent! sounds good. yes, I think all that is plenty, but that's just me :cool

for charge pipes, 2 inch pipes is actually plenty. Most will want 2.5 though, and some 3. For turbos, The T04E compressor cover based turbos like the *small* one i like to use has a 2 inch outlet and 3 inch inlet. Works great with my 3 inch MAF and 2 inch charge pipes. ;)
The T04S covers with the 4 inch inlets and 2.5 inch outlets complicates things a touch, but doesn't make anything impossible. Hence the "A" and "B" kit plan. making a 2 inch turbo to IC pipe, and making a similar 2.5 inch turbo to IC pipe would be trivial. For the IC to TB, that will probably be a 2.5 or 3 inch pipe for both kits.

The intercooler I am using currently is a 28x9x2 (core is 9x20). it fits behind the stock non-M bumber and clears the aux fan. Most will probably say this is too small too though. :stickoutt
Good work! Now the thing to realize here (and I know you know what works fine with math, but humor me and everyone else) is that people want what they think is best. It is a waste of time telling people what you know works better cause then it's an argument that gets solved by you not making the sale which is exactly what we don't want. People are thick headed so let's just give them what they want and you can put money in the pocket rather than start new threads. ;) SO...

If I were you, I would go 2.5" to IC and 3" from IC to TB. People will all be happy with that, you can just get a 2"-2.5" coupler for the TO4E turbo and the TO4S will bolt right up. Also, a 4"-3" coupler will work fine for the inlet of the TO4S so you can have 3" intake piping for 3" HFM..win win win..

There you go! One piping setup for multiple turbochargers! Downpipe stays same cause just make sure all turbos have the 4-bolt 0.82 a/r.

Done. Anything else for me?

I think most of the people that look into a "budget" kit arent extremely knowledgable (sp) about building their own kit. I honestly wouldnt know where to start and I would probably kill myself in the process. As far as expectations go I would be looking for somewhere around 300whp. You would know better than most people what parts to use and what size pipes would work better. I would be content with whatever you put together because I know you have alot of experience with turbos. I would offer a stage one kit and a stage two kit. I think most parts should be interchangable so it would be easy to upgrade from stage one to the stage two kit. Im not sure how easy or hard that would be to do but it sounds good to me. Another major thing that people will look for when buying a turbo kit is how complete it is. This is number one in my book. I would want to buy a kit that comes with EVERY little part that will be needed to bolt everything together. A nice set of instructions would be nice too. I think what makes people lean towards certain kits are how they are presented. I would choose a kit that looks more complete as opposed to a kit that looks like it will be missing any parts.

Im not sure if this helps or anything but I am one of those people looking for a "budget" kit and that is how I feel. I am very interested in this kit you are putting together so get it going dammit. Good Luck.

Bottom line, the prices you've set or not set are not why your products aren't selling, nor is the problem lack of demand. You need three things:

A) A catalog (on your website, of systems and a la carte pieces for the DIYer)
B) Pictures of your merchandise (dyno charts?)
C) A salesperson to answer email, take payments, and pack and ship parts. (You may have to pay them real money instead of parts, lol)

Rule number one of selling anything: "You've got to see it to sell it."

Luckily, you have a great product and a great reputation, unlike a lot of vendors who do well on this forum. The thing is, they have what you lack, which is a flashy website, loudmouthed salespeople, and online catalog/ordering.

I think most of the people that look into a "budget" kit arent extremely knowledgable (sp) about building their own kit. I honestly wouldnt know where to start and I would probably kill myself in the process. As far as expectations go I would be looking for somewhere around 300whp. You would know better than most people what parts to use and what size pipes would work better. I would be content with whatever you put together because I know you have alot of experience with turbos. I would offer a stage one kit and a stage two kit. I think most parts should be interchangable so it would be easy to upgrade from stage one to the stage two kit. Im not sure how easy or hard that would be to do but it sounds good to me. Another major thing that people will look for when buying a turbo kit is how complete it is. This is number one in my book. I would want to buy a kit that comes with EVERY little part that will be needed to bolt everything together. A nice set of instructions would be nice too. I think what makes people lean towards certain kits are how they are presented. I would choose a kit that looks more complete as opposed to a kit that looks like it will be missing any parts.

Im not sure if this helps or anything but I am one of those people looking for a "budget" kit and that is how I feel. I am very interested in this kit you are putting together so get it going dammit. Good Luck.
This is a good post, too. Do what he said and develop a couple kits. Come up with a good upgrade path between them. Put one on my e30 :buttrock

Turbo size: 0.82 TO4S, 0.82 sc61, 0.82 GT35R (all same size so doesn't effect piping)
Piping size: 2"-2.5" coupler for 2.5" piping to IC. 3" piping from IC to TB (this is arguably the best since nobody needs CardCounter power for these prices anyway so no need for full 3")
IC size: 20-22"x10"x3" core
Downpipe size: 3"
Wastegate size: 38mm Tial


While a kit with a gt35 is a great idea, wouldn't all of the above turbos drive the price of this alleged budget kit up? I thought we were looking for 330whp-400whp here.

For a stg2 kit, I'm all for the sc61 or gt35.

While a kit with a gt35 is a great idea, wouldn't all of the above turbos drive the price of this alleged budget kit up? I thought we were looking for 330whp-400whp here.

For a stg2 kit, I'm all for the sc61 or gt35.

What turbo would you envision on a stage 1 kit?

I think you need to market to guys like me. I have a good understanding of how engines, turbos, fuel systems, etc. work, but not enough knowledge to know what is the right turbo for my goal, how big of an IC I need, what size piping will be sufficient, and so on. There are just too many choices for someone with too little knowledge. I know what most of these turbos are capable of supporting, as far as cfm relative to hp level, and I know I would like a fairly good size IC, but at what point does it become overkill? I'm shooting for 450-500 WHP, and I am beefing the motor up with 8.8:1 forged pistons, pauter rods, ARP studs for main, head, and rods, ferrea valves, springs, retainers, and seats, very slight port and polish. Mine is also an S50, so OBD 1. If you had two "kits", at 300 whp and 450 whp levels, I think you would sell a bunch, provided you have some pics, videos, and possibly dynos. Then there would be the ultimate in proof: Videos and time slips from the track. If you developed it to the point that the piping was the same size on both kits, same mani, same intercooler, bov, etc., so that you wouldn't have to change too many parts between stage 1 and stage 2, you could keep it quite cost effective for your own manufacturing/stocking situation. Basically, I think that Cameron, ciffy, and Matt all have very good points. And is the DME tuning for OBD1 by chip? Or could someone partner up and offer Megasquirt setups with your kit? I ask because my engine will be slightly different from others, since I would (hopefully) be able to up the boost due to the stronger internals. In any case, I really can't wait to see what you do. And I really really hope you come out with a kit, or at least do some business with me. I know I can trust you to sell me the right stuff. That's the edge you have here. You aren't a faceless corporation selling stuff to BMW owners. You're a very knowledgeable BMW enthusiast selling go-faster goodies to your fellow BMW enthusiasts. Much respect.

Also, in an hour and a half, I turn 28. Are you having a "Tim's birthday" sale on anything? :D

What turbo would you envision on a stage 1 kit?
I dunno much about this turbo, but it seems to do fine in the TT kit, so I was thinking T3/T4 60-1.

I'd be all for the GT30r, for 330-400(+) whp, but IIRC it's not that much cheaper than a gt35(?).

I dunno much about this turbo, but it seems to do fine in the TT kit, so I was thinking T3/T4 60-1.

I'd be all for the GT30r, for 330-400(+) whp, but IIRC it's not that much cheaper than a gt35(?).

:eatpop:

I'm just waiting for the end result...in Techno i trust.

I dunno much about this turbo, but it seems to do fine in the TT kit, so I was thinking T3/T4 60-1.

I'd be all for the GT30r, for 330-400(+) whp, but IIRC it's not that much cheaper than a gt35(?).

Google tells me the GT30R goes for roughly $1200-1500... that would kill the price of the original kit, which was around $2200. We'll see what he has cooking this time around though..

I've been really happy with the turbos I have selected for the BMW's I put together. The "stage 1" turbo will be a T3/T4. The "stage 2" will be a T3/T4 of another flavor. The stage 1 turbo is very well suited for the 400hp range. The stage 2 turbo is what I spec for things shooting for a smooth drivable 600hp.

I know, I still need pictures and video and timeslips and such. I'm working on the charge pipe situation again. Should have numbers on that soon hopefully.

I'll have to figure out when I can make it out to a drag strip. I dunno what sort of 1/4 mile time it'll manage given the suspension on it at present, but the mph should be decent for a stock 2.5L motor. :)

Can someone share me with the pricing for a Stage II Kit? I didn't really see it in this thread...

While a kit with a gt35 is a great idea, wouldn't all of the above turbos drive the price of this alleged budget kit up? I thought we were looking for 330whp-400whp here.

For a stg2 kit, I'm all for the sc61 or gt35.
Well I just threw that out there to help cause not too many people were really putting up specific things that the largest target market would want. You can't please everyone so you have to come up with a way to make a kit where there is one piping design with one intercooler size and one wastegate size but two turbos sizes. Then I went on to help more here.

Good work! Now the thing to realize here (and I know you know what works fine with math, but humor me and everyone else) is that people want what they think is best. It is a waste of time telling people what you know works better cause then it's an argument that gets solved by you not making the sale which is exactly what we don't want. People are thick headed so let's just give them what they want and you can put money in the pocket rather than start new threads. ;) SO...

If I were you, I would go 2.5" to IC and 3" from IC to TB. People will all be happy with that, you can just get a 2"-2.5" coupler for the TO4E turbo and the TO4S will bolt right up. Also, a 4"-3" coupler will work fine for the inlet of the TO4S so you can have 3" intake piping for 3" HFM..win win win..

There you go! One piping setup for multiple turbochargers! Downpipe stays same cause just make sure all turbos have the 4-bolt 0.82 a/r.

Done. Anything else for me?
I've been really happy with the turbos I have selected for the BMW's I put together. The "stage 1" turbo will be a T3/T4. The "stage 2" will be a T3/T4 of another flavor. The stage 1 turbo is very well suited for the 400hp range. The stage 2 turbo is what I spec for things shooting for a smooth drivable 600hp.

I know, I still need pictures and video and timeslips and such. I'm working on the charge pipe situation again. Should have numbers on that soon hopefully.

I'll have to figure out when I can make it out to a drag strip. I dunno what sort of 1/4 mile time it'll manage given the suspension on it at present, but the mph should be decent for a stock 2.5L motor. :)

This is great! Sounds like progress! Can't wait to see pictures. I hope that I helped some. :wave

:eatpop:

I'm just waiting for the end result...in Techno i trust.

+1

I've been really happy with the turbos I have selected for the BMW's I put together. The "stage 1" turbo will be a T3/T4. The "stage 2" will be a T3/T4 of another flavor. The stage 1 turbo is very well suited for the 400hp range. The stage 2 turbo is what I spec for things shooting for a smooth drivable 600hp.
:)

You are a wonderful person.

Well I just threw that out there to help cause not too many people were really putting up specific things that the largest target market would want. You can't please everyone so you have to come up with a way to make a kit where there is one piping design with one intercooler size and one wastegate size but two turbos sizes. Then I went on to help more here.


Hey man, you certainly were helpful! Just funny how sc61 and gt35 managed to find their way into one of your posts again:stickoutt Always going big!

You've seen talladeega nights? Cam just "wants to go fast"!

Mmmmmm 600hp :drool:
I'll be waiting for the pricing on stage 2. Though I may just go with stage 1, get used to driving a high-power beast, and then upgrade to stage 2 when I am ready. :buttrock

I've been really happy with the turbos I have selected for the BMW's I put together. The "stage 1" turbo will be a T3/T4. The "stage 2" will be a T3/T4 of another flavor. The stage 1 turbo is very well suited for the 400hp range. The stage 2 turbo is what I spec for things shooting for a smooth drivable 600hp.

I know, I still need pictures and video and timeslips and such. I'm working on the charge pipe situation again. Should have numbers on that soon hopefully.

I'll have to figure out when I can make it out to a drag strip. I dunno what sort of 1/4 mile time it'll manage given the suspension on it at present, but the mph should be decent for a stock 2.5L motor. :)

When would you hit max boost in the stage one or stage two with a 2.5L?

When would you hit max boost in the stage one or stage two with a 2.5L?

More like, when would it hit in a 2.9L? :devillook

Just read techno's thread on decoding the 413. WOW. I've got a bit of a CS background so I'm looking into this further and am writing my own little table parser thing... very interesting! Everyone should check that thread out.

price on stage one kit with intercooler piping for mcoupe obd2 of course ....my credit card hasnt been used in awhile :lol:

The intercooler I am using currently is a 28x9x2 (core is 9x20). it fits behind the stock non-M bumber and clears the aux fan. Most will probably say this is too small too though. :stickoutt

http://www.kilander-racing.se/gallery/Pictures/338_2/PICT0367.JPG

Anything less then this will simply not due!!!:stickoutt

http://www.kilander-racing.se/gallery/Pictures/338_2/PICT0367.JPG

Anything less then this will simply not due!!!:stickoutt

Wow... I've never seen that thing without the bumper. I knew the ic was wide, but it's damn thick too!! :eyecrazy

The intercooler I am using currently is a 28x9x2 (core is 9x20). it fits behind the stock non-M bumber and clears the aux fan. Most will probably say this is too small too though. :stickoutt

Is that a tube and fin IC and what are the outlet sizes? I think I have the same one in my garage.

Also, quick question. What material are your turbo to manifold locking nuts, steel or...?

any updates?

ditto

"production" charge pipes being mocked up this coming week (hopefully.) so should have those available shortly. (after a bunch of testing, and tweaking of course.)

I might go ahead and jig up the exhaust as well. 3 inch turbo back. I'll probably offer it as a "transmission back" setup as well to accomodate various turbos and turbo kits. (start it next to the transmission where most down pipes end.) All stainless of course. The real question will be number of silencing devices, their size, etc...

ttt for Techno, viva la revolution!

I want mine stealthy quiet.

What about cats?

sounds good. when do you think a final kit would be available and at what price?

Final kit timeline is up in the air at the moment... as is the price. A lot of that depends on what the "kit" includes.

Final kit timeline is up in the air at the moment... as is the price. A lot of that depends on what the "kit" includes.


Gotcha

bump

is the kit going to include tuning? :devillook

it might include tuning. For kits, OBD-I tuning will at least be an option. OBD-II tuning still *unavailable/in the works*.
Still working on the pipes and other "small" items.

mike, is this going to be a kit where you give us the different options on certain pieces so that we can go with sumething a little more, like on the manifold, wastegate, intercooler etc? and we'll just piece it together like that?

or will it be a base kit with "extras" that you can upgrade or add on?

mike, is this going to be a kit where you give us the different options on certain pieces so that we can go with sumething a little more, like on the manifold, wastegate, intercooler etc? and we'll just piece it together like that?

or will it be a base kit with "extras" that you can upgrade or add on?
So you want a kit with lots of different options to go with a little more and tuning. Hmmm... Sounds like a money maker for the developer LOL

Mike, you need to do what Dell/HP/Compaq does with their computers.

Have a website where you get a base setup, have drop downs that allows you to add a bigger turbo, larger injectors, and so on. Have the site calculate the price and continue from there. Checks and balances would help make sure everything is compatible.

So you want a kit with lots of different options to go with a little more and tuning. Hmmm... Sounds like a money maker for the developer LOL

it was a question.

Oh, and I want all of my piping candy striped, too! :)

Does Techno 550 have a website i am really interested in the results.

I think he stated above that everything is in development right now so nothing is concrete just yet. You guys will just have to hold your horses and wait.

Oh, and I want all of my piping candy striped, too! :)


i could powdercoat it like that :devillook :lol

I understand but does he have a website in general?

I understand but does he have a website in general?

Not a functional one at present. The last few contracted updates didn't happen as planned.

Hopefully it will be back up soon.

Definilty intrested in the kit. Im in the process one helping a fellow member on the board with his turbo set up and im learning more and more each day which makes it an easier DIY project. Keep us posted!!

possible to offer intercoolers similar to this? :D

possible to offer intercoolers similar to this? :D

Offer? sure. It'll be "a little more" than the standard intercooler though. :stickoutt

you, sir, are the man.

I'd trust whatever you think would be best. I know the tuning you have put into your car and I definately trust your number crunching skills. In a few years I'll definately be calling you to turbo my car.

Does anybody know anyone that lives in Las Vegas or around that has done some tuning?? or am i the only m3 that will be boosting in Sin City????

Does anybody know anyone that lives in Las Vegas or around that has done some tuning?? or am i the only m3 that will be boosting in Sin City????
Well, when I get back, I'll be working on my 95' 330i, so really, no, you won't be the only boosted M3 in Sin City. Well, I guess technically, but who cares about semantics. As far as tuning goes, I am worried about that too. I can do all the assembly and such, and I know a couple decent machine shops for the block and head work, but tuning is a whole 'nother story. Let me know if you find anything.
-Tim

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Its been a little while. Any word on how the kit is going?

Its been a little while. Any word on how the kit is going?
Read this thread (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600217) and you will be happy! :wave

Thanks. Im very excited now.